Ravi Shastri under fire after Test series defeat in England

[MenInG]

India coach Ravi Shastri has come under fire for his side's humiliating 4-1 Test series loss to England - a second consecutive away defeat for the world's top-ranked side.

The thrashing in England, following the loss in South Africa earlier this year, piles pressure on Shastri ahead of a tour to Australia in November and next year's World Cup - as well as a massive clash with arch-rivals Pakistan next week.

Critics and former captains have rounded on the coach, particularly for his mid-series claim that his team is the best to come out of India in 15 years.

'India had their moments but the scorecards say 4-1 and India weren't as good as they should have been, said noted commentator Harsha Bhogle. 'This is two overseas disappointments in a row now.

Prior to the final Test at the Oval - which India lost by 118 runs - Shastri had raised eyebrows with lavish praise for his side. 'If you look at the last three years, we have won nine matches overseas and three series. I can't see any other Indian team in the last 15-20 years that has had the same run in such a short time, he said.

India have won two recent series in Sri Lanka and one in the West Indies. But his comments rankled former star players.
Sourav Ganguly, who was part of the committee that appointed Shastri last year, dismissed the coach's claims as 'immature, telling Indian television Shastri must improve the team.

Sunil Gavaskar pointed out that Indian teams of the 1980s had won series in England and the West Indies - as well as a series victory in England as recently as 2007.

'The best travelling teams are made by performances on the ground and not by sitting in the dressing room and talking about it, added former Test opener Virender Sehwag.

Captain Virat Kohli leapt to his coach's defence following the final Test on Tuesday.

Asked about Shastri's pre-match comments, Kohli said: 'We have to believe we are the best side, why not?

In a tetchy exchange, Kohli turned the question on a journalist, who responded 'I am not sure. Kohli hit back: 'You're not sure. That is your opinion. Thank you.

Shastri now has to immediately lift the side for the six-nation Asia Cup starting in the United Arab Emirates on Saturday - without the brilliant Kohli, who is being rested.

The whole country will be watching as they take on arch-rivals Pakistan on September 19, with Rohit Sharma to lead the side throughout the 50-over contest. India then have two Tests at home to West Indies before four Tests in Australia.

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[Varun]

Shastri calls for the BCCI to organise warm-up games before Australia series

India head coach Ravi Shastri on Friday called for the BCCI to organise a couple of warm-up games before they begin their series against Australia on December 6.

India had just one warm-up match-against Essex before the start of the England series. Shastri asked the board to put in place a schedule which would help the team get acquainted with the conditions.

Stressing that he wasn’t against practice matches, Shastri as quoted by The Indian Express, said, “Why would we be? You can only see the results (in the England Tests). Every time after the second Test we have improved. You can still get better. But why can’t we be in that position in the first Test match?”
He also highlighted the fact that such plans might turn out be an impediment for the team in case of a packed tight international schedule.

“If you have two or three games against weaker sides we don’t mind because it is a game,” he said.

He further added, “But when you have a schedule as tight as this and when you have a memorandum of understanding that has already been formulated, with a choc-a-bloc calendar, there is very little you can do. Now, we have requested for a couple of (warm-up) games in Australia before the Test series. But is there space (to play those matches)? That is the question.”

He also said that it was ideal for two-three four day matches before a Test series.

“Ideally we would want two three- or four-day games before a Test series.

But do you have the time? For example, we have a T20 series in Australia preceding the Test series. There is a 10-day gap before the first Test. These are things that have been approved earlier. It is not in our control.”

Shastri further added that he was unfazed by the criticism which he faced after India lost the Test series to England by a 4-1 margin.

“I head back home with a very positive state of mind. I know exactly what we do. I know exactly and clearly where the team is heading – it is heading in the right direction,” he said.

“People are entitled to their opinions. As long as we know the job we are doing and we are honest to our jobs, as long as support staff we are helping players channelise their energies in the right direction, we are not worried about what critics say.”

https://www.thelivemirror.com/shastri-calls-bcci-organise-warm-games-australia-series/

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The whole country will be watching as they take on arch-rivals Pakistan on September 19, with Rohit Sharma to lead the side throughout the 50-over contest.

Is it true? Some fans here claim that nobody in India cares about Ind vs Pak anymore and here we are talking about whole country waiting for an Ind vs Pak match? Which version is true?

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Is it true? Some fans here claim that nobody in India cares about Ind vs Pak anymore and here we are talking about whole country waiting for an Ind vs Pak match? Which version is true?

Its the view point of the newspaper and not as if Shastri himself have said that whole country is waiting. Pak players giving comments left and righy, like Faheem said every young cricketer dream to plag against Ind, Hasan Ali said I would hv loved to pick Kohli wicket etc etc. I am sure I am missing more.

Not a single comment yet from any Indian players.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its the view point of the newspaper and not as if Shastri himself have said that whole country is waiting. Pak players giving comments left and righy, like Faheem said every young cricketer dream to plag against Ind, Hasan Ali said I would hv loved to pick Kohli wicket etc etc. I am sure I am missing more.

Not a single comment yet from any Indian players.

Pakistan is not a priority in Indian cricket. We have not played a test series for 11yrs and most likely wont play for couple of more years.

Pakistani players are not part of the IPL.

We play may be 1 or 2 ODIs in Asia cup or ICC tournament. So there is hardly any connection.

Ofcourse the newspaper which is based in the gulf may have a different opinion.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan is not a priority in Indian cricket. We have not played a test series for 11yrs and most likely wont play for couple of more years.

Pakistani players are not part of the IPL.

We play may be 1 or 2 ODIs in Asia cup or ICC tournament. So there is hardly any connection.

Ofcourse the newspaper which is based in the gulf may have a different opinion.

Sir, it's not about Pakistan is a priority or not. It's about how many fans are going to watch this match?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Its the view point of the newspaper and not as if Shastri himself have said that whole country is waiting. Pak players giving comments left and righy, like Faheem said every young cricketer dream to plag against Ind, Hasan Ali said I would hv loved to pick Kohli wicket etc etc. I am sure I am missing more.

Not a single comment yet from any Indian players.

May be you are new to sports but this is quite normal. Players do give interviews before the matches in every sport. You can't expect indian players to give interviews from England during a series. Once they reach UAE and our media will also start asking questions you will see their statements too. Just wait and watch.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

May be you are new to sports but this is quite normal. Players do give interviews before the matches in every sport. You can't expect indian players to give interviews from England during a series. Once they reach UAE and our media will also start asking questions you will see their statements too. Just wait and watch.

More than Half the players playing Asia cup was not in the test team in Eng.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

More than Half the players playing Asia cup was not in the test team in Eng.

They were not in UAE either.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

They were not in UAE either.

Pak players reached UAE 2 days ago...but they were giving comments about India game since a month. Atleast that is what I read here in PP.

 

[Aman]

1-4 to the weakest England team in almost a decade?

 

[asadee]

Not his fault India lost the toss

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pak players reached UAE 2 days ago...but they were giving comments about India game since a month. Atleast that is what I read here in PP.

Because that is Pakistan's next cricket assignment whereas we were busy playing in England.

 

[ChuckLee]

Is it true? Some fans here claim that nobody in India cares about Ind vs Pak anymore and here we are talking about whole country waiting for an Ind vs Pak match? Which version is true?

See you say this. But viewership, search engine traffic and social media analytics say other wise.

You can pretend all you like, but you care.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Because that is Pakistan's next cricket assignment whereas we were busy playing in England.

No but most of the players were not a part of test team like Rohit Sharma, MSD,Rayudu etc. So their next assignment was also Asia cup but not a single comment about Pak game from anyone. Even young players like Chahal etc didnt made any comment. On the other hand, Pak players dream of playing against Ind was aparent from regular comments. So its obvious which team is more desperate and how much importance Indian players give to Pak game.

 

[the Great Khan]

No but most of the players were not a part of test team like Rohit Sharma, MSD,Rayudu etc. So their next assignment was also Asia cup but not a single comment about Pak game from anyone. Even young players like Chahal etc didnt made any comment. On the other hand, Pak players dream of playing against Ind was aparent from regular comments. So its obvious which team is more desperate and how much importance Indian players give to Pak game.

yes you keep telling yourself that. Pakistani players are asked about India alot when they play against them, its natural. Its our first match against you after the beating in the CT final.

But dont tell me the Indian public dont care. Inside and deep down you want to make us eat dirt..you know it and i KNOW IT..so dont try to deny it..

 

[Robert]

1-4 to the weakest England team in almost a decade?

Weakest batting. Arguably the strongest seam/swing array in that time.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

yes you keep telling yourself that. Pakistani players are asked about India alot when they play against them, its natural. Its our first match against you after the beating in the CT final.

But dont tell me the Indian public dont care. Inside and deep down you want to make us eat dirt..you know it and i KNOW IT..so dont try to deny it..

Ofcourse they speak about India when media asks, but the fact that your media cant stop talking about India is a testimony of being obsessed. All the interviews I read here, there were 2 constant questions - about Asia cup game vs India and about Kohli's absence.

You will never see these sort of obsession amongst Indian fans/players/media. Even if you go to Indian forums, there are hardly any asia cup discussions. And this has nothing to do with CT Final. Pak players give big statements before all IndoPak games.

 

[Pete Rose]

While I do agree with the gist of what Shastri said, it’s not an argument he should be making publicly.
As for not prioritizing not caring vs Pakistan, it won’t matter if they lose to Pakistan.
For wait it’s worth, I think they have a very strong line up for the Asia cup, but you can’t replace a guy who has a career average of 90 when batting second.

 

[Pete Rose]

You will never see these sort of obsession amongst Indian fans/players/media. Even if you go to Indian forums, there are hardly any asia cup discussions. And this has nothing to do with CT Final. Pak players give big statements before all IndoPak games.

Shouldn’t matter, as long as they keep winning. For most of the last decade Pakistan has lost more often than won the big games vs India. They do have a better team to challenge India now though.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Shouldn’t matter, as long as they keep winning. For most of the last decade Pakistan has lost more often than won the big games vs India. They do have a better team to challenge India now though.

Yes agree completely. Pak removed all dead woods and selected younger and hungry players. On the other hand, we are just recycling TTFs

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sir, it's not about Pakistan is a priority or not. It's about how many fans are going to watch this match?

Pakistan isnt a priority. Neither do most fans care else Bcci would play triangulars or quadrangulars as they did in 90s.

A gulf based newspaper knows so much about indian fans. Lol.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Two back to back series losses, with questionable selections across both the series, both the captain and coach deserve to be grilled.

Problem though is the CoA has destroyed accountability in Indian cricket to the extent that they would do some media management, order an enquiry and it will be back to business as usual.

 

[cricketjoshila]

yes you keep telling yourself that. Pakistani players are asked about India alot when they play against them, its natural. Its our first match against you after the beating in the CT final.

But dont tell me the Indian public dont care. Inside and deep down you want to make us eat dirt..you know it and i KNOW IT..so dont try to deny it..

You guys are obsessed about that CT final. We are not.

We want India to beat all teams in every match. But most fans would likely take a test series win in a SENA country than any Odi victory over Pakistan.

Its hilarious how you demand that Indians fan acknowledge that they care. Well they dont. I seriously do not understand this feeling of entitlement.

 

[cricketjoshila]

1-4 to the weakest England team in almost a decade?

Its a travesty he hasnt been sacked.

 

[khan991]

You guys are obsessed about that CT final. We are not.

We want India to beat all teams in every match. But most fans would likely take a test series win in a SENA country than any Odi victory over Pakistan.

Its hilarious how you demand that Indians fan acknowledge that they care. Well they dont. I seriously do not understand this feeling of entitlement.

If you didnt care about pak team you wouldnt be on this forum lol. I know you will skip all the matches except pakistans vs india.

 

[MenInG]

Its a travesty he hasnt been sacked.

Fact is he does VK's bidding - he cannot be stronger than Kohli so Kohli needs to stand up and take blame also

 

[Pete Rose]

Two back to back series losses, with questionable selections across both the series, both the captain and coach deserve to be grilled.

Problem though is the CoA has destroyed accountability in Indian cricket to the extent that they would do some media management, order an enquiry and it will be back to business as usual.

I don’t know boss. Reading here on PP and listening to some ex-players, there is this consensus that somehow ‘it’s indias time to win abroad’. But that means completely ignoring India’s test history of poor performances when traveling (of course that’s not unique to India ; it’s the same for Pakistan). Btw I do think India has a real shot at beating Australia if the bowlers continue as they did in England and Kohli is supported consistently by two more batsmen. But what shatri says is not wrong, India have won quite a few sporadic games in the tougher countries and they are now often in winning positions than they used to be in the past.
Seems like the critics are driven by undue high expectations

 

[RamLakhan]

Shastri's exit is dependent on Kohli... He needs to call it!

 

[Realromeo]

Everyone is looking for a scapegoat, what was India's record when we last toured Australia and England with different coaches ? Exactly. Agree you aren't good enough in these conditions and move on.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Fact is he does VK's bidding - he cannot be stronger than Kohli so Kohli needs to stand up and take blame also

Absolutely. No doubt about this. Thats why you see Kohli jumping to his defence.

Kohli needs to be told that his personal success doesnot mean he has a carte blanche to run the team. He can be and should be sacked.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Everyone is looking for a scapegoat, what was India's record when we last toured Australia and England with different coaches ? Exactly. Agree you aren't good enough in these conditions and move on.

Who was the team director when we last toured Aus?

 

[MenInG]

Absolutely. No doubt about this. Thats why you see Kohli jumping to his defence.

Kohli needs to be told that his personal success doesnot mean he has a carte blanche to run the team. He can be and should be sacked.

no one needs to be sacked imo. If the chemistry between coach and captain is good they should move on

 

[cricketjoshila]

no one needs to be sacked imo. If the chemistry between coach and captain is good they should move on

The rest of the team isnt very happy with this chemistry.Atleast thats what one hears.

PS: Are you travelling to Dubai for the match?

 

[MMHS]

I thought, he should be not under, rather over fire.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Pakistan isnt a priority. Neither do most fans care else Bcci would play triangulars or quadrangulars as they did in 90s.

A gulf based newspaper knows so much about indian fans. Lol.

CT final was the 3rd most watched game in the history of cricket and here some random posters claim that fans don’t care about India-Pakistan match.

Oh and BTW, what happened to India not playing Pakistan due to restrictions from GOI and not BCCI?

 

[Snowflake]

Pakistan isnt a priority. Neither do most fans care else Bcci would play triangulars or quadrangulars as they did in 90s.

A gulf based newspaper knows so much about indian fans. Lol.

Yep, keep repeating that till you actually start believing it )

I wonder why Pak vs Ind matches are the first to sell-out, be it at the Asia Cup, CT or the WC? Who are all these people buying the tickets if 'most fans don't care'? Who are all these people generating record viewership/ratings on TV for these matches? Is it just the Pakistani market?

Apnay aap ko khush kernay k liye one-way rivalry with England/Aus ) Those two wouldn't give two hoots about you if it wasn't for the revenue that your team brings in. All that matters to them is the Ashes, in terms of cricketing rivalry.

 

[the Great Khan]

Ofcourse they speak about India when media asks, but the fact that your media cant stop talking about India is a testimony of being obsessed. All the interviews I read here, there were 2 constant questions - about Asia cup game vs India and about Kohli's absence.

You will never see these sort of obsession amongst Indian fans/players/media. Even if you go to Indian forums, there are hardly any asia cup discussions. And this has nothing to do with CT Final. Pak players give big statements before all IndoPak games.

And yet your here on this forum. If your saying there isnt any interest then lets see what the viewing figures will be by the end of the match..

 

[InziRules]

And yet your here on this forum. If your saying there isnt any interest then lets see what the viewing figures will be by the end of the match..

I always find it hilarious to see Indians posting on a Pakistan forum saying they don't care about Pakistan.

Like, why are you here then? )

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Absolutely. No doubt about this. Thats why you see Kohli jumping to his defence.

Kohli needs to be told that his personal success doesnot mean he has a carte blanche to run the team. He can be and should be sacked.

Word. Shastri/Kohli have some nerve asking BCCI for warmups as if BCCI never offered them before SA series. Kohli even had the audacity to claim that there is no need for warmups. Should be sacked just for that.

 

[BaankeJi]

India vs Pakistan still generates a lot of viewership. But I dare say, the interest has been on decline.
Still a top draw though.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Shastri is a yes man of Kohli.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

See you say this. But viewership, search engine traffic and social media analytics say other wise.

You can pretend all you like, but you care.

I don't have to pretend I do care about Ind vs Pak matches and waiting eagerly for the upcoming matches.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan isnt a priority. Neither do most fans care else Bcci would play triangulars or quadrangulars as they did in 90s.

A gulf based newspaper knows so much about indian fans. Lol.

Who chose you as the representative of indian fans here on PP?

 

[Darkrai]

Pakistan isnt a priority. Neither do most fans care else Bcci would play triangulars or quadrangulars as they did in 90s.

A gulf based newspaper knows so much about indian fans. Lol.

Indian fans don't care? I sure was fooled by these videos then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8fl4A1sLEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E3-amorpz8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dy2gtd-4KE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi9Qb4JadHA

 

[Hasan123]

Shastri should be sacked as coach. Don't understand what tatcial knowledge he is bringing to the table and any improvement in players I seriously doubt is due to him.

 

[Saksham]

Actually the problem with Ravi Shastri is he looks completely disinterested when he is sitting in the dressing room. You can't expect such kind of behaviour from a top level international coach. I can never imagine Trevor Bayliss and Mickey Arthur doing something like this ever.

In the 1st test match between India and England he was literally sleeping when Harbhajan Singh was on the commentary box. He is just there to boost the confidence of players but I don't think he has the technical expertise. Fans also know how Anil Kumble was literally removed from the coaching job. Maybe there were some issues between Kohli and Kumble but they could have sorted out amicably.

Because when you are in a dressing room there is bound to be difference of opinion but everybody wants to contribute towards the team. When Ravi Shastri started his coaching regime he brought Sanjay Bangar, Bharat Arun and Sridhar.

So now you have the coach of your choice and also the support staff so there are no room for excuses this is something which the fans know. Many people say they would love to see Rahul Dravid as the head coach of this team but honestly I don't think he will accept this offer as nobody wants the kind of treatment which Kumble got. He should continue working with youngsters at the U - 19 and India A level.

 

[Napa]

Shastri needs to go, and Kohli needs to step down for the captaincy. The captain of the team does not have to be the best player. I believe someone like Rahane or Pujara would do a better job as a captain.

India is the #1 ranked country, that is true. But is is playing far below its potential. Someone like Shastri, who was a great player but too comfortable in the BCCI-Dungarpur "suck up to the powers and you will do well" era is not India's best option.

Players with personalities like Gavaskar, Amarnath and Ganguly who did not suck up to the selectors should be running BCCI. Then only will India achieve its full potential.
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[cricketjoshila]

CT final was the 3rd most watched game in the history of cricket and here some random posters claim that fans don’t care about India-Pakistan match.

Oh and BTW, what happened to India not playing Pakistan due to restrictions from GOI and not BCCI?

Yes it was watched because it was a ICC trophy final.

GOI allows Indian team to play in multi team tournaments. If bangladesh or lanka arranges a 4 nation tournament with india pakistan as participants, GOI will likely give permission.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian fans don't care? I sure was fooled by these videos then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8fl4A1sLEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E3-amorpz8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dy2gtd-4KE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi9Qb4JadHA

Do you realise its a ICC trophy final? Thats the significance. Or do you believe things become significant because Pakistan is associated with it

Many pakistanis had similar delusions when Pakistanis were not allowed in the IPL. They thought IPL will collapse.

 

[Darkrai]

Do you realise its a ICC trophy final? Thats the significance. Or do you believe things become significant because Pakistan is associated with it

Many pakistanis had similar delusions when Pakistanis were not allowed in the IPL. They thought IPL will collapse.

Most watched ICC Matches (according to espncric)
WC15: Ind vs Pak 313 Millions
CT (group Match) Ind vs Pak 324 Million (60% were Indians). You Final theory is invalid.
WCSF11: India vs Pak 495 Millions
Only match that was watched more was WC final that India won, which makes sense.

CT final Indians probably tuned out when they realized humiliation was awaiting the team.

Pakistan features 3 times in top 4.

I don't care if Indians cares or not i'm just stating facts.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You are a piece of work.

Most watched ICC Matches (according to espncric)
WC15: Ind vs Pak 313 Millions
CT (group Match) Ind vs Pak 324 Million (60% were Indians). You Final theory is invalid.
WCSF11: India vs Pak 495 Millions
Only match that was watched more was WC final that India won, which makes sense.

CT final Indians probably tuned out when they realized humiliation was awaiting the team.

Pakistan features 3 times in top 4.

I don't care if Indians cares or not i'm just stating facts. You should stop being ignorant.

Indians care. Don't just believe some of the keyboard warriors here. They will be the first ones to switch on their tv sets and break it if India loses against Pakistan.

 

[topspin]

I do think among the younger gen. of Indian fans they care more about IPL than any international cricket and to state the obvious this will set the precedent for Indian cricket fans for the next generations to come.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are a piece of work.

Most watched ICC Matches (according to espncric)
WC15: Ind vs Pak 313 Millions
CT (group Match) Ind vs Pak 324 Million (60% were Indians). You Final theory is invalid.
WCSF11: India vs Pak 495 Millions
Only match that was watched more was WC final that India won, which makes sense.

CT final Indians probably tuned out when they realized humiliation was awaiting the team.

Pakistan features 3 times in top 4.

I don't care if Indians cares or not i'm just stating facts. You should stop being ignorant.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.crictracker.com/top-5-most-viewed-cricket-matches/amp/

Top 5 most watched games. This is from before the 2017 CT final.

All matches are ICC matches.All matches had India playing in it.

If Pakistan is the factor then why no other matches involving Pakistan are there?

Why no non ICC trophy matches are there?

Why no mention of other indo pak matches from icc tournaments or other trophies?

Icc matches matter.
India matches matter.
Knockout matches matter.

 

[Pete Rose]

You are a piece of work.

Most watched ICC Matches (according to espncric)
WC15: Ind vs Pak 313 Millions
CT (group Match) Ind vs Pak 324 Million (60% were Indians). You Final theory is invalid.
WCSF11: India vs Pak 495 Millions
Only match that was watched more was WC final that India won, which makes sense.

CT final Indians probably tuned out when they realized humiliation was awaiting the team.

Pakistan features 3 times in top 4.

I don't care if Indians cares or not i'm just stating facts. You should stop being ignorant.

But IPL final viewership was 41% higher to 55.6 million. So as you can see this proves.... (headscatch)....something

 

[Pete Rose]

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.crictracker.com/top-5-most-viewed-cricket-matches/amp/

Top 5 most watched games. This is from before the 2017 CT final.

All matches are ICC matches.All matches had India playing in it.

If Pakistan is the factor then why no other matches involving Pakistan are there?

Why no non ICC trophy matches are there?

Why no mention of other indo pak matches from icc tournaments or other trophies?

Icc matches matter.
India matches matter.
Knockout matches matter.

But is his point that Pakistan is a bigger draw than India?

 

[Snowflake]

But is his point that Pakistan is a bigger draw than India?

He's cornered bad and now it's just fun seeing him try to wiggle his way out of this )

 

[cricketjoshila]

But is his point that Pakistan is a bigger draw than India?

His point is Indo Pak match.

My point is India match in a ICC tournament againist big teams esp a knockout is a big draw. Also the day and time of the match matters.

India v Pakistan only plays a small part in it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He's cornered bad and now it's just fun seeing him try to wiggle his way out of this )

Dont worry about me. Worry about why pcb cant get big bucks without India.

 

[Usman Chadda]

As if any coach other than Shastri would have made a difference. Your batsmen are rubbish, and you were playing with ten men in four out of five tests.

Also, that one fluke performance from a particular player is going to cost India in Australia big time.

 

[Darkrai]

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.crictracker.com/top-5-most-viewed-cricket-matches/amp/

Top 5 most watched games. This is from before the 2017 CT final.

All matches are ICC matches.All matches had India playing in it.

If Pakistan is the factor then why no other matches involving Pakistan are there?

Why no non ICC trophy matches are there?

Why no mention of other indo pak matches from icc tournaments or other trophies?

Icc matches matter.
India matches matter.
Knockout matches matter.

You are losing the plot. The point was to show you that India does care when they play Pakistan, which is why Pakistan is listed there three times. My claims were backed by the data i provided. Those are the facts, you opinion mean little.

 

[Hasan123]

Shastri needs to go, and Kohli needs to step down for the captaincy. The captain of the team does not have to be the best player. I believe someone like Rahane or Pujara would do a better job as a captain.

India is the #1 ranked country, that is true. But is is playing far below its potential. Someone like Shastri, who was a great player but too comfortable in the BCCI-Dungarpur "suck up to the powers and you will do well" era is not India's best option.

Players with personalities like Gavaskar, Amarnath and Ganguly who did not suck up to the selectors should be running BCCI. Then only will India achieve its full potential.
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Why will Rahane and Pujara do a better job than Kohli? Rahane is struggling to keep his place in the team so how will he handle the pressure of captaincy ? How many great captains didn't make the team on merit ? I can't think of a single great captain who didn't make the team on merit. Rahane with his inconsistent form would have that issue .

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are losing the plot. The point was to show you that India does care when they play Pakistan, which is why Pakistan is listed there three times. My claims were backed by the data i provided. Those are the facts, you opinion mean little.

Those are icc matches and two of them knockouts. That matters.Also the day of the game.

If india pak matches matter then asia cup matches would be there. Isnt it?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Shastri needs to go, and Kohli needs to step down for the captaincy. The captain of the team does not have to be the best player. I believe someone like Rahane or Pujara would do a better job as a captain.

India is the #1 ranked country, that is true. But is is playing far below its potential. Someone like Shastri, who was a great player but too comfortable in the BCCI-Dungarpur "suck up to the powers and you will do well" era is not India's best option.

Players with personalities like Gavaskar, Amarnath and Ganguly who did not suck up to the selectors should be running BCCI. Then only will India achieve its full potential.
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Chances are that Ganguly will be the next bcci president.

 

[ahsan17]

Those are icc matches and two of them knockouts. That matters.Also the day of the game.

If india pak matches matter then asia cup matches would be there. Isnt it?

Why are Pakistan vs India ICC matches disproportionately prevalent? More importantly, ICC said that the money generated from Pakistan vs India WC games is disproportionately higher than other games. Who is watching all those games to cause the significant difference in revenue? These are facts, meantime what you are mentioning are opinions and theories.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why are Pakistan vs India ICC matches disproportionately prevalent? More importantly, ICC said that the money generated from Pakistan vs India WC games is disproportionately higher than other games. Who is watching all those games to cause the significant difference in revenue? These are facts, meantime what you are mentioning are opinions and theories.

Does ICC sell individual match rights separately?

If indo pak matches have such dispropotionate audience then why Asia cup are not there?

Why knockout of important icc tournaments are there?

 

[Darkrai]

Those are icc matches and two of them knockouts. That matters.Also the day of the game.

If india pak matches matter then asia cup matches would be there. Isnt it?

Does India only play Pakistan in tournaments and knockouts? You need to rethink everything.

I'm sure Pak vs Indi will be viewed more than other matches, but you have to be a reasonable person to accept that.

Indian Media just Invited Wasim Akram, Abdul Qadir, Misbah Ul-Haq, and Younis Khan for a program on Asia Cup. I'm pretty sure those professionals know what their audience want.

You seem hell bent on trying prove how India doesn't care when they play Pakistan, even though the data and Indian media says otherwise, it's very silly.

 

[Snowflake]

Dont worry about me. Worry about why pcb cant get big bucks without India.

Where did I say I was worried? Now get back to finding another straw to clutch at because you are getting owned )

 

[topspin]

Why will Rahane and Pujara do a better job than Kohli? Rahane is struggling to keep his place in the team so how will he handle the pressure of captaincy ? How many great captains didn't make the team on merit ? I can't think of a single great captain who didn't make the team on merit. Rahane with his inconsistent form would have that issue .

Mentally weak and heavily defensive with the bat - don't need to be an expert to know how that would translate into captaincy even if they were performing okay as batsmen alone.

Case in point is Misbah - having said that not all aggressive batsmen or bowlers are attacking captains, evident by Afridi and Waqar. But very defensive batsmen are almost always defensive captains that lack much imagination when they are needed to turn their teams fortunes at clutch moments.

 

[Napa]

Why will Rahane and Pujara do a better job than Kohli? Rahane is struggling to keep his place in the team so how will he handle the pressure of captaincy ? How many great captains didn't make the team on merit ? I can't think of a single great captain who didn't make the team on merit. Rahane with his inconsistent form would have that issue .

I agree that a player who can't make it to the team based on his game alone should be in the team for a captain. But I am disappointed with Kohli's captaincy, so another captain may be required. If you feel Rahane can't keep his place in the team, then the only other senior player who has a secure place is Pujara. Next would be Rahul, Ashwin or Jadeja, but their place is also uncertain. Dhawan needs to be gone from the Test team.

 

[Napa]

Mentally weak and heavily defensive with the bat - don't need to be an expert to know how that would translate into captaincy even if they were performing okay as batsmen alone.

Case in point is Misbah - having said that not all aggressive batsmen or bowlers are attacking captains, evident by Afridi and Waqar. But very defensive batsmen are almost always defensive captains that lack much imagination when they are needed to turn their teams fortunes at clutch moments.

You won't find a more aggressive player than Kohli, however captaincy is more than just being aggressive. Rahane did win the only Test he captained India, the 4th and series deciding Test against Australia. Kohli's record in that series was won 1, drew 1, and lost 1.

Losing two consecutive series, which many feel India should have won, cannot be excused lightly. Those at the top need to be held accountable.

 

[gazza619]

Only an Indian team can claim to be the best Indian team of last 15 years after losing 4-1. Such are their standards.
#minnowmindset

 

[cricketjoshila]

Does India only play Pakistan in tournaments and knockouts? You need to rethink everything.

I'm sure Pak vs Indi will be viewed more than other matches, but you have to be a reasonable person to accept that.

Indian Media just Invited Wasim Akram, Abdul Qadir, Misbah Ul-Haq, and Younis Khan for a program on Asia Cup. I'm pretty sure those professionals know what their audience want.

You seem hell bent on trying prove how India doesn't care when they play Pakistan, even though the data and Indian media says otherwise, it's very silly.

Are all Indo Pak knockout matches on the list?

Depends on the context of the match.

India also doesnot allow Pakistanis in IPL. Pretty sure they know which players people want to watch.

Experts from different countries are invited to comment on news shows before India plays that country. Pakistan is no exception.

What does Indian media say?

You are listing knock out matches of India from ICC tournaments and saying they have audience. If it was a non icc tournament match and it had huge audience it would make sense.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Where did I say I was worried? Now get back to finding another straw to clutch at because you are getting owned )

Pakistanis are trying to create fake atmosphere and banter about a rivalry that one side doesnot give much importance to these days and i am clutching at straws lol.

 

[Chrish]

Issue with Kohli not being a captain is that other than him, no one has earned the right to be permanent in team, not even Ashwin. So, they really have no other choice.

Also, Kohli's batting has gone on another level after captaincy.

 

[Darkrai]

Are all Indo Pak knockout matches on the list?

Depends on the context of the match.

India also doesnot allow Pakistanis in IPL. Pretty sure they know which players people want to watch.

Experts from different countries are invited to comment on news shows before India plays that country. Pakistan is no exception.

What does Indian media say?

You are listing knock out matches of India from ICC tournaments and saying they have audience. If it was a non icc tournament match and it had huge audience it would make sense.

You want all Indo pak knockout matches to be on the list to be satisfied? We are still talking about India not caring who they play?

I mentioned Indian media not India gov. Stop bringing up IPL that's irrelevant.

How many experts were asked to come from SL and BD? That's right only one each. How many from Pakistan? That's right 4, only 1 less than Indian experts.

Stop repeating this ICC stuff over and over again. Any sane person will tell you that of course ICC matches will watched more than Asia cup or just bilateral series.

You say ICC matches are important therefore they are watched more. I AGREE. They are important. India gives them more importance, right? And Pakistan is listed 3 times there, right? So India gives Pakistan matches more Importance than any other matches in any ICC tournament, except the final of the World Cup.

It's ok to admit you are wrong.

 

[Tusker]

Shastri needs to go, and Kohli needs to step down for the captaincy. The captain of the team does not have to be the best player. I believe someone like Rahane or Pujara would do a better job as a captain.

India is the #1 ranked country, that is true. But is is playing far below its potential. Someone like Shastri, who was a great player but too comfortable in the BCCI-Dungarpur "suck up to the powers and you will do well" era is not India's best option.

Players with personalities like Gavaskar, Amarnath and Ganguly who did not suck up to the selectors should be running BCCI. Then only will India achieve its full potential.
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I agree with this but there is a part of me that wont be happy at all seeing Shastri in the commentary box barking shouting inane cliches such as "Flashes and flashes hard, No half measures and the most cringeworthy of all - like a tracer bullet" . Call me self centered but hey a man deserves decent commentary.

 

[Hitman]

Shastri needs to go, and Kohli needs to step down for the captaincy. The captain of the team does not have to be the best player. I believe someone like Rahane or Pujara would do a better job as a captain.

India is the #1 ranked country, that is true. But is is playing far below its potential. Someone like Shastri, who was a great player but too comfortable in the BCCI-Dungarpur "suck up to the powers and you will do well" era is not India's best option.

Players with personalities like Gavaskar, Amarnath and Ganguly who did not suck up to the selectors should be running BCCI. Then only will India achieve its full potential.
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Bhai Jee, yeh aap kya bol rahen hon!!!!

 

[Snowflake]

You want all Indo pak knockout matches to be on the list to be satisfied? We are still talking about India not caring who they play?

I mentioned Indian media not India gov. Stop bringing up IPL that's irrelevant.

How many experts were asked to come from SL and BD? That's right only one each. How many from Pakistan? That's right 4, only 1 less than Indian experts.

Stop repeating this ICC stuff over and over again. Any sane person will tell you that of course ICC matches will watched more than Asia cup or just bilateral series.

You say ICC matches are important therefore they are watched more. I AGREE. They are important. India gives them more importance, right? And Pakistan is listed 3 times there, right? So India gives Pakistan matches more Importance than any other matches in any ICC tournament, except the final of the World Cup.

It's ok to admit you are wrong.

) Dude, you do realize who you are talking to, right?

Though, purely for entertainment value, I want this to go a little longer just to see all what he can come up with! Lol

 

[Napa]

Bhai Jee, yeh aap kya bol rahen hon!!!!

Though he sucked most of his career, Shastri had his moments of brilliance. India would probably have won the WCC 1985 without him, but he made India dominate that tournament like few others teams have ever dominated a tournament.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravi_Shastri#World_Championship_of_Cricket_-_1985

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Championship_of_Cricket