Recipe to beat India on Indian wickets in Tests

[KP From India]

1. Need an opener who can bat for 2-3 sessions. Eg. Alistair Cook
2. An attacking middle order opener, you can't be over defensive against spinners.
3. At least 2 quality spinners who would made batsmen take risks.
4. Sharp catching and running between the wickets.

 

[gani999]

1. Need an opener who can bat for 2-3 sessions. Eg. Alistair Cook
2. An attacking middle order opener, you can't be over defensive against spinners.
3. At least 2 quality spinners who would made batsmen take risks.
4. Sharp catching and running between the wickets.

England tour of India in 2012-2013 is an excellent example. England had Alastair Cook in prime form and two great spinners in Swann and Monty Panesar. They beat India 2-1.

But of course, the fact that India was captained by Dhoni the Defensive also played a role.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

2. An attacking middle order opener, you can't be over defensive against spinners.

What's an "attacking middle order opener"? A middle order batsman who's been sent out to open? That would just make him an opener.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

You need everything - a quality pace attack, good spinners and a competent batting lineup to stand a chance in India. Toughest place to tour in the world over the last 8 years

And that's not because of the pitches, but the sheer quality of a full strength Indian test side.

 

[Mamoon]

It would take a Herculean task to be the greatest Asian Test team of all time in their home conditions over the course of a series.

To beat India, you have to copy the Indian model and then try to beat them at their own game.

- A pair of fluent openers who will not miss out on loose balls but will not be overly reckless either.

- a grinder at number at 3 with tremendous temperament. He will not throw his wicket away and will only be dismissed to great deliveries.

- a master batsman at 4, well supported by a very good batsman at 5. If they go with 4 bowlers instead of 5, then the number 6 has to be a very solid batsman as well.

- a wicket-keeper who is either brilliant with the gloves or destructive with the bat.

- two pair of quality spinners who are also very competent with the bat.

- two excellent fast bowlers who are good with both new and old ball and will have the fitness to sustain their pace and intensity in their second and third spells.

At the moment, no team fits the bill. Even a world XI will not be able to able to down India in India.

Not only is the greatest Asian side ever, it is also one of the greatest home sides ever. Their home record rivals that of Lloyd’s West Indies and Ponting’s Australia.

In the last 6 years, they have only lost 1 home Test. Incredible.

 

[Varun]

Your recipe will only work if you catch us at our lowest ebb.

It won't happen in any year.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It would take a Herculean task to be the greatest Asian Test team of all time in their home conditions over the course of a series.

To beat India, you have to copy the Indian model and then try to beat them at their own game.

- A pair of fluent openers who will not miss out on loose balls but will not be overly reckless either.

- a grinder at number at 3 with tremendous temperament. He will not throw his wicket away and will only be dismissed to great deliveries.

- a master batsman at 4, well supported by a very good batsman at 5. If they go with 4 bowlers instead of 5, then the number 6 has to be a very solid batsman as well.

- a wicket-keeper who is either brilliant with the gloves or destructive with the bat.

- two pair of quality spinners who are also very competent with the bat.

- two excellent fast bowlers who are good with both new and old ball and will have the fitness to sustain their pace and intensity in their second and third spells.

At the moment, no team fits the bill. Even a world XI will not be able to able to down India in India.

Not only is the greatest Asian side ever, it is also one of the greatest home sides ever. Their home record rivals that of Lloyd’s West Indies and Ponting’s Australia.

In the last 6 years, they have only lost 1 home Test. Incredible.

*last 8 years

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The problem for touring teams this time will be that we now have a pace bowling lineup which is even better than the spinners unlike 2016.
So even if they are able to play our spinners they won't get through our pacers.
Relentless bowling attack.
Also our best pacer Bumrah will play his first match in india.

 

[Amjid Javed]

It would take a Herculean task to be the greatest Asian Test team of all time in their home conditions over the course of a series.

To beat India, you have to copy the Indian model and then try to beat them at their own game.

- A pair of fluent openers who will not miss out on loose balls but will not be overly reckless either.

- a grinder at number at 3 with tremendous temperament. He will not throw his wicket away and will only be dismissed to great deliveries.

- a master batsman at 4, well supported by a very good batsman at 5. If they go with 4 bowlers instead of 5, then the number 6 has to be a very solid batsman as well.

- a wicket-keeper who is either brilliant with the gloves or destructive with the bat.

- two pair of quality spinners who are also very competent with the bat.

- two excellent fast bowlers who are good with both new and old ball and will have the fitness to sustain their pace and intensity in their second and third spells.

At the moment, no team fits the bill. Even a world XI will not be able to able to down India in India.

Not only is the greatest Asian side ever, it is also one of the greatest home sides ever. Their home record rivals that of Lloyd’s West Indies and Ponting’s Australia.

In the last 6 years, they have only lost 1 home Test. Incredible.

Yeah such a great side they have won just 1 test series in SENA in last 10 years, well done Asians greatest HTB team!

 

[Mamoon]

*last 8 years

I was talking about the period under Kohli’s captaincy. India were unbeaten at home in 2013-14 as well, but they became the GOAT Asian Team under the leadership of the GOAT Asian captain Kohli.

His first home assignment as permanent captain was the South African series in October 2015.

 

[gazza619]

The Pakistan line up that beat England 3-0 in UAE tests or the one that beat Australia in UAE would have given a good fight to India in India.

 

[Napa]

Difficult if not impossible task when you have mid-level players like Karun Nair scoring unbeaten centuries

 

[ChTab]

The Pakistani side under Misbah would have the best chance out of any team in recent past to beat India in India. I'm not saying Pakistan would be the favorites it would be 65-35 in India favor.

But Alas we were robbed of that scenario to actually watch these 2 teams play out with each other, they should have included at least one test match in that 2013 tour.

 

[King_Kohli]

This time we are playing on new pitch.
Playing two tests in New Motera stadium.
No one knows about pitch.
Coming to the topic, no one will beat India.
Mayank and Rohit scoring double tons just for fun.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

This time we are playing on new pitch.
Playing two tests in New Motera stadium.
No one knows about pitch.
Coming to the topic, no one will beat India.
Mayank and Rohit scoring double tons just for fun.

I think Motera will be flat.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Kidnap the whole Indian team, force them to take British citizenship and bring them as England XI to Idnia.

 

[Shazzam]

Any version of Pakistan team before 2010.

 

[Manunited18]

England's plan will be to win the toss and bat big first innings, then a combo of scoreboard pressure and the depth of the England attack will enable India to collapse like a pack of cards !

 

[ChTab]

Any version of Pakistan team before 2010.

Pakistani team toured india in 07 & lost 3 match series 1-0 & they also toured India in 05 & were able to draw 3 match series 1-1.
Pakistani team of 2012 to 2014 is probably a better bet, just imagine saeed ajmal bowling before he was banned in India.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

England's plan will be to win the toss and bat big first innings, then a combo of scoreboard pressure and the depth of the England attack will enable India to collapse like a pack of cards !

Made 400 + scores while batting first when they toured last time and still lost both matches comfortably.

 

[sharmaji]

Get good spinners. Current Indian batsmen are not very good at playing good spin bowling.

 

[Manunited18]

Made 400 + scores while batting first when they toured last time and still lost both matches comfortably.

I'm confident England have enough to win the series

 

[ufcfan]

I'm confident England have enough to win the series

If we put our near to full strength side England will find it very very tough to beat us
But if we field like the one which we are fielding tomorrow against Aussies it will be a cake walk for England

 

[UzmanBeast]

1. Need an opener who can bat for 2-3 sessions. Eg. Alistair Cook
2. An attacking middle order opener, you can't be over defensive against spinners.
3. At least 2 quality spinners who would made batsmen take risks.
4. Sharp catching and running between the wickets.

Winning in India isn't as simple as this. They are a quality opposition at home, who dominate other teams in all factors. The biggest factor that lets teams down is the fact that they are incompetent when it comes to playing spin. SENA teams rarely know how to cope with wild spin on Day 4 and Day 5, which is the cause of their poor performances. If you let Ashwin and Jadeja settle into a rhythm, they will tear you apart. India's quicks also know where and how to bowl, so you need to be prolific against them as well.

What SENA teams do, in my opinion, is that they defend everything from the pacers and try to take on the spinners. Defending everything against the pacers in Asia won't work because there will be a ball with your name written on it, and attacking the spinners senselessly is also going to work against you. SENA teams have yet to convince me with their skills regarding sweep shots when the ball is spinning. You cannot play with a straight bat.

It's difficult to point out a few reasons why overseas teams can't win in India, because it depends on the team itself as well. It is very difficult to compete, from my knowledge.

 

[Napa]

Difficult if not impossible task when you have mid-level players like Karun Nair scoring unbeaten centuries

*an unbeaten triple century

England's plan will be to win the toss and bat big first innings, then a combo of scoreboard pressure and the depth of the England attack will enable India to collapse like a pack of cards !

Last Test England played in India, scoreboard pressure resulted in India 752/7d and no need to bat again

Simple fact is that Indian batting is too good in India, and only a fluke can let a visiting team get 20 wickets.

 

[Napa]

Pakistani team toured india in 07 & lost 3 match series 1-0 & they also toured India in 05 & were able to draw 3 match series 1-1.
Pakistani team of 2012 to 2014 is probably a better bet, just imagine saeed ajmal bowling before he was banned in India.

Also, Indian bowling is way better now than it was then.

 

[Sir Alex]

I dont think it is impossible. Just need to play aggressive positive cricket at all times. Indian spinners are known to go on defensive quickly if they are attacked and that's the key. Use the feet well against them and rotate strike as much as possible. Never ever let India bowl at an eco rate of lower than 3.

 

[Mesozoic]

I dont think it is impossible. Just need to play aggressive positive cricket at all times. Indian spinners are known to go on defensive quickly if they are attacked and that's the key. Use the feet well against them and rotate strike as much as possible. Never ever let India bowl at an eco rate of lower than 3.

That might as well be true for LOIs but surely not for Tests.

Attacking Ashwin and Jadeja in red ball cricket is much much easier said than done.

 

[Swashbuckler]

There are some key ingredients which are essential:

A top strike bowler with the ability to take pitch out of equation, think Marshall, Steyn, early 90s Waqar, Cummins.

An ace off spinner like Lyon, Swann. We do well against leggies (so no Warne, Yasir, MacGill), more than ok against left arm spin (Herath, Maharaj pulverized recently by Kohli and co.), vulnerable against quality orthodox off-spin. This spinner can be partnered with a lesser spinner like Panesar, Santner, Moeen.

An opener who is excellent against spin and has the habit of scoring big 100s. Opening is the easiest position in India, so someone like Cook.

A middle order batsman who is dominant and can throw Indian spinners off their line and length. Think 2012 KP or ABDV.

Another middle order batsman who is extremely consistent and quality against finger spin, with high conversion rate. Think Steven Smith or Younis Khan.

A strong multi-faceted 6-8, which can play at a high SR since we are slightly weak against lower order. Think Kock/Mushfiqur, Stokes/Shakib/Holder, Moeen/Santner.

Another tall quick with extreme discipline, like Hazlewood or Gillespie of 2004 tour. Not mentioning Broad since he hasn't done well in India for some reason.

So any team that can put this kind of XI:

Cook
x
x
Smith/Younis
KP/ABDV
Kock/Mushfiqur
Stokes/Shakib/Holder
Moeen/Santner
Lyon/Swann
Hazlewood/Gillespie
Steyn/Marshall/Cummins

The 2 xs can be random. Put in Root (excellent record in India) or Amla at number 3 and this team can definitely beat India in India in a 4 test series. Or we can go with Shakib in place of Moeen/Santner, but 2 high class ARs in a team is something we have never seen at that level, unrealistic. I don't see any team having this kind of combo even in past eras, this Indian team in India is a force of nature.

Aussies come closest since they have some of these pre-requisites: Smith, Lyon, Cummins, Hazlewood, even Starc with reverse swing and aggressive lower order batting adds a unique dimension to the team. If Labu does well in SC (say like Root), if Pucovski develops into the player CA is hoping he can be, Australia will give us the toughest fight in October 2022. By then some of our weapons like Ashwin, Shami, Umesh, Ishant, Pujara, Rohit will be on their last legs, so some vulnerabilities that can be exploited.

 

[Justcrazy]

You need batsmen who can rotate the strike against spinners and not get bogged down.

Two quality spinners, one of whom should be able to bat. One solid new ball bowler , who can strike early with new ball .

Make sure you hold on to catches.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Last time England came to India, even Jayant Yadav made a century. A certain Karun Nair made a 303* at SR of 80. Take a moment to digest that.

 

[Dingolfy]

England tour of India in 2012-2013 is an excellent example. England had Alastair Cook in prime form and two great spinners in Swann and Monty Panesar. They beat India 2-1.

But of course, the fact that India was captained by Dhoni the Defensive also played a role.

I think thats more to do with our Fab 5 being done rather than how good English was. I don’t think they would have won against current Indian team.

 

[Dingolfy]

England's plan will be to win the toss and bat big first innings, then a combo of scoreboard pressure and the depth of the England attack will enable India to collapse like a pack of cards !

They did like that in 2016 series. Batted first and scored 400 and more 3 times. Drew one and lost by an innings two times! And they had a better team then plus Indian fast bowlers were not that good with reverse swing then. If Umesh and Shami could bowl like how they did against South Africans, then its carnage awaiting England.