Religious scholar Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza arrested in Jhelum

[RidiculousMan]

I am not actively learning from a specific scholar though I should consider it because it is valuable to have a personal tutor which is local to you so it’s something someone can find out personally; in my local mosque there’s a syrian sheikh they’ve hired recently who has studied at Al Azhar & I attend seminars when I get the time. However, I’ve committed to reading the English translation of the Quran, there’s a very simple / renowned text by Abdel Haleem which is recommended for beginners, I prefer that opposed to Youtube and I am trying to focus more on that then anything & it’s an on-going challenge. As for other scholars, I’ve not explored his work enough but Abdal Hakeem ul Murad is very respected in the UK and has set up a college in Cambridge with a specific curriculum to train Imam’s to help the community access the religion much better.

Abdul Haleem's English translation is pretty good. Maulana Maududi also has an English translation now which is pretty good too.

I think usually for people who are serious. It is better to read translations of 2-3 scholars together. As you can see and compare different viewpoints in certain sections.

 

[shaz619]

Abdul Haleem's English translation is pretty good. Maulana Maududi also has an English translation now which is pretty good too.

I think usually for people who are serious. It is better to read translations of 2-3 scholars together. As you can see and compare different viewpoints in certain sections.

If you have the luxury, your parents should be the best teachers. I don’t see the point in comparing so many views personally unless I am trying to get a degree or something, Islamic theology is complicated, but the fundamentals are simple & for me, fine tuning those is important. If you’re reading multiple views, you are risking confusing yourself, I can see a revert doing that or someone who is struggling with their faith in general. But other then that, if I am reading the fairly simple & neutral text I suggested before, I don’t know what I’d be gaining by reading more of the same by somebody else. I rather just work on understanding the text before me. Each to their own.

 

[Justcrazy]

If I don't know any better. I'm asking you to tell me better. Who should I learn Islam from?

Everyone , no need to limit oneself for knowledge . Till they speak from Books , not from their own self. If I name one person here , i would be doing the same thing I have been speaking against , that is personality worship.

 

[Justcrazy]

I am not actively learning from a specific scholar though I should consider it because it is valuable to have a personal tutor which is local to you so it’s something someone can find out personally; in my local mosque there’s a syrian sheikh they’ve hired recently who has studied at Al Azhar & I attend seminars when I get the time. However, I’ve committed to reading the English translation of the Quran, there’s a very simple / renowned text by Abdel Haleem which is recommended for beginners, I prefer that opposed to Youtube and I am trying to focus more on that then anything & it’s an on-going challenge. As for other scholars, I’ve not explored his work enough but Abdal Hakeem ul Murad is very respected in the UK and has set up a college in Cambridge with a specific curriculum to train Imam’s to help the community access the religion much better.

So if someone wants to hear him , the person has to use you tube as a platform.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I do see where you are coming from & I value your opinion, but having that same background as him and you to, in my profession we really value specialists. So anybody and everybody shouldn’t be qualified to talk about a religion as complex as Islam, if he is serious, he should further his education by training to be a sheikh at Al-Azhar university etc or a similar institution, that way he can combine his background with the deeper studies of religious texts and bring more benefit to peope opposed to relying on raige bait for views and getting himself arrested, that automatically will have the opposite impact in Pakistan, the average Joe Blogs in his country probably look at him as the Devil, you need to work a bit more differently if the goal is to spread knowledge in his home country but he clearly has a global fanbase. It’s not just him but I don’t listen to other such individuals either unless they are an expert in the field.

That's fine and a safe stance to take when it comes to religion.

From my own perspective and Using your example in STEM if I wanted to learn about certain topics in detail I would of course learn from a recognized lecturer who has a deep scholarly background in the field. Say for example I wanted to understand the design and structure of the Burj Khalifa in detail.

But if I wanted to learn about the history of cthr Burj Khalifa and the evolution of those designs, and the economics etc I wouldn't need to learn it from someone who had that indepth knowledge of the engineering. I could learn from some one who has studied the history themselves and is capable of analyzing it and understanding it. Engineer falls into this camp for me.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Maulana Ishaq was a great scholar. I have never seen anyone like him. Off course he can make mistakes , but he never lied or hid facts. If he was talking with barelvi , he would talk through Barelvi books , if with shias he will use their rijal books , if with ahle hadeeth he used books of Nawab Siddik Hassan etc. He never used books of opposition to refute points.

He has been a tremendous influence on me considering I was started to get annoyed by Saudi style Salafi dawah, I found his works and was able to strengthen my own faith

 

[shaz619]

So if someone wants to hear him , the person has to use you tube as a platform.

It’s not necessary or the only path to be heard that way, but yeah maybe you are on to something because getting arrested is great publicity

 

[shaz619]

That's fine and a safe stance to take when it comes to religion.

From my own perspective and Using your example in STEM if I wanted to learn about certain topics in detail I would of course learn from a recognized lecturer who has a deep scholarly background in the field. Say for example I wanted to understand the design and structure of the Burj Khalifa in detail.

But if I wanted to learn about the history of cthr Burj Khalifa and the evolution of those designs, and the economics etc I wouldn't need to learn it from someone who had that indepth knowledge of the engineering. I could learn from some one who has studied the history themselves and is capable of analyzing it and understanding it. Engineer falls into this camp for me.

That’s fine because you understand what you’re consuming, for many of the plebs out there (a few in this thread evidently) they put these Youtubers on a pedestal and it’s the only platform to learn something

 

[LordJames]

Why Mirza?

I have had this conversation with many Pakistani Scholars, why do people of Pakistan turn to YouTube to learn their Islam in a country full of thousands of Scholars, Darul-ulooms and Mosques.

A young man prays in the Masjid behind an Imam but doesn't consult the same Imam for his religious needs but goes to YouTube and consults XYZ?

Why?

How did Mirza find an audience in the millions in a country with a Mosque at every corner, there are thousands upon thousands of Ulama in Pakistan (and thousands graduating) every year. In my opinion it is because:​

1. Youngsters (specially university graduate) do not trust the Ulama​
2. The Ulama do not relate to the Youngsters.​

There is the opposite side of this too where many Youngster cling to "religious figures" despite all evidence to the contrary so Pakistan is a society where:​

• Youngsters are clinging to "religious figures" be it Deobandi, Barelwee, Salafi, Khawarij or whatever​
• Youngsters are abandoning them and taking their Islam from YouTube or outside figures, the welcome given to Dr Zakir Naik in Pakistan was an eyeopener for me, why??? Pakistan has millions of scholars and many of the questions asked were childish!​

Pakistan has a problem and Mirza is a symptom. Since the discussions on PakPassion, I have heard his lectures and he has nothing significant to offer! How has this guy worshiped as a "celebrity" in Pakistan and despised from the other side, he is nothing special and has nothing special to offer.

I have now also heard Sahil Adheem with his "portal theory" and "psychology"

What is going on in Pakistan with all this YouTube celebrities???