[Report] Playing XI for Pakistan team now in hands of five-member Selection Committee!

[shaz619]

Fakhar got played by these lot, but it’s fine, this is the first step in the destruction of actor.

 

[Wattoo]

The selection of the playing XI is usually a collaborative effort between the captain and the coach, incorporating input from selectors and other management staff. Their combined expertise and understanding of the game, players, and match conditions lead to a more informed and strategic selection process.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Rumours that Fakhar would be dropped for Australia series as a punishment for tweeting against PCB .

Also reports suggest Mr. Rizwan is gonna be next captain. With him captain Pak should play some tournament related to comedy/circus too

Interesting. If that happens then it means it will take some ruining to dismiss Usman Wahla

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This is absolutely absurd and I hope it isn't true.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Who is going to select the team after this selection is sacked in two weeks? The Chairman? or is it going to be the Army Chief?

 

[Kianig89]

Rizwan as captain unbelievable, knowing captaincy in Pakistan team is a perishable item won't be surprised if he is axed by the end of tour.

 

[Farabi]

Not at all, I think you're jumping the gun.

First of all, it's based on reports. Nothing has been confirmed by the PCB; this could just be speculative news.

Secondly, consider the boardroom situation:

Five new selectors come in and decide that Babar, Naseem, and Shaheen won't be in the next game. The coach and captain disagree and want them in the game.

What are the selectors supposed to do—sack the captain in the middle of a series? Instead, they revoke the coach and captain from having the final say on the playing XI.

Had mohsin naqvi sacked the coach and captain in the middle of a series you would be the first one complaining

Before appointing someone as captain or coach, thoughtful consideration is crucial. But once appointed, they deserve support throughout their term. If on the ground, Shan and Gillespie believe Babar should play the entire series, that decision should be respected. Gillespie was hired for his expertise—if you don't trust it, why hire him? You could just appoint anyone and dictate orders. This is not how you build scalable systems and processes.

 

[emranabbas]

Before appointing someone as captain or coach, thoughtful consideration is crucial. But once appointed, they deserve support throughout their term. If on the ground, Shan and Gillespie believe Babar should play the entire series, that decision should be respected. Gillespie was hired for his expertise—if you don't trust it, why hire him? You could just appoint anyone and dictate orders. This is not how you build scalable systems and processes.

I disagree and most people who are happy with pakistans win in the last test also disagree its only sore loosers who support babar will agree with you.

It's plain and simple if a spin track was prepared then the right players should be playing on that track

Nauman sajid kamran did a great job

If the coach and the captain want to show love for babar then they can to it at the own expense not on the expense of pakiatan losing a test

Selectors made the right decision by revoking input of the coach and captain in the playing XI

 

[mominsaigol]

No fakhar means no chance of winning

 

[SportsWarrior]

They clearly did a better job than the team management

 

[deltexas]

If it is true, it May conflict with the PCB's selection policy.

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As per reports:

To take on the captaincy, Mohammad Rizwan has set strict conditions, demanding authority over team selection and requesting specific players.

He wants complete authority during the Australia tour before taking on the heavy responsibility of captaincy.

Oh wow ! I thought Shan Masood is the captain and he just won a test. I am assuming this is for ODI/T20 captaincy

 

[Cricket Warrior]

good secision tbh... this is the only way they can break the influence of Roti Gang.

 

[Snowflake]

Absolutely bonkers if the captain and coach have no say in playing XI.

After an unfavorable result, the captian can easily steer the blame towards the selection committee by saying something like "I had no input in the team that was put out."

 

[emranabbas]

Absolutely bonkers if the captain and coach have no say in playing XI.

After an unfavorable result, the captian can easily steer the blame towards the selection committee by saying something like "I had no input in the team that was put out."

No this wouldn't happen

Captains and coaches playing xi has not won us a test in years

Selection committee selected a playing xi and we win out first Test

 

[mominsaigol]

So is rizwan confirmed as whiteball captain now?

 

[ahmed16]

So is rizwan confirmed as whiteball captain now?

I would be surprised if he isn't, no one else willing to lead in the white ball set up is remotely qualified to lead, based on current form.

The only other more surprising move would be for PCB to appoint Shan Masood as captain across all formats, which in the realm of possibilities, is entirely possible.

 

[zarak]

what is the selection like for Aus and England. I believe selectors pick the final 11 in Aus.

 

[zarak]

Absolutely bonkers if the captain and coach have no say in playing XI.

After an unfavorable result, the captian can easily steer the blame towards the selection committee by saying something like "I had no input in the team that was put out."

This is how it is usually. Captains have to earn their powers by delivering results. If you make good decisions and perform you get more power. You can not average 29 lose 6 on the trot and expect powers.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

So is rizwan confirmed as whiteball captain now?

not announced yet but almost finalised!

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Well this won’t last long. Not the usual practice. How can captain not have a say in selection.
Give the authority to toss and set field placements also to this committee.

But if it is Captain clueless Shan Masood than it is better someone else does it. A non performing captain is a very weak captain.

 

[BouncerGuy]

So is rizwan confirmed as whiteball captain now?

according to some reports, he has presented some tough conditions, if he is to be made a captain, like player selections etc but so far there is no confirmed news.

But we all know, Rizwan is gonna be made captain soon.

 

[mominsaigol]

according to some reports, he has presented some tough conditions, if he is to be made a captain, like player selections etc but so far there is no confirmed news.

But we all know, Rizwan is gonna be made captain soon.

Man, I didn't know Skynet and the end of humanity would come so soon and that rizwan would be the terminator model smh.

 

[aukhan]

Bad Idea.

The blame will go to this committee then. No matter who the captain is, they should not be bashed for the playing XI anymore.

 

[Caved12]

There’s definitely something going on behind the scenes. Gillespie looked extremely serious and unsmiling when he came out to shake hands with the players after the series victory against England in the third test match. He was promised a role where his vision and plans would take priority, but after the first test loss, Pakistan panicked and made drastic changes. While I support Aaqib Javed’s role in helping us win this series, it’s frustrating to see the PCB once again making a mess of the situation by acting late and impulsively. If players were going to be dropped, that decision should have come before the series began.

It seems Gillespie himself was prepared to make tough calls as he dropped Shaheen in the second test against Bangladesh. But he also aimed to create a culture of accountability where players were given the chance to correct their mistakes before being removed from the squad entirely. His goal has been to build a team where responsibility for improvement lies with each player, but unfortunately, the PCB sidelined him mid-series.

Aaqib and Naqvi should have gotten him on board before making these changes, and they should have announced that the coaching staff, captain, and selectors were aligned on these decisions.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

There’s definitely something going on behind the scenes. Gillespie looked extremely serious and unsmiling when he came out to shake hands with the players after the series victory against England in the third test match. He was promised a role where his vision and plans would take priority, but after the first test loss, Pakistan panicked and made drastic changes. While I support Aaqib Javed’s role in helping us win this series, it’s frustrating to see the PCB once again making a mess of the situation by acting late and impulsively. If players were going to be dropped, that decision should have come before the series began.

It seems Gillespie himself was prepared to make tough calls as he dropped Shaheen in the second test against Bangladesh. But he also aimed to create a culture of accountability where players were given the chance to correct their mistakes before being removed from the squad entirely. His goal has been to build a team where responsibility for improvement lies with each player, but unfortunately, the PCB sidelined him mid-series.

Aaqib and Naqvi should have gotten him on board before making these changes, and they should have announced that the coaching staff, captain, and selectors were aligned on these decisions.

I believe after Gillespie no foreign coach will be interested in coaching PCT. PCB is a circus

 

[Caved12]

I believe after Gillespie no foreign coach will be interested in coaching PCT. PCB is a circus

I have the same fear.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

This is wrong and selectors have made their point already. Your captain and coach should be able to select the XI.

Under Misbah and Babar even if there is a space or vacancy to try a young or new player they simply didn't. Maybe fear that if the new player performs well their friends might have sit out for a longer period

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Rumours that Fakhar would be dropped for Australia series as a punishment for tweeting against PCB .

Also reports suggest Mr. Rizwan is gonna be next captain. With him captain Pak should play some tournament related to comedy/circus too

With Rizwan as captain it is pertinent to keep him out of selection, otherwise he will keep all his friends in the team and make another friends 11 like Babar.

 

[Xoib]

There’s definitely something going on behind the scenes. Gillespie looked extremely serious and unsmiling when he came out to shake hands with the players after the series victory against England in the third test match. He was promised a role where his vision and plans would take priority, but after the first test loss, Pakistan panicked and made drastic changes. While I support Aaqib Javed’s role in helping us win this series, it’s frustrating to see the PCB once again making a mess of the situation by acting late and impulsively. If players were going to be dropped, that decision should have come before the series began.

It seems Gillespie himself was prepared to make tough calls as he dropped Shaheen in the second test against Bangladesh. But he also aimed to create a culture of accountability where players were given the chance to correct their mistakes before being removed from the squad entirely. His goal has been to build a team where responsibility for improvement lies with each player, but unfortunately, the PCB sidelined him mid-series.

Aaqib and Naqvi should have gotten him on board before making these changes, and they should have announced that the coaching staff, captain, and selectors were aligned on these decisions.

Yeah gillispie and Shan should have more role in final xi selected

 

[emranabbas]

Yeah gillispie and Shan should have more role in final xi selected

Yes like Babar playing on a spinning track when he's absolutely rubbish playing spin?

Or naseem and shaheen bowling on tracks where we have just won 2 tests without a single fast bowler bowling?

 

[mominsaigol]

Lol, first people loved Gillsipie even though he wasn't providing results.

Now that he has no power and aqib javed dropped Babar and Shaheen all of the sudden Gillespie bad .

No offence but Gillespie is a rubbish coach. Dude thinks coaching county and leagues and being buddies and creating a friendship culture which works in leagues will work on international
Haha.

 

[Xoib]

Yes like Babar playing on a spinning track when he's absolutely rubbish playing spin?

Or naseem and shaheen bowling on tracks where we have just won 2 tests without a single fast bowler bowling?

I said more role not absolute authority there is a difference

 

[Abid Z]

Lol, first people loved Gillsipie even though he wasn't providing results.

Now that he has no power and aqib javed dropped Babar and Shaheen all of the sudden Gillespie bad .

No offence but Gillespie is a rubbish coach. Dude thinks coaching county and leagues and being buddies and creating a friendship culture which works in leagues will work on international
Haha.

Gillespie is not a rubbish coach. He’s a fabulous coach and used to really important coaching stints but not at international level. It takes time to adjust to international level coaching.

The issue isn’t the coach or captain it’s more the board and the whole set up. Not enough decent players are given chances and when they are we find out they are not quite ready for international cricket.

For instance you have a few youngsters that have probably never left the country and they are headed to the fastest pitches on earth against the best bowlers in the world. Why wouldn’t you need an Aussie legand helping them. But he can’t make them international standard in a week…and there lies the dilemma…why couldn’t these youngsters be announced and sent off a week early to Australia to be with Gary Kirsten.

 

[mominsaigol]

Gillespie is not a rubbish coach. He’s a fabulous coach and used to really important coaching stints but not at international level. It takes time to adjust to international level coaching.

The issue isn’t the coach or captain it’s more the board and the whole set up. Not enough decent players are given chances and when they are we find out they are not quite ready for international cricket.

For instance you have a few youngsters that have probably never left the country and they are headed to the fastest pitches on earth against the best bowlers in the world. Why wouldn’t you need an Aussie legand helping them. But he can’t make them international standard in a week…and there lies the dilemma…why couldn’t these youngsters be announced and sent off a week early to Australia to be with Gary Kirsten.

Sorry but Gillespie has been rubbish. You need to understand that international coaching and league or county coaching are 2 separate affairs.

Gillespie is trying to build team friendship and trust and isn't happy that his selections were dropped even though Babar needed a boot.

This is international coaching and is not league coaching

 

[Abid Z]

Sorry but Gillespie has been rubbish. You need to understand that international coaching and league or county coaching are 2 separate affairs.

Gillespie is trying to build team friendship and trust and isn't happy that his selections were dropped even though Babar needed a boot.

This is international coaching and is not league coaching

“Gillespie has been rubbish”. That statement says it all. You feel he has been rubbish because we lost against Australia, Bangladesh and 1st Multan test.

Your assumption therefore is that any coach can just walk into a job and can instantly affect results. (Was he coach when we toured Australia?)

I would say it takes about 2 years to really get to know your players and the environment you are in. Pakistan and its chaotic system is about as alien as you can get. You need to give time and focus on the long term. I bet Gillespie does all this while knowing that his stint can end in an instant. You need to be patient and just let a situation unfold and reassess after a few months. It’s really too soon to say if any coach is good or bad. Just look at how Bob Woolmer was in his 2-3 years he got a lot of criticism but he took players like Asif, kaneria, Afridi, malik from the fringes to the core in 2 years and he had the full backing of the board to implement anything he needed. Other coaches haven’t had that luxury. Some of our board chiefs didn’t even speak to the coaches. Just think we’ve had saqlain (Allah ki marzi as a head coach) we had Misbah who one minute is choosing a coach next minute becomes the coach. Pak cricket is a joke but Gillespie is no joker.

However the selectors being more involved is a very good thing for Pakistan pitches. I’m not so sure about overseas tours.

 

[mominsaigol]

“Gillespie has been rubbish”. That statement says it all. You feel he has been rubbish because we lost against Australia, Bangladesh and 1st Multan test.

Your assumption therefore is that any coach can just walk into a job and can instantly affect results. (Was he coach when we toured Australia?)

I would say it takes about 2 years to really get to know your players and the environment you are in. Pakistan and its chaotic system is about as alien as you can get. You need to give time and focus on the long term. I bet Gillespie does all this while knowing that his stint can end in an instant. You need to be patient and just let a situation unfold and reassess after a few months. It’s really too soon to say if any coach is good or bad. Just look at how Bob Woolmer was in his 2-3 years he got a lot of criticism but he took players like Asif, kaneria, Afridi, malik from the fringes to the core in 2 years and he had the full backing of the board to implement anything he needed. Other coaches haven’t had that luxury. Some of our board chiefs didn’t even speak to the coaches. Just think we’ve had saqlain (Allah ki marzi as a head coach) we had Misbah who one minute is choosing a coach next minute becomes the coach. Pak cricket is a joke but Gillespie is no joker.

However the selectors being more involved is a very good thing for Pakistan pitches. I’m not so sure about overseas tours.

If Gillespie isn't willing to drop Babar Azam and Shaheen knowing full well that they are circus clowns in test atm then yes he's rubbish.

 

[Abid Z]

If Gillespie isn't willing to drop Babar Azam and Shaheen knowing full well that they are circus clowns in test atm then yes he's rubbish.

That’s it? He’s rubbish because he didn’t drop Babar and SSA?

 

[mominsaigol]

That’s it? He’s rubbish because he didn’t drop Babar and SSA?

Yes, genuinely yes. What sort of coach are you to take 2 circus clowns in your unit and not only take it, but also defend their inclusion and fight tooth and nail to prevent their drops?

 

[Snowflake]

This is how it is usually. Captains have to earn their powers by delivering results. If you make good decisions and perform you get more power. You can not average 29 lose 6 on the trot and expect powers.

You cannot deliver results without the resources of your choosing - you can easily shift blame and there would be no argument against it.