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Ashwin split as follows:

133 wickets at home at an average of 20.87 in 20 matches
67 wickets away from home at an average of 33.23 in 17 matches
 
Great achievement.

But he does need to better his away wickets record.

India's best bowler by a mile too.
 
Saj said:
Ashwin split as follows:

133 wickets at home at an average of 20.87 in 20 matches
67 wickets away from home at an average of 33.23 in 17 matches
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A very decent away average for an offspinner considering this also includes his nightmare tour of Australia. Even Murali averaged only 27 away from home.
 
He needs to get an extended run with the team in overseas tests. He played just one test in South Africa, didn't get a test in New Zealand and bowled just 30 overs in England. He was terribly used by Dhoni who preferred Jadeja as the first choice spinner over him. Even Kohli selected Karn Sharma at Adelaide where I think Ashwin would've done better. Though I think he will be a starter for the next round of overseas tours, especially after his MoS performance at the West Indies.
 
street cricketer said:
He needs to get an extended run with the team in overseas tests. He played just one test in South Africa, didn't get a test in New Zealand and bowled just 30 overs in England. He was terribly used by Dhoni who preferred Jadeja as the first choice spinner over him. Even Kohli selected Karn Sharma at Adelaide where I think Ashwin would've done better. Though I think he will be a starter for the next round of overseas tours, especially after his MoS performance at the West Indies.
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He didnt do anything to get an extended run earlier

Was poor in 2011 Aus tour and then after being wicketless in Joburg was dropped.Coincidentally Jaddu got a helpful pitch in Durban and made most of it.So dont think can blame Dhoni for that.

Has improved a lot though.Lot more attacking even overseas.Would be interesting to see how he goes overseas now.Windies pitches did aid spin a tad
 
Add his batting and he is the MVP in cricket right now. Man of the series in last 3 test series - two of them overseas.

Will end up as at least an Indian great if not more.
 
Good achievement but he's very lucky to be playing his home matches in India.

Nikhil_cric said:
A very decent away average for an offspinner considering this also includes his nightmare tour of Australia. Even Murali averaged only 27 away from home.
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Huge difference between 27 and 33, as bowling averages. That six point difference is what separates an ATG like Waqar from a mediocre/decent 29 averaging pacer from other countries. Murali also had to contend with at least two great spin playing teams whereas Ashwin won't get to play Pakistan and only played South Africa on totally pathetic pitches.

shaz619 said:
More then Virat Kohli did in England :yk2
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:)))

"Vintage shaz619!"
 
Averages sub 25 in 4 out of the 7 countries he has played (India - 20, SL - 18, Bang - 19 and WI - 23).

Average 33 (2 tests), 54 (6 tests), not applicable (1 test) in Eng, Aus and SA resp.

Will have to improve that record when he gets chances.

His away average is a bit misleading.

At the start of 2015, it was 50 odd. Now its 33. Will improve as he plays more.
 
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Saurav said:
He didnt do anything to get an extended run earlier

Was poor in 2011 Aus tour and then after being wicketless in Joburg was dropped.Coincidentally Jaddu got a helpful pitch in Durban and made most of it.So dont think can blame Dhoni for that.

Has improved a lot though.Lot more attacking even overseas.Would be interesting to see how he goes overseas now.Windies pitches did aid spin a tad
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It's simple for me. You always pick your best players for each discipline no matter what. That is how you give yourself the best chance to win. Ashwin was very young and in his first tours to South Africa and Australia. Yes, he failed at Jo'burg but I think it's harsh to drop players after just one poor performance. Batsmen don't get dropped even after one or two poor series and I think it's fair as well. You don't drop your best batsmen after a poor match, and just like batsmen, spinners learn with experience.

I don't expect any spinner to average less than 35 or 40 on the slabs of Australia anyway. Swann got smashed there last time around. As a thumb rule, the nations in the southern hemisphere are graveyards for spinners in general. There are a few venues where the ball takes spin after the 4th or the 5th day (like the Adelaide), but mostly spinners are just used as a damage limitation there rather than as an attacking option. But in West Indies and England, the spinners do have a role to play and I think he will do much better there now that he has improved leaps and bounds.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Averages sub 25 in 4 out of the 7 countries he has played (India - 20, SL - 18, Bang - 19 and WI - 23).

Average 33 (2 tests), 54 (6 tests), not applicable (1 test) in Eng, Aus and SA resp.

Will have to improve that record when he gets chances.

His away average is a bit misleading.

At the start of 2015, it was 50 odd. Now its 33. Will improve as he plays more.
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The stats you've given are misleading

Non spin friendly conditions are Australia, England, SA and NZ. Overall he has a ways to go in these places. Infact average doesn't matter. It's the total lack of a game changing spell
 
Slog said:
The stats you've given are misleading

Non spin friendly conditions are Australia, England, SA and NZ. Overall he has a ways to go in these places
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The only place he has really failed is Aus.

he has only played a test each in England and SA. It would be premature to say he has failed in those places with just one match. Lets wait until the next set of away tours before we start calling him an htb.
 
I will say he is currently one of the best if not the best but potentially I can see him dominating world cricket within a year or two.A feisty character with a good cricketing brain makes for a good bowler and add his runs too and you get a top cricketer
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Averages sub 25 in 4 out of the 7 countries he has played (India - 20, SL - 18, Bang - 19 and WI - 23).

Average 33 (2 tests), 54 (6 tests), not applicable (1 test) in Eng, Aus and SA resp.

Will have to improve that record when he gets chances.

His away average is a bit misleading.

At the start of 2015, it was 50 odd. Now its 33. Will improve as he plays more.
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Aus,SA(except Durban) and NZ are the problem countries for spinners.

Ashwin will have to play a role there if he wants to be known as a world great.

Is our MVP so will get all the chances too.

I just hope captains back his batting ability too.There is no need to play an extra batsman.Don't remember when it helped us last,whereas an extra bowler won us home series v Aus,SA and Away series in SL
 
Sidilicious said:
The only place he has really failed is Aus.

he has only played a test each in England and SA. It would be premature to say he has failed in those places with just one match. Lets wait until the next set of away tours before we start calling him an htb.
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I agree that he can def get better and I think bowled well in the 2014-15 tour to Australia even if he didn't set the world alight.
 
Congrats to him on camera during game always looks like he is speaking to Kumble hopefully a good thing,should stay out of politics and keep working on his game.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Averages sub 25 in 4 out of the 7 countries he has played (India - 20, SL - 18, Bang - 19 and WI - 23).

Average 33 (2 tests), 54 (6 tests), not applicable (1 test) in Eng, Aus and SA resp.

Will have to improve that record when he gets chances.

His away average is a bit misleading.

At the start of 2015, it was 50 odd. Now its 33. Will improve as he plays more.
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His away avge is misleading Itd be even higher if he played all the tough away tours ie eng, aus, nz and sth africa instead of being dropped and saved for the home games or the poorer teams to feast on
 
Zaz said:
His away avge is misleading Itd be even higher if he played all the tough away tours ie eng, aus, nz and sth africa instead of being dropped and saved for the home games or the poorer teams to feast on
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or he would have taken more wickets and proved himself as the best. What proof is there that he would have failed. The only way to conclusively say he is a htb is if he plays and fails.
 
Zaz said:
His away avge is misleading Itd be even higher if he played all the tough away tours ie eng, aus, nz and sth africa instead of being dropped and saved for the home games or the poorer teams to feast on
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Slog said:
The stats you've given are misleading

Non spin friendly conditions are Australia, England, SA and NZ. Overall he has a ways to go in these places. Infact average doesn't matter. It's the total lack of a game changing spell
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You are right. I probably should have worded it differently.

Till 2015, his away average was 55 so that was harped upon even though he had played just Aus mainly.

The point I was trying to make was Ashwin's outside Asia sample set is almost only pertaining to Aus and was otherwise negligible.

The word "misleading" was wrong.

Apart from Aus, he bowled in just 2 proper innings in Eng and SA.....one was a flop with 0/86 and other was 3/72

Of course, he won't have any game defining spells when you drop him from all the important away games/pitches where spinners make a mark (Lord's, Durban, Adelaide, etc). In Sydney in 2015, he started picking 4 out of 5 wickets (Aus scored 250 runs) and would have taken a 6fer or even 7fer but since they had a first innings lead...they chose to declare.

To give you a accurate picture of what its like...

Imagine Yasir being dropped from Lord's and not allowed to bowl in Oval 2nd innings and then judged on his performance in Eng. What would his average be then? Upwards of 100.

That's exactly Ashwin has been in his career been outside Asia which is misleading. This is NOT a comparison of both bowlers or to say Ashwin would have done just as well but its true that he got (through his own fault or otherwise) picked for only games where the chances of a spinner making a game defining spell was low.

And yeah...he had a better SR in Aus than Swann did in 2010 (he averaged 48 while Swann averaged 39). Swann was HAILED for his performance in Aus there. That's what pacers and batting lineup difference makes to the end result.

In WI recently...Ashwin averaged 23.

What was the average of all the other spinners (Mishra and WI ones) who bowled a decent sample set? Averaged 38-65. Go back to 2011, and spinners averages from both sides were from 25-32.

That's what I meant.

But the word "misleading" was wrong. Average of 32 away after all those tours would be great and Ashwin would have to do very well to get that. And if he gets that, he would have had many match defining knocks.
 
Saurav said:
Aus,SA(except Durban) and NZ are the problem countries for spinners.

Ashwin will have to play a role there if he wants to be known as a world great.

Is our MVP so will get all the chances too.

I just hope captains back his batting ability too.There is no need to play an extra batsman.Don't remember when it helped us last,whereas an extra bowler won us home series v Aus,SA and Away series in SL
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I agree. He has to perform in Aus, NZ, Eng, SA.
 
All the bowlers look amazing under Kohli, hopefully our batters too start scoring hundreds instead of 40's 60's et al in test :(
 
Ash might be no Murali or Warne but still a world class bowler.

Let's not forget those two are top tier ATGs of the game.

It's to be seen how things go for Ash in future but he is certainly the most valuable cricketer going around.

He has a MOS in SL, WI and NZ/ Aus in India even if we ignore that SA series where games were played mostly on rank turners.

He has got the better of world class players like Sanga and AB in tests.

Younis vs Ashwin would be an interesting battle but I don't see that happening as Yoni won't stay in tests for longer.

Ashwin has been India's top performer in literally every series they have won in last 3-4 years.
 
JibranAnsari said:
What a bowler this guy is , the best spinner by some distance.
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Nope. Yasir is the best spinner in tests right now. He has already produced three great spells away from home against a good batting line up. Ashwin has a chance at catching up though

As an all rounder though, Aswin is one of the top 2 or 3 guys in busienss right now
 
Ashwin and jadeja are the heart of current Indian team..
 
Sachin136 said:
Stokes is the only one who can be considered better than Ashwin as an all-rounder (that too marginally). Woakes, Marsh etc are some distance behind.
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Ashwin is no.1 IMO.His impact is matchable to the likes of best players going around in the world.

Stokes is good but doesn't have as much impact as some of his teammates like Root or Anderson.Stokes will do well in places like Aus and SA but I don't expect much from him in INDIA or in SC.

Ashwin has impacted Indian test games much more than Rahane,Vijay and Kohli.
 
Ashwin the spinner comparison is debatable. Yasir has won Pakistan 2 tests outside Asia in a tough place like England..something which Ashwin is yet to do.

But as an AR...I think Ashwin is by far the best AR going around.

I think his biggest competition will come from Woakes who has the potential to be an amazing AR.

Stokes is a good batting AR but he averages 37 with the ball (his weaker suit).

- Ashwin on the other hand, has won India 2 series with his weaker suit (batting). One in 2013 WI and another in 2016 WI.

- Played a decent role with the bat in helping us draw 2 games in Aus (one through his 50 to reduce Aus lead so that they don't run away with the game and another game where he stayed with Dhoni till the end to draw it).

- Defied the strong England spin attack in 2012 and was India's 2nd best bat after Pujara in that series. Was out only 4 times in 4 tests.

- Then there are countless other clutch knocks including a crucial 50 in 3rd innings in a decider test against SL coming in at 179-7. The 100 runs he put on for the team ended up being the winning margin.
 
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Bachelors in computer science, worked in a top IT firm.

Left.

Became the best offie in India.

Defeated Saeed Ajmal in duels of doosra.

Became best offie on earth currently.

On his way to becoming best offie ever.

#BeingRavi
 
Suleiman said:
Bachelors in computer science, worked in a top IT firm.

Left.

Became the best offie in India.

Defeated Saeed Ajmal in duels of doosra.

Became best offie on earth currently.

On his way to becoming best offie ever.

#BeingRavi
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That's a tall order given the benchmark set by the best offie ever.
 
Ashwin and Yasir has same impact on the opposition with the ball. Both can run through the opposition easily with a bit of help from the surface. Both have tremendous variations.

Yasir has proved that he can win Test matches in England. Ashwin still has to prove it.

Ashwin is miles ahead of Yasir as an overall cricketer when batting is included. Very valuable down the order in Tests.

In ODI's and T20's I would definitely pick Ashwin.

Ashwin should reach at least 400 wickets before he retires. May be 450. He just turned 30. He may have 4-5 years of peak left from here before he declines.
 
Time for Ashwin to pad stats and get as many wickets as possible during this home stretch if he wants to get close to 500 wickets in Test Cricket.
 
Top bowler no doubt. Will be enjoyable to watch him bowl over the next few years.
 
With time on his side, Ashwin can break a lot of records: Waqar Younis

Former Pakistan paceman Waqar Younis feels that Ravichandran Ashwin has the ability to break more records after the Indian broke the legend’s record at the Green Park in Kanpur on Sunday.

Ashwin reached the 200-wicket milestone in Tests in his 37th game, thus going past Younis and former Australian fast bowler Dennis Lillee who took 38 Tests to reach the mark.

“I am happy for an intelligent bowler like Ashwin. Without doubt he is a quality bower and what he has achieved is amazing,” Waqar told HT over phone from Dubai. “He is not just taking wickets but also scoring runs. His all-round performance is outstanding. I am happy for him that he has achieved this milestone.”

Waqar added that Ashwin, who turns 30 this week, had time and age on his side. “He is young and has a lot of time. He can break a lot of records. Indian cricket is lucky to have such an all-round talent,” said Younis, who took 373 Test wickets in his career.

Incidentally, Younis’s 200th wicket was also a New Zealander’s. A veteran of 87 Tests, Younis trapped Dion Nash leg-before in the second inning of the Christchurch Test in 1995. “It took me a couple of matches to get to my 200th Test wicket (and) I think I got it in New Zealand. To get my 200th Test wicket, I had to wait a lot. I got it in the second inning. I think he (Nash) was the second-last man to get out.”

Ashwin has a tremendous record at home as he has taken 133 wickets. But as a lead bowler, he has to improve his record on overseas tours of Australia, England and South Africa where he has taken 24 wickets in nine matches.

But Younis feels that every cricketer enjoys home conditions and this argument should not overshadow Ashwin’s achievement. “It’s always is a challenge to perform in overseas tours, especially Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. But when Australia or New Zealand come to India or to the subcontinent, they always struggle. I think everyone enjoys cricket at home and they should,” said Younis.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/crick...aqar-younis/story-kt3XHIlyp9b9crUFVnsnHO.html
 
Abdullah719 said:
Former Pakistan paceman Waqar Younis feels that Ravichandran Ashwin has the ability to break more records after the Indian broke the legend’s record at the Green Park in Kanpur on Sunday.

Ashwin reached the 200-wicket milestone in Tests in his 37th game, thus going past Younis and former Australian fast bowler Dennis Lillee who took 38 Tests to reach the mark.

“I am happy for an intelligent bowler like Ashwin. Without doubt he is a quality bower and what he has achieved is amazing,” Waqar told HT over phone from Dubai. “He is not just taking wickets but also scoring runs. His all-round performance is outstanding. I am happy for him that he has achieved this milestone.”

Waqar added that Ashwin, who turns 30 this week, had time and age on his side. “He is young and has a lot of time. He can break a lot of records. Indian cricket is lucky to have such an all-round talent,” said Younis, who took 373 Test wickets in his career.

Incidentally, Younis’s 200th wicket was also a New Zealander’s. A veteran of 87 Tests, Younis trapped Dion Nash leg-before in the second inning of the Christchurch Test in 1995. “It took me a couple of matches to get to my 200th Test wicket (and) I think I got it in New Zealand. To get my 200th Test wicket, I had to wait a lot. I got it in the second inning. I think he (Nash) was the second-last man to get out.”

Ashwin has a tremendous record at home as he has taken 133 wickets. But as a lead bowler, he has to improve his record on overseas tours of Australia, England and South Africa where he has taken 24 wickets in nine matches.

But Younis feels that every cricketer enjoys home conditions and this argument should not overshadow Ashwin’s achievement. “It’s always is a challenge to perform in overseas tours, especially Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. But when Australia or New Zealand come to India or to the subcontinent, they always struggle. I think everyone enjoys cricket at home and they should,” said Younis.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/crick...aqar-younis/story-kt3XHIlyp9b9crUFVnsnHO.html
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Excellently put by one the world's best pacers.
 
Yeah...he personally wished on Twitter too...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/waqyounis99">@waqyounis99</a> omg!!thank u so much sir</p>— Ashwin Ravichandran (@ashwinravi99) <a href="https://twitter.com/ashwinravi99/status/780059616642076672">September 25, 2016</a></blockquote>
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Yeah...he personally wished on Twitter too...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/waqyounis99">@waqyounis99</a> omg!!thank u so much sir</p>— Ashwin Ravichandran (@ashwinravi99) <a href="https://twitter.com/ashwinravi99/status/780059616642076672">September 25, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Pretty cool!
 
Normally, players encourage each other a lot. It's more true for ex-players when they talk about current players. Very good gesture by Waqar here. At times, fans start taking all statement as undeniable facts, but ex-players say many things simply to encourage players.
 
67% of his wickets in India with 13 5w hauls. Shows he's had very favourable conditions to play in at home. Also bowled twice the number of overs at home vs away. Not a very reflective record I'm afraid
 
savecricket said:
67% of his wickets in India with 13 5w hauls. Shows he's had very favourable conditions to play in at home. Also bowled twice the number of overs at home vs away. Not a very reflective record I'm afraid
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On top of that he is a bowler who is NOT Pakistani. That makes him totally ineligible to be regarded as a good bowler. Yasir is the best bowler ever and will take 200 wickets in 23 tests.
 
Will end up as the greatest Indian spinner of all time and may be the greatest Indian test cricketer as well.
 
Smith and his teams legs must be shivering at the thought of facing Ghar ka Ashwin next year.
 
Saj said:
Ashwin split as follows:

133 wickets at home at an average of 20.87 in 20 matches
67 wickets away from home at an average of 33.23 in 17 matches
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This gap of his will keep growing and growing. He is this generation's Anil Kumble.
 
Bilal7 said:
This gap of his will keep growing and growing. He is this generation's Anil Kumble.
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Only a jealous Yasir fan can not see the improvement in Ashwin. No spinner in the world is bowling anywhere near the level Ashwin is at the moment.
 
The accuracy on Ashwin's leg breaks was astounding. Surely takes a lot of skills to do what he did to Bairstow today. Remember he cleaned up Amla as well off a similar delivery from round the wicket in limited overs cricket.
 
NZ commentators during recent NZ-Pak series - Ravi Ashwin is the most valuable cricketer in test cricket at the moment.


Haters gonna hate.
 
Role of finger spinners are not that big in non subcontinent conditions. He has won more man of the series than Tendulkar or Kumble in a short span of career. Many bowlers have played at home. Not everyone became an Ashwin.
 
Just give SG ball to Ashwin while playing abroad and watch the magic :) Once he gets used to kookaburra his contribution will significantly increase.
 
Saj said:
Ashwin split as follows:

133 wickets at home at an average of 20.87 in 20 matches
67 wickets away from home at an average of 33.23 in 17 matches
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That's very intriguing. Perhaps we should keep an eye on in the near future.
 
Don't know about overseas, but he's probably the best bowler in SC conditions.

Even when the pitches weren't rank turners, he still destroyed NZ and ENG batting lineups.
 
Sarfarazian92 said:
Even when the pitches weren't rank turners, he still destroyed NZ and ENG batting lineups.
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Many fans won't give any credit because they assume that it was rank turners without watching games.
 
Sin Nombre said:
NZ commentators during recent NZ-Pak series - Ravi Ashwin is the most valuable cricketer in test cricket at the moment.


Haters gonna hate.
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You just showed your age there buddy :) !! Anyways many congratulations to you lot on finding a gun off spinner. I must say he is doing pretty well :14:
 
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