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It's my Debut Post but I have been following this website regularly since 2 years.
Pakistan has been renowned of producing genuine fast bowlers starting with Imran Khan , Waseem , Waqar , Mohamaad Zahid , Shoaib Akhtar , Mohammad Sami , Mohammad Amir . These are the face of Pakistan fast bowling history. Fazal Mehmood and Sarfraz Nawaz were medium fast to fast medium , while Asif was fast medium in start then became abit medium fast but the most skilful and difficult bowler because of having magic in his fingers and wrist of swinging as well as seeming ball especially the wobbly seam seaming phenomèna is distinct only with this magician . I wish he comes back .
Let's now count on what we have now ?

1. Sadaf Hussain
He is talented he is accurate he has a very impressive record he deserves to wear the green blazer but when ? Immediately ? No . Why not ? Because he will come and go . He is medium fast but he is not mohammad asif , what he needs to do ? He needs fitness . Sadaf has to strengthen his shoulders , thighs , calves and biceps and triceps by muscular exercises in Gym backed my high protein diet to get into shape like Adam milne , boult or starc . Then he needs to do swimming as well as targetted running to build his stamenna . This way he will become a Fast medium bowler who will be bowling between 135kph to 142kph. Them his accuracy and swing will help him survive in international cricket with success and longetivity of a career rather then being a one match wonder and then sidelined. In international cricket these days neither you use the grays ball nor it's green moist wickets of winter of Northern cricket. So he needs to increase his pace by 5 to 8kph atleast. And he can do it . He has the talent and ability to be succesful .

Now what are we lacking in our team ? In both tests and one day ? Right arm fast bowler .
Ok so now do not get shocked at what I have to say
Who is the fastest right arm baller in pakistan ? It is mohammad Sami still majority would agree but he is 33 34 if he is recalled if , chances are grim though , he can play maximum 2 years. But the question is if not he than who ?
Atif Jabbar is the Answer.
Atif Jabbar is the second fastest right arm fast bowler in pakistan . Many would say it's Ahmed jamal or bilawal bhatti but in my opinion it's Atif Jabbar. Why I say that ? 2 years back when it was the debut of Dera murad Jamali team in T20 cup I saw a spell of Atif when DMJ played against Abbotabad Falcons .
In those 4 overs spell Yasir Hameed was hot twice on his body by Atif's bouncers beaten by shear pace , and twice younis khan missed his Backfoot punch outside offstump beaten by pace and keeper took the ball at shoulder height .
Now there was no speed gun there but he was bowling between 142 to 148kph according to me . I have watched almost all televised domestic matches of last 5 odd years . Watched Ahmed jamal and bhatti aswell. But to the naked eye they don't seem faster then him although I know bhatti clocked 149 in SA But mostly he bowls fast medium not fast.
Atif has better run up then bhatti and Ahmad jamal and better action. Ahmed jamal is tall but he falls to his left while delivering so he does not maximise his height and is not accurate enough .
Stats do not tell you everything .
Atif is from some suburb of sheikhupura and he has not got much oppurtunity in domestic only few FC and limited over matches. He plays for SNGPL now but last season he could only get 2 FC games due to the presence of Asad Ali and bilawal bhatti etc in SNGPL Preferred due to experience etc
In 3,4 list A games in gold cup he got 7 or 9 wickets.
He being from the area he belongs did not have luxury like pindi Lahore khi players of getting oppurtunity in regional teams and UBL and dera murad Jamali gave him chance .
He should be called to NCA and trained under a qualified trainer and quality bowling coach for 2 months with proper sports nutrition and training he can become genuine fast bowler with average speed of 88 to 90 miles per hour and bowling between 145kph to 150 152kph if he is worked on . I remember after that T20 cup mohammad Wasim too pointed out at him that he has potential and speed comes natural to him he should be called to NCA , even he talked with " HAJI " but he did not call him while other 7,8 players got calls from NCA . If anyone at PAKPASSION can get that video of ATIF in orange kit of DMJ vs Abbotabad majority would agree with me . That video is only with PTV SPORTS , hope anyone gets that and posts it here.

3 . Ali Imran Pasha
He is a fast medium bowler. His stats esp strike rate and average is impressive too. 2,3 years ago he was the second highest wicket taker in president trophy and was close to national team selection but he had a mild injury and he played the final of trophy when he should have been tested forcefully by team management he risked his carrier as final is broadcasted on tv . And his mild injury became serious injury ruling him out of cricket for 2,3 years then he made comeback last season with impressive figures he played 3,4 matches lesser than other fast bowlers in silver league but he had the best strike rate and average and ended in top 5 I guess . Ali imran pasha was seen with talent while he represented pak under 19 in wc. He is tall , lanky and accurate and he bowls around 137 to 142 kph range. But overall faster than ehsan adil for instance . But Ehsan Adil is also a bright prospect he gets injured as his body has not developed yet and Ehsan is a future asset too.

Nobody takes the names of Atif Jabbar and Ali imran pasha naked eye can tell or tv camera can tell whether to see stats of tabish khan Asad Ali Imran khan Ahmed jamal etc or to have the eye and pick talent who can serve better internationally .
Waqar shoaib waseem zahid etc they did not have stats like sadaf , asad ali , Sami ullah niazi etc but look how they fared internationally.
 
1. sadaf hussain
2. tabish khan
3. shahzad azam rana
4. najaf shah
5. mir hamza
6. zia ul haq
7. taj wali
8. usman shinwari
9. 17 year old mohammad irfan
10. hazrat shah
11. ali imran pasha
12. ahmed jamal
13. atif jabbar
14. abdul ameer
15. babar khan
16. azizullah
17. mohammad aftab
18. hasan ali
19. ikramullah
20. manzoor khan
21. kaleem sana
22. jamshed ahmed
23. nasir malik
24. majid ali
25. mansoor ahmed
26. mohammad rameez
27. adil raza
28. azhar attari
29. mohammad abbas
30. attaullah
 
[MENTION=137886]Blue_eyes[/MENTION]
Out of the 30 you have mentioned I rate Shehzad azam rana , mir hamza , mohammad abbass , mohammad aftab only other than Atif and Ali imran .
There is something different in mohammad irfan aswell may be he is pacy that's why called in a training camp by pcb despite being 17,18 while all other fast bowlers are in late 20's so he might be pacy .
Mohammad Umar the Lahore boy will be a prospect too if his medical problems are sorted out and get cured .

But
If anyone of you can get 4overs spell video of Atif Jabbar vs Abbotabad falcons match held 1.5 years ago I guess , posts it here . Than the same thing will happen with Atif as Saj and pakpassion highlighted irfan and he came to limelight. Unfortunately with irfan his massive structure and fitness issues did not help him . But when he was in rhythm and fit example in India in South Africa he was a force .
 
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] watch out for kaleem sana and hazrat shah also they are young bright prospects especialy kaleem sana.
 
Taj Wali is good aswell
Majid needs to increase his pace like sadaf because he is a swing bowler too.
What Dale Stein is as a swing bowler is not just swing but accuracy and pace aswell . Otherwise see the dip in philander after 2,3 years whereas fake stein has good 6,7 years throughout because of out swing at pace , reverse swing , accuracy.
James Anderson spell vs pakistan in wc 2003 was a gem because it was swing at 90mph .
 
Just curious, how much was his speed from your opinion, from naked eye (I assume no speed gun was available)?

He looked quick and think he could improve his pace if he fixes a few things.

Probs 85-89mph

Even M.Wasim was impressed.
 
Taj Wali is the most impressive pacer with what i have seen. Looking forward to see him in future
 
[MENTION=137886]Blue_eyes[/MENTION]
Out of the 30 you have mentioned I rate Shehzad azam rana , mir hamza , mohammad abbass , mohammad aftab only other than Atif and Ali imran .
There is something different in mohammad irfan aswell may be he is pacy that's why called in a training camp by pcb despite being 17,18 while all other fast bowlers are in late 20's so he might be pacy .
Mohammad Umar the Lahore boy will be a prospect too if his medical problems are sorted out and get cured .

But
If anyone of you can get 4overs spell video of Atif Jabbar vs Abbotabad falcons match held 1.5 years ago I guess , posts it here . Than the same thing will happen with Atif as Saj and pakpassion highlighted irfan and he came to limelight. Unfortunately with irfan his massive structure and fitness issues did not help him . But when he was in rhythm and fit example in India in South Africa he was a force .

Pardon my ignorance, but which other bowlers are taking part in this camp and when is it happening or has it already taken place?
 
Best Right Arm Pacers from Pakistan

Ali Imran Pasha- Actions a bit like Shane Bond.

Mohammed Ali- Has List A economy under 4 rpo.

Attaullah- Bit of a dodgy action- Gets a lot of bounce

Ehsan Adil- Hasnt impressed in international cricket as of yet, Still work in progress
 
[MENTION=18398]IAJ[/MENTION]
Hassan Ali , Karamat Ali , Ammad Butt , Waqas Maqsood ,
Mohammad Irfan , Bilal Asif , Najaf Shah and Babar Rehman are the Bowlers who have been called by National Selection Commitee at NCA for fitness test/Trials for Emerging Players Program.
 
Mohammad Ali is good aswell and bowls in between 134kph to 142kph. He is good too.
Yes Ataullah is pacy too but his action has got flex beyond 7.5 degrees. Can anybody tell whether the fast bowler has to be under 15 degrees or under 7.5 or 5 degrees ? I think rules were different in shoaib's era and now changed abit wrt fast bowlers
 
Quaid e Azam trophy silver league 2014-2015
Ali Imran Pasha
7 matches 38 wickets at an average of 14.75 and strike rate of 29.5
The best average and strike rate of a fast bowler in silver and gold league with TWO 5 wickets hall and and TWO 10 wickets hall.

Can [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=56866]Bullet Drive[/MENTION] [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=60994]sa[/MENTION]kks [MENTION=134585]salahudin[/MENTION] give there opinion ?
 
Ali Imran was not selected for pentangular cup
This is the the level of intellectual honesty in Pcb and selectors ?
Let's see whether He gets a place in Sialkot stallion or not ?

It's not the dearth of talent in Pakistan cricket , it is indeed the lack of merit , imjustice , bias , dishonesty that is ruining our cricket.

and yes domestic structure needs to be improved Should be made competitive. For which the best roadmap lies with Mr.Majid Khan who presented it in detail on a sports TV along with his son bazid.

Full fledge structure with a background and thought process of years.

But This PCB setup won't allow that to be accepted and implemented.

Wakeup Pcb
 
why would pcb do right , you see there are thousands of people working in pcb , the rupees that are spent on players are very little as compared to pcb members
 
Look at the run up , follow through , height , action , accuracy , inswing outswing with kookaburra ball in the bowling videos of Ali Imran Pasha and his speed as a 18 19 years old baller in the videos posted above.

Yet he could not get a game for Pakistan or Pakistan A in last 7 years. And not considered good enough for pentangular cup or training camp of upcoming players.

I think his crime is that he does not whin on media and doesn't pressurise this way

Same goes for Mohammad abbass , atif jabbar , mohammad ali

And then people here complain that our pacers can't swing the ball and are trundlers etc.

Although the problem is politics bias incompetency and injustice and the players who deserve to be selected are not selected and also electronic media has a big role as well , the people on TV should be well versed with the deserving players and they should have knowledge of domestic cricket like many non cricketers and non media persons have here on this great forum while our media has only akmals shehzads Faisal iqbals toufeeq Umars imran farhats aizaz cheemas tabish khans to say zayati zayati zayati
Huhhh
 
Look at the run up , follow through , height , action , accuracy , inswing outswing with kookaburra ball in the bowling videos of Ali Imran Pasha and his speed as a 18 19 years old baller in the videos posted above.

Yet he could not get a game for Pakistan or Pakistan A in last 7 years. And not considered good enough for pentangular cup or training camp of upcoming players.

I think his crime is that he does not whin on media and doesn't pressurise this way

Same goes for Mohammad abbass , atif jabbar , mohammad ali

And then people here complain that our pacers can't swing the ball and are trundlers etc.

Although the problem is politics bias incompetency and injustice and the players who deserve to be selected are not selected and also electronic media has a big role as well , the people on TV should be well versed with the deserving players and they should have knowledge of domestic cricket like many non cricketers and non media persons have here on this great forum while our media has only akmals shehzads Faisal iqbals toufeeq Umars imran farhats aizaz cheemas tabish khans to say zayati zayati zayati
Huhhh

Got to agree, pasha is impressive and i hv seen jabbar aswell. He was raw but had that pharakk
 
Look at the run up , follow through , height , action , accuracy , inswing outswing with kookaburra ball in the bowling videos of Ali Imran Pasha and his speed as a 18 19 years old baller in the videos posted above.

Yet he could not get a game for Pakistan or Pakistan A in last 7 years. And not considered good enough for pentangular cup or training camp of upcoming players.

I think his crime is that he does not whin on media and doesn't pressurise this way

Same goes for Mohammad abbass , atif jabbar , mohammad ali

And then people here complain that our pacers can't swing the ball and are trundlers etc.

Although the problem is politics bias incompetency and injustice and the players who deserve to be selected are not selected and also electronic media has a big role as well , the people on TV should be well versed with the deserving players and they should have knowledge of domestic cricket like many non cricketers and non media persons have here on this great forum while our media has only akmals shehzads Faisal iqbals toufeeq Umars imran farhats aizaz cheemas tabish khans to say zayati zayati zayati
Huhhh

It is shameful that guys like ehsan adil, anwar Ali n bhatti HV been preferred when we had pasha. Not to forget akhtar ayub had real potential that has never been realized
 
I like this thread and post, well written
Ali Pasha impressed me during the final of under 19 2004, and he had everything , hight pace and good action but may be he is not serious or injury prone, he has not been consistently playing for PIA or any other team, he must be in late 20s now already.

I also liked another right arm fast bowler in 2008 under 19 WC from Pak, Adil Raza. Hd good action runup and phasique. Has been playing domestic cricket, now for UBL. Stats has been OK, not outstanding. Have not seen him playing live or any new vidie clip, anyone has any opinion about him ?
 
adil raza plays for UBL , the first impression was in 2008 U-19 world cup, he swung the ball a lot
 
I like this thread and post, well written
Ali Pasha impressed me during the final of under 19 2004, and he had everything , hight pace and good action but may be he is not serious or injury prone, he has not been consistently playing for PIA or any other team, he must be in late 20s now already.

I also liked another right arm fast bowler in 2008 under 19 WC from Pak, Adil Raza. Hd good action runup and phasique. Has been playing domestic cricket, now for UBL. Stats has been OK, not outstanding. Have not seen him playing live or any new vidie clip, anyone has any opinion about him ?

Is he that 120 kph trundler that played for Lahore lions in the champion's league?
 
[MENTION=138241]axl100mph[/MENTION]
No that poor man right arm sohail tanveer is asif raza also a so called allrounder.
Adil raza bowls around mid to late 130's
[MENTION=135183]Pace90[/MENTION]
Ali Imran Pasha had a great last season and he was at the fringes of national selection 3 years ago then got a serious injury.
He is now fit and is 29 years old but he is a better option than ehsan adil, Mohammad talha, bilawal Bhatti, anwar ali, tabish Khan, shehzad Azam rana, imran khan and Umar Gul in both tests and odi's in my view.
He should be called to NCA
 
[MENTION=138241]axl100mph[/MENTION]
No that poor man right arm sohail tanveer is asif raza also a so called allrounder.
Adil raza bowls around mid to late 130's
[MENTION=135183]Pace90[/MENTION]
Ali Imran Pasha had a great last season and he was at the fringes of national selection 3 years ago then got a serious injury.
He is now fit and is 29 years old but he is a better option than ehsan adil, Mohammad talha, bilawal Bhatti, anwar ali, tabish Khan, shehzad Azam rana, imran khan and Umar Gul in both tests and odi's in my view.
He should be called to NCA

He has a similar run up and action to Mohammad zahid and seems to Have stronger fast twitch fiber muscles as can be seen from how much energy he has through the crease.
Seems like a taller more skillful version of bhatti

Don't know why I never heard or saw him before. I mean he is genuinely impressive.

We HV to campaign for him on pp
 
Ali Imran Pasha had a great last season and he was at the fringes of national selection 3 years ago then got a serious injury.
He is now fit and is 29 years old but he is a better option than ehsan adil, Mohammad talha, bilawal Bhatti, anwar ali, tabish Khan, shehzad Azam rana, imran khan and Umar Gul in both tests and odi's in my view.
He should be called to NCA[/QUOTE]

Yes, Ali IMran Pasah was selected for a three day match against England at UAE 2-3 years ago, he was in great form that season. Agree he is better than many others, if selected now, he can play 4-5 years for Pakistan , if remained fit. There is no serious right arm pacer is available at then moment.
 
If Taj Wali is not given exposure, he'll get lost and rot in the domestics.

As per Sheheryar, he was impressed from him. Then why on earth Taj wasn't selected for the A tour to SL?

He should be included against the ZIM.
 
[MENTION=135183]Pace90[/MENTION]
Yes you are right about Ali Imran resemblance with Mohammad zahid I hope Mohammad zahid watches his videos and write about him on his blog here on PP but question is who will let him know about Ali Imran ? [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION]
At the moment I rate Taj Wali higher than Zia Ul Haq , he should have been selected for A team tours instead of Zia

There is a big problem in Pakistan that we don't select players when they are at the peak of their career,s or if we select them at their peak we don't give them the time to shine and felt settled.
2 years ago we selected a 32 years old technically correct batsman who had scored 800 to 1000 plus runs in his last 4 seasons of quaid e Azam trophy, his name was Ayub Dogar , we gave him one match in srilanka where our team collapsed at 100 runs and he was top scorer with 25 runs. Then he was dropped after one game and never selected again. Is this justice to his 4years of hardwork ? When he got selected on merit than this is what you do with a player ? And sorry to say the print and electronic media and the pseudo analysts did not raise their voice at all, they only speak for the bhaanja Faisal iqbal
 
In last 2 FC seasons mohammad Abbass has taken 87 wickets in 14 Fc games at an Ave of 17.5 and a SR of 37.2 balls per wicket.

3 Tenfers

8 Fivefers

On the same Fc pitches whose status hasnt changed in last 10 years atleast Mohammad Abbass from 2009 to 2014 played 30 Fc games and took only 84 Fc wickets at average of 35 runs per wicket and a strike rate of 62 balls pet wicket.

Note :

Since the start of Amir's , Rahat's , Ehsan's , Imran Khan jnr's , Asad Ali's, Sadaf hussain's and Junaid Khan's start of FC career the state of domestic wickets and weather condition and time of QEA trophy is same.
 
In last 2 FC seasons mohammad Abbass has taken 87 wickets in 14 Fc games at an Ave of 17.5 and a SR of 37.2 balls per wicket.

3 Tenfers

8 Fivefers

On the same Fc pitches whose status hasnt changed in last 10 years atleast Mohammad Abbass from 2009 to 2014 played 30 Fc games and took only 84 Fc wickets at average of 35 runs per wicket and a strike rate of 62 balls pet wicket.

Note :

Since the start of Amir's , Rahat's , Ehsan's , Imran Khan jnr's , Asad Ali's, Sadaf hussain's and Junaid Khan's start of FC career the state of domestic wickets and weather condition and time of QEA trophy is same.

Bazid Khan has so many times mentioned that these stats need to be taken with a pinch of salt for so many reasons.

- Rampant ball tampering which takes place in Pakistan Domestic Cricket

- Medium pacers and trundlers don't have to work twice as hard as the express bowlers in the past because wickets in domestic cricket especially in Punjab in the Winters tends to favor swing and seam bowling

- The ball used in Pakistani domestic cricket is of very inferior quality and aids swing, seam bowling and when these bowlers come to international cricket, they look completely lost trying to bowl with the kookaburra ball.
 
Bazid Khan has so many times mentioned that these stats need to be taken with a pinch of salt for so many reasons.

- Rampant ball tampering which takes place in Pakistan Domestic Cricket

- Medium pacers and trundlers don't have to work twice as hard as the express bowlers in the past because wickets in domestic cricket especially in Punjab in the Winters tends to favor swing and seam bowling

- The ball used in Pakistani domestic cricket is of very inferior quality and aids swing, seam bowling and when these bowlers come to international cricket, they look completely lost trying to bowl with the kookaburra ball.

So ? He should not graduate to Pakistan A squad ? Or only if he gets a county contract by miracle and performs there too than he should be considered ?

No need to take it as pinch of salt. Value the players aswell improve ball , pitch standard and change the timing of QEA trophy.
 
[MENTION=5942]AlphaFighter[/MENTION]

Let's go back to history.

The domestic pitches have been like this for the last 10 , 15 years.

The same pitches gave you Asif , Amir , Wahab, Junaid Khan , Umar Gul aswell. You and I did not take there performances in domestic cricket as a pinch of salt.

In QEA trophy 2004 Mohammad Asif stood at ~15th number with 28 wickets in 6 matches at an average of 25 and strike rate of 41.

In QEA trophy 2005 Mohammad Asif only played 3 games and got 27 wickets with 3 fivefers and 2 Tenfers at an average of 15 and strike rate of 29. The selectors did not take it as a pinch of salt. He was the only bowler to tak 2 Tenfers in that qea trophy and selectors noticed him. They named him in pakistan A or pcb eleven squad and he played against England A at Bagh e Jinnah probably and took 9 or 10 wickets in thay game and got selected for Pakistan senior team.

Amir, Asif ,Wahab ,Abbass ,Shehzad ,Mir, Ali Imran and Sadaf are best bowling talent and potential of Pakistan cricket fast bowling. (Ability,skill,potential,talent)

Currently first 6 of them.
 
Hearing a lot about this Muhammad Abbas but i have never seen him bowl. Any video available of him online?
 
He has a similar run up and action to Mohammad zahid and seems to Have stronger fast twitch fiber muscles as can be seen from how much energy he has through the crease.
Seems like a taller more skillful version of bhatti

Don't know why I never heard or saw him before. I mean he is genuinely impressive.

We HV to campaign for him on pp
Pasha been wasted. A tragedy really.

Just wondering how many quality bowlers we've missed out on due to our blatantly ignorant selectors.
 
From the bowlers I've watched, I can vouch for Ammad, Majid, Mir, Taj Wali to be successful in the international arena.
 
Pasha been wasted. A tragedy really.

Just wondering how many quality bowlers we've missed out on due to our blatantly ignorant selectors.
while he was there breaking is back in that farce of a domestic system,we were playing rao iftikhar, tanveer ahmed,asad ali, anwar ali and what not.:facepalm:

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From the bowlers I've watched, I can vouch for Ammad, Majid, Mir, Taj Wali to be successful in the international arena.

Yeah, most of those are good options. I have high hopes from Mir.

Ammad is a good option but needs more time.

Taj Wali tends to blow hot and cold, can be expensive at times, but he has potential.

Haven't seen Majid.

What's your thoughts on Zia ul Haq ?
 
Yeah, most of those are good options. I have high hopes from Mir.

Ammad is a good option but needs more time.

Taj Wali tends to blow hot and cold, can be expensive at times, but he has potential.

Haven't seen Majid.

What's your thoughts on Zia ul Haq ?

Doesn't inspire confidence. I haven't watched a lot of him but there's nothing that stood out.
 
while he was there breaking is back in that farce of a domestic system,we were playing rao iftikhar, tanveer ahmed,asad ali, anwar ali and what not.:facepalm:

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Watched his latest video. Seems to be on his last legs, you can see his knees have almost run out of cartilage if not already.
 
Majid and Mir are bright young prospects, but our real source of talented bowlers is coming through in the spin department.

Many young spinners have the potential to represent Pak and for a very long time.
 
while he was there breaking is back in that farce of a domestic system,we were playing rao iftikhar, tanveer ahmed,asad ali, anwar ali and what not.:facepalm:

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He had a knee niggle only which needed rest. It was semifinal or final for PIA and match had to be televised. He was highest wicket taker of QEA trophy back than with 60 wickets. He was played and has his knee got really bad during that game. He could not impress in that game and that injury got him out of cricket for 3 years.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...t_wickets_career.html?id=6876;type=tournament

Imran khan was number 2 and Sadaf hussain was number 3 in leading wicket takers of trophy. One had already toured with pakistan to Westindies and the other played for Pakistan later on.
[MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION] believes that his knees are finished. He may or may not be right. But last year he took 39 wickets in 6 or 7 games at an average of 14 and strike rate of 29 and he had the best bowling average and best strike rate among all the bowlers of Silver and gold league last year. He deserved to be selected for Pentangular Cup before worldcup but he was neglected.

Let's see how he performs in the president one day cup in January. If PIA is there he will be playing for them. Hope if like Stuart broad who had a knee surgery and had the best year of cricket after that in 2014-2015 similarly if Ali Imran's knees aren't finished than he becomes top wicket taker in one day cup.
[MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION] do you believe it's a concerted effort to get off the danger zone during follow through or are you sure his knees are finished ?
 
There are some 'decent' prospects in the mould of Junaid Khan/Imran Khan etc.

But no potential world class bowler on the scene. Mir/Taj (haven't seen Majid), they're not the one to set the world on fire.

Sad reality.
 
There are some 'decent' prospects in the mould of Junaid Khan/Imran Khan etc.

But no potential world class bowler on the scene. Mir/Taj (haven't seen Majid), they're not the one to set the world on fire.

Sad reality.

Indeed it is reality. But i think by sheer hard work, and by good coaching one or two can become better bowlers, still not world class, but at least better.
 
[MENTION=5942]AlphaFighter[/MENTION]

Let's go back to history.

The domestic pitches have been like this for the last 10 , 15 years.

The same pitches gave you Asif , Amir , Wahab, Junaid Khan , Umar Gul aswell. You and I did not take there performances in domestic cricket as a pinch of salt.

In QEA trophy 2004 Mohammad Asif stood at ~15th number with 28 wickets in 6 matches at an average of 25 and strike rate of 41.

In QEA trophy 2005 Mohammad Asif only played 3 games and got 27 wickets with 3 fivefers and 2 Tenfers at an average of 15 and strike rate of 29. The selectors did not take it as a pinch of salt. He was the only bowler to tak 2 Tenfers in that qea trophy and selectors noticed him. They named him in pakistan A or pcb eleven squad and he played against England A at Bagh e Jinnah probably and took 9 or 10 wickets in thay game and got selected for Pakistan senior team.

Amir, Asif ,Wahab ,Abbass ,Shehzad ,Mir, Ali Imran and Sadaf are best bowling talent and potential of Pakistan cricket fast bowling. (Ability,skill,potential,talent)

Currently first 6 of them.

Lol bro actually asif was picked against australia in 2004-05 tour of australia. Though he was very poor. Like you said that against england he took some wickets and this brought him to spotlight however he was just too good bro. He was very unique.

That being said I think problem started in general tauqir zia's time when he ordered to make seaming wickets. What this did was that batsman had poorly developed temperament while trundlers were taking wickets. Previously fast bowlers had to bend their backs to get wickets and use pace along with swing to get the batter out. Thus a 20 year old started exerting himself more and more this eventually led to his development of his bowling muscles.

And you can see that our bowlers till 2000 were mostly 140+ in domestic even rana at 27(while his real age was 31) bowled at 140ist till 31(his real age 34). Further you had shahid nazir, irfan fazil, Abdul Razzaq they all were 140 plus bowlers.
And we produced some decent batsman, apart from world class eg Muhammad yousuf

While after 2003, we did not really produce genuine pace bowlers

Most of them were very poor

this might all may not be true^^


However things will be different now as media facebook and youtube will help budding fast bowlers of today to get in spotlight.

I mean imagine Ali imran being 21 and if he took wickets in similar manner for 1 or 2 years, he would definitely have been in pakistani team.

Samin Afridi comes to mind but I do not really hype anyone unless he has shown promise at 21 or 22.

I generally do not like line and length bowlers eg Mir Hamza Taj Wali apart from Sadaf Hussain(as he performed at a consistent level in every type of situation, was twice man of the match in pak a matches against lankans) but like i said i generally look out for 150k bowers not even like wahab riaz who bowls one 150ist delivery in 5 overs


Regards
 
Ali pasha is a lost talent there is no way after 10 yrs he will be the same like his early teens , same with riaz afridi who was a quick bustly bowler like Ryan Harris , thier were left to rot in domestic cricket and their raw talent not developed.

Pakistan needs to use Australian model of picking bowlers at u19 or u21 and developing them properly thier diet fitness action , and only letting them have limited time in domestic cricket which pro longed seasons only ruins Pakistani fast bowlers
 
you don’t need an exceptional eye for talent In order to find good fast bowling talent , any one filling the below mention criteria will do the job
essential skills
1)Pace around 135-142k
2)Outswinger for Right armer and Inswinger for left armer
3)Decent accuracy
4)Variation , slower one , cutter etc

Special Skills
1)Pace in excess of 140k consistently
2)Swing/Seam at both ways
3)Deadly accuracy
4)Extra Bounce
5)Killing Yorkers
6)Big movement

You just need 4 essential skills or 3 out of 4 essential skill plus one special skill to be a complete decent bowler for International Cricket
So the question is how many of the domestic bowlers fills the above mention criteria?
 
Lol bro actually asif was picked against australia in 2004-05 tour of australia. Though he was very poor. Like you said that against england he took some wickets and this brought him to spotlight however he was just too good bro. He was very unique.

That being said I think problem started in general tauqir zia's time when he ordered to make seaming wickets. What this did was that batsman had poorly developed temperament while trundlers were taking wickets. Previously fast bowlers had to bend their backs to get wickets and use pace along with swing to get the batter out. Thus a 20 year old started exerting himself more and more this eventually led to his development of his bowling muscles.

And you can see that our bowlers till 2000 were mostly 140+ in domestic even rana at 27(while his real age was 31) bowled at 140ist till 31(his real age 34). Further you had shahid nazir, irfan fazil, Abdul Razzaq they all were 140 plus bowlers.
And we produced some decent batsman, apart from world class eg Muhammad yousuf

While after 2003, we did not really produce genuine pace bowlers

Most of them were very poor

this might all may not be true^^


However things will be different now as media facebook and youtube will help budding fast bowlers of today to get in spotlight.

I mean imagine Ali imran being 21 and if he took wickets in similar manner for 1 or 2 years, he would definitely have been in pakistani team.

Samin Afridi comes to mind but I do not really hype anyone unless he has shown promise at 21 or 22.

I generally do not like line and length bowlers eg Mir Hamza Taj Wali apart from Sadaf Hussain(as he performed at a consistent level in every type of situation, was twice man of the match in pak a matches against lankans) but like i said i generally look out for 150k bowers not even like wahab riaz who bowls one 150ist delivery in 5 overs


Regards
Actually, the seaming wickets seem to have helped batsmen, as many of our batsmen's averages supercedes their FC averages.
 
He had a knee niggle only which needed rest. It was semifinal or final for PIA and match had to be televised. He was highest wicket taker of QEA trophy back than with 60 wickets. He was played and has his knee got really bad during that game. He could not impress in that game and that injury got him out of cricket for 3 years.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...t_wickets_career.html?id=6876;type=tournament

Imran khan was number 2 and Sadaf hussain was number 3 in leading wicket takers of trophy. One had already toured with pakistan to Westindies and the other played for Pakistan later on.

[MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION] believes that his knees are finished. He may or may not be right. But last year he took 39 wickets in 6 or 7 games at an average of 14 and strike rate of 29 and he had the best bowling average and best strike rate among all the bowlers of Silver and gold league last year. He deserved to be selected for Pentangular Cup before worldcup but he was neglected.

Let's see how he performs in the president one day cup in January. If PIA is there he will be playing for them. Hope if like Stuart broad who had a knee surgery and had the best year of cricket after that in 2014-2015 similarly if Ali Imran's knees aren't finished than he becomes top wicket taker in one day cup.

[MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION] do you believe it's a concerted effort to get off the danger zone during follow through or are you sure his knees are finished ?

He has 2-3 years left before he starts declining. If PCB wants a bowler to fill in for a small period, they can call him up.
 
There are some 'decent' prospects in the mould of Junaid Khan/Imran Khan etc.

But no potential world class bowler on the scene. Mir/Taj (haven't seen Majid), they're not the one to set the world on fire.

Sad reality.

You don't need bowlers that set the world on fire to be successful. Cricket isn't some superhero movie. We need bowlers who can swing the new ball/old ball and bowl in partnerships and the ones I named are capable of that. Unlike Rahat and Irfan, the aforementioned possess a cricketing brain and Waqar would be better off working with them because they'll learn very quickly.
 
He has 2-3 years left before he starts declining. If PCB wants a bowler to fill in for a small period, they can call him up.

Last year with the best average and strike rate he wasn't the top wicket taker because he played 3 less games what PCB does ? Doesn't select him for Pentangular cup any squad.

Than PCB calls many bowlers for fitness test including sadaf who had taken lesser wickets in last season than Ali Imran Pasha but they fail to call him for fitness test / trials for Pakistan A.

This year PIA fails to qualify for QEA trophy and PCB adjusts many players in different regional teams eg. Yasir Hameed , Faisal mubashir , Naveed Yasin, Hassan Ali to name few in different regional teams but fail to adjust him in any regional team.

Than the last nail in coffin PCB does not consider him for any PSL category.
[MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION]

Why are these chain of events happening ?

Why there is nobody talking on geo super , ptv sports , dunya tv , ary news , samaa tv in any sports show about this special treatment and snub by PCB for this player ?

Shehzad Azam Rana , Tabish Khan , samiullah Niazi, Imran Ali , Aizaz cheema , Asad Ali all are elder than Ali Imran yet they are considered for first class teams and for PSL Draft and not this guy.

I am clueless.
 
Last year with the best average and strike rate he wasn't the top wicket taker because he played 3 less games what PCB does ? Doesn't select him for Pentangular cup any squad.

Than PCB calls many bowlers for fitness test including sadaf who had taken lesser wickets in last season than Ali Imran Pasha but they fail to call him for fitness test / trials for Pakistan A.

This year PIA fails to qualify for QEA trophy and PCB adjusts many players in different regional teams eg. Yasir Hameed , Faisal mubashir , Naveed Yasin, Hassan Ali to name few in different regional teams but fail to adjust him in any regional team.

Than the last nail in coffin PCB does not consider him for any PSL category.

[MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION]

Why are these chain of events happening ?

Why there is nobody talking on geo super , ptv sports , dunya tv , ary news , samaa tv in any sports show about this special treatment and snub by PCB for this player ?

Shehzad Azam Rana , Tabish Khan , samiullah Niazi, Imran Ali , Aizaz cheema , Asad Ali all are elder than Ali Imran yet they are considered for first class teams and for PSL Draft and not this guy.

I am clueless.

I don't know man. My guess is as good as yours. Probably doesn't have strong sifarish.

It's pathetic to say the least but then again he isn't the first to be snubbed like this.
 
Taj Wali is the most impressive pacer with what i have seen. Looking forward to see him in future

One of the players who could be tried first in a meaningless ODI series; unlike Hamza and some of the other usual suspects his LA domestic stats are superb. Sadaf is even better, but this is old hat by now.
 
You don't need bowlers that set the world on fire to be successful. Cricket isn't some superhero movie. We need bowlers who can swing the new ball/old ball and bowl in partnerships and the ones I named are capable of that. Unlike Rahat and Irfan, the aforementioned possess a cricketing brain and Waqar would be better off working with them because they'll learn very quickly.

Betcha they'll learn even faster if Waqar has been fired by then
 
[MENTION=5942]AlphaFighter[/MENTION]

Let's go back to history.

The domestic pitches have been like this for the last 10 , 15 years.

The same pitches gave you Asif , Amir , Wahab, Junaid Khan , Umar Gul aswell. You and I did not take there performances in domestic cricket as a pinch of salt.

In QEA trophy 2004 Mohammad Asif stood at ~15th number with 28 wickets in 6 matches at an average of 25 and strike rate of 41.

In QEA trophy 2005 Mohammad Asif only played 3 games and got 27 wickets with 3 fivefers and 2 Tenfers at an average of 15 and strike rate of 29. The selectors did not take it as a pinch of salt. He was the only bowler to tak 2 Tenfers in that qea trophy and selectors noticed him. They named him in pakistan A or pcb eleven squad and he played against England A at Bagh e Jinnah probably and took 9 or 10 wickets in thay game and got selected for Pakistan senior team.

Amir, Asif ,Wahab ,Abbass ,Shehzad ,Mir, Ali Imran and Sadaf are best bowling talent and potential of Pakistan cricket fast bowling. (Ability,skill,potential,talent)

Currently first 6 of them.

Couldn't agree more.

So do you think Waqar would have picked Asif?
 
Over a year now and still waiting for one of those "talented" fast bowlers to make their debut.
 
The only real tests prospects in my opinion are : Shahzad Azam (If he haven't lost his pace) , Atif Jabbar, Ghulam Mudassir and Waqas Ahmed.
 
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Ghulam Mudassir looks to be a prospect, good pace and young. The rest like Hamza, Abbas etc are very average and worse than the ones in Aus
 
The only real tests prospects in my opinion are : Shahzad Azam (If he haven't lost his pace) , Atif Jabbar, Ghulam Mudassir and Waqas Ahmed.


Shahzad has lost some pace. Still fast medium though but safe to say his peak is over..

Similarly Ali Imran since his last Injury has played 2 List A matches and has been quite poor. Don't know whether He will pe playing for Sialkot or Karachi in the upcoming One day cup of regions or not.

Atif, Ghulam & Waqas are good names.
 
Sad to hear about Shahzad but he could have been a gun new ball bowler in LOIs ,shame he never got his chances during his peak.

Never impressed with Ali Imran since his late comeback he was shadow of a bowler during his U19 days, the guy looked innocuous every time I have seen him bowl.
 
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Lahore Qalandars Development Squad fast bowling attack is something to look foward to.

Irfan
Sultan
Mudassar Riaz

All quality bowlers.
 
Where is that Quetta boy Muhammad Adeel (I think) who was clocked at 147 kph.

I say fast track him into the side. Get him one on one coaching with Waz or Asif and send him on A-tours. Line, length, swing, seam everything can be taught. The thing you cannot teach is bowling 150 clicks. Either you have it or you don't.

If he toils away on domestic pitches, not only will he lose his pace he will also become someone like Imran Khan, utterly useless.
 
Where is that Quetta boy Muhammad Adeel (I think) who was clocked at 147 kph.

I say fast track him into the side. Get him one on one coaching with Waz or Asif and send him on A-tours. Line, length, swing, seam everything can be taught. The thing you cannot teach is bowling 150 clicks. Either you have it or you don't.

If he toils away on domestic pitches, not only will he lose his pace he will also become someone like Imran Khan, utterly useless.

Wahab can be made world beater?
 
Whenever i see any clips from pakistani domestic matches, all bowlers seems hyped up alot.
All bowlers are mostly in range of rahat,imran khan, and every other medium pacer Pak have tried in last few years already. There is no any breakout fast bowler in Pakistan.
Most name mentioned here most of time, ppl ll fed up with them after 4-5 games.
And we Will see most of bowlers in PSL soon anyway. I don't believe hype of low domestic avg for bowlers anymore. Every other bowler have below 23 avg in Pak.
 
Really interested in Mudassar Riaz , Heard he is a pacy allrounder who hit the deck hard.

He's got a compact action, good pace and very good mechanics. He batted for Qalandars at 6 so if he has ability with the bat, he definitely is a prospect.
 
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