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What did Mohsin say? Can we get some translations?
Mohsin said Mickey was a 'stupid donkey.'
Mohsin is and has always been mentally unstable. The decision by Mani to put Mohsin in an all-important cricket committee and that too as Chairman is shockingly poor.
Mickey Arthur should be more thick skinned. No coach in the world demands an apology over criticism.
Did Micky Arthur apologize to Wahab Riaz and other Pakistani players he openly undiplomatically criticized in the media?
To be fair, he called him a "stupid donkey."
That's not constructive criticism.
To be fair, he called him a "stupid donkey."
That's not constructive criticism.
Good decision by Arthur.
This is no way to behave, insulting someone then later willing to work with him
We were told that the PCB will be a more professional setup now...
Either Mohsin Khan will stay or will Mickey Arthur. There is no way these two are going to be working together and I wish with all my heart that Mohsin is the one to go. Arthur leaving the team at this time would be disastrous for us.
For an organization which 'forgets' to publish annual reports for 7 years, the road to normalcy will take more than a few months. Some lessons will be learnt and issues fixed.
I agree, publishing fabricated figures for point scoring is certainly the first step on the road to normalcy.
Rather be called that than be insulted like Riaz. Imagine putting effort in training and working on your craft, and to be simply told you were essentially worthless and didn't win a game in 2 years. Pretty humiliating. And was made from someone who worked, coached and Riaz likely put his trust in.To be fair, he called him a "stupid donkey."
That's not constructive criticism.
Rather be called that than be insulted like Riaz. Imagine putting effort in training and working on your craft, and to be simply told you were essentially worthless and didn't win a game in 2 years. Pretty humiliating. And was made from someone who worked, coached and Riaz likely put his trust in.
And the comment on Riaz wasn't constructive criticism it was flat out incorrect and exaggeration. Sure maybe Riaz wasn't amazing and deserved to be dropped, but saying he hasn't won a game is just wrong. It's just overlooked just because Riaz isn't in favour anymore, so people think it's alright to flat out insult him like that.
Mohsin has been mocked for his behaviour in the media, and has no relationship or accountability to Mickey. It's wrong and he should rightly be criticised over it. But yeah pretty funny he's taking offence himself when he's been pretty insensitive himself.
I agree, publishing fabricated figures for point scoring is certainly the first step on the road to normalcy.
What did Mohsin say? Can we get some translations?
Mohsin was absolutely right.
I respect Mani as he is a man with integrity. But he seems incompetent and too old for the job. Imran did a great injustice with Pakistan Cricket by removing Sethi- who was doing a wonderful job.
I’d be pleasantly surprised if Mani even manages to convince one team to tour Pakistan. I personally think Pakistan cricket will regress under Mani.
I respect Mani as he is a man with integrity. But he seems incompetent and too old for the job. Imran did a great injustice with Pakistan Cricket by removing Sethi- who was doing a wonderful job.
I’d be pleasantly surprised if Mani even manages to convince one team to tour Pakistan. I personally think Pakistan cricket will regress under Mani.
In this “Brawl”, if Arthur leaves his role, PCB might have to hire a Dinesh Ramdhin equivalent for “foreign coach”’s role.
I wasn’t aware of this “donkey calling” staff - if it was just prior to the appointment, then I have to say quite naive by Mani; or may be he is not willing to continue with Arthur. Either ways, not a good case for PCT.
I respect Mani as he is a man with integrity. But he seems incompetent and too old for the job. Imran did a great injustice with Pakistan Cricket by removing Sethi- who was doing a wonderful job.
I’d be pleasantly surprised if Mani even manages to convince one team to tour Pakistan. I personally think Pakistan cricket will regress under Mani.
Mickey is not leaving the role as issue is just with the committee. Secondly its not Bangladesh cricket team who cant hire a decent foreign coach, there were other decent options as well when Mickey was hired.
In this “Brawl”, if Arthur leaves his role, PCB might have to hire a Dinesh Ramdhin equivalent for “foreign coach”’s role.
I wasn’t aware of this “donkey calling” staff - if it was just prior to the appointment, then I have to say quite naive by Mani; or may be he is not willing to continue with Arthur. Either ways, not a good case for PCT.
Your assumption is baffling!!! Could you care to explain how you came up with such a high level conclusion.
Mohsin Khan was nothing more than a tea sipping cheerleader during his brief stint as coach in 2011/12. He tried to emotionally blackmail the PCB into keeping him on full-time despite being told from the start he was an INTERIM coach.
His planet sized ego meant he couldn't accept being replaced by a vastly more qualified and experienced international coach in Dav Whatmore and kept badmouthing him throughout his tenure.
Meanwhile Mickey Arthur was instrumental in reviving South Africa after a low point under Ray Jennings in the mid-2000s and oversaw the development of two of the finest cricketers of the 21st Century in AB De Villiers and Dale Steyn. Despite difficulties with Australia - he gave Test debuts to David Warner and Mitchell Starc.
He has taken us to #1 ranking in Tests and T20s, and has lifted our ODI ranking from #9 to #5. Pakistan won their first global 50 over tournament since 1992 under his watch. He has blooded a generation of youngsters and has revolutionised the team in fielding and fitness.
There is no comparison between a world class coach and a failed B movie Bollywood actor whose incessant whining and disgusting insults thrown at someone doing their level best for Pakistan cricket represent a loss of any shred of dignity he once had.
Mickey is not leaving the role as issue is just with the committee. Secondly its not Bangladesh cricket team who cant hire a decent foreign coach, there were other decent options as well when Mickey was hired.
Your assumption is baffling!!! Could you care to explain how you came up with such a high level conclusion.
I respect Mani as he is a man with integrity. But he seems incompetent and too old for the job. Imran did a great injustice with Pakistan Cricket by removing Sethi- who was doing a wonderful job.
I’d be pleasantly surprised if Mani even manages to convince one team to tour Pakistan. I personally think Pakistan cricket will regress under Mani.
Reading too much into the post. The point was to highlight the ridiculousness of the situation.
Hiring Mohsin Khan in the first place was a massive mistake considering his track record. If somehow this situation isn't resolved and leads to Arthur quitting (very unlikely) then it would look REALLY bad for the PCB, and rightfully so. However, common sense should (hopefully) prevail in this matter.
Reading too much into the post. The point was to highlight the ridiculousness of the situation.
Hiring Mohsin Khan in the first place was a massive mistake considering his track record. If somehow this situation isn't resolved and leads to Arthur quitting (very unlikely) then it would look REALLY bad for the PCB, and rightfully so. However, common sense should (hopefully) prevail in this matter.
Some of the PAK retiered players spout so much rubbish against foreign coaches that I thought this was usual MHK rant from the time Arthur was appointed (instead of him) - later came to realize that it's from about a week back and he is appointed as the head of that group, after this!!!
Calling a head coach such, being appointed by 3 major cricket nations, who took SAF & PAK No. 1, five out of possible six should suggest what he is going to do in this role.
So far, Mani has been a disappointment.
His vision is impressive with cricket committee and domestic reforms but execution is going to be the key. Other than Mohsin all his appointments have been non controversial, cant deny Mohsin's caliber but his weakness is he lets his emotions ride him
His vision is impressive with cricket committee and domestic reforms but execution is going to be the key. Other than Mohsin all his appointments have been non controversial, cant deny Mohsin's caliber but his weakness is he lets his emotions ride him
Mickey is not leaving the role as issue is just with the committee. Secondly its not Bangladesh cricket team who cant hire a decent foreign coach, there were other decent options as well when Mickey was hired.
What a pathetic comment and dig at a good quality poster. Why are you so salty? Cut down this jingoism.
BD has nothing to do with this thread and [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] is spot on. Do not take cheap digs at other people's nationalities or race!!
What a pathetic comment and dig at a good quality poster. Why are you so salty? Cut down this jingoism.
BD has nothing to do with this thread and [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] is spot on. Do not take cheap digs at other people's nationalities or race!!
Leave it. I expected better from Mani (read Khan’s hand picked guy).
First that financial statement (which Sethi ‘ll make him swallow, trust me - I have seen few figures, and Sethi is a crook, but a capable crook & quite smart - won’t have sent legal notice unless his a$$ was covered), then this. Before that Zakir Khan & a popular statement of finishing department cricket.
In Bengali, there is an old say - Bahattur er Bura”. (Buddha of 72) ..... Mani has crossed the age of 72 already.
There is an even better one in Pashto: “che da shpayto she no da wishto shay”. When you turn 60, it is time to throw you out.
60 is also the official age of retirement in government service, but when it comes to PCB, that is when your career takes off.
Some Sethi-lovers on this board will say any number of things to discredit Mani. Guess what? Sethi isn't coming back and neither are his incompetent cronies who were holding onto jobs they clearly didn't deserve. This was by no means a good decision but saying Mani is a sham and a failure only highlights your bias.
Running the PCB is not rocket-science. If a half-decent journalist who has no connection to cricket can run it then so can a man who actually has a background in cricket administration. Atleast he has the integrity to not go begging to India for a series after every few months.