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THE Bangalore bloodbath has taken another volatile twist, with revelations Indian coach Anil Kumble stormed into the umpires room to lodge a mid-innings please explain.

As Virat Kohli left a tornado of destruction behind him in the Indian dressing room, fuming he had been given out lbw, it’s understood Kumble went to seek immediate clarification from match officials as to why his irate skipper was given out at a key moment of the second Test.

Kohli might be the aggressor in the brazen campaign India is running against Australia’s integrity — even striking an Australian official with an orange Gatorade bottle — but coach Kumble, one of the main instigators of the Monkeygate fiasco, would appear to have reclaimed his role as the puppeteer behind the scenes.

International coaches have access to the officials’ box, but it’s highly unusual for them to make contact mid match, and Kumble’s actions appear indicative of India’s overall attitude that they can dictate to the law makers of the game.

It’s understood Kumble has also made his fury known about the actions of match referee Chris Broad during the Test, complaints which are now to be passed onto the ICC by the BCCI.

During the Monkeygate episode, Kumble in his role as Indian captain threw out the line to the world that caused the entire saga to explode when he questioned the integrity of Ricky Ponting’s side by saying: “Only one team is playing in the spirit of the game.”

Kumble comes across a mild-mannered man with a passion for wildlife photography, but Monkeygate would paint the picture of an agent provocateur.

Under ICC laws Kohli as a Test captain is supposed to be a custodian for the spirit of the game, yet in addition to his relentlessly aggressive on-field behaviour, it can be revealed he unleashed an astonishing outburst in the dressing rooms following his dismissal, smashing a Gatorade bottle off a table, where it then rebounded off a television and struck an Australian team official on the leg.

Kohli was also seen swearing in the direction of the Australian box as he left the field and using a throat-slitting gesture to send-off Peter Handscomb late in the Test.

There was no apology from the Indian camp that an Australian official had been struck.

The spirit of the game notion has been pronounced dead in the game many times before, but Kohli — a law unto himself — would appear to have killed it off once again with his behaviour some of the worst by an international captain since villainous Sri Lankan leader Arjuna Ranatunga.

By not taking action against Kohli for his behaviour on and off the field in Bangalore, the ICC has virtually given a green light for complete anarchy to break out in Test cricket.

The first thing the ICC should do is hand David Warner the match fee they took off him back in 2014, when the governing body fined him for accusing South Africa of ball tampering.

Kohli’s broad brush implication that the Australian team are systematic cheats is yet to be backed up by any video evidence, but the ICC still turned a blind eye.

The BCCI’s defence of Kohli’s “maturity” and “exemplary conduct” seems farcical now in light of revelations of his unacceptable reaction upon getting out.

Kohli had attempted to question the integrity of one of his main critics Ian Healy for similarly throwing his bat during an angry reaction to a dismissal in South Africa back in 1997.

“The BCCI after due deliberation and seeing the video replays of the episode steadfastly stands with the Indian cricket team and its captain Mr Virat Kohli,” a BCCI statement said.

“Mr Virat Kohli is a mature and seasoned cricketer and his conduct on the field has been exemplary.

“BCCI sincerely hopes that the rest of the matches are played in the true spirit of cricket.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...e/news-story/4d4087175ee6cf6c64ebff8317965902
 
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so, what action is gonna be taken? nothing will happen because he is Indian and Bcci is in power
 
so, what action is gonna be taken? nothing will happen because he is Indian and Bcci is in power

For something to happen, there needs to be some proof.

Despite BCCI's supposed power, they couldn't do anything against Smith.
 
"it then rebounded off a television and struck an Australian team official on the leg" vs "hurled bottle at Australian official".

A fine example of "journalism".
 
"it then rebounded off a television and struck an Australian team official on the leg" vs "hurled bottle at Australian official".

A fine example of "journalism".

yeah i also thought the same when i read the article headlines.
 
so, what action is gonna be taken? nothing will happen because he is Indian and Bcci is in power

There's no proof. If he does so it'd be a big news in that day, not 2 days later! Seems like made story!
 
There's no proof. If he does so it'd be a big news in that day, not 2 days later! Seems like made story!
There's no need for any proof, check the article beyond the headlines. Aussie media going the way of tabloids in England or Times now from India, they simply want action against Kohli.
 
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Seems like news that's been squeezed out because of editorial pressures rather than something that might have really occurred.

If it did, we would have heard about it right after the game.
 
Well if it weren't for the sensationalist headline, & nothing of substance in the actual piece, one could well be mistaken that Kohli hurled a hand grenade at the Aussies, that or the Gatorade bottle was made of caustic soda & instantly vaporized the said official.
 
Nothing surprising.

These Indians have had behavioural issues for a while, just that nobody notices (or rather nobody is allowed to notice).

Kohli's always been a cocky lad.
 
Kohli needs to control himself. Why is he acting this aggresive over a game? Did the Aussies trigger him that much?
 
Bit of a tabloid style report this one so pinch of salt advised.
 
'rebounded and hit an aussie '?! ..This journo must've been watching an old rajnikant movie in his hotel before filing this report. Deadlines can make you see things.
 
This cheat Kohli should be banned for life. No room for violence in cricket. Or life for that matter. In fact, send him for jail on assault charges.

India needs more :azhar2

And less :kohli2
 
Might aswell smack his bat towards an aussie, dont care.

Whatever kohli does with the aussies i do not mind.

Some might not like my views, but i have always hated the way australians acted on the field. If some other pakistani or Indian players did what Smith did, these guys would had made a huge case.

When Smith did it, some of the aussie staff did some dramaybazi saying that the were "horrified" when smith looked towards us during review, while Kohli said that this was not the first instance of them looking towards the dressing room following a review
 
What's these WWE incidents of every India-Australia match? If Kohli did it then action has to be taken against him.
 
Daily Telegraph masala news. Ridiculous journalism. Don't deserve the small publicity they are getting from this thread!
 
In all the rush to show their hate towards Aussies (I am one of their biggest critics ever as well), whether Indians/Pakistanis/Others, everyone missed this golden nugget:


“Mr Virat Kohli is a mature and seasoned cricketer and his conduct on the field has been exemplary. “BCCI sincerely hopes that the rest of the matches are played in the true spirit of cricket.”




LOL, that really tells you of the Indian mindset, whether this story is masaala or not, is a moot point!:ma
 
Great journalism this...

You wonder whey the World of reporting is in such a poor state.
 
I don't believe Kohli did such a thing. It's just a drama news. Such journalists should be ashamed.

I think its beyond doubt that Kholi did in fact do it, otherwise why did BCCI withdraw its complaint against Smith. Bit of a trade off maybe, you don't complain about Kohli and we don't complain about Smith, considering Kohli would have been facing a more serious charge. Unless there is another reason BCCI backed down over Smith.
 
That article smacks so much of bias and contempt that it is impossible to believe a word of it.
 
He hurled a bottle at a tv and it rebounded to hit an Aussie? Which is reported as 'attaching an Aussie official'! Lol

Looks like :kohli has gone deep under their skin. Next test will be fun :D
 
I think its beyond doubt that Kholi did in fact do it, otherwise why did BCCI withdraw its complaint against Smith. Bit of a trade off maybe, you don't complain about Kohli and we don't complain about Smith, considering Kohli would have been facing a more serious charge. Unless there is another reason BCCI backed down over Smith.

We saw who dashed all the way to Mumbai to defuse the situation.
 
I think its beyond doubt that Kholi did in fact do it, otherwise why did BCCI withdraw its complaint against Smith. Bit of a trade off maybe, you don't complain about Kohli and we don't complain about Smith, considering Kohli would have been facing a more serious charge. Unless there is another reason BCCI backed down over Smith.

It would make sense that this would be the reason to why BCCI withdrew the complaint; however, it's appalling to me that Kohli would do such a thing. Sure, he doesn't have the best temperament, but this is a bit of a stretch.
 
There's no need for any proof, check the article beyond the headlines. Aussie media going the way of tabloids in England or Times now from India, they simply want action against Kohli.

I was talking about UnderTaker/Kane finishing signal!
 
I was talking about UnderTaker/Kane finishing signal!
So what, I remember other players trying that move out. This is basically their Faf moment of the current series, you remember how they hounded the SA for "ball tampering" even though some Australians admitted they use sweets themselves.
 
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Aussie media, Aussie team .. it is all the same. Pathetic people who would push all boundaries of decency.
 
In all the rush to show their hate towards Aussies (I am one of their biggest critics ever as well), whether Indians/Pakistanis/Others, everyone missed this golden nugget:







LOL, that really tells you of the Indian mindset, whether this story is masaala or not, is a moot point!:ma

Bro, missed you during India's last win :(
 
Firstly, the Sydney Daily Telegraph is written for a readership of jingoistic morons.

Secondly, they are spot on about Kumble and Monkeygate. It's why he is universally despised in Australia. His gutless team of cowards collapsed to snatch defeat from the jaws of a draw at Sydney, after a disgraceful exhibition of racism, then blamed poor sportsmanship by the victims of their abuse, and the umpires.

Before (or possibly after) the death of Osama Bin Laden a few years ago I remember being tickled by the joke doing the rounds that if Anil Kumble and Osama Bin Laden walked into an Aussie pub, security would have to be called to keep Kumble safe. Nobody would bother trying to rough up OBL until they had finished with Kumble!

That's how respected and popular Anil Kumble is in Australia!
 
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Firstly, the Sydney Daily Telegraph is written for a readership of jingoistic morons.

Secondly, they are spot on about Kumble and Monkeygate. It's why he is universally despised in Australia. His gutless team of cowards collapsed to snatch defeat from the jaws of a draw at Sydney, after a disgraceful exhibition of racism, then blamed poor sportsmanship by the victims of their abuse, and the umpires.

Before (or possibly after) the death of Osama Bin Laden a few years ago I remember being tickled by the joke doing the rounds that if Anil Kumble and Osama Bin Laden walked into an Aussie pub, security would have to be called to keep Kumble safe. Nobody would bother trying to rough up OBL until they had finished with Kumble!

That's how respected and popular Anil Kumble is in Australia!
Cue in my response from another thread ~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afQvCaPd4t8
https://youtu.be/p36jnN5U3fY?list=PL...W-sKIlru41Mdjd
https://youtu.be/P44ywF3iGqw?list=PL...W-sKIlru41Mdjd
https://youtu.be/QrwkDHPmLUM?list=PL...W-sKIlru41Mdjd

If there's cricket & sportsmanship mentioned in the same breath, Australia would be the last team that would come to mind as far as I'm concerned. The above doesn't even count some of the more shameful acts like underarm.
 
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Firstly, the Sydney Daily Telegraph is written for a readership of jingoistic morons.

Secondly, they are spot on about Kumble and Monkeygate. It's why he is universally despised in Australia. His gutless team of cowards collapsed to snatch defeat from the jaws of a draw at Sydney, after a disgraceful exhibition of racism, then blamed poor sportsmanship by the victims of their abuse, and the umpires.

Before (or possibly after) the death of Osama Bin Laden a few years ago I remember being tickled by the joke doing the rounds that if Anil Kumble and Osama Bin Laden walked into an Aussie pub, security would have to be called to keep Kumble safe. Nobody would bother trying to rough up OBL until they had finished with Kumble!

That's how respected and popular Anil Kumble is in Australia!
Have you forgotton to take medicines today? Search and see how many decisions india got wrong in that test match.....we should have won that match .....plus we won next test match and lost the series 2-1 which we should have won if we had not got worst umpiring decisions in that match.....we also won triangular odi series in australia same year..........we dnt care how much anil is respected there.....we also respect the same way many of them....
 
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Cue in my response from another thread ~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afQvCaPd4t8
https://youtu.be/p36jnN5U3fY?list=PL...W-sKIlru41Mdjd
https://youtu.be/P44ywF3iGqw?list=PL...W-sKIlru41Mdjd
https://youtu.be/QrwkDHPmLUM?list=PL...W-sKIlru41Mdjd

If there's cricket & sportsmanship mentioned in the same breath, Australia would be the last team that would come to mind as far as I'm concerned. The above doesn't even count some of the more shameful acts like underarm.
I couldn't agree more.

That's why I described India and Australia as being like two bald men fighting over a comb.

Two teams which tolerate their players behaving like spoilt brats, then whinge about each other.
 
I couldn't agree more.

That's why I described India and Australia as being like two bald men fighting over a comb.

Two teams which tolerate their players behaving like spoilt brats, then whinge about each other.
I'd agree with you so far as verbals are concerned, on & off the field. However I don't recall the last time an Indian keeper claimed a bump ball as catch, or a fielder flicking the bails off & then others asking the umpires what happened, nor a batsman kicking the ball while taking a run.

Now I'm not saying that none of these have happened in our 70+ yrs of cricketing history, however I don't recall seeing any such incident on live TV or anywhere else on the internet. I love how this notion is peddled that Australia plays hard but fair, if anything they play hard & dirty, as & when they can get away with it, like this DRS controversy.
 
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I'd agree with you so far as verbals are concerned, on & off the field. However I don't recall the last time an Indian keeper claimed a bump ball as catch, or a fielder flicking the bails off & then others asking the umpires what happened, nor a batsman kicking the ball while taking a run.

Now I'm not saying that none of these have happened in our 70+ yrs of cricketing history, however I don't recall seeing any such incident on live TV or anywhere else on the internet. I love how this notion is peddled that Australia plays hard but fair, if anything they play hard & dirty, as & when they can get away with it, like this DRS controversy.

I agree.

I hate watching Australia and India pay each other. They really do bring out the worst in one another.
 
I'd agree with you so far as verbals are concerned, on & off the field. However I don't recall the last time an Indian keeper claimed a bump ball as catch, or a fielder flicking the bails off & then others asking the umpires what happened, nor a batsman kicking the ball while taking a run.

Now I'm not saying that none of these have happened in our 70+ yrs of cricketing history, however I don't recall seeing any such incident on live TV or anywhere else on the internet. I love how this notion is peddled that Australia plays hard but fair, if anything they play hard & dirty, as & when they can get away with it, like this DRS controversy.

India are angels.

 
I agree.

I hate watching Australia and India pay each other. They really do bring out the worst in one another.
Reminds of me the old adage, something like ~ "the more they hate you the more they love each other" btw we bring out our A games against Aus just as they do against us, so there's that as well.
 
That's not even remotely comparable to Dyer, check the same video 1:30 onwards with 0.25x speed. It's clear that the ball hit his gloves & the turf at the same time, front on isn't the best angle that's why we use side on for no balls. So the keeper had to go up for the catch, clear as daylight apparently wasn't it?
 
That's not even remotely comparable to Dyer, check the same video 1:30 onwards with 0.25x speed. It's clear that the ball hit his gloves & the turf at the same time, front on isn't the best angle that's why we use side on for no balls. So the keeper had to go up for the catch, clear as daylight apparently wasn't it?

Are you saying that Dhoni did not claim a bump ball?.
 
Are you saying that Dhoni did not claim a bump ball?.
No I'm saying even with the help of replays it wasn't clear at first that the ball hit the turf, did you watch from 1:30 onwards at 0.25x speed? Is that comparable to Dyer who just flicked the ball from the ground into his gloves, comparable I think not?
 
No I'm saying even with the help of replays it wasn't clear at first that the ball hit the turf, did you watch from 1:30 onwards at 0.25x speed? Is that comparable to Dyer who just flicked the ball from the ground into his gloves, comparable I think not?

So Dhoni did claim a bump ball then. Not as bad as the Ganguly one but claiming a bump ball is claiming a bump ball is it not.
 
So Dhoni did claim a bump ball then. Not as bad as the Ganguly one but claiming a bump ball is claiming a bump ball is it not.
And I can find you tens of such claims, by India & other teams, fielding in the slips you almost always get (low) catches that are too close to call with the naked eye. Will the keeper know for sure (?) that the ball has hit the turf, also it apparently did hit top of his fingers before skidding inside his gloves.
 
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And I can find you tens of such claims, by India & other teams, fielding in the slips you almost always get (low) catches that are too close to call with the naked eye. Will the keeper know for sure (?) that the ball has hit the turf, also it apparently did hit top of his fingers before skidding inside his gloves.

Have you changed your mind and now say that Dhoni did not claim a bump ball as a catch?.
 
Sorry to be logic police but can someone tell me what was an Australian official doing in indian dressing room.

Also people need to remember that this is daily telegraph it is worse than masala news, calls ranatunga villainous and bringing monkey gate to bad mouth kumble and kohli now tells you all you need to know about level of the writer. Also wasn't this newspaper also saying that ranchi curator has given kohli 3 pitches to pick from while not giving any quote or proof of same.
 
Have you changed your mind and now say that Dhoni did not claim a bump ball as a catch?.
Sure but let's recap ~
Now I'm not saying that none of these have happened in our 70+ yrs of cricketing history, however I don't recall seeing any such incident on live TV or anywhere else on the internet. I love how this notion is peddled that Australia plays hard but fair, if anything they play hard & dirty, as & when they can get away with it, like this DRS controversy.
I'll concede that you did find calls that were dubious from the fielding side (India) but in both the cases umpires had the authority to call in TV replays & check whether the catch was clean or not. In the clips I linked to the batting side had no recourse, the Aussie umpires obviously were an impediment. In case of Sydney 2008 it was agreed that the fielding sides claims would be upheld, by both the sides, so India had no recourse for dubious to escape dubious calls even then.

You can get away with murder so long as no one's looking, this is what the the clips were for, the play hard but fair motto comes into play only when you're caught red handed.
 
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I will one up you ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUQzHIXWiCo

try beating that ... Langer Smashed that to 1st Slip and calmly stood his ground (successfully) :)))

why?, Tendulkar had a ball nearly break his thumb playing Murali and never walked and stood his ground, every player does the same thing. If you want to argue that Australian players don't walk then I agree with you, if you think that Indian batsmen do walk then good for you. I find it amusing how some posters criticize Australia and at the same time defend their own team for the same thing. Call Aust cheats all you like it has no traction with me, I just enjoy holding up the mirror.
 
So whats Indias motto, play hard and cheat where possible considering that they are decent honest and trustworthy.
They are as trustworthy as any other team, but we don't pretend that we play hard but only fair or that sledging is an integral part of the game. Australia always seems to bring up what Harbhajan said in Sydney, does anyone know what Symonds said to him that he responded in such a manner?

Mcgrath being a motor mouth against Sarwan was fair because it was banter, but when the other guy hit a nerve it was over the line? How does Australia define what's a certain level of decency on the field, you pretend that you're scummy just on the field of play & then that attitude is not a true reflection of yourself? How does that work, does a career politician (who's also corrupt) suddenly become a saint at his home?
 
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why?, Tendulkar had a ball nearly break his thumb playing Murali and never walked and stood his ground, every player does the same thing. If you want to argue that Australian players don't walk then I agree with you, if you think that Indian batsmen do walk then good for you. I find it amusing how some posters criticize Australia and at the same time defend their own team for the same thing. Call Aust cheats all you like it has no traction with me, I just enjoy holding up the mirror.

This is not about walking ... more about how pathetic one can be and the level to which a player will stoop to ... and there is really no equal to Aussies in that aspect.

Here is another one : https://youtu.be/afQvCaPd4t8?t=3m12s


Don't let this being reduced to a battle of Youtube videos.

Aussie posters would love this derail as they don't have much to defend this pathetic piece of journalism, but as Indians, atleast we should stick to topic. This is another case of Aussie media showing it's colors, nothing else needs be said.

Its futile to hope for a meaningful debate with most Aussie posters ... you could provide HD Video footage of their players caught red-handed in the act and they will quite simply deny it with a straight face and all.
 
Read the topic - and stick to it. I will simply delete all posts not related to the current topic
 
I don't like it when ANY cricketer crosses the line of acceptable behaviour.

I will accept sledging without racial or other vilification.

I will accept players not walking after they edge (or middle) the ball.

I won't accept blatant cheating, whether it is:

1) Claiming a bump ball as a catch.
2) Ball tampering to allow reverse swing.
3) Chucking.

I will not accept ANY public criticism of an umpire, whether by a player or coach. The media can analyse the performance of an umpire, but I would invoke a 20 year ban for any player criticising a decision by an umpire in public.

Ask Alex Ferguson or Jose Mourinho what happens if you publically criticise a decision by a referee. This is cricket - the punishments need to be much, much stricter.

If cricket clamped down properly on this behaviour it would disappear.
 
If you believe that India uphold the spirit of cricket and never swear, sledge or cheat then good for you, you must be their number one supporter.

Where did I claim anything remotely close ? All Iam doing is telling you why Aussies are almost always one of the teams that are in the middle of these controversies. You guys must really be bought up convinced that people will rollover once you guys start the usual underhand nonsense.
 
Kohli should try to score runs, it's better for him.

He has scored 5 double centuries in last 5 test matches...i know you or many of us expect him to score in every match because you consider him the greatest batsman but we should give poor guy a break he is making centuries by centuries in test matches ,odis, t20,ipl be it in india ,australia , south africa,newzealand, west indies,india evwrwhere since his one and only bad tour to england....this guy is certainly genius...one of the best bats world has ever seen.....you are not wrong calling him a legend though in many threads..he certainly deserves.
 
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He has scored 5 double centuries in last 5 test matches...i know you or many of us expect him to score in every match because you consider him the greatest batsman but we should give poor guy a break he is making centuries by centuries in test matches ,odis, t20,ipl be it in india ,australia , south africa,newzealand, west indies,india evwrwhere since his one and only bad tour to england....this guy is certainly genius...one of the best bats world has ever seen.....you are not wrong calling him a legend though in many threads..he certainly deserves.

5 double hundreds in his last 5 Test matches? Wow then surely he is the best!
It's because of made up stories like this that fans like you consider him the best...
 
I don't like it when ANY cricketer crosses the line of acceptable behaviour.

I will accept sledging without racial or other vilification.

I will accept players not walking after they edge (or middle) the ball.

I won't accept blatant cheating, whether it is:

1) Claiming a bump ball as a catch.
2) Ball tampering to allow reverse swing.
3) Chucking.

I will not accept ANY public criticism of an umpire, whether by a player or coach. The media can analyse the performance of an umpire, but I would invoke a 20 year ban for any player criticising a decision by an umpire in public.

Ask Alex Ferguson or Jose Mourinho what happens if you publically criticise a decision by a referee. This is cricket - the punishments need to be much, much stricter.

If cricket clamped down properly on this behaviour it would disappear.

Thats all fine ... problem is when it is applied selectively ... for instance you don't seem to have problem with Pakistan's history with ball tampering .
 
5 double hundreds in his last 5 Test matches? Wow then surely he is the best!
It's because of made up stories like this that fans like you consider him the best...
He meant series, 4 in last 4 test series & a new world record, obviously a typo.
 
5 double hundreds in his last 5 Test matches? Wow then surely he is the best!
It's because of made up stories like this that fans like you consider him the best...

i meant test series..typo mistake...baki same hi hai..
 
Where did I claim anything remotely close ? All Iam doing is telling you why Aussies are almost always one of the teams that are in the middle of these controversies. You guys must really be bought up convinced that people will rollover once you guys start the usual underhand nonsense.

Was it the BCCI that just released a statement that Kohli's conduct on the field is exemplary. You did see that didn't you. If you did see it did you believe them?.
 
5 double hundreds in his last 5 Test matches? Wow then surely he is the best!
It's because of made up stories like this that fans like you consider him the best...

i meant test series obviously ..sorry typo mistake.. 4 in 4 as someone corrected ...
 
Was it the BCCI that just released a statement that Kohli's conduct on the field is exemplary. You did see that didn't you. If you did see it did you believe them?.

I absolutely do not believe in that stmt by BCCI. But if you want to know why they make such blatantly false claims then look at your own past history. As the popular saying ... "what goes around comes around" .
 
Thats all fine ... problem is when it is applied selectively ... for instance you don't seem to have problem with Pakistan's history with ball tampering .
Actually, I do.

It was sickening actually. When Chris Pringle resorted to doing it back at Faisalabad it was just horrible. Wasim and Waqar were terrific bowlers without stooping to that, yet at Lancashire and Surrey players were their willing accomplices. And Pakistan.

I have come to the conclusion that everything that could legally be done with a ball was done decades ago. Reverse swing and doosras are just cheating as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Not reflected in the pro-pakistan posts you go on about ... just the other day you were singing praises about Pakistan's achievements in the 80s.
I don't think the 1980's were the problem. Most of Imran Khan's success was legitimate, and he was better with the new ball than the old one in general. Only the 1982-83 India tour was dubious, in my opinion.

The problem was the reverse in the 1990s, which led to the Botham/Lamb/Imran court case. But reverse swing was pretty much outdone by fixing in that period, to be honest.

I like the fact that Pakistan don't do what Australia, England, India and South Africa do with the ball to get reverse. Or perhaps I should say that they do it less.
 
I like the fact that Pakistan don't do what Australia, England, India and South Africa do with the ball to get reverse. Or perhaps I should say that they do it less.

This is rich, Pakistan don't doctor the ball as much or more than other teams, you are joking obviously.
 
I don't think the 1980's were the problem. Most of Imran Khan's success was legitimate, and he was better with the new ball than the old one in general. Only the 1982-83 India tour was dubious, in my opinion.

Technically it all started in the late 70s but there is no doubt that Pakistan benefited the most from this.

The problem was the reverse in the 1990s, which led to the Botham/Lamb/Imran court case. But reverse swing was pretty much outdone by fixing in that period, to be honest.

There might have been spot fixing but to say that entire matches were thrown is just preposterous.

I like the fact that Pakistan don't do what Australia, England, India and South Africa do with the ball to get reverse. Or perhaps I should say that they do it less.

what do Indian bowlers do ? Just curious to know ...

No neutral is going to agree with you about Pakistani bowlers being honest
 
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This is rich, Pakistan don't doctor the ball as much or more than other teams, you are joking obviously.
Did you read my post?

Pakistan used to do it and it disgusted me. But in recent years, they don't doctor the ball or bowl reverse to anything like the extent of those four countries. When did they last get much reverse swing? Wahab can, but he hardly ever does.
 
Did you read my post?

Pakistan used to do it and it disgusted me. But in recent years, they don't doctor the ball or bowl reverse to anything like the extent of those four countries. When did they last get much reverse swing? Wahab can, but he hardly ever does.

Which Australian bowler gets reverse swing by doctoring the ball?.
 
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