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Rate (1-10) these modern era wicket-keepers in terms of keeping skills

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Quinton de Kock
BJ Watling
Tim Paine
Jos Buttler
Wridhiman Saha
Sarfaraz Ahmed

Anyone else. Discuss!
 
Quinton de Kock 7
BJ Watling 8
Tim Paine 9
Jos Buttler 5
Wridhiman Saha 8
Sarfaraz Ahmed 6

Paine's the best in the world for me right now, whereas there's not much to separate between Watling and Saha.
 
Last Monetarist said:
Quinton de Kock 7
BJ Watling 8
Tim Paine 9
Jos Buttler 5
Wridhiman Saha 8
Sarfaraz Ahmed 6

Paine's the best in the world for me right now, whereas there's not much to separate between Watling and Saha.
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I kinda agree with this. Saha is best against spinners while Paine against fast bowlers.
 
Last Monetarist said:
Quinton de Kock 7
BJ Watling 8
Tim Paine 9
Jos Buttler 5
Wridhiman Saha 8
Sarfaraz Ahmed 6

Paine's the best in the world for me right now, whereas there's not much to separate between Watling and Saha.
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You don't think QdK is on the same level as Watling?
 
Saha's batting may be mediocre but he is a brilliant keeper, one of the greatest ever IMO.

Quinton de Kock 7
BJ Watling 8
Tim Paine 8.5
Jos Buttler 6
Wridhiman Saha 9.5
Sarfaraz Ahmed 7.5
 
Healy, Latif and Saha are the best pure keepers I have seen live. Have watched Saha the most out of these three, some of the catches he takes, other keepers won't come anywhere near the ball and he hardly ever misses.

Boucher was untested against quality spinners, so he is behind these 3. Same with Prasanna Jayawardene who was untested against quality quicks.

Few other fine keepers but not in my tier 1.
 
Quinton de Kock - 7
BJ Watling - 7
Tim Paine - 8
Jos Buttler - 6
Wridhiman Saha - 9
Sarfaraz Ahmed - 6
 
Pant is a huge downgrade on Saha though for India

his keeping is so untidy
 
Peak Sarfu was a pretty good keeper, wish he had taken fitness more seriously. Keeper must be one of the fittest persons on the field, cat like and agile, not a sloth.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Healy, Latif and Saha are the best pure keepers I have seen live. Have watched Saha the most out of these three, some of the catches he takes, other keepers won't come anywhere near the ball and he hardly ever misses.
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I didnt see Healy but I would agree with the other 2 for sure. England's Chris Read was also really really good and on that level. Boucher was not as agile as these but he also had negligible mistakes and was very clean.

One keeper who probably no one would name but I would put up there in terms of keeping ability is Adnan Akmal.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Peak Sarfu was a pretty good keeper, wish he had taken fitness more seriously. Keeper must be one of the fittest persons on the field, cat like and agile, not a sloth.
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tbh even in his peak where he was in confidence and averaging 50 with the bat he was not the cleanest keeper.

The one good thing about his is that he doesnt miss many catches or stumping opportunities so his errors dont stick in the mind as much. but he is very messy and missed deliveries leading to extras etc and most certainly wouldnt take amazing catches etc.

For Pakistani fans we had a diet of Kamran Akmal being absolutely terrible for good 3-4 years so just having a keeper who doesnt have howlers was a huge upgrade. And obv his batting was really good at start so it was no brainer with Adnan Akmal
 
This list is incomplete without our wonder boy Rishabh Pant.

Quinton de Kock 7
BJ Watling 7.5
Tim Paine 8
Jos Buttler 5.5
Wridhiman Saha 9
Sarfaraz Ahmed 6.5
Mushfiqar Rahim 7.25
Pant 3.25

:inti
 
The OP loses credibility when you find Sarfraz Ahmed is on the list even though he isn't the first team wicket-keeper for Pakistan anymore.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
This list is incomplete without our wonder boy Rishabh Pant.

Quinton de Kock 7
BJ Watling 7.5
Tim Paine 8
Jos Buttler 5.5
Wridhiman Saha 9
Sarfaraz Ahmed 6.5
Mushfiqar Rahim 7.25
Pant 3.25

:inti
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You are spot on there, brother. Pant's keeping is as comical as Chris Martin's batting.
 
Slog said:
Quinton de Kock - 7
BJ Watling - 7
Tim Paine - 8
Jos Buttler - 6
Wridhiman Saha - 9
Sarfaraz Ahmed - 6
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Agree with this rating.

As for you're mention of Adnan, I'd agree there too as he was decent behind the stumps in the few games he played for Pakistan.
 
Overall,

Paine > Watling > Saha >de Kock > Buttler > Sarfraz

When keeping to spinner, Saha is comfortably ahead of everyone and Sarfraz is good as well.
 
It is Very easy to determine who are the top wicketkeepers.
Dismissals per innings is the most important criteria for any keeper, dont give a rats about opinions based on rumours spread by the dhoni pr mafia.

Dismissals per innings for various wicketkeepers in tests.

Ms dhoni 1.771
Bj watling 2.042
Wriddhiman saha 1.471 :yk
Sarfaraz ahmed 1.776
Bairstow 2.066
Jos butler 1.634

The worst wktkeeper
Rishabh pant- 2.346

Posters who actually watch test matches know that pant is a very good wicketkeeper away from home, he isn great against spin but he plays only away from home and he does that job perfectly.

I agree that this stat is not the only thing which determines how good a wicketkeeper is but still its important.

I don't remember the last time when he lost us a test match coz of his wktkeeping.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
It is Very easy to determine who are the top wicketkeepers.
Dismissals per innings is the most important criteria for any keeper, dont give a rats about opinions based on rumours spread by the dhoni pr mafia.

Dismissals per innings for various wicketkeepers in tests.

Ms dhoni 1.771
Bj watling 2.042
Wriddhiman saha 1.471 :yk
Sarfaraz ahmed 1.776
Bairstow 2.066
Jos butler 1.634

The worst wktkeeper
Rishabh pant- 2.346

Posters who actually watch test matches know that pant is a very good wicketkeeper away from home, he isn great against spin but he plays only away from home and he does that job perfectly.

I agree that this stat is not the only thing which determines how good a wicketkeeper is but still its important.

I don't remember the last time when he lost us a test match coz of his wktkeeping.
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I agree he isnt as bad as people make it to be,but those stats are misleading.No way he's better than Saha

But coupled with batting he is an exciting package.Already two away tons at such young age vs quality bowlers
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
It is Very easy to determine who are the top wicketkeepers.
Dismissals per innings is the most important criteria for any keeper, dont give a rats about opinions based on rumours spread by the dhoni pr mafia.
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Dismissals per innings is perhaps the worst possible metric to judge the quality of a keeper. It gives you pretty much no useful information given it's far more dependant on the bowlers, conditions and what kind of dismissals those 2 factors tend to result to.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
It is Very easy to determine who are the top wicketkeepers.
Dismissals per innings is the most important criteria for any keeper, dont give a rats about opinions based on rumours spread by the dhoni pr mafia.

Dismissals per innings for various wicketkeepers in tests.

Ms dhoni 1.771
Bj watling 2.042
Wriddhiman saha 1.471 :yk
Sarfaraz ahmed 1.776
Bairstow 2.066
Jos butler 1.634

The worst wktkeeper
Rishabh pant- 2.346

Posters who actually watch test matches know that pant is a very good wicketkeeper away from home, he isn great against spin but he plays only away from home and he does that job perfectly.

I agree that this stat is not the only thing which determines how good a wicketkeeper is but still its important.

I don't remember the last time when he lost us a test match coz of his wktkeeping.
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dismissal per innings is a terrible metric to use
 
Btw The greatest wicketkeeper ever Mohindra singh doni has the highest number of dropped catches in the history of cricket. :yk
66 to be precise
 
I think Mohammad Rizwan is pretty decent too.
 
Slog said:
I didnt see Healy but I would agree with the other 2 for sure. England's Chris Read was also really really good and on that level. Boucher was not as agile as these but he also had negligible mistakes and was very clean.

One keeper who probably no one would name but I would put up there in terms of keeping ability is Adnan Akmal.
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I didn't follow Read's career (England of that era wasn't my cup of tea), but have read a lot of praise about his keeping.

Adnan Akmal is an interesting candidate.
 
Dismissals per innings is an illogical method to judge keepers. Only way Parthiv Patel can look remarkable.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
It is Very easy to determine who are the top wicketkeepers.
Dismissals per innings is the most important criteria for any keeper, dont give a rats about opinions based on rumours spread by the dhoni pr mafia.

Dismissals per innings for various wicketkeepers in tests.

Ms dhoni 1.771
Bj watling 2.042
Wriddhiman saha 1.471 :yk
Sarfaraz ahmed 1.776
Bairstow 2.066
Jos butler 1.634

The worst wktkeeper
Rishabh pant- 2.346

Posters who actually watch test matches know that pant is a very good wicketkeeper away from home, he isn great against spin but he plays only away from home and he does that job perfectly.

I agree that this stat is not the only thing which determines how good a wicketkeeper is but still its important.

I don't remember the last time when he lost us a test match coz of his wktkeeping.
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I can only lol @ dismissals per innings. Kahan se aate hai yeh log. :inti
 
Quinton de Kock 7

BJ Watling 8

Tim Paine 8

Jos Buttler 5

Wridhiman Saha 10

Sarfaraz Ahmed
 
Swashbuckler said:
I didn't follow Read's career (England of that era wasn't my cup of tea), but have read a lot of praise about his keeping.

Adnan Akmal is an interesting candidate.
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When i hear the words England and Wicketkeeping, I only think of James Foster. He was the best of the best! Sadly he wasnt given a fair chance for England.

Adnan could be the second best keeper Pakistan has ever produced after Rashid. His batting wasn't good enough to be persisted with.
 
gazza619 said:
When i hear the words England and Wicketkeeping, I only think of James Foster. He was the best of the best! Sadly he wasnt given a fair chance for England.

Adnan could be the second best keeper Pakistan has ever produced after Rashid. His batting wasn't good enough to be persisted with.
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Wasim Bari?
 
Ab Fan said:
I think Paine is also up there. What about Qdk and Watling as keepers?
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As pure keepers no way. saha is brilliant against spin and the way hekept in that pink ball test was unbelievably good. Don't think any of these 3 can matchhim. QDK is the best batsman though and BJ is the crisis man. Tim paine doesn't deserve to play in that team.
 
Quinton de Kock: Pace - 8 spin - 4; weighted average around 6.5
BJ Watling: 8.5, 6: 8
Tim Paine: 9, 7: 8.5
Jos Buttler: 5, 0: 4 (basically part timers like Abid or Kayes or KL can out keep him against spin)
Wridhiman Saha: 8.5, 9.5: 8.75 (Best contemporary glovesman)
Sarfaraz Ahmed: 6, 7.5: 6.5
 
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MMHS said:
Quinton de Kock: Pace - 8 spin - 4; weighted average around 6.5
BJ Watling: 8.5, 6: 8
Tim Paine: 9, 7: 8.5
Jos Buttler: 5, 0: 4 (basically part timers like Abid or Kayes or KL can out keep him against spin)
Wridhiman Saha: 8.5, 9.5: 8.75 (Best contemporary glovesman)
Sarfaraz Ahmed: 6, 7.5: 6.5
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Or I should say Kock slightly better than Sarfraz, May be 6.75-7, because he keeps for an attack dominated by pace.
 
MMHS said:
Quinton de Kock: Pace - 8 spin - 4; weighted average around 6.5
BJ Watling: 8.5, 6: 8
Tim Paine: 9, 7: 8.5
Jos Buttler: 5, 0: 4 (basically part timers like Abid or Kayes or KL can out keep him against spin)
Wridhiman Saha: 8.5, 9.5: 8.75 (Best contemporary glovesman)
Sarfaraz Ahmed: 6, 7.5: 6.5
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Rizwan?

I'd say Adnan Akmal is one of the best.
 
MMHS said:
Quinton de Kock: Pace - 8 spin - 4; weighted average around 6.5
BJ Watling: 8.5, 6: 8
Tim Paine: 9, 7: 8.5
Jos Buttler: 5, 0: 4 (basically part timers like Abid or Kayes or KL can out keep him against spin)
Wridhiman Saha: 8.5, 9.5: 8.75 (Best contemporary glovesman)
Sarfaraz Ahmed: 6, 7.5: 6.5
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Like always, I agree with your rating [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION].

What's your take on Sangakkara, de Villiers and Flower? Don't think they were great keepers.
 
I haven't paid a lot of attention to wicket keeping in recent times but i can safely say there are only a handful of pure wicketkeepers in world cricket today.

The damage that Adam Gilchrist has done to wicket keeping is sadly irreversible.

Every one is talking about Saha or Paine here and rightly so. They are a dying breed of pure wicket keepers.

Rest are all batters/sloggers who can keep a bit.
 
Ab Fan said:
Like always, I agree with your rating [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION].

What's your take on Sangakkara, de Villiers and Flower? Don't think they were great keepers.
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Each better WK than Josh Buttler, but probably inferior to Sarfraz. They were batsmen first - just like wicket keeping affects adversely on batting, it’s true other way also - each one would have been better specialist WK had they not been main batsman for their team.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Rizwan?

I'd say Adnan Akmal is one of the best.
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Adnan definitely is the best glovesman from PAK since Latif; but not sure how good he is now at official 35.

I think, Rizwan is fitter than Sarfraz which pays off in long run for a Test WK, but he is not overall that better a WK. Sarfraz became complacent with his keeping being captain, hence he declined considerably, but now if given chance I believe he will keep better.

PAK should stick with Rizwan to make a point - so that players don’t take their spot as guaranteed, something cost Kamran big time. Sarfraz must complete the full cycle, age permitting to make a come back - that’s improve fitness, play in domestics, perform and show distinctive improvement from the point he was dropped and finally Rizwan has to perform poorly to be dropped.
 
I dont follow the game as much these days owing to work, so some of these new guys - I have not seen enough footage to truly judge . But Knott is the best keeper I have ever seen, then Bari, Marsh, then Healy.
 
MMHS said:
Adnan definitely is the best glovesman from PAK since Latif; but not sure how good he is now at official 35.

I think, Rizwan is fitter than Sarfraz which pays off in long run for a Test WK, but he is not overall that better a WK. Sarfraz became complacent with his keeping being captain, hence he declined considerably, but now if given chance I believe he will keep better.

PAK should stick with Rizwan to make a point - so that players don’t take their spot as guaranteed, something cost Kamran big time. Sarfraz must complete the full cycle, age permitting to make a come back - that’s improve fitness, play in domestics, perform and show distinctive improvement from the point he was dropped and finally Rizwan has to perform poorly to be dropped.
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I think Sarfaraz should never play again for Pakistan.

If Rizwan fails, Rohail should play. And next in line is Mohammed Haris. The only wicket keeper batsman who can power hit.
 
Bullet Drive said:
I think Sarfaraz should never play again for Pakistan.

If Rizwan fails, Rohail should play. And next in line is Mohammed Haris. The only wicket keeper batsman who can power hit.
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Am looking forward to Haris in future
 
Bullet Drive said:
I think Sarfaraz should never play again for Pakistan.

If Rizwan fails, Rohail should play. And next in line is Mohammed Haris. The only wicket keeper batsman who can power hit.
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That should be the case, but you can’t say that. Otherwise, there won’t be any motivation for players to improve once dropped after the age of 30 and it’ll negatively impact the standards of domestic cricket. These players are experienced enough to float around domestic circuits for ages, but they’ll keep blocking youngsters without adding much quality. Unless a player is retired officially, you must keep his National door open, but selectors must use their good judgment- an aged senior must be performing significantly better than a potential youngster to get a recall. At present, it’s happening opposite - Misbah is promoting 35+ players with a 20% discount over a younger player.
 
No one has mentioned Saleem Yousuf. I haven't seen him keep but have heard people claim he was the best Pakistan had produced.

Also does anyone remember that bloke - Zulqarnain Haider? Cant remember if he was any good. Remember that he played one gutsy inning before his "escape"
 
NoBallZombie said:
No one has mentioned Saleem Yousuf. I haven't seen him keep but have heard people claim he was the best Pakistan had produced.

Also does anyone remember that bloke - Zulqarnain Haider? Cant remember if he was any good. Remember that he played one gutsy inning before his "escape"
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Saleem Yousuf was not an exceptional keeper but Imran liked him because Yousuf was truly a team man and would bat well under pressure , when team would need him.
 
Bullet Drive said:
I think Sarfaraz should never play again for Pakistan.

If Rizwan fails, Rohail should play. And next in line is Mohammed Haris. The only wicket keeper batsman who can power hit.
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I liked Rohail a lot but when I saw Harris, found him better prospect , although underrates , than Rohail. Harris is a better batsman, particularly under pressure with much better SR and unlike Rohail can hit big shots, certainly better WB cricketer than Rphail.
 
moghul said:
I liked Rohail a lot but when I saw Harris, found him better prospect , although underrates , than Rohail. Harris is a better batsman, particularly under pressure with much better SR and unlike Rohail can hit big shots, certainly better WB cricketer than Rphail.
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Yes. He is amazing.
 
A fantastic wicket-keeping performance by Rizwan today. Ball wobbling, extra bounce from the spinners, coming up to the stumps for Abbas. He handled it all perfectly, didn't put a foot wrong.

Does he deserve to be talked about among the Paine's, Saha's, Watling's etc as the best in world cricket?
 
Pant is certainly a downgrade from Saha, im sure kaptaan kohli has this back of his mind. Needs to develop in next to years or else stick to IPL.
 
Firebat said:
A fantastic wicket-keeping performance by Rizwan today. Ball wobbling, extra bounce from the spinners, coming up to the stumps for Abbas. He handled it all perfectly, didn't put a foot wrong.

Does he deserve to be talked about among the Paine's, Saha's, Watling's etc as the best in world cricket?
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He defo looks the part maybe after the series we can decide this
 
Rizwan's keeping was of very high class today, he has potential to become the best Pakistani keeper since Bari.
 
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