Red ball next with Mitchell Starc and Josh Hazlewood exhausted

[pacesensation]

No - confidence plays lot in cricket. Asad has done wonders at 6, let him stay there.

I'll bring Sarfy at 5 & drop Captain at 7. And, Babar must be told not to bother for his low scores - he should play his natural game. I said it before his ODI triple, that he is batting well, just managing to get out. Once he reaches his 1st one, he'll convert many. Same in Test - he is batting fluently for an hour or more & then getting out; he is just one good knock away from a series of big scores.

dont see him scoring a single ton in odi and tests

unless tier 1 bowler/bowlers(s) get injured

 

[pacesensation]

dont see him scoring a single ton in odi and tests

unless tier 1 bowler/bowlers(s) get injured

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] and why does it looks that new aussie allrounder who bowls medium,,,, is gonna get handsome amount of wickets??? (if he is selected)

 

[Junaids]

dont see him scoring a single ton in odi and tests

unless tier 1 bowler/bowlers(s) get injured

Are you talking about Babar Azam?

He will score 50 more future international centuries than Misbah and Younis will!

 

[street cricketer]

difference of opinion

Evidences support my opinion.

 

[pacesensation]

Are you talking about Babar Azam?

He will score 50 more future international centuries than Misbah and Younis will!

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

i meant to say that i do not see babar azam scoring a single 100 against aus in 2nd and thrid test and in the oid series that pak will play against aus




ok?

 

[pacesensation]

evidence support my opinion.

Once againt its your opinion that your opinion is supported by evidence.

hence I call it difference of opinion

 

[Zeshan547]

Are you talking about Babar Azam?

He will score 50 more future international centuries than Misbah and Younis will!

50 more centuries than younis, which mean just little matter of 90 odd international centuries, i mean this is the height of getting carried away? Or was it a typo [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] i mean you may intended to type 5 more than yk and misbah, even though that in itself is very big task but 50 more, that's beyond babar, he is good but he is no bradman or sachin or even kohli for that matter,

 

[Junaids]

50 more centuries than younis, which mean just little matter of 90 odd international centuries, i mean this is the height of getting carried away? Or was it a typo [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] i mean you may intended to type 5 more than yk and misbah, even though that in itself is very big task but 50 more, that's beyond babar, he is good but he is no bradman or sachin or even kohli for that matter,

I said fifty more than Younis and Misbah WILL.

My point being that they are finished and shouldn't be here. I will be surprised if Younis and Misbah combined make more than two more centuries ever again.

 

[Zeshan547]

I said fifty more than Younis and Misbah WILL.

My point being that they are finished and shouldn't be here. I will be surprised if Younis and Misbah combined make more than two more centuries ever again.

man why are you so desperate to get rid of this old brigade, now you will have to bear 3 centuries in this series itself 2 by yk and one by misbah, you have just awaken the old beast, just wait and watch,

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=132340]Zeshan547[/MENTION] it was obvious when Babar Azam hit his century v Australia two years ago that he was ready for Tests. He should have had two years in the team in place of Younis or Misbah, and would be the real deal now.

Brisbane showed that Sami Aslam and Babar Azam are already far more useful Test batsmen than Misbah.

Pakistan would be doing better now if Babar had replaced one of the veterans two years ago and if Salman Butt had been integrated in time for Australia. This team is playing with one hand tied behind its back due to bad selection.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Rather than focus on the past, focus on now. We have these players and we need to win this test match.

Whatever happens at the toss, we need to have a good first 2 days in the test match.

We have to score and put them under the pump.

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

i meant to say that i do not see babar azam scoring a single 100 against aus in 2nd and thrid test and in the oid series that pak will play against aus




ok?

He is doing the tougher job in AUS, which is to get a start, but not following on with a big score. AUS wickets are very good for batting, once you are set, therefore one has to make starts count. Normally, you'll see a pattern in Test innings in AUS - 2/3 innings often contributes 70%+ of total runs; which indicates, once set it's much easier there. He has to play with small targets, may be play out a session, refocus & concentrate for next hour .... It's not like UAE that, you can bore yourself for 2/3 hours dot feast - you are never safe in AUS, therefore positive intention but keeping focus & concentration is key there. Unless he improves in that area, he won't get big scores there.

 

[ego-gambit]

After the Victory (aus) & The moral victory (pak) squads will remain unchanged for sure .

 

[pacesensation]

dont see him scoring a single ton in odi and tests

unless tier 1 bowler/bowlers(s) get injured

oh just to clear this up

i mean i do not see babar azam scoring a single ton in upcoming 2nd and 3rd tests + upcoming odis against ausssies

unless tier 1 bowlers get injured or he aussie fielders get generous

 

[Mamoon]

Bat first or second - red, pink or white ball - scoreboard pressure or not - quality will shine through in the end.

 

[Junaids]

The problem is this.

Sami Aslam, who will have an excellent Test career, is mentally gone after 2 tough Tests against a brilliant new ball pair.

This is where Salman Butt, Pakistan's-about-to-be-replaced-by-Azhar-Ali-as-GOAT, should have been in the squad, on the bench ready to step up if Azhar or Sami lost form or fitness.

But Inzamam picked a wafer-thin squad in which the reserves (Sharjeel, Rizwan, Sohail, Asghar, Imran) are nowhere near ready for Test cricket Down Under, whereas Salman Butt, Umar Akmal and Mohammad Asif have all performed better here before.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

The problem is this.

Sami Aslam, who will have an excellent Test career, is mentally gone after 2 tough Tests against a brilliant new ball pair.

This is where Salman Butt, Pakistan's-about-to-be-replaced-by-Azhar-Ali-as-GOAT, should have been in the squad, on the bench ready to step up if Azhar or Sami lost form or fitness.

But Inzamam picked a wafer-thin squad in which the reserves (Sharjeel, Rizwan, Sohail, Asghar, Imran) are nowhere near ready for Test cricket Down Under, whereas Salman Butt, Umar Akmal and Mohammad Asif have all performed better here before.

All 3 are as useless as the team that collapsed here.

Only in your fantasy world, they would have changed the fortunes of this fledgling team.

 

[Statsman]

The problem is this.

Sami Aslam, who will have an excellent Test career, is mentally gone after 2 tough Tests against a brilliant new ball pair.

This is where Salman Butt, Pakistan's-about-to-be-replaced-by-Azhar-Ali-as-GOAT, should have been in the squad, on the bench ready to step up if Azhar or Sami lost form or fitness.

But Inzamam picked a wafer-thin squad in which the reserves (Sharjeel, Rizwan, Sohail, Asghar, Imran) are nowhere near ready for Test cricket Down Under, whereas Salman Butt, Umar Akmal and Mohammad Asif have all performed better here before.

Asif isn't match fit as per his own admission. Umar Akmal has been performing extremely poorly in domestics. God knows when he made his last century.

 

[Junaids]

All 3 are as useless as the team that collapsed here.

Only in your fantasy world, they would have changed the fortunes of this fledgling team.

Look at their numbers in Australia - and Asif and Butt's First Class form during this tour - and then compare it with what Sami Aslam, Misbah and Sohail/Rahat as their replacements have achieved.

After that I'm feeling gracious, so you don't have to apologise.

 

[Statsman]

Look at their numbers in Australia - and Asif and Butt's First Class form during this tour - and then compare it with what Sami Aslam, Misbah and Sohail/Rahat as their replacements have achieved.

After that I'm feeling gracious, so you don't have to apologise.

I guess you missed Asif's interview in Urdu (an Asian language) where he has clearly admitted that he isn't fit enough to play for the international team.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Look at their numbers in Australia - and Asif and Butt's First Class form during this tour - and then compare it with what Sami Aslam, Misbah and Sohail/Rahat as their replacements have achieved.

After that I'm feeling gracious, so you don't have to apologise.

I am not going to look at numbers 6 years from now, and decide my team based on that.

Heck, why doesn't Warne play for Australia because his numbers were great 10 years ago and surely he can outbowl Lyon.

You don't look at numbers from yesteryear and build your core team around them.

 

[Junaids]

Asif isn't match fit as per his own admission. Umar Akmal has been performing extremely poorly in domestics. God knows when he made his last century.

Asif didn't say that. He said "I will be going to the national cricket academy after the domestic season ends next month and I will be working on my fitness with the trainers and coaches there. So there will be no more problems with my fitness."

I interpreted that as being about his rib injury two months ago.

But if he isn't matchfit, blame whatever genius unlawfully obstructed him from playing First Class season a year ago even though his ban was over.

I don't want Asif back particularly - I thought he was needed in the 8 Tests outside Asia this year.

 

[Junaids]

I am not going to look at numbers 6 years from now, and decide my team based on that.

Heck, why doesn't Warne play for Australia because his numbers were great 10 years ago and surely he can outbowl Lyon.

You don't look at numbers from yesteryear and build your core team around them.

The core team is

Azhar Ali
Asad Shafiq
Babar Azam
Sarfraz Ahmed
Mohammad Amir
Yasir Shah

And yes, you absolutely base the rest of the team around past performance in the conditions.

We all knew that Ijaz Ahmed would always perform in Australia.

We all knew that Terry Alderman would always perform in England.

And it's obvious that at the age of 32 Salman Butt would perform in Australia.

 

[Gilly]

The core team is

Azhar Ali
Asad Shafiq
Babar Azam
Sarfraz Ahmed
Mohammad Amir
Yasir Shah

And yes, you absolutely base the rest of the team around past performance in the conditions.

We all knew that Ijaz Ahmed would always perform in Australia.

We all knew that Terry Alderman would always perform in England.

And it's obvious that at the age of 32 Salman Butt would perform in Australia.

Starc would have eaten Butt, it is ridiculous to think that Butt would have managed to score any runs in this series. Just because he scored a few runs 6-7 years ago without ever playing on an Australian pitch since is just fantasy talk. The batsmen that play regular international cricket sometimes have a good series in Australia but come undone the next series. You have just assumed history dictates the future, not so my friend.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Salman Hayden should be brought back into the test team for the final match.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Starc would have eaten Butt, it is ridiculous to think that Butt would have managed to score any runs in this series. Just because he scored a few runs 6-7 years ago without ever playing on an Australian pitch since is just fantasy talk. The batsmen that play regular international cricket sometimes have a good series in Australia but come undone the next series. You have just assumed history dictates the future, not so my friend.

Sehwag also scored runs in 2003/2004 australia tour but didn't do anything special in the next tours to australia.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

If this is how they bowl when they are exhausted imagine what they're like when they are fresh and raring to go.

 

[pacesensation]

He is doing the tougher job in AUS, which is to get a start, but not following on with a big score. AUS wickets are very good for batting, once you are set, therefore one has to make starts count. Normally, you'll see a pattern in Test innings in AUS - 2/3 innings often contributes 70%+ of total runs; which indicates, once set it's much easier there. He has to play with small targets, may be play out a session, refocus & concentrate for next hour .... It's not like UAE that, you can bore yourself for 2/3 hours dot feast - you are never safe in AUS, therefore positive intention but keeping focus & concentration is key there. Unless he improves in that area, he won't get big scores there.

But why is that he loses his concentration mostly against better teams?
Maybe he is not that good against better teams?

He has been below average on this tour, like i said i dont see him scoring a ton in this tour unless tier one bowlers get injured or aussies get generous.

All I have seen about babar azam is that he is not a good batsman against better opposition and outside asia


Regards

 

[geraltofrivia]

Sehwag also scored runs in 2003/2004 australia tour but didn't do anything special in the next tours to australia.

Saved the match in Adelaide 2008.

 

[MMHS]

But why is that he loses his concentration mostly against better teams?
Maybe he is not that good against better teams?

He has been below average on this tour, like i said i dont see him scoring a ton in this tour unless tier one bowlers get injured or aussies get generous.

All I have seen about babar azam is that he is not a good batsman against better opposition and outside asia


Regards

It's more mental than technical. PAK young players are groomed in domestic system which is comfortably inferior to the Birmingham or Lancashire league; hence young players are not developed to compete at highest level. You'll hardly see any PAK batsman bloosming before 30 in recent times - that's after 5/6 years of international cricket. Ideally, a batsman should be at his peak betweeen genuine 23 to 35; for PAK players, that starts from genuine 29.

Second problem is, every team works in your batting - take an example of Malik. After his 245, I categorically wrote that he might fail in next 5 innings, because now Poms have 10+ hours of his batting footage. There are several PAK youngsters that started with a bang - that's natural talent/skill what ever you say; only to fade away in a year or 2. This is where County cricket came till 80s - youngsters with natural skills were hired by Counties after 1 or 2 good knocks on potential, then they were groomed in to pro, who could tactically counter the bowling - its like a game where bowlers constantly trying to find holes, batsman constantly trying to cover the hole, until another one is found.

Besides, in olden days, PAK FC was played on belters, which at least helped batsmen to play long, long, long innings, while pacers had to beat it through speed in air & spinners had to flight it. Now, it's a 250 overs joke which doesn't help preparing batsman for longer concentration, neither bowlers to find a way to get batsmen out.

Babar's only chance is to learn from Mickey on job - that's Test/ODI for PAK, & he has to do it from 3. It's like learning swimming - in Canada my kids will learn from swimming schools where they'll be given proper instructors, costume, guidelines & safety measures in the process - I learned it in my village home after swolling enough pond water. My uncle used to push me into pond & one day I found that somehow I have learned how to keep my head high above water; but I can't tell how it happened, neither my uncle ever told me how to do it - I just learned from my instinct of survival. Sadly, Babar can't go to his uncles (Basit Alis) in this regard.

I believe, he'll come good in 2nd innings - one last chance in AUS. Virat also struggled in his first few Tests in AUS/ENG - but he had mentors to guide & system to polish his skills - Babar has to invent his way of doing it, himself, may be only Mickey can help him.

 

[pacesensation]

It's more mental than technical. PAK young players are groomed in domestic system which is comfortably inferior to the Birmingham or Lancashire league; hence young players are not developed to compete at highest level. You'll hardly see any PAK batsman bloosming before 30 in recent times - that's after 5/6 years of international cricket. Ideally, a batsman should be at his peak betweeen genuine 23 to 35; for PAK players, that starts from genuine 29.

Second problem is, every team works in your batting - take an example of Malik. After his 245, I categorically wrote that he might fail in next 5 innings, because now Poms have 10+ hours of his batting footage. There are several PAK youngsters that started with a bang - that's natural talent/skill what ever you say; only to fade away in a year or 2. This is where County cricket came till 80s - youngsters with natural skills were hired by Counties after 1 or 2 good knocks on potential, then they were groomed in to pro, who could tactically counter the bowling - its like a game where bowlers constantly trying to find holes, batsman constantly trying to cover the hole, until another one is found.

Besides, in olden days, PAK FC was played on belters, which at least helped batsmen to play long, long, long innings, while pacers had to beat it through speed in air & spinners had to flight it. Now, it's a 250 overs joke which doesn't help preparing batsman for longer concentration, neither bowlers to find a way to get batsmen out.

Babar's only chance is to learn from Mickey on job - that's Test/ODI for PAK, & he has to do it from 3. It's like learning swimming - in Canada my kids will learn from swimming schools where they'll be given proper instructors, costume, guidelines & safety measures in the process - I learned it in my village home after swolling enough pond water. My uncle used to push me into pond & one day I found that somehow I have learned how to keep my head high above water; but I can't tell how it happened, neither my uncle ever told me how to do it - I just learned from my instinct of survival. Sadly, Babar can't go to his uncles (Basit Alis) in this regard.

I believe, he'll come good in 2nd innings - one last chance in AUS. Virat also struggled in his first few Tests in AUS/ENG - but he had mentors to guide & system to polish his skills - Babar has to invent his way of doing it, himself, may be only Mickey can help him.

Sir, The argument is about criminal overhype of babar azam on pakpassion by reputed ppers. I am not a good judge of a batsman but if someone like me could see through his caliber as a batsman then i am not wrong that others are just too adamant to accept that he might not be that good.

Good news for babar azam is that starc and hazzlewood would be rested for a few odis. So maybe he scores some runs and ppers inflate his performance by 400%, thus making him great again but maybe selection of 6'96 billy stanlake ho is in line for pakistan vs odi series. He might compensate for hazzlewood and starc's rest.

Regards

 

[pacesensation]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

in other words, he cannot improvise when it gets tough. He has issues which means that he is not that good. Good batters cannot be worked out by opposition easily, they change their game a bit to outfox the bowling opposition.

Though i hope that he proves me wrong