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Erdogan says courts will fix any mistakes after Istanbul mayor's sentencing

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday that the courts would correct any mistakes in an appeal process after the jailing of Istanbul's opposition mayor, and in the meantime Turks had no right to ignore legal rulings.
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In his first direct comments on Wednesday's conviction of Ekrem Imamoglu - a potential challenger to Erdogan who was sentenced to two years and seven months in prison and handed a political ban - Erdogan said he did not care who is the opposition candidate in next year's elections.

Imamoglu was prosecuted for insulting public officials in 2019, when he criticised a decision to cancel the first round of municipal elections that he won against the 25-year incumbent government of Erdogan's AK Party.

"There's still no final court decision yet. The case will go to the Court of Appeals and the Court of Cassation," Erdogan said. "If the courts have made a mistake, it will be corrected. They're trying to pull us into this game."

Imamoglu's conviction has rallied the opposition bloc around what it sees as a fight for democracy, the rule of law and justice.

Thousands have gathered at rallies led by Imamoglu, who has said he plans to appeal his conviction.

"There have been many court rulings that we have harshly criticised ourselves, but that doesn't give anyone the right to insult judges or to ignore court rulings," Erdogan told a rally at Mardin in Turkey's southeast.

Critics say Turkiye's judiciary has been bent to Erdogan's will to punish his critics. The government says they are independent.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/239152...any-mistakes-after-istanbul-mayors-sentencing
 
Erdoğan Can’t Hide Any Longer
In Turkey, millions of people are suffering from a natural disaster without timely government aid. Meanwhile, Erdogan is planning for his next election. On the evening of February 8, two nights after the earthquake that devastated 10 cities in Turkey, four young men with cheap megaphones walked the streets of Istanbul repeating the same cry: “Thousands under the rubble are fighting for their lives tonight. Erdoğan is still trying to cover up his crime. Please tell everyone what you know.”

They were only four of the millions of people who tried to break through the unending oppression and cover-up operation by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s authoritarian regime in the aftermath of the earthquake. Just a few hours prior, Twitter was throttled by direct order from “the palace,” while many victims were tweeting out their locations from under the destruction. While Turkey was going through the greatest disaster in the history of the republic, Erdoğan was obsessing over silencing the criticism pouring in from social media. What was considered violent oppression of communication on a normal day was now, even for Turkish people accustomed to Erdoğan’s ways, not only criminal but also unbelievable.

So, revolting helplessly, the four young men took to the streets, using their voices—their only viable tool—to fight back. Like hundreds of thousands of people, they were outraged by the shamelessness of authorities who couldn’t send help to devastated cities, yet somehow found time to prosecute the Twitter users criticizing the regime’s failure.

“Touché!” read many tweets, primarily from Turkish citizens joining the social media frenzy from outside the country. They were referring to Erdoğan’s fear of losing power and his efforts to preserve his strongman image. Even by Turkish standards, his hostility toward people who don’t support him is flagrant. He’s failed to send aid to cities that didn’t support his platform, blamed NGO workers for stealing his role, and threatened the nation in his first address instead of offering even a few words of compassion.

“For an average human, this kind of evil is incomprehensible, so when we tell the world, they wouldn’t believe [it],” read another tweet. What struck my people most was the significant gap between the selfless solidarity effort encompassing the entire country and the regime’s priority to save face. But this time, after several disasters mishandled by the state that Erdogan single-handedly controls, they knew that the classic cover-up with the propaganda machine wouldn’t suffice. The dunghill was too big—even for a regime that held 96 percent of the media under strict control and prosecuted all its critics. This time, Erdogan’s classic move—bragging ruthlessly about his success after mishandling a situation, comfortably confident that he wouldn’t be challenged—was not going to work. Even the mainstream media, ruled by the regime’s supporters, was fracturing from outrage. The reality was too devastating; journalists’ basic human dignity leaked through the cracks.

“As I entered the city walking at night, I heard many, so many voices coming from under the rubble. No one was there to help, and the city was in absolute darkness. I didn’t know what to do. I just tiptoed, so the victims did not hear my footsteps. So that they wouldn’t ask for help,” said Mehmet Akif Ersoy, a mainstream TV channel reporter. He was trying to stay composed during a broadcast of the disaster, but he couldn’t hide his shame.


Besides the pain, devastation, and rage, shame has been an overwhelming emotion in the aftermath of this earthquake. The list of reasons is long. For one, Hatay, one the cities hit hardest, received no help from state authorities for almost 48 hours after the disaster because the town is one of the opposition’s strongholds. When Japanese rescue workers made it to the site before the state’s own emergency organization did, Turkish citizens were ashamed by the dysfunction of the national aid work. Where was the Disaster and Emergency Management Presidency (AFAD)?

Since the last big earthquake in 1999, Turkish people have been paying an earthquake tax to fund the AFAD, the state’s emergency organization. Yet, five days after the most recent devastation, thousands of people were without blankets, let alone tents. For many, the question of where their money went became apparent. The day after the earthquake, the head of the Religious Directorate, a state body with a budget 14 times larger than AFAD’s, stated that sela—the death prayer—would ring from the mosques. On the second night after the earthquake, this meant that while many were fighting for their lives under the rubble, they had to listen to their own death knell. Many of them died from hypothermia. A woman tweeted from under the rubble: “My baby just froze to death in my arms.”

Millions in Turkey who were okay expressed similar shame—the shame of sleeping, eating, or even being warm in their own homes. Erdoğan threatened those who “politicized” the disaster, which meant that any criticism against him would be deemed “dishonorable; immoral.” Many social media users couldn’t help but draw similarities between him and 1984’s Big Brother.

After Erdoğan’s speech on February 10, four days after the disaster, several citizens were arrested for criticizing him on social media, while many towns and villages were still waiting for rescue teams. The head of Babala, one of the biggest and most active NGOs, was called in for interrogation while he was on the ground organizing aid work.

Mehmet Akif Ersoy, the same TV journalist who suffered the shame of helplessness, this time was live on air: “I am ashamed to say this, but I heard that the state’s rescue teams are arriving at the last minute and shoving civilian teams aside so they themselves can put victims in front of the cameras.” And then there’s the shame of an elderly man, who cried upon revealing the food he had to steal from a wrecked supermarket because aid didn’t reach his town in time. Foreign rescue teams were similarly ashamed when they left the country in protest because Erdoğan cleaned debris haphazardly. As they gave interviews to international media, reporting that “there are still people under the rubble, and we don’t want to be part of this crime,” Erdogan was making an election promise: “We’ll build everything anew in one year. Give me one year.”


While shame, rage, and a feeling of utter helplessness set in, little moments of joy sprung up as a result of solidarity between those opposed to Erdoğan. Turkey, a country that has become increasingly polarized over the past 20 years, was definitively split in two: those who put aside their differences to help each other on one side, and those who capitalized on political hostility even in the darkest hour on the other.

Overnight, many people had no choice but to learn how to hire a ship or an airplane to send aid to the region. The YouTubers, Instagram influencers, and university students organized. More than 20,000 coders came together to produce apps and programs to coordinate help and locate victims. Miners who reached the region, despite their employers’ orders, cried each time they pulled a baby from the wreck. Meanwhile, many were learning that the hero of rescue action in the 1999 earthquake, the civilian AKUT Search and Rescue Collective, had been dispersed by Erdoğan because it wasn’t compliant with his regime. The Red Crescent had also been taken over by a government member and turned into a family enterprise.

We had to learn fast during the last few days. But it was nothing compared to those buried under debris, who had to learn how to download a VPN so they could reach Twitter to broadcast their location. Mothers and fathers were standing by helplessly as their children melted into the mess. I feel ashamed writing a personal sentence, but I will never forget the moment when Twitter shut down while I was trying to connect a pregnant woman giving birth beneath the rubble with regional doctors.

The question now is, will Turkey, a country not famous for its memory skills, be able to stick to rightful rage when it comes time to squash this regime? When the governing authority asserts control over every bit of the state, it is hard to answer this question. But one thing is certain: The political wind has blown stronger than it has ever in the past 20 years. Very soon, we’ll see whether human dignity will prevail over the organized evil that Erdoğan represents.
 
The sentiment is is very against erdogan at the moment. He is trying to postpone the elections. Pulling a PMLNQ strategy here
 
Do you want Erdogan to be replaced by a radical liberal?
Thats for the Turkish people to decide. Howe er it would be nice if someone who is not corrupt -and incompetent like the wannabe calipha That would be nice.
 
Thats for the Turkish people to decide. Howe er it would be nice if someone who is not corrupt -and incompetent like the wannabe calipha That would be nice.

There is corruption in every country's politics. Are you not aware of crooked Hillary? What about Anthony Weiner? Why single out Erdogan?
 
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Thats for the Turkish people to decide. Howe er it would be nice if someone who is not corrupt -and incompetent like the wannabe calipha That would be nice.

Erdogan had to deal with many obstacles. Firstly, America's stupid war in Middle East. Secondly, those communist Kurdish terrorists (PKK). Furthermore, he had to deal Kemalist radical liberals.

I think Erdogan did quite well considering the odds against him.

ISIS was directly or indirectly created by America. Their invasion of Iraq destabilized the whole region. Erdogan and Turkey were also affected by that.
 
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There is corruption in every country's politics. Are you not aware of crooked Hillary? What about Anthony Weiner? Why single out Erdogan?
Because this thread is on erdogan maybe. Anthony weiner? Hahahha has. Why did u bring him up. Also I am talking about him being corrupt, his family being corrupt . There is a video of him bragging how he gave away building licenses where the safety requirements were lit meet. Hence the total collapse of the buildings in the earthquake
 
Erdogan had to deal with many obstacles. Firstly, America's stupid war in Middle East. Secondly, those communist Kurdish terrorists (PKK). Furthermore, he had to deal Kemalist radical liberals.

I think Erdogan did quite well considering the odds against him.

ISIS was directly or indirectly created by America. Their invasion of Iraq destabilized the whole region. Erdogan and Turkey were also affected by that.

Isis was not created by the USA . Isis was formed due to the power vacuum due to the crisis in the Middle East. Isis was Ali armed by erdogan to fight the Kurds. Have you forgotten that.
 
Erdogan is as popular as his 80 % inflation. Turkish economy is growing but it's killing the people with inflation. He will fall next year.
 
Election was this June. Buy the wannabe calipha wants to pospone it as he is very unpopular. And inflation is 88 percent or 84. Not 80
 
Islamic State leader in Syria killed by Turkish intelligence services, says President Erdogan
The Turkish president said the "individual was neutralised" as part of the operation, which took place on Saturday night and into Sunday.

The leader of Islamic State in Syria has been killed in a raid by the Turkish intelligence services, according to Turkey's president.

Abu Hussein al Qurashi was "neutralised" as part of a long-term operation by the intelligence organisation, MIT, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday.

Mr Erdogan's claim has not been independently verified and there has been no response from IS.

The raid is said to have taken place in the northern Syrian town of Jandaris, which is controlled by Turkey-backed rebel groups.

The area was also one of the hardest hit during the earthquake which hit the border of Turkey and Syria on 6 February.

Clashes between the rebels and the opposing Syrian National Army started overnight on Saturday and into Sunday, according to one resident. They then heard a loud explosion.

The area was later enclosed by security forces. The Syrian National Army has not commented on the incident.

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https://news.sky.com/story/islamic-...ence-services-says-president-erdogan-12870631
 
ANKARA: Turkey is in “intensive negotiations” over its alternative to the India-Middle East trade corridor plan that was agreed at this month’s G20 summit, as the country seeks to bolster its historic role as a transport route for goods moving from Asia to Europe, The Financial Times reported.

Ankara has pushed back against the proposed India-Middle East route that would transport goods from the subcontinent through the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Israel to European markets. The mooted corridor, backed by the US and EU as they attempt to repel China’s growing influence, would completely bypass Turkey.

Recep Tayyip Erdoan, president of Turkey, said after the G20 that “there can be no corridor without Turkey”, adding “the most appropriate route for trade from east to west must pass through Turkey”.

His foreign minister Hakan Fidan has since doubled down on the scepticism, insisting this week that “experts had doubts that the primary goal [of the India-Middle East corridor] was rationality and efficiency” and suggesting “more geostrategic concerns” were at play.“

A trade route does not only mean meeting trade alone. It’s also a reflection of geostrategic competition,” Fidan said in response to a question from the Financial Times.

Turkey is keen to emphasise its traditional role as a bridge between east and west, a history that dates back centuries to the silk roads.Ankara has instead touted an alternative called the Iraq Development Road initiative, with Fidan insisting “intensive negotiations” were under way with Iraq, Qatar and the UAE about a project that would be forged “within the next few months”.

The proposed $17bn route would take goods from the Grand Faw port in oil-rich southern Iraq through 10 Iraqi provinces and into Turkey, according to diagrams released by the Baghdad government.

The plan would rely on 1,200km of high-speed rail and a parallel road network. The scheme has three phases, with the first aiming for completion in 2028 and the last in 2050.

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ANKARA: Turkey is in “intensive negotiations” over its alternative to the India-Middle East trade corridor plan that was agreed at this month’s G20 summit, as the country seeks to bolster its historic role as a transport route for goods moving from Asia to Europe, The Financial Times reported.

Ankara has pushed back against the proposed India-Middle East route that would transport goods from the subcontinent through the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Israel to European markets. The mooted corridor, backed by the US and EU as they attempt to repel China’s growing influence, would completely bypass Turkey.

Recep Tayyip Erdoan, president of Turkey, said after the G20 that “there can be no corridor without Turkey”, adding “the most appropriate route for trade from east to west must pass through Turkey”.

His foreign minister Hakan Fidan has since doubled down on the scepticism, insisting this week that “experts had doubts that the primary goal [of the India-Middle East corridor] was rationality and efficiency” and suggesting “more geostrategic concerns” were at play.“

A trade route does not only mean meeting trade alone. It’s also a reflection of geostrategic competition,” Fidan said in response to a question from the Financial Times.

Turkey is keen to emphasise its traditional role as a bridge between east and west, a history that dates back centuries to the silk roads.Ankara has instead touted an alternative called the Iraq Development Road initiative, with Fidan insisting “intensive negotiations” were under way with Iraq, Qatar and the UAE about a project that would be forged “within the next few months”.

The proposed $17bn route would take goods from the Grand Faw port in oil-rich southern Iraq through 10 Iraqi provinces and into Turkey, according to diagrams released by the Baghdad government.

The plan would rely on 1,200km of high-speed rail and a parallel road network. The scheme has three phases, with the first aiming for completion in 2028 and the last in 2050.

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Great to see the panic alarms ringing in Turkey. Not so tough now Edroegen? You were saying something a few years ago about Kashmir and all. Within a few years, Bharat has already sidelined you in the global politics. That’s Modi at its finest. Taking them all out one by one.

Modi being a Terminator at this moment.
Is he even human or you have steel and wires beneath that extroskeleton.
 
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US, Europe, Israel, Saudis, UAE , Bharat

All hail the new nexus
 
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that Western countries were seeing “a plague” of racism, including Islamophobia.

“It has reached intolerable levels,” he told the UN General Assembly.

“Unfortunately, populist politicians in many countries continue to play with fire by encouraging such dangerous trends,” he said.

“The mentality that encourages the hideous attacks against the Holy Quran in Europe, by allowing them under the guise of freedom of expression, is essentially darkening (Europe’s) own future through its own hands.”

Protests in Sweden that have involved desecration of the Muslim holy book have sparked outrage in the Muslim world.

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Turkey carries out airstrikes in Northern Iraq after suicide attack in Ankara

Turkey has carried out an airstrike in northern Iraq after a suicide bombing attack in capital Ankara, its defence ministry said.

The airstrike destroyed 20 targets belonging to the Kurdish militant group PKK, which claimed responsibility for the bombing.

Earlier on Sunday, two police officers were injured in an attack in Ankara, hours before parliament was scheduled to reopen after a three-month summer recess.

Two terrorists carried out the attack, Turkey's interior minister Ali Yerlikaya said. One died in the blast and the other was killed in a shoot-out with police.

In a statement on X, formerly Twitter, a Turkish government spokesperson said: "Air operations were carried out against terrorist targets in the Metina, Hakurk, Kandil and Gara regions in the north of Iraq at 9.00pm on 1 October and the Separatist Terrorist Organization (BTO).

"A total of 20 targets, consisting of caves, bunkers, bunkers and warehouses used by, and considered to contain the terrorists responsible, were destroyed.

"Many terrorists were neutralized by using the maximum amount of domestic and national ammunition in the operations carried out.


 
Turkey carries out new air strikes in northern Iraq after Ankara bombing

Turkish air forces destroyed 58 targets of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in northern Iraq since the Kurdish militant group claimed responsibility for a bomb attack near government buildings in Ankara on Sunday.

The third operation after Sunday's bombing was conducted in the Metina, Hakurk, Gara, Qandil and Asos regions of northern Iraq at 7 p.m. (1600 GMT) on Wednesday and many PKK militants were "neutralised", a term mostly used to mean killed, Turkey's defence ministry said.

Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan said on Wednesday all facilities belonging to the PKK and the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia in Iraq and Syria are "legitimate targets".

Iraqi Defence Minister Thabet al-Abbasi will visit Ankara on Thursday to meet with Turkish counterpart Yasar Guler, Turkish media reported.

Two attackers detonated a bomb near government buildings in Ankara on Sunday, killing them both and wounding two police officers.


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Turkey’s Erdogan says Netanyahu worse than Hitler, Israel running ‘Nazi camps’

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was worse than Nazi leader Adolf Hitler during a speech he gave at an event in Ankara on Wednesday, drawing charges that he himself was guilty of genocide.

The barbed exchange was a return to form for the two leaders, whose long history of public attacks on each other has ebbed and flowed alongside Israel and Turkey’s on-again, off-again alliance. The attacks had halted in the last year or two as Jerusalem and Ankara rekindled their relationship, but the détente has seemingly fallen apart over the Israel-Hamas war.

During an opening speech at an award ceremony in the Turkish capital, Erdogan said the systematic slaughter of 6 million Jews in the Holocaust was not as bad as Israel’s war with Hamas in Gaza, and likened Israel’s treatment of Palestinians in the Strip to that of Jews rounded up in concentration and death camps.

“We’ve seen the Nazi camps of Israel. How does this happen? They used to talk about Hitler, but how are you any different than Hitler?” he asked of Israel.

“This is even worse than Hitler,” he added to raucous applause. “What Netanyahu is doing is no less than what Hitler did.”

"Hitler was not as rich as [Netanyahu] is,” Erdogan continued after a short pause. “He is richer than Hitler. He takes support from the West, he receives all kinds of support from the US, and with all that support, 20,000 Gazans have been killed.”

Responding to Erdogan’s comments on Wednesday afternoon, Netanyahu told the Turkish leader not to lecture Israel about morality.

“Erdogan, who commits genocide against the Kurds, who holds a world record for imprisoning journalists who oppose his rule, is the last one who can preach morality to us,” he said.

"The IDF is the most moral army in the world, which fights against and eliminates the most abhorrent and cruel terror organization in the world: Hamas-ISIS, which has committed crimes against humanity and which Erdogan praises and hosts.”

Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza was triggered by the October 7 terror onslaught in southern Israel in which thousands of Hamas-led terrorists burst into the country by land, air and sea, slaughtering some 1,200 people, most of them civilians, and seizing around 240 hostages under the cover of thousands of rockets.

In response to the deadly assault, Israel launched an aerial campaign and subsequent ground operation, vowing to destroy Hamas and end its 16-year rule in the Gaza Strip.

The Hamas-run health ministry in the Gaza Strip claims that more than 20,000 people have been killed since October 7, an unverified figure that does not differentiate between civilians and fighters. Israel says it has killed some 8,000 Hamas operatives inside the coastal enclave, and works to avoid civilian deaths while fighting an enemy that embeds its military infrastructure in homes, hospitals, schools and mosques.

Following the outbreak of war, Israel recalled its diplomats from Turkey after Erdogan accused Israel of committing war crimes. Turkey later also recalled its ambassador from Israel.

Even as the countries re-established ties in recent years, Turkey’s strong relationship with Hamas remained a major sore point, with Erdogan refusing to cut ties and allowing the terror group to continue to operate from an office in Istanbul.

While the country insisted that it only hosted the group’s political wing, in 2020, Israel provided Turkish intelligence with evidence that members of Hamas’s military wing operate in the office, under the supervision of Beirut-based Saleh al-Arouri.

War cabinet minister Benny Gantz also slammed Erdogan for his remarks Wednesday, saying they were “blatant distortions of reality and a desecration of the Holocaust’s memory.”

"Hamas was the organization that perpetrated a despicable massacre. Removing the threat of Hamas from the citizens of Israel is an existential necessity and an unparalleled moral imperative,” he said in a statement issued in both Hebrew and English.

Erdogan’s speech on Wednesday is not the first time that the Turkish leader has compared Israel to Nazi Germany.

In July 2014, during Operation Protective Edge, Erdogan accused Israel of displaying “barbarism that surpasses Hitler” during the ground operation in Gaza. Then, in 2018, after the Israeli government passed the Nation-State Law, he said that the “spirit of Hitler” had “found its resurgence among some of Israel’s leaders.”

More recently, he has been extremely vocal in his opposition to the current war between Israel and the ruling Gaza terror group, calling Israel a “terrorist state” on more than one occasion and praising Hamas for “defending its lands.”

Netanyahu has regularly responded to the comments by denouncing Erdogan over Turkey’s campaign against the Kurds. More than 40,000 people are thought to have been killed in Turkey’s long-running war against Kurdish separatists, which has included airstrikes in Iraq and Syria.

Israel and Turkey were long-time regional allies before Erdogan came to power, but ties imploded after a 2010 Israeli commando raid on the Gaza-bound Mavi Marmara ship, part of a blockade-busting flotilla, that left dead 10 Turkish activists who attacked IDF soldiers aboard the ship.

Relations between the two nations have been up and down since then, and they only restored full diplomatic ties in August 2022.

Source: Times of Israel

 
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Erdogan concedes defeat in Turkiye local polls​

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan conceded defeat on Sunday in the country’s local elections, saying the vote was a “turning point” for his party after two decades in power.

Partial results from across the nation of 85 million people showed major advances for the Republican People’s Party (CHP) at the expense of Erdogan’s Justice and Development Party (AKP).

Istanbul’s mayor, the opposition’s Ekrem Imamoglu, claimed re-election with nearly all ballot boxes opened, telling a euphoric crowd of supporters: “Tomorrow is a new spring day for our country.”

Final results are expected to be released on Monday (today) by the country’s electoral commission.

Erdogan, 70, had launched an all-out personal campaign to win back Istanbul, the economic powerhouse where he was once mayor. Rampant inflation and an economic crisis have, however, hit confidence in the ruling party.

Large crowds filled the square outside the opposition party’s Istanbul city headquarters waving Turkish flags and lighting torches to celebrate the result.

After casting his vote, Imamoglu emerged to applause and chants of “Everything will be fine”, the slogan he used when he first took the city hall from the AKP in 2019.

The 52-year-old is increasingly seen as the biggest rival to Erdogan’s AKP ahead of the next presidential election in 2028.

In Ankara, mayor Mansur Yavas — also of the CHP — claimed victory in front of large crowds of supporters, declaring “the elections are over, we will continue to serve Ankara”.

“Those who have been ignored have sent a clear message to those who rule this country,” he added.

Yavas led with 58.6 per cent of the vote to 33.5pc for his AKP opponent, with 46.4pc of ballot boxes opened.

Opposition supporters celebrated victory in Izmir, Turkiye’s third-largest city, as well as in the southern city of Antalya.

Some AKP stronghold towns were at risk of being lost, results indicated. “Voters have chosen to change the face of Turkiye,” said CHP chairman Ozgur Ozel as the results emerged.

“They want to open the door to a new political climate in our country.”

 
Erdogan, a great islamic leader or a whimpering fool? Perhaps redundant labels here.

Not much difference from islamic warriors sitting in comfort of EU/NA/ME surroundings. All talk, zero action.

 
I was a big fan of Erdogan for many years and I am still a fan of him.

Having said that, I feel like he needs to take more decisive actions instead of saying things. Words are cheap. Actions matter more.
 
I was a big fan of Erdogan for many years and I am still a fan of him.

Having said that, I feel like he needs to take more decisive actions instead of saying things. Words are cheap. Actions matter more.
Birds of the same feather attract alike.

Moreover, best you reinvest in ESL. The first line is nonsensical.

Or perhaps you want it both ways. Still atrocious to read.
 
Birds of the same feather attract alike.

Moreover, best you reinvest in ESL. The first line is nonsensical.

Or perhaps you want it both ways. Still atrocious to read.

First line is fine. Maybe you should get excited less and read more calmly.

What I meant was I was a big fan of him but my support for him dropped a bit. But, I still like this guy. He at least condemns bad things, unlike other timid Muslim leaders.

But, like I said, he needs to take more actions and not just say things.
 
First line is fine. Maybe you should get excited less and read more calmly.

What I meant was I was a big fan of him but my support for him dropped a bit. But, I still like this guy. He at least condemns bad things, unlike other timid Muslim leaders.

But, like I said, he needs to take more actions and not just say things.

His actions are of a hypocrite. All talk, little action.

And to think, he's been selling the zio - state Oil at discount prices, speaks volumes of the guys intentions, or lack of.
 
First line is fine. Maybe you should get excited less and read more calmly.

What I meant was I was a big fan of him but my support for him dropped a bit. But, I still like this guy. He at least condemns bad things, unlike other timid Muslim leaders.

But, like I said, he needs to take more actions and not just say things.
Three countries bombing syria today: amreeka. israel. toorki. Ofcourse support for hypocrite erdy dropped just "a bit".

Living mighty well in western civilization, but wishing its downfall.

All words. No action. Birds of a feather.

 
He took the practical decision, brought down Iran’s allies in Syria so Israel could advance and cause havoc.

Israel sees that land as part of Greater Israel, eventually they want to take more of that land for themselves. Turkey is more concerned about the borders with it's own country and the Kurdish insurgency.
 

Turkish President Erdogan to visit Pakistan this week​


Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan will visit Pakistan this week, according to Turkish officials.

Turkey's Director of Communications, Fahrettin Altun, stated on X (formerly Twitter) that President Recep Tayyip Erdogan will visit Malaysia, Indonesia, and Pakistan this week.

Fahrettin Altun stated that President Erdogan will visit these countries from February 10 to 13.

During the visit, President Erdogan will discuss all aspects of bilateral relations and explore opportunities for enhancing cooperation through key projects.

The Turkish official added that after visiting Malaysia, Erdogan will co-chair the High-Level Strategic Cooperation Council meetings in Indonesia and Pakistan.

Fahrettin Altun mentioned that agreements are expected to be signed to strengthen the legal framework of bilateral relations, and President Erdogan will also meet with business leaders of the host countries.

Special attention will be given to Gaza, and regional and global issues will also be discussed during the visit.

Earlier, President Asif Ali Zardari met with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan during a brief stopover in Turkiye's Istanbul, while en route to Portugal.

The meeting took place at Istanbul's Ataturk Airport State Guesthouse prior to President Erdogan's departure for Malaysia.

Zardari, who was preparing to leave Türkiye, met with the Turkish leader prior to a scheduled press conference.

According to a statement released by the President's Press Wing in Islamabad, President Zardari was warmly welcomed by Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan upon his arrival. The two leaders exchanged pleasantries before engaging in a productive discussion on various matters of mutual interest.

 
Turkish president Erdogan arrives in Pakistan on two-day visit

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan arrived in Pakistan on a two-day visit, accompanied by a high-level delegation, which included ministers, senior officials, and prominent business personalities.

During his stay, President Erdoğan was expected to hold significant talks with Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and former President Asif Ali Zardari.

According to sources, discussions would revolve around strengthening bilateral ties between the two nations.


 
PM Shehbaz, Turkiye President Erdogan sign 24 agreements, MoUs to strengthen bilateral ties

Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Turkiye’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday signed several agreements in various domains to strengthen bilateral relationships between Pakistan and Turkiye.

The Turkish president arrived in Islamabad shortly after Thursday midnight and was received by the premier and President Asif Ali Zardari in Rawalpindi. Both leaders are set to hold meetings with the visiting guest during his official two-day trip.

Today, he was welcomed warmly with a guard of honour upon his arrival at the Prime Minister’s House in Islamabad for talks with PM Shehbaz, state-run Radio Pakistan reported. A contingent of the armed forces presented a guard of honour to the visiting dignitary, with the national anthems of both countries also played.

Speaking after the agreements-signing ceremony, PM Shehbaz said, “On behalf of the people of Pakistan, my government and myself, would like to extend a heartfelt welcome to Pakistan, to your second home. It is wonderful to have you after five years.”

He continued: “The people of Pakistan are extremely happy today to see you along with your delegation, visiting your brotherly country.”

The prime minister thanked Turkiye for standing by Pakistan “through thick and thin, during earthquakes and floods.”

“Your visit to Pakistan today has given a new level to our brotherly relations,” PM Shehbaz said.

President Erdogan expressed his gratitude to PM Shehbaz for the warm welcome and said, “In the seventh session of our council, which we just concluded, we have agreed to further strengthen our relation.

“Within the framework of this visit, we have signed a total of 24 agreements and MoUs (memoranda of understanding) in the fields of trade, water resources, agriculture, energy, culture, family, and social services, along with science, banking, education, defence, and health.”

He added: “Before the council meeting, my brother Shehbaz Sharif and I not only discussed our bilateral relations, but also regional and global developments, extensively.”

Earlier, Erdogan was also greeted at the PM House by Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Asim Munir, with both of them shaking hands. The Turkish president was also presented with a salute comprising various fighter jet formations, including three F-16 aircraft.

Prior to that, the prime minister introduced his cabinet members to the Turkish president, including Deputy PM and Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar, Finance Minister Muhammad Aurangzeb, Planning Minister Ahsan Iqbal, Law Minister Azam Nazeer Tarar, Education Minister Khalid Maqbool Siddiqui, Commerce Minister Jam Kamal Khan, Information Minister Attaullah Tarar, and Minister of State for IT Shaza Fatima Khawaja.

Standing in the same queue were members of the visiting Turkish delegation, whom President Erdogan introduced to PM Shehbaz. Erdogan and the prime minister also planted a sapling at the PM House.

According to DawnNewsTV, several cultural dance performances were organised as Erdogan’s motorcade passed by Constitution Avenue in Islamabad, which has been adorned by flags of both countries and banners hailing the friendly ties between them.

The government has also prepared a song in praise of the Turkish president, which was aired on various TV channels following the welcome ceremony.

Erdogan’s visit marks the final leg of President Erdogan’s overseas tour, which included stops in Malaysia and Indonesia.

A Foreign Office statement released earlier said that the visit of the Turkish president — accompanied by a high-level delegation, including ministers, senior officials, and corporate leaders — would last from Feb 12 to 13.

Plans to boost trade

During Erdogan’s visit, both countries are expected to finalise agreements to expand economic cooperation, particularly in trade and investment.

Officials have worked out plans to boost bilateral trade from $1bn to $5bn, with new memorandums of understanding (MoUs) anticipated in trade liberalisation, investment facilitation, and the removal of non-tariff barriers.

Defence cooperation remains a key pillar of Pakistan-Turkiye relations. According to the 2023 Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) report, Turkiye is Pakistan’s second-largest arms supplier, accounting for 11pc of its total arms imports. The defence partnership has grown significantly, with joint projects such as the Milgem warships, aircraft modernisation, and drone acquisitions deepening military collaboration.

Both countries have historically faced arms embargoes from Western suppliers, prompting investments in indigenous defence production. Turkiye, now a major arms exporter, views Pakistan as a strategic partner for co-production and technology transfer. High-level military engagements, joint training programmes, and defence manufacturing agreements are expected to be key discussion points.

Erdogan’s visit comes amid Turkiye’s expanding regional influence, particularly following the shifting geopolitical landscape in the Middle East after the fall of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. This transformation presents new strategic and economic opportunities for Pakistan, including potential collaboration in Syria’s post-conflict reconstruction and counterterrorism efforts.

Turkiye’s strong advocacy for Muslim causes, particularly on Palestine and Kashmir, aligns with Pakistan’s foreign policy objectives. The two leaders are expected to discuss regional security concerns, the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and broader political coordination in international forums.

With both countries looking to expand their Strategic Economic Framework (SEF), the visit is expected to facilitate negotiations on digital trade and trade liberalisation, and further tariff concessions under the Trade in Goods Agreement (TGA).

Per the FO statement, PM Shehbaz and President Erdogan would also co-chair the 7th session of the Pakistan-Turkiye High-Level Strategic Cooperation Council (HLSCC) session. The council’s last session was held in Islamabad on Feb 13-14, 2020.

 
Erdogan gifts Turkish electric cars to Zardari, Shehbaz

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan gifted Turkish-made electric cars “Togg” to President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif on Thursday.

The Togg SUVs were presented during Erdogan’s official visit to Pakistan, symbolizing the strong bilateral ties between the two nations.

Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif even took a test drive with Erdogan, getting a firsthand experience of the vehicle’s features.

Meanwhile, Pakistan and Turkiye signed twenty-four Agreements, Memorandums of Understanding (MoUs) and Protocols to further enhance cooperation and cement relations in diverse fields between the two brotherly countries.

The signing ceremony was held at the Prime Minister’s House in Islamabad on Thursday.

The two sides exchanged four MoUs to enhance Cooperation in Defence Sector, two MoUs and a Protocol in Power, Energy and Mining Sectors.

Both countries inked three MoUs for promoting cooperation in Trade and Industrial Sector, two Agreements in the fields of Water and Seed Production and two MoUs in Scientific Education and Training.

Pakistan and Turkiye also signed two MoUs in Banking Sector, one MoU for promoting bilateral cooperation in Religious Services and Religious Education, one MoU in Halal Food.


 
Pakistan, Turkiye to review trade agreement

Pakistan and Turkiye discussed on Thursday the need to revamp their preferential trade agreement with a view to addressing existing challenges and unlocking the business potential between the two countries.

The understanding was reached at a meeting between Commerce Minister Jam Kamal Khan and his Turkish counterpart, Prof Dr Omer Bolat.

According to an official announcement, the two ministers explored the possibility of reviving and strengthening the D8 Preferential Agreement to boost trade among member countries. Omer Bolat said although Turkish investors faced problems in Pakistan, nearly all of them were eager to expand their investments.

The Turkish minister revealed that during the visit, 21 agreements would be signed in key sectors such as services, tourism, education, IT, defence and infrastructure.

Jam Kamal Khan reaffirmed Islamabad’s commitment to facilitating foreign investment, highlighting efforts to streamline business operations and improve the ease of doing business.

He dwelt at length on the role of the Special Investment Facilitation Council (SIFC) in ensuring a smooth investment process for Turkish companies.

Jam Kamal appreciated the confidence shown by Turkish companies in Pakistan’s economy, citing their investments in infrastructure, manufacturing, energy, transport, and municipal services as examples of growing economic cooperation.

The minister proposed that a Made in Pakistan single-country exhibition be held in Turkiye, aiming to bring Pakistani companies across various industries to showcase their products. He recalled recent successful trade exhibitions in Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan and Ethiopia, noting that Turkiye’s strategic location makes it an ideal trade hub for Pakistan.

Omer Bolat, the Turkish trade minister, pledged to work on reciprocal trade fairs and committed to boosting Pakistani exports, particularly Basmati rice, which he said had not been fully utilised under existing agreements.

During the meeting, Omer Bolat also spoke about his country’s booming health tourism sector, which has grown significantly and now attracts a large number of foreign patients every year.

He noted that while wealthy Turkish citizens once used to go abroad for medical treatment, they now prefer Turkish hospitals, both public and private.

Recognising the potential for collaboration, Commerce Minister Jam Kamal invited Turkiye to participate in Pakistan’s healthcare and industrial expo from April 17-19, stressing that joint ventures in medical technology and hospital infrastructure could benefit both nations.

The meeting also deliberated on defence cooperation, with Omer Bolat revealing that Malaysia and Indonesia had placed major orders for Turkish defence equipment.

He reaffirmed Ankara’s commitment to working closely with Islamabad on defence projects, particularly in joint production and technology transfer.

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Im hearing news of Pakistani and Turkey agreeing on Nuclear defence agreement? Basically bringing Turkey under Pakistan’s nuclear umbrella? It would be a master stroke to do this.
 

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The guy has killed his own currency, how long more will he rule?
This is great for Turkish tourism though but tourism has hardly ever done good for a country overall.

Hopefully for another decade at least 🤣

Let us complete the trade corridor with the Israelis and Saudis.
 
Im hearing news of Pakistani and Turkey agreeing on Nuclear defence agreement? Basically bringing Turkey under Pakistan’s nuclear umbrella? It would be a master stroke to do this.

Any update on this.
Did they buy your umbrella ☂️
 
Hopefully for another decade at least 🤣

Let us complete the trade corridor with the Israelis and Saudis.
Tiny sample but the Turks that I have met are chill, they might be pro Pakistanis but overall unlike Erdogan they don’t really dislike Indians.
 
Tiny sample but the Turks that I have met are chill, they might be pro Pakistanis but overall unlike Erdogan they don’t really dislike Indians.

Everyone’s nice before you start discussing religion and politics. Decent people though. Well educated and courteous. Love their bazars 🩷
 
Everyone’s nice before you start discussing religion and politics. Decent people though. Well educated and courteous. Love their bazars 🩷
A hindu’s islamophobia dies a temporary death as soon as he boards a flight to Dubai or Turkey. This statement has passed the test of times.
 
Tiny sample but the Turks that I have met are chill, they might be pro Pakistanis but overall unlike Erdogan they don’t really dislike Indians.
The Turks I met in real life firstly came across as white/ European and never in the conversation came under the impression that they knew what Pakistan is or understood the conflict in South Asia. They knew what India was with the same good/bad tropes that a regular white person has.
 
A hindu’s islamophobia dies a temporary death as soon as he boards a flight to Dubai or Turkey. This statement has passed the test of times.
A Pakistani is not treated any differently or special in Dubai because they are Muslim. In fact good chance you will have your visa rejected if you are a Pakistani. The local population (Arabs) get rights on the resources and everyone else who has come to work is treated the same way in accordance to their law. I don’t think if Pakistan or Bangladesh were such model states and not nuisance providers, things would have been the same there also.
 
A Pakistani is not treated any differently or special in Dubai because they are Muslim. In fact good chance you will have your visa rejected if you are a Pakistani. The local population (Arabs) get rights on the resources and everyone else who has come to work is treated the same way in accordance to their law. I don’t think if Pakistan or Bangladesh were such model states and not nuisance providers, things would have been the same there also.
So you are saying as long as the Muslim is rich, you say no to islamophobia? Just like your paw pawwwww. Fellow indian muslim bad, rich Arab Muslim good sarrr.
 
The Turks I met in real life firstly came across as white/ European and never in the conversation came under the impression that they knew what Pakistan is or understood the conflict in South Asia. They knew what India was with the same good/bad tropes that a regular white person has.
Turks hate Indians with a passion and i know this from personal experience. One of the biggest social media channels on X which spreads hatred about Indians is a Turkish woman. :)

Liberal Turks also hate Pakistanis but its more because they want to associate more with their “white/euro” identity. Not because of inherent hate towards Pakistanis.
 
So you are saying as long as the Muslim is rich, you say no to islamophobia? Just like your paw pawwwww. Fellow indian muslim bad, rich Arab Muslim good sarrr.
I can’t speak for others but Why do you assume most Indians have problem with all Muslims? We don’t live in a bubble like you and have half-baked ideas and questionable intellect.

in India in school we have people from all castes and religions including teachers. I treat someone the way they treat me. Md Shami my fellow Indian Muslim is my favorite cricketer and Amir Khan is one of my fav actors.

Good Muslim/ human is good and any radical Islamist deserves the belt treatment they are getting. As Crystal clear as that. You seem to be in an identity crisis. The same abbus have rejected visa for Pakistanis. Cry me a river 😂
 
I can’t speak for others but Why do you assume most Indians have problem with all Muslims? We don’t live in a bubble like you and have half-baked ideas and questionable intellect.

in India in school we have people from all castes and religions including teachers. I treat someone the way they treat me. Md Shami my fellow Indian Muslim is my favorite cricketer and Amir Khan is one of my fav actors.

Good Muslim/ human is good and any radical Islamist deserves the belt treatment they are getting. As Crystal clear as that. You seem to be in an identity crisis. The same abbus have rejected visa for Pakistanis. Cry me a river 😂
Its clear as daylight, i see Indians on here, i see them on social media. I converse with a few on regular basis. I see them in person. The deep seated hatred that Hindu has for Muslims is unmatched.

You are the same people who dont even let Muslims live in your neighbourhoods. The same Amir Khan you mentioned spoke about how intolerant India has become and hes thinking of moving out of India.

Dont try to fool us, we know your reality quite clearly.

What part of what i said exhibited my “identity crisis”, please elaborate on this? Because these are the usual sanghi talking points without much thoughts. Dumb as hell. If Arabs or Abbus like you called them, dont give me visa, then its their choice? I dont live to seek their validation. I know one thing for a fact that you would never have the balls to call an Arab an Abbu to his face! :)
 
A hindu’s islamophobia dies a temporary death as soon as he boards a flight to Dubai or Turkey. This statement has passed the test of times.

Bro you need to take a break.
Too much Hindu Muslim, Bharat Pakistan in your head. I am concerned for your mental health as your brother. Take a chill pill man.
 
Bro you need to take a break.
Too much Hindu Muslim, Bharat Pakistan in your head. I am concerned for your mental health as your brother. Take a chill pill man.
You are the one who tags and quotes me everywhere and then starts crying after i start showing you the mirror. I am completely fine buddy, you dont need to tell me what to do. Maybe you should look up the term “self projection”.
 
You are the one who tags and quotes me everywhere and then starts crying after i start showing you the mirror. I am completely fine buddy, you dont need to tell me what to do. Maybe you should look up the term “self projection”.

Brother i tag you because i value your opinions.
 
They will probably dislike Pakistanis too if they read the threads here unless their dislike is based on religion.

I think they will have a new found love and respect for Pakistanis seeing posts from some of our brilliant brothers here
 
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