Ravichandran Ashwin, now a leg-spinner too?

[Monsee]

There was some info in an article online that he is about to start bowling leg spin (the whole bag of tricks and all) as well...isn't this interesting that he is all of sudden deiciding to become a leg spinner?

And rather ironic as well that this is happening right after Ajmal has just retired!

Isn't that another way to deflect from the fact that he might be about to start bowling 'Doosras' and also what happened to the claim (by most Indians) that no bowler can legally bowl a Doosra?

Debate!

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Well, Here are my 2 cents:

In CT final I was expecting him to chuck and get called. But, as a certain wannabe-Indian would say it, his buzdalee came over and he bowled (to a LHB) the one that pitches outside leg and keeps on drifting leg Jadhav, Hafeez and Malik (3 AR) bowled better than him. Left hand batsmen slayer my foot. Don Bradman of bowling my foot.

He'll keep on with his shameless chucking, or cheating blatantly. But in India. Where no umpire, a historically proven fact, has ever called any chucker...

 

[jnaveen1980]

He was back after injury. Nobody wanted any spinner for the final. In limited overs Chahal, Kuldeep should have been introduced long back. He can bowl 5 different types of deliveries without resorting to any chucking. His action is as clean as they come. He is kind of a whistle blower who opened the pandora box which led to weeding out all the chuckers. His form in limited overs took a hit long back. His selection in CT squad let alone CT final was rather surprising. But in Tests he is still one of the best going around. Fastest to reach 300 wickets. 7 man of the series award more than Kumble or Sachin in such a short span of time. You might want to check his T20 ball of the century to Amla to know how he can bowl move the ball away right handerwithout resorting to chucking.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Only reason he is practicing leg spin is because he probably wants to return to ODI side as India has two wrist spinners now. Leggies rule the ODIs all over the world. So i suppose he wants to be pat of it.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

He is kind of a whistle blower who opened the pandora box which led to weeding out all the chuckers.

Yeah bro, whatever makes y'all feel better I guess.

 

[OmarKhan99]

He was back after injury. Nobody wanted any spinner for the final. In limited overs Chahal, Kuldeep should have been introduced long back. He can bowl 5 different types of deliveries without resorting to any chucking. His action is as clean as they come. He is kind of a whistle blower who opened the pandora box which led to weeding out all the chuckers. His form in limited overs took a hit long back. His selection in CT squad let alone CT final was rather surprising. But in Tests he is still one of the best going around. Fastest to reach 300 wickets. 7 man of the series award more than Kumble or Sachin in such a short span of time. You might want to check his T20 ball of the century to Amla to know how he can bowl move the ball away right handerwithout resorting to chucking.

It was a carrom ball.....I've played bowlers in my school who bowl it. it's quite easily discernible. Amla is just not that great player of spin. Ashwin bowled the same bowl to Sharjeel a few years ago as well. A doosra is much more concealed, a much superior variation and much harder to bowl.

 

[troodon]

Well, Here are my 2 cents:

In CT final I was expecting him to chuck and get called. But, as a certain wannabe-Indian would say it, his buzdalee came over and he bowled (to a LHB) the one that pitches outside leg and keeps on drifting leg Jadhav, Hafeez and Malik (3 AR) bowled better than him. Left hand batsmen slayer my foot. Don Bradman of bowling my foot.

He'll keep on with his shameless chucking, or cheating blatantly. But in India. Where no umpire, a historically proven fact, has ever called any chucker...

Why would Ashwin chuck? Is it just because he was getting hit to all parts of the park? He is Ashwin. Not Ajmal or Hafeez.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Why would Ashwin chuck? Is it just because he was getting hit to all parts of the park? He is Ashwin. Not Ajmal or Hafeez.

You can bet he ain't Ajmal/Hafeez.

That line which he was bowling, TO A LEFT HANDER, is an insult to any self-respecting offie

 

[troodon]

You can bet he ain't Ajmal/Hafeez.

That line which he was bowling, TO A LEFT HANDER, is an insult to any self-respecting offie

keep the hate coming.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It was a carrom ball.....I've played bowlers in my school who bowl it. it's quite easily discernible. Amla is just not that great player of spin. Ashwin bowled the same bowl to Sharjeel a few years ago as well. A doosra is much more concealed, a much superior variation and much harder to bowl.

Just for argument sake don't say things like Amla is not a great player of spin bowling lol I didn't say it was a doosra. i said "taking the ball away from the right hander" which is what Doosra does except Carrom ball is almost like a leg spin. It is a legal action. That is the point i was making.

 

[OmarKhan99]

Just for argument sake don't say things like Amla is not a great player of spin bowling lol I didn't say it was a doosra. i said "taking the ball away from the right hander" which is what Doosra does except Carrom ball is almost like a leg spin. It is a legal action. That is the point i was making.

Yes I get you, but you are being quite cheeky. It was quite obvious that you were trying to infer that Ashwin can bowl the other way just like Ajmal, except he doesn't resort to chucking.....Basically a nudge (much like Jimmy Neesham's) at Ajmal. I was trying to clarify that the bowl he bowled was much easier to play and much easier to detect, hence the faulty equivalence with Ajmal's Doosra (one of the most difficult arts in the game to master).

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes I get you, but you are being quite cheeky. It was quite obvious that you were trying to infer that Ashwin can bowl the other way just like Ajmal, except he doesn't resort to chucking.....Basically a nudge (much like Jimmy Neesham's) at Ajmal. I was trying to clarify that the bowl he bowled was much easier to play and much easier to detect, hence the faulty equivalence with Ajmal's Doosra (one of the most difficult arts in the game to master).

It is like saying it is very hard to break into a highly secure bank and rob so when someone does they should be somehow given credit. If the action is not clean there is no point in discussing about how beautiful those deliveries are. Doesn't matter which country someone is from all chuckers should be kicked out. Even in local cricket tournament in US i call chucking out almost instantly as an umpire. It is simply not cricket.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You can bet he ain't Ajmal/Hafeez.

That line which he was bowling, TO A LEFT HANDER, is an insult to any self-respecting offie

He still has better test figures than any Pak spinner who has 100 or more wickets.

 

[OmarKhan99]

It is like saying it is very hard to break into a highly secure bank and rob so when someone does they should be somehow given credit. If the action is not clean there is no point in discussing about how beautiful those deliveries are. Doesn't matter which country someone is from all chuckers should be kicked out. Even in local cricket tournament in US i call chucking out almost instantly as an umpire. It is simply not cricket.

Not a very good analogy. Anyways, I never said that Ajmal should play or not, or if chuckers should be allowed to play or not. My point is quite simple, though Ashwin is World Class Spinner, the carrom ball he bowled is not even remotely close to a doosra in terms of effectiveness or in terms of difficulty. Also, Ajmal isn't the only who bowls Doosras, so did Saqlain Mushtaq and his action looked quite clean. I think you misunderstood my orginal point of view.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Not a very good analogy. Anyways, I never said that Ajmal should play or not, or if chuckers should be allowed to play or not. My point is quite simple, though Ashwin is World Class Spinner, the carrom ball he bowled is not even remotely close to a doosra in terms of effectiveness or in terms of difficulty. Also, Ajmal isn't the only who bowls Doosras, so did Saqlain Mushtaq and his action looked quite clean. I think you misunderstood my orginal point of view.

But Doosra won't look magical and dramatic like Carrom ball when you get it right because it doesn't turn square. Probably it would kiss the edge. Besides the point Ashwin has grand total of 5 different type of deliveries not just Carrom ball. Off spin, Side spinner, Floater, Top spinner, Carrom Ball. It is no accident he got to 300 wickets faster than anyone else. Kumble had actually much friendlier pitches in the 90s . Yet he couldn't get there that fast.

 

[Monsee]

But Doosra won't look magical and dramatic like Carrom ball when you get it right because it doesn't turn square. Probably it would kiss the edge. Besides the point Ashwin has grand total of 5 different type of deliveries not just Carrom ball. Off spin, Side spinner, Floater, Top spinner, Carrom Ball. It is no accident he got to 300 wickets faster than anyone else. Kumble had actually much friendlier pitches in the 90s . Yet he couldn't get there that fast.

How many of them wickets outside India and Asia and at what average and strike rate?

Does India even have confidence to play him in their team outside Asia since he is the greatest thing since sliced bread?

 

[Monsee]

Based on the replies so far in this thread and the general obnoxious behavior of BCCI...I doubt he will get tested any time soon.

Yet, at every corner we get lectured about spirit of fair play and all, noiice!

 

[jnaveen1980]

How many of them wickets outside India and Asia and at what average and strike rate?

Does India even have confidence to play him in their team outside Asia since he is the greatest thing since sliced bread?

Very very small sample to judge him abroad. HE did well in CT 2015 in England. Playing in India doesn't mean automatically you will get wickets. You have to earn them. You don't dismiss Sangakkara 4 times in 2tests in his home ground without some kind of skill.

 

[Monsee]

Very very small sample to judge him abroad. HE did well in CT 2015 in England. Playing in India doesn't mean automatically you will get wickets. You have to earn them. You don't dismiss Sangakkara 4 times in 2tests in his home ground without some kind of skill.

Small sample set due to the team leadership knowing he can do jack, not because India doesn't play enough tests outside Asia...no wonder in 9 tests in non-spin friendly conditions (against stronger teams) his average and SR shots up twice or more compared to his career averages!

Every batsman gets out to a certain bowler several times irrespective if that bowler is good or not e.g. Razzaq and Azhar Mehmood each getting him out 6 times each, so not sure how much one can read in to Sanga getting out against him 4 times. By that time it looked as if he couldnt wait to retire and get out of the team

 

[jnaveen1980]

Small sample set due to the team leadership knowing he can do jack, not because India doesn't play enough tests outside Asia...no wonder in 9 tests in non-spin friendly conditions (against stronger teams) his average and SR shots up twice or more compared to his career averages!

Every batsman gets out to a certain bowler several times irrespective if that bowler is good or not e.g. Razzaq and Azhar Mehmood each getting him out 6 times each, so not sure how much one can read in to Sanga getting out against him 4 times. By that time it looked as if he couldnt wait to retire and get out of the team

Except Ashwin is no random bowler you would "accidentally" get out to. He is the fastest to reach 100 wickets since anyone debuted after 1935. Fastest to get to 300. You don't equate to random bowlers like Razzaq, Mahmood, Hansie Cronje. Sangakkara was in the middle of crazy form. First INdia. Second non friendly conditions. Ashwin is not the first bowler to bowl on so called "helpful" conditions. Warne, Murali neither of them have great records in India.

 

[ipl_fan]

For people on PP, the world revolves around Ashwin's bowling action. Something nobody outside Pakistan talks about.

 

[Monsee]

For people on PP, the world revolves around Ashwin's bowling action. Something nobody outside Pakistan talks about.

So just because the whole world turns a blind eye to a suspicious action (some deliveries for sure), that means it must be ok for him to continue to fool everyone?

Why do you think Harbhajan has not been reported despite Bedi and several others saying he def chucks? Ojha comes to mind as well, he was only reported on the domestic scene, not on the Int'l circuit.

 

[dauntless]

He can do whatever he wants, chucking carrom ball leg spin doosra anything epic phainty is coming to his ways.
#no mercy
Go proteas destroy HTBs

 

[Itachi]

How many of them wickets outside India and Asia and at what average and strike rate?

Does India even have confidence to play him in their team outside Asia since he is the greatest thing since sliced bread?

This is the insecurity that desi people has. Be it Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi.... Doesn't matter.

As long as it doesn't involve some foreign aspects, undermine anything.

If a good is made of USA, it'll be like "OMG OMG!!!! it's from USA!!!! it'll be the best!!!!"

Why we can't appreciate if it doesn't involve a foriegn aspect?

I certainly won't undermine a bowler be it indian or Pakistani or Bangladeshi.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

This is the insecurity that desi people has. Be it Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi.... Doesn't matter.

As long as it doesn't involve some foreign aspects, undermine anything.

If a good is made of USA, it'll be like "OMG OMG!!!! it's from USA!!!! it'll be the best!!!!"

Why we can't appreciate if it doesn't involve a foriegn aspect?

I certainly won't undermine a bowler be it indian or Pakistani or Bangladeshi.

This.

Also, this has become one of the tests of cricketing acumen:

folks who accuse Ashwin of chucking, citing that one example where he did it deliberately to make a point, know neither cricket nor cricketing context.

 

[Oligochaetes]

There was some info in an article online that he is about to start bowling leg spin (the whole bag of tricks and all) as well...isn't this interesting that he is all of sudden deiciding to become a leg spinner?

And rather ironic as well that this is happening right after Ajmal has just retired!

Isn't that another way to deflect from the fact that he might be about to start bowling 'Doosras' and also what happened to the claim (by most Indians) that no bowler can legally bowl a Doosra?

Debate!

You should have read the whole article and not just the main headline. He has been practicing genuine leg spin bowling since the last two years. He hasn't bowled any in actual match situation so far.

 

[Monsee]

You should have read the whole article and not just the main headline. He has been practicing genuine leg spin bowling since the last two years. He hasn't bowled any in actual match situation so far.

And you deduced this brilliant observation on your own or you got help from Indian fans association as well?

I read the whole thing, whether he has been practicing it for 2 years, been working with another ex-player/coach etc. it still does not mean he will be bowling the leg break (from the front of the hand) in a legal manner!

I mean if that was so easy to just practice for a while and voilla now you are master of any type of deliveries without resorting to chucking etc. then why there has been no bowlers before him who thought of this?

I believe he will try to take advantage of BCCI's weight/influence on others by bowling which ever way these new balls knowing fully well no umpire will dare call him out lest he wants to take the chance of getting blacklisted!

 

[Monsee]

This is the insecurity that desi people has. Be it Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi.... Doesn't matter.

As long as it doesn't involve some foreign aspects, undermine anything.

If a good is made of USA, it'll be like "OMG OMG!!!! it's from USA!!!! it'll be the best!!!!"

Why we can't appreciate if it doesn't involve a foriegn aspect?

I certainly won't undermine a bowler be it indian or Pakistani or Bangladeshi.

Before you put words in my mouth, my main reasoning was this point 'Does India even have confidence to play him in their team outside Asia since he is the greatest thing since sliced bread?'

You picked the wrong point to attack me...I won't undermine his performances in India as long as he can show us some sort of a decent run outside Asia where a spin bowler's real mettle gets tested and is put on display for all to see. So far all he has shown is a tendency to dominate the really weak teams or on wickets that help the spin bowlers a lot. As soon as one or both those conditions are absent, he gets find out so much so that Jadeja is preferred over him in the team!

 

[Abhilash93]

This is probably from a County match a few months ago :

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[Oligochaetes]

And you deduced this brilliant observation on your own or you got help from Indian fans association as well?

I read the whole thing, whether he has been practicing it for 2 years, been working with another ex-player/coach etc. it still does not mean he will be bowling the leg break (from the front of the hand) in a legal manner!

I mean if that was so easy to just practice for a while and voilla now you are master of any type of deliveries without resorting to chucking etc. then why there has been no bowlers before him who thought of this?

I believe he will try to take advantage of BCCI's weight/influence on others by bowling which ever way these new balls knowing fully well no umpire will dare call him out lest he wants to take the chance of getting blacklisted!

He has been practicing Wrist spin. Not a new version of "doosra". Even Tendulkar used to bowl leg spin and off spin, so it's nothing new.

Sachin Tendulkar bowled both legspin and offspin. Sometimes in the same spell he used to bowl offspin to left-hand batsmen and legspin to right-hand batsmen. And bowl well. If Sachin could, why not a specialist bowler? Of course he was a part-timer so that means Ashwin would have to work that much harder."

Whether he has the courage to use it in match situation is a different issue.

 

[Bhaijaan]

For someone who is not a sharp turner of the ball and requires bit of help from the wicket, Ashwin has made the most of his opportunities through his calculative mind, discipline and innovativeness. Ashwin is honestly my favourite cricketer in the world since some time. Be it bowling or batting, I just love how he applies himself to get the best out of his apparent limitations. If anyone can’t respect his honesty towards his game and the will to improve, he’s just a sad individual.

 

[Rishikesh]

He already bowled few proper leg spinning deliveries in few test matches, I think he is practicing hard to make it better

 

[cricketjoshila]

And you deduced this brilliant observation on your own or you got help from Indian fans association as well?

I read the whole thing, whether he has been practicing it for 2 years, been working with another ex-player/coach etc. it still does not mean he will be bowling the leg break (from the front of the hand) in a legal manner!

I mean if that was so easy to just practice for a while and voilla now you are master of any type of deliveries without resorting to chucking etc. then why there has been no bowlers before him who thought of this?

I believe he will try to take advantage of BCCI's weight/influence on others by bowling which ever way these new balls knowing fully well no umpire will dare call him out lest he wants to take the chance of getting blacklisted!

And what makes you think that what you believe is right? The article mentions Leg Spin not doosra or any other delivery.

There is a first for everything.Saqlain started the doosra, now why didnt abyone bowl the doosra before him or couldnot bowl the doosra legally since then?How did a team play 3 spinners and still won series in England and WI? Why no one could do what Warne or Tendulkar or Wasim could do in cricket?Just because no one did it before doesnt mean no one can do it now.

Your belief doesnt make anyone guilty of illegal things.But ofcourse you are so insecured, so terrified that he may succeed that you are trying to discredit him already.

 

[Monsee]

And what makes you think that what you believe is right? The article mentions Leg Spin not doosra or any other delivery.

There is a first for everything.Saqlain started the doosra, now why didnt abyone bowl the doosra before him or couldnot bowl the doosra legally since then?How did a team play 3 spinners and still won series in England and WI? Why no one could do what Warne or Tendulkar or Wasim could do in cricket?Just because no one did it before doesnt mean no one can do it now.

Your belief doesnt make anyone guilty of illegal things.But ofcourse you are so insecured, so terrified that he may succeed that you are trying to discredit him already.

Yawn, I knew this boring lecture will come at some point!

After being given statements upon stamenets that no one can bowl the doosra legally, now Indian fans are taking the 'other side' on their stand since now Mr. Sher in Ghar and Out of Team outside Asia is involved in here!

Either no one can bowl doosra legally is true or you guys were all lying, pick your battles here with some character for a change...also this part is something most of you simpletons probably missed in that article "Kedar says he can now bowl the legbreak, wrong'un, topsinner and the slider out of the front of the hand."

That is really interesting since 1-2of these are bowled from back of hand and not the other way around...so in trying to bowl them the other way, he must have modified his bowling action to deliver the ball successfully. Since India/BCCI are the biggest black mailers in cricket, let's see what happens when some poor chap (umpire) finally gets the courage to call him on his action. I fear a Mike Denniss 2 episode will be unfolding soon

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yawn, I knew this boring lecture will come at some point!

Lies caught.

After being given statements upon stamenets that no one can bowl the doosra legally, now Indian fans are taking the 'other side' on their stand since now Mr. Sher in Ghar and Out of Team outside Asia is involved in here!

Who said he is bowling doosra?He is bowling proper leg spin.

Either no one can bowl doosra legally is true or you guys were all lying, pick your battles here with some character for a change...also this part is something most of you simpletons probably missed in that article "Kedar says he can now bowl the legbreak, wrong'un, topsinner and the slider out of the front of the hand."

That is really interesting since 1-2of these are bowled from back of hand and not the other way around...so in trying to bowl them the other way, he must have modified his bowling action to deliver the ball successfully. Since India/BCCI are the biggest black mailers in cricket, let's see what happens when some poor chap (umpire) finally gets the courage to call him on his action. I fear a Mike Denniss 2 episode will be unfolding soon

He is bowling leg spin and not doosra. Googly, Slider, Top Spinner can all be bowled legally and two of them are bowled from the front of the hand.

Any proof that he is chucking these deliveries?Any at all?

I am enjoying this insecurity and fear of yours regarding Ashwin. Poor You.

 

[jnaveen1980]

How hard it is to tell whether someone is bowling leg spin or doosra. You cannot bowl leg spin with chucking action if that is what being implied. Ashwin is downright against chuckers. Suggesting he will chuck and ICC will over look is nothing but wild imagination.

 

[giri26]

The amount of attack Ashwin gets from everyone makes you feel that subcontinent produced loads of spinners who were brilliant outside Asia. Subcontinent Spinners have always felt tough bowling outside Asia and have struggled through their careers. Ashwin is being singled out for no reason. If he does not perform outside Asia he will be dropped and rightfully so.

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[Monsee]

The amount of attack Ashwin gets from everyone makes you feel that subcontinent produced loads of spinners who were brilliant outside Asia. Subcontinent Spinners have always felt tough bowling outside Asia and have struggled through their careers. Ashwin is being singled out for no reason. If he does not perform outside Asia he will be dropped and rightfully so.

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As if LOL!

 

[Hitman]

Lies caught.


Who said he is bowling doosra?He is bowling proper leg spin.



He is bowling leg spin and not doosra. Googly, Slider, Top Spinner can all be bowled legally and two of them are bowled from the front of the hand.

Any proof that he is chucking these deliveries?Any at all?

I am enjoying this insecurity and fear of yours regarding Ashwin. Poor You.

What's most hilarious is how neither one of them has any reply to the outstanding bowling average of 50 odd away from home of their supposedly greatest leg spinner of all time Abdul Qadir

 

[OmarKhan99]

But Doosra won't look magical and dramatic like Carrom ball when you get it right because it doesn't turn square. Probably it would kiss the edge. Besides the point Ashwin has grand total of 5 different type of deliveries not just Carrom ball. Off spin, Side spinner, Floater, Top spinner, Carrom Ball. It is no accident he got to 300 wickets faster than anyone else. Kumble had actually much friendlier pitches in the 90s . Yet he couldn't get there that fast.

Dramatic???? It's bowled with a completely different action, my friend. You use the middle finger to spin the bowl in the opposite direction and anyone who has played street cricket in Pakistan or anywhere else (Saudi Arabia in my case) can personally vouch for how easily discernible it is. If a bowl is bowled that turns in the opposite direction but has a very minimal difference in action, that would be dramatic. In this case, that's the doosra. Anyways, my comparison of the doosra and carrom ball wasn't meant to devolve into how good a bowler Ashwin is. He is a class bowler. But that doesn't mean he has superior variety. Saqlain Mushtaq and Saeed Ajmal were magicians and it's a shame that both never quite completed their career.

 

[shahman1980]

kumble reincarnated

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/6208/introducing-r-ashwin-the-leg-spinner

finally Ashwin bowls legspin with some control
feel this is going to make him more dangerous on some pitches.

 

[badsha001]

Another bit and piece player... Bhai seedha seedha off spin karle

 

[Napa]

I've played bowlers in my school who bowl it. it's quite easily discernible. Amla is just not that great player of spin.

I find it a bit hard to believe that you are a better player of spin than Amla.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It may work with off spin. As a leg spin this is ineffective way of bowling. He has to have side on action to impart turn. His carrom ball turns more than this.

 

[giri26]

Ashwin should work on his Off Spinners instead of trying to bowl leggies. He has a great chance of getting to 400 test wickets and he should not mess it up by trying too many things. He had lost his place in the team because of the same reason. As long as he has a good offie, the other things are not needed. Also knowing how his fitness is, it is better for him to concentrate on tests alone. We have Kuldeep, Chahal and now Sundar in the team for the shorter formats.

 

[The_Odd_One]

He should try wicket keeping.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ashwin should work on his Off Spinners instead of trying to bowl leggies. He has a great chance of getting to 400 test wickets and he should not mess it up by trying too many things. He had lost his place in the team because of the same reason. As long as he has a good offie, the other things are not needed. Also knowing how his fitness is, it is better for him to concentrate on tests alone. We have Kuldeep, Chahal and now Sundar in the team for the shorter formats.

He is getting deseperate as wrist spinners have replaced him. Sundar's impressive performance makes his come back into ODIs even harder. Now he has IPL and Tests. So i suppose he is scared of losing Test spot as well. Having said that Ashwin is not a one trick phony. That is why he has come this far in Tests.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I don't get why all the PPers are going berserk about Ashwin bowling Legspin. He lost his place in LOIs and as any professional, he's learning and trying new tricks of the trade to get back into LOIs. Weather he succeeds or not is secondary, but he's atleast trying something out of his comfort zone and I appreciate his determination. People calling him bits and pieces bowler should understand that He's the 4th ranked Test bowler and top test allrounder for a reason. No matter how you guys troll him or any player who's working hard to get back into the national team by learning new tricks, deserves respect. Let's respect his efforts.

 

[Oligochaetes]

I appreciate his efforts to learn and improve his skill set. He is really trying hard. Good to see.

 

[Spectrum]

Ashwin is finished now. Batsmans
started picking his variations. He is lucky to be fastest ever bowler to take 300 wickets. But I'm not sure he will complete even 450 test wickets as young spinners like Kuldeep,Chahal and even Sundar are challenging him.

 

[BlackShadow]

Ashwin thinks he can overcome his limitations as an ODI bowler by adding more variety. Not really.

 

[CanadianG00se]

It seems his leg spin have not been working for him so far

43.3 overs for 1/129 against Vidarbha.

 

[Bhaijaan]

One of the most hard working, disciplined and wholehearted cricketers in the world. Never understood why he often is the target of so much unjust criticism. Yes he is not anywhere near as prolific abroad as he is in India but it's mostly got to do with his style I'd bowling not getting much help from conditions. He still gives his best and puts the ball in the right areas. He's obviously not a huge turner of the ball and that will always come in his way getting a lot of wickets abroad. At least he tries his best which is not what you can say for everyone.

 

[fitCricFan]

I think one reason RC gets flak is because he is seen as the reason for India's loss to Pak in CT. From what I read, he wasn't picked to be in the original 11 by VK but the team mgmt had other thoughts
Since then his career had been stagnant and this is another attempt by him to get back. Yes he is very committed and kudos for trying to do something very different

 

[Rishta Aunty]

Gotta admire a player for constantly trying to improve themselves; Ashwin seems to be a thinking cricketer which bodes well for him in coming back from a pasting in the last big game he played (CT Final)

Two points based on reading the thread:
1. There's a difference between the Doosra and the Carrom ball. Both go away from the right-handed batsman (like a leg-spinning delivery), but the way they are delivered is pretty different. The Doosra in my opinion cannot be delivered without going over the 15-degree bending limit: examples of players to be banned for the doosra are Ajmal and Harbhajan. The Carrom ball on the other hand, is delivered by flicking the ball with your fingers, similar to a tennis ball used for street cricket. There's no question of the legality. However, the doosra spins significantly more, which the Carrom ball on non-helpful surfaces is more akin to an arm ball that goes straight. I don't think Ashwin chucks except for that one game, where he came out and said that he was going to do that to prove a point.

2. The idea to bowl actual leg spin sounds like a terrible decision. Anyone who has actually played the game would know that the body shapes of off/leg spin are totally different and practically incompatible with each other. Ashwin became a better test spinner (and worse ODI spinner), after he made changes to his action and rhythm. I can't see how he can bowl leg-spin without it affecting his off-spin. It could be a double-whammy: a rubbish leg-spinner and an ineffective off-spinner. Which would be sad considering that there's an absolute lack of half-decent legal finger-spinners in the world today.

 

[WengerOut]

Even Dhoni does not want him and that tells a story.

 

[gani999]

Why do you think Harbhajan has not been reported despite Bedi and several others saying he def chucks? Ojha comes to mind as well, he was only reported on the domestic scene, not on the Int'l circuit.

There is a reason why Harbhajan and Ojha don't play for India any longer. The last thing BCCI wants is to have one of its bowlers exposed in an international or bilateral tournament.

Whatever one may say about the BCCI, they have a very commendable zero-tolerance policy when it comes to cricketing rules and discipline. The BCCI's message to Indian players is this - Sc**ew up, no matter how lightly, and your cricketing career goes into the garbage bin.

Azahruddin, one of our finest batsmen, got involved in the match fixing scandal and never played a game for India again, despite the courts giving him a clean chit. Same with Manoj Prabhakar, Ajay Jadeja, Sreesanth and the others. They will never wear the Indian jersey again and can consider themselves lucky even if they get to within 100 yards of any dressing room.

Rather unlike other boards where known chuckers still play international games and convicted match fixers go into hibernation for a few years, only to return and represent their country again.

If Ashwin had been chucking, he wouldn't be playing for India, plain and simple.

 

[Savage]

I think one reason RC gets flak is because he is seen as the reason for India's loss to Pak in CT. From what I read, he wasn't picked to be in the original 11 by VK but the team mgmt had other thoughts
Since then his career had been stagnant and this is another attempt by him to get back. Yes he is very committed and kudos for trying to do something very different

Add WT 2016.Heading into that WC Ashwin was in great form but as tournament progressed,his performance regressed.That semi final loss against WI was a low point for him who as a spinner took a wicket of no ball and bowled only 2 overs in that match.The fact that it was Kohli who bowled final over defending 8 runs against WI in semi final instead of India's lead spinner Ashwin sums up his T20 WC campaign.

 

[fitCricFan]

Add WT 2016.Heading into that WC Ashwin was in great form but as tournament progressed,his performance regressed.That semi final loss against WI was a low point for him who as a spinner took a wicket of no ball and bowled only 2 overs in that match.The fact that it was Kohli who bowled final over defending 8 runs against WI in semi final instead of India's lead spinner Ashwin sums up his T20 WC campaign.

Yes, I agree. Kudos to RA though for trying to do something different and make enough of a difference to get noted and play for India again
Requires a lot of comittment and hard work
Hope he pulls it off.

 

[Savage]

Yes, I agree. Kudos to RA though for trying to do something different and make enough of a difference to get noted and play for India again
Requires a lot of comittment and hard work
Hope he pulls it off.

Yup.Ashwin also been biggest match-winner in this Indian Test team.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Checked the vidarbha match, they got 800 Wasim Jaffer still dominating domestics even at 40

 

[redmaverik84]

Its all about survival for RA. And he is a fighter, he understands the skillset he has is not good enough to come back to the LOI team. While I really doubt if he is gonna bowl legspin in international cricket except as a surprise delivery, I appreciate what he is doing. Unfortunately is on the wane and there is no way back in the LOI team for him. As far as tests are concerned, he is still India's best bet along with RA on Day 4-5 tracks in India due to 2 reasons, one his accuracy and ability to pitch at the same spot every ball and let the pitch do the trick ( i believe his loop and dip is being affected due to the various variations he tries) and secondly because i dont think Indian selectors will have the guts to drop the World No. 1 or thereabouts bowler and try a leg spinner Kuldeep or Chahal unless either of RA or RJ is injured.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Its all about survival for RA. And he is a fighter, he understands the skillset he has is not good enough to come back to the LOI team. While I really doubt if he is gonna bowl legspin in international cricket except as a surprise delivery, I appreciate what he is doing. Unfortunately is on the wane and there is no way back in the LOI team for him. As far as tests are concerned, he is still India's best bet along with RA on Day 4-5 tracks in India due to 2 reasons, one his accuracy and ability to pitch at the same spot every ball and let the pitch do the trick ( i believe his loop and dip is being affected due to the various variations he tries) and secondly because i dont think Indian selectors will have the guts to drop the World No. 1 or thereabouts bowler and try a leg spinner Kuldeep or Chahal unless either of RA or RJ is injured.

Anyone is a beast on these Indian day 4/5 tracks. Even Aussie spinners won a game on one of these turning tracks.

As most people are predicting, as soon as Chahal or Kuldeep get a consistent run in Test XI they'll take Ashwin/Jadeja's place.