Reports about PM's participation in Eastern Economic Forum in Russia 'speculative': FO [Update #63]

[WebGuru]

ISLAMABAD: President Vladimir Putin has invited Prime Minister Imran Khan to an economic conference in Vladivostok in September.

The premier received an invitation to attend the Eastern Economic Forum (EEF) scheduled to be held from September 4 to September 6 in Russia’s far eastern city.

The EEF was established by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin in 2015. In accordance with the decree, it takes place each year in Vladivostok.
Every year, the EEF serves as a platform for the discussion of key issues in the world economy, regional integration, and the development of new industrial and technological sectors, as well as of the global challenges facing Russia and other nations.

The invite comes days after it was announced that PM Imran will be meeting with US President Donald Trump on July 22 in an official state visit.

PM Imran and Putin also met last month at the SCO summit. In June, the premier stated Islamabad is hopeful of increasing military ties with Moscow. Russia and Pakistan have been holding joint military drills — Dhruzba — since 2016.

The Russian embassy in May stated that Pakistan is an important partner for Russia with its significance determined by its role in regional politics, its influence in the Muslim world and its geostrategic position.


Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/2007480/1-russia-president-putin-extends-invite-pm-imran-economic-moot/

 

[Pakpak]

Isolated Pakistan.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

A new Eurasian alliance being formed? Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran. Now if only Erdogan could pivot away from NATO, like how the Philippines pivoted away from the US towards China, and we have ourselves quite a formidable block Asian block to counter the warmongering West.

 

[cricketjoshila]

A new Eurasian alliance being formed? Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran. Now if only Erdogan could pivot away from NATO, like how the Philippines pivoted away from the US towards China, and we have ourselves quite a formidable block Asian block to counter the warmongering West.

Indian PM Modi is the Main Guest at that meet.

Japanese PM Abe is attending.

Lol at new Eurasian alliance. This is a economic summit.

 

[Pete Rose]

A new Eurasian alliance being formed? Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran. Now if only Erdogan could pivot away from NATO, like how the Philippines pivoted away from the US towards China, and we have ourselves quite a formidable block Asian block to counter the warmongering West.

Maybe. We are far from it.
Erdogan has just lost Istanbul.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Indian PM Modi is the Main Guest at that meet.

Japanese PM Abe is attending.

Lol at new Eurasian alliance. This is a economic summit.

so ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Maybe. We are far from it.
Erdogan has just lost Istanbul.

Is Russia interested in a alliance with Pakistan? Because that will automatically mean that Russians lose their biggest weapons buyer. And thats just the economic affect.

Arent people reading too much a invite to a economic summit? A summit where the Indian PM is the chief guest and the American ally Japanese PM is attending as well.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Is Russia interested in a alliance with Pakistan? Because that will automatically mean that Russians lose their biggest weapons buyer. And thats just the economic affect.

Arent people reading too much a invite to a economic summit? A summit where the Indian PM is the chief guest and the American ally Japanese PM is attending as well.

so russia needs to ask india before doing any business with pakistan ?

 

[Pete Rose]

Is Russia interested in a alliance with Pakistan? Because that will automatically mean that Russians lose their biggest weapons buyer. And thats just the economic affect.

Arent people reading too much a invite to a economic summit? A summit where the Indian PM is the chief guest and the American ally Japanese PM is attending as well.

- I don’t think Pakistan has anything particularly tangible to offer Russia at this moment, unless it has to do with geography: there are various energy pipeline or routes that are being floated around. I would say they are from reality at the moment. There’s probably an interesting geographic puzzle about what India, Pakistan, and Russia want from Afghanistan
- weapons alliances don’t sour so easily. India has been trying to buy influence with Washington with armaments for a while, but it hasn’t soured Russia yet has it. Besides Pakistan has show interest in Russian weaponry for tanks and such, not Air Force.
- lastly I would say, it’s always good for Pakistan to engage, because not everything is always apparent. Nobody had predicted that the US would sanction the BLA, but here are supposedly with an administration hostile to Pakistan, doing a solid for us. For the record, I think trump is much better for us vs Obama.
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[blackanhyellow]

Is Russia interested in a alliance with Pakistan? Because that will automatically mean that Russians lose their biggest weapons buyer. And thats just the economic affect.

Arent people reading too much a invite to a economic summit? A summit where the Indian PM is the chief guest and the American ally Japanese PM is attending as well.

You are right in a way.

If Russia starts a closer relationship with Pakistan, india will move further away from Russia. Russia wouldn't want that.

However, its India that is pivoting more towards the U.S. Russia doesn't like that very much.

Therefore puts Imran beside him and puts Modi in the back at the group photo to send a message to India that their actions are not being received well.

So it's a balancing act for India, and in their quest for allying with the U.S. they risk alienating their decades old allies in Russia and Iran.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are right in a way.

If Russia starts a closer relationship with Pakistan, india will move further away from Russia. Russia wouldn't want that.

However, its India that is pivoting more towards the U.S. Russia doesn't like that very much.

Therefore puts Imran beside him and puts Modi in the back at the group photo to send a message to India that their actions are not being received well.

So it's a balancing act for India, and in their quest for allying with the U.S. they risk alienating their decades old allies in Russia and Iran.

How is inviting Modi as the chief guest putting him in the background?

Even at Bishkek Putin held a 1:1 summit meeting with Modi.

India is the last remaining economic and military power in the world that has refused to be either in US or in Russian camp, though our strategic depth with Russia is far more.

India has refused to toe the US line on Russia, be it on Crimea or on Syria or on S 400 like weapons import.

 

[PakLFC]

Pak needs to pursue relations with Russia. We need to do whatever it takes within reason to improve ties with them independently. IK and Putin seem to be warming up nicely to each other.

 

[blackanhyellow]

How is inviting Modi as the chief guest putting him in the background?

Even at Bishkek Putin held a 1:1 summit meeting with Modi.

India is the last remaining economic and military power in the world that has refused to be either in US or in Russian camp, though our strategic depth with Russia is far more.

India has refused to toe the US line on Russia, be it on Crimea or on Syria or on S 400 like weapons import.

In Bishkek Putin was seen being very friendly with Imran Khan. Modi was no where to be seen. Now imran got this invite too.

Not saying that modi didn't have a 1 on 1 meeting with Putin, just saying the optics of the friendliness between Putin and Imran was a veiled message to India. That is my point.

After cold war events Pakistan wouldn't have dreamed that Russia would be engaging with Pakistan at this level. But they are doing so because India is pivoting towards U.S. If India wouldn't be doing that then I don't think Russia would be trying to get closer to Pakistan due to historical reasons.

Obviously most nations would prefer doing business with India as they are a much larger economy, no denying that. Just bringing up the observation that India is trying to balance Russia and America, Iran and America etc...

Take it from us Pakistanis, when you try to ally with America, they expect you to bend the knee. Just like India had to by stopping oil imports from Iran.

When you try to ally with the United States they expect you to back them over Iran, Russia, China no questions asked.

The closer you get to them, the more they will expect. Just ask Canada, Britain, etc...

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Indian PM Modi is the Main Guest at that meet.

Japanese PM Abe is attending.

Lol at new Eurasian alliance. This is a economic summit.

What meeting are you talking about? You're an American puppet state. Sit back down in the corner.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

How is inviting Modi as the chief guest putting him in the background?

Even at Bishkek Putin held a 1:1 summit meeting with Modi.

India is the last remaining economic and military power in the world that has refused to be either in US or in Russian camp, though our strategic depth with Russia is far more.

India has refused to toe the US line on Russia, be it on Crimea or on Syria or on S 400 like weapons import.

India's entire foreign policy was sold after the US India nuclear deal. Who do you think you people are. When daddy yankee said pull the plug on Iran, what did you do? Pull tbe plug on Iran.

India is just an American stooge masquerading as a "regional power"...you 2 MiGs say hi.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

In Bishkek Putin was seen being very friendly with Imran Khan. Modi was no where to be seen. Now imran got this invite too.

Not saying that modi didn't have a 1 on 1 meeting with Putin, just saying the optics of the friendliness between Putin and Imran was a veiled message to India. That is my point.

After cold war events Pakistan wouldn't have dreamed that Russia would be engaging with Pakistan at this level. But they are doing so because India is pivoting towards U.S. If India wouldn't be doing that then I don't think Russia would be trying to get closer to Pakistan due to historical reasons.

Obviously most nations would prefer doing business with India as they are a much larger economy, no denying that. Just bringing up the observation that India is trying to balance Russia and America, Iran and America etc...

Take it from us Pakistanis, when you try to ally with America, they expect you to bend the knee. Just like India had to by stopping oil imports from Iran.

When you try to ally with the United States they expect you to back them over Iran, Russia, China no questions asked.

The closer you get to them, the more they will expect. Just ask Canada, Britain, etc...

The most hilarious thing is that Iran was milking India as much as it could over Chahbahar.

"Tehran, which has been playing hardball with India and demanding greater Indian investment in Chabahar, itself plans to invest $4 billion to build a refinery in Gwadar to process 400,000 barrels of oil per day."

 

[cricketjoshila]

What meeting are you talking about? You're an American puppet state. Sit back down in the corner.

Meetings where Imran Khan doesnot get invited. Its called a Summit meeting.

Meeting where Modi is the chief guest.

And no, we are no ones puppet, because our country is not for sale for a few billion dollars.

 

[cricketjoshila]

In Bishkek Putin was seen being very friendly with Imran Khan. Modi was no where to be seen. Now imran got this invite too.

Not saying that modi didn't have a 1 on 1 meeting with Putin, just saying the optics of the friendliness between Putin and Imran was a veiled message to India. That is my point.

After cold war events Pakistan wouldn't have dreamed that Russia would be engaging with Pakistan at this level. But they are doing so because India is pivoting towards U.S. If India wouldn't be doing that then I don't think Russia would be trying to get closer to Pakistan due to historical reasons.

Obviously most nations would prefer doing business with India as they are a much larger economy, no denying that. Just bringing up the observation that India is trying to balance Russia and America, Iran and America etc...

Take it from us Pakistanis, when you try to ally with America, they expect you to bend the knee. Just like India had to by stopping oil imports from Iran.

When you try to ally with the United States they expect you to back them over Iran, Russia, China no questions asked.

The closer you get to them, the more they will expect. Just ask Canada, Britain, etc...

There is one thing thats shown on tv, and then there is what is called strategic interest.

How Putin will show his importance to.Modi? He held a 1:1 meeting with Modi. He invited Modi as the chief guest to the Eastern economic conference. Putin has had no such meetings with Imran. What was shown on pakistani tv was the clip from dinner and a very short one.

In last few years a lot of claims have been made by Pakistani media vis a vis Russia and Russia has had to come out twice with official statements to disown them. First one was about Su 35 and second one about Kashmir.

India made it quiet clear to Mike Pompeo that Russia is non negotiable. India anyways doesnot get along with China. Iran is the only remaining piece. US made sure that Indian oil supplies are not hampered nor are they costlier due to Iran sanctions. The Petroleum minister made it clear.

Secondly India refused to budge on Chabahar and Indian investments will continue there.

Recently a Iranian bank was given permission to open its branch in Mumbai. It will be the first Iranian bank in India. I wonder if thats the way of getting around the US sanctions.

Why do you think India maintains close relations with Russia? So that we are not dependent on US.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Meetings where Imran Khan doesnot get invited. Its called a Summit meeting.

Meeting where Modi is the chief guest.

And no, we are no ones puppet, because our country is not for sale for a few billion dollars.

India under the fascist BJP have gone into the US/Zionist camp, they say jump and your nation will as we see with the Iranian oil.

Putin knows this and although he will want to keep good relations to India who spend billions on weapons but geo-politically he is getting closer to Pakistan, nobody can deny this. Im sorry if you are having sleepless nights.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India's entire foreign policy was sold after the US India nuclear deal. Who do you think you people are. When daddy yankee said pull the plug on Iran, what did you do? Pull tbe plug on Iran.

India is just an American stooge masquerading as a "regional power"...you 2 MiGs say hi.

We people are a free sovereign country where no one can drone bomb us, no one can dictate our economic policies and we dont need to bend over to get investments.

One can see stooge in others as he himself is one.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India under the fascist BJP have gone into the US/Zionist camp, they say jump and your nation will as we see with the Iranian oil.

Putin knows this and although he will want to keep good relations to India who spend billions on weapons but geo-politically he is getting closer to Pakistan, nobody can deny this. Im sorry if you are having sleepless nights.

A brit pakistani defining Indo Russian relations. Hilarious.

Putin knows which country has never gone againist Russian interests and which country will jump through hoops for few billion dollars.

The only people having sleepless nights are the ones who dreamt about Russia breaking its strategic ties with India.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

India under the fascist BJP have gone into the US/Zionist camp, they say jump and your nation will as we see with the Iranian oil.

Putin knows this and although he will want to keep good relations to India who spend billions on weapons but geo-politically he is getting closer to Pakistan, nobody can deny this. Im sorry if you are having sleepless nights.

I think you are confusing Pakistan with India as far as the jumping is concerned. Since Pak is now in China's posse I guess you have forgotten all the jumping Pak has done for the US/Zionist camp over the past decades.

Regarding Putin - in politics, there are no permanent friends - only permanent interests.

 

[KingKhanWC]

A brit pakistani defining Indo Russian relations. Hilarious.

Putin knows which country has never gone againist Russian interests and which country will jump through hoops for few billion dollars.

The only people having sleepless nights are the ones who dreamt about Russia breaking its strategic ties with India.

I think you are confusing Pakistan with India as far as the jumping is concerned. Since Pak is now in China's posse I guess you have forgotten all the jumping Pak has done for the US/Zionist camp over the past decades.

Regarding Putin - in politics, there are no permanent friends - only permanent interests.

China doesn't threaten Pakistan as India was told to stop buying Iranian oil and the Indians quickly responded. The same Indians for years were saying India will continue to buy the oil etc, so Indians themselves are deluded in thinking they are indpendent of anyones policies.

Russia only see income from India, they dont see Indians as anything else and why should they? What does India have which will gain respect and admiration from Russia? At least the Russians respect the Pakistani PM and the army because of how they dealt with foriegn Indian and American backed terrorism.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Foreign policy is not decided by what posters on this forum declare.

Also, I'm sure you have better insight into how Putin and the Russians think - but, I don't think the Russian brass would have forgotten how Pak helped the US stalemate the Russians in Afghanistan. So as far as respect and admiration for Pakistan or its army is concerned - I doubt they consider either to be worthy of respect.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Foreign policy is not decided by what posters on this forum declare.

Also, I'm sure you have better insight into how Putin and the Russians think - but, I don't think the Russian brass would have forgotten how Pak helped the US stalemate the Russians in Afghanistan. So as far as respect and admiration for Pakistan or its army is concerned - I doubt they consider either to be worthy of respect.

You're confused and ignorant. Its was the Soviet Union which occupied Afghanistan not Russia. Do you know the difference?

Russians have regulary stated they are impressed with Pakistans counter insurgency war against terrorism. Why wouldn't they be? What the Pak army has done in the biggest war on terrorism in modern history is truly remarkable. This is why Russia has been sending their forces to Pakistan for joint trraining missions.

I would suggest some basic research on the subject and not rely on what the Saffron BJPa idiots tell you on the TV.

 

[aqeelPK]

A brit pakistani defining Indo Russian relations. Hilarious.

Putin knows which country has never gone againist Russian interests and which country will jump through hoops for few billion dollars.

The only people having sleepless nights are the ones who dreamt about Russia breaking its strategic ties with India.

lol do you think india is free of debts? What a fool you are. India's external debt is 521bn$ as of december 2018 which is more than 5.5 times as that of Pakistan's.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

You're confused and ignorant. Its was the Soviet Union which occupied Afghanistan not Russia. Do you know the difference?

Russians have regulary stated they are impressed with Pakistans counter insurgency war against terrorism. Why wouldn't they be? What the Pak army has done in the biggest war on terrorism in modern history is truly remarkable. This is why Russia has been sending their forces to Pakistan for joint trraining missions.

I would suggest some basic research on the subject and not rely on what the Saffron BJPa idiots tell you on the TV.

So many personal attacks - and a not a point to make.

Yes - I'm sure a strongman Russian like Putin appeared out of nowhere and has nothing to do with the USSR. Yes - Pakistan has done such an amazing job with terrorists that they still operate with impunity in KP and PoK. Truly remarkable!

 

[aqeelPK]

We people are a free sovereign country where no one can drone bomb us, no one can dictate our economic policies and we dont need to bend over to get investments.

One can see stooge in others as he himself is one.

A free sovereign country whose sovereignty is challenged by dozens of home grown & foreign supported freedom movements. Why one would fly a drone when people on the ground are doing it on daily basis. What kind of sovereign country is this who can't fight its enemies on its own & had to beg to intl countries & orgs to declare them their enemies. lol

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

A free sovereign country whose sovereignty is challenged by dozens of home grown & foreign supported freedom movements. Why one would fly a drone when people on the ground are doing it on daily basis. What kind of sovereign country is this who can't fight its enemies on its own & had to beg to intl countries & orgs to declare them their enemies. lol

That is a good question you should ask the Pak army and govt.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So many personal attacks - and a not a point to make.

Yes - I'm sure a strongman Russian like Putin appeared out of nowhere and has nothing to do with the USSR. Yes - Pakistan has done such an amazing job with terrorists that they still operate with impunity in KP and PoK. Truly remarkable!

You should take the advice as help.

Russia today under Putin has a totally different ideology. Soviets were anti religion esp against Christianity, Putin and Russia today are very much orthodox chrisitans with a very much different world view.

Terrorism has been pretty much finished but of course there will some cases when you have nations like India supporting terrorism from across the border but Pakistan has given them the correct response too by taking out their terrorists.

If Kashmir is occupied and belongs to India, come in and take it. Why has India allowed a large chunk of their land to be taken over by Pakistan and has done nothing to take it back for decades?

We can educate you for free on here.

 

[aqeelPK]

That is a good question you should ask the Pak army and govt.

In their case, they were fighting a common enemy. World was fighting that common enemy everywhere back then. Pakistan needed help in whatever form they could get, & now they have made FATA part of Pakistan for the first time ever.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

You should take the advice as help.

Russia today under Putin has a totally different ideology. Soviets were anti religion esp against Christianity, Putin and Russia today are very much orthodox chrisitans with a very much different world view.

Terrorism has been pretty much finished but of course there will some cases when you have nations like India supporting terrorism from across the border but Pakistan has given them the correct response too by taking out their terrorists.

If Kashmir is occupied and belongs to India, come in and take it. Why has India allowed a large chunk of their land to be taken over by Pakistan and has done nothing to take it back for decades?

We can educate you for free on here.

Unfortunately, Pak edition history/current affairs books don't have much value outside of Pak/some areas of the UK.

As a random poster I can't answer that question you posed about Kashmir. I don't have access to the inner workings of the govt/army unlike in Pak or the UK where everyone seems to be wired into the Pak and now Russian think tanks.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Unfortunately, Pak edition history/current affairs books don't have much value outside of Pak/some areas of the UK.

As a random poster I can't answer that question you posed about Kashmir. I don't have access to the inner workings of the govt/army unlike in Pak or the UK where everyone seems to be wired into the Pak and now Russian think tanks.

Im happy to debate. What is the saffron version of history and current affairs in relation to this? Can you explain the difference between the Soviets and the Russians today?

As an Indian, surely you have a view as to why your nation has allowed a large chunk of its land to be occupied by Pakistan?

 

[cricketjoshila]

China doesn't threaten Pakistan as India was told to stop buying Iranian oil and the Indians quickly responded. The same Indians for years were saying India will continue to buy the oil etc, so Indians themselves are deluded in thinking they are indpendent of anyones policies.

Russia only see income from India, they dont see Indians as anything else and why should they? What does India have which will gain respect and admiration from Russia? At least the Russians respect the Pakistani PM and the army because of how they dealt with foriegn Indian and American backed terrorism.

Every country in the world has stopped buying Iranian oil, except may be China. India is trying to find a work around the sanctions by allowing Iranian banks to operate in India.

Anyways India has only two requirements from Iran. One is chabahar port, which continues to be developed by India. Second is cheap oil, which US has assured that India will continue to get from other sources.So indian interests are secured.

Funny how you as a brit pakistani think you know Russia. Russia respects India because India despite whatever pressure has never abandoned the russians. Not even at the time of Crimea. Russia knows that Pakistani interests go to the highest bidder. Thats why it has been decades since a Pakistani PM held a 1:1 summit with a Russian PM. Thats how much they respect pakistan.

Btw how did pakistan deal with US? By getting itself nearly bankrupted and having its PM go around looking for Dole outs? Or by worsening the security situation in pakistan to such a level that even cricket teams refuse to tour?

 

[cricketjoshila]

lol do you think india is free of debts? What a fool you are. India's external debt is 521bn$ as of december 2018 which is more than 5.5 times as that of Pakistan's.

India's Gdp is $3tn. Thats 10 times of pakistan.

India's forex reserves are $427bn. Whats the forex reserve of Pakistan, minus the IMF bailout and the short term deposits by 2-3 countries?

 

[cricketjoshila]

You should take the advice as help.

Russia today under Putin has a totally different ideology. Soviets were anti religion esp against Christianity, Putin and Russia today are very much orthodox chrisitans with a very much different world view.

Terrorism has been pretty much finished but of course there will some cases when you have nations like India supporting terrorism from across the border but Pakistan has given them the correct response too by taking out their terrorists.

If Kashmir is occupied and belongs to India, come in and take it. Why has India allowed a large chunk of their land to be taken over by Pakistan and has done nothing to take it back for decades?

We can educate you for free on here.

Has Putin visited Pakistan for a bilateral visit? Who was the last pakistani PM invited to a bilateral summit in Moscow?

Right now Pakistan is on FATF list for terror financing,not India. UN terrorists like Masood Azhar and Hafiz Saeed are found in Pakistan.

China claims Sikkim and Arunachal states of India as chinese territory? Have they gone to war in last 50yrs to get them? Have they gone to war to get Taiwan? No. Yet they have become the second largest economy in the world. Going to war makes no sense to them.

Similarly going to war on kashmir doesnot make sense to India. The war mongering nation has to ask for bailouts, its security situation is a question mark, its currency is in free fall, its citizens being put on visa vetting lists etc.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Every country in the world has stopped buying Iranian oil, except may be China. India is trying to find a work around the sanctions by allowing Iranian banks to operate in India.

Anyways India has only two requirements from Iran. One is chabahar port, which continues to be developed by India. Second is cheap oil, which US has assured that India will continue to get from other sources.So indian interests are secured.

Funny how you as a brit pakistani think you know Russia. Russia respects India because India despite whatever pressure has never abandoned the russians. Not even at the time of Crimea. Russia knows that Pakistani interests go to the highest bidder. Thats why it has been decades since a Pakistani PM held a 1:1 summit with a Russian PM. Thats how much they respect pakistan.

Btw how did pakistan deal with US? By getting itself nearly bankrupted and having its PM go around looking for Dole outs? Or by worsening the security situation in pakistan to such a level that even cricket teams refuse to tour?

India never abandonded Russia? lol What has India got which Russia needs apart from the billions of rupees for the weapons they buy? Russia doesn't need India, youre delusional.

Pakistan and Russian relations are improving recently, you have to be blind not to see this. Putin and Khan stood next to each other on the world stage while the bloke who thinks clouds effect radar was on the end of the line. Btw you havent responded to your great Modis views on radar, clouds, emails and digital cameras? Please do.

Pakistani are not like Indians, no need to hide from reality. Yes there have been many puppets of the Americans in office and it was disgusting but Pakistanis have now changed their ruling party. Now the tide is turning , India is now a US/Zionist puppet while Pakistan is moving away from this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India never abandonded Russia? lol What has India got which Russia needs apart from the billions of rupees for the weapons they buy? Russia doesn't need India, youre delusional.

Pakistan and Russian relations are improving recently, you have to be blind not to see this. Putin and Khan stood next to each other on the world stage while the bloke who thinks clouds effect radar was on the end of the line. Btw you havent responded to your great Modis views on radar, clouds, emails and digital cameras? Please do.

Pakistani are not like Indians, no need to hide from reality. Yes there have been many puppets of the Americans in office and it was disgusting but Pakistanis have now changed their ruling party. Now the tide is turning , India is now a US/Zionist puppet while Pakistan is moving away from this.

What Russia wants from India is for Russians and Indians to decide, not Pakistanis. Lol. Lets say that Russia wants billions of dollars, can a nation living off bailouts give that to Russia?

All that pakistanis like you find is the example of Putin and Imran sharing stage with other leaders during SCO summit. Lol. Before the Summit Modi and Putin met and had a 1:1 meeting. Ofcourse pakistani media didnot show it. Modi and Putin again met at G20, where Modi held a trilateral meet with Putin and Xi. Currently Russian deputy PM is in India to prepare the ground work for Modis visit to Russia. The economic meet mentioned in the op, Putin invited Modi as the chief guest there. All this and what pakistanis got is a handful of clips and photos from Biskek to claim that Russia is warming upto Pakistan.

Pakistanis are nothing like India, thats why after US, they have no chosen a new master called China.

 

[AdamM97]

What Russia wants from India is for Russians and Indians to decide, not Pakistanis. Lol. Lets say that Russia wants billions of dollars, can a nation living off bailouts give that to Russia?

All that pakistanis like you find is the example of Putin and Imran sharing stage with other leaders during SCO summit. Lol. Before the Summit Modi and Putin met and had a 1:1 meeting. Ofcourse pakistani media didnot show it. Modi and Putin again met at G20, where Modi held a trilateral meet with Putin and Xi. Currently Russian deputy PM is in India to prepare the ground work for Modis visit to Russia. The economic meet mentioned in the op, Putin invited Modi as the chief guest there. All this and what pakistanis got is a handful of clips and photos from Biskek to claim that Russia is warming upto Pakistan.

Pakistanis are nothing like India, thats why after US, they have no chosen a new master called China.

Even India gets aid from the US and relies on foreign support against China.

As for Pakistan-Russia: Russia may not be ready to abandon India because of your trade ties but Russia and Pakistan have similar geostrategic interests which only makes it more likely for the two countries to become future allies. Plus India seems to prefer our old ally, the US(a much bigger power compared to Russia) these days anyways so why are Indians losing their sleep thinking about Pakistan-Russia ties lol.

 

[Napa]

India under the fascist BJP have gone into the US/Zionist camp, they say jump and your nation will as we see with the Iranian oil.

Putin knows this and although he will want to keep good relations to India who spend billions on weapons but geo-politically he is getting closer to Pakistan, nobody can deny this. Im sorry if you are having sleepless nights.

Because India has joined the camp, the US/Zionists will jump when India asks them to, so there.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Im happy to debate. What is the saffron version of history and current affairs in relation to this? Can you explain the difference between the Soviets and the Russians today?

As an Indian, surely you have a view as to why your nation has allowed a large chunk of its land to be occupied by Pakistan?

Perhaps you can tell me what the saffron version of this is? I am not sure what you mean by that. As far as the Indian narrative is concerned, you are welcome to read the newspapers and editorials around this topic - not that I've seen too many of late in the mainstream media. Perhaps this is not something that is worrisome yet.

Problem with existing status quo with Pak rests with our previous timid governments who were happier fleecing their peoples rather than work for the country. Hopefully, it will change in the near future.

 

[Napa]

Even India gets aid from the US

The Govt of India stopped getting aid from foreign countries over 20 years ago.

 

[aqeelPK]

India's Gdp is $3tn. Thats 10 times of pakistan.

India's forex reserves are $427bn. Whats the forex reserve of Pakistan, minus the IMF bailout and the short term deposits by 2-3 countries?

India has $1.9tn public debt (70% of their GDP), -$180bn budget balance & India's loans from the World Bank stand at $104 billion while overall external debt is $521bn which makes them one of the biggest beggars in the world.

 

[aqeelPK]

The Govt of India stopped getting aid from foreign countries over 20 years ago.

https://finances.worldbank.org/Loans-and-Credits/Loans-to-India/6aiu-7tgp
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2019/06/27/tuberculosis-india-world-bank-loan
https://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/**_PressReleaseDisplay.aspx?prid=44350
https://dea.gov.in/sites/default/files/QR published March 2018 PDF.pdf

 

[cricketjoshila]

Even India gets aid from the US and relies on foreign support against China.

As for Pakistan-Russia: Russia may not be ready to abandon India because of your trade ties but Russia and Pakistan have similar geostrategic interests which only makes it more likely for the two countries to become future allies. Plus India seems to prefer our old ally, the US(a much bigger power compared to Russia) these days anyways so why are Indians losing their sleep thinking about Pakistan-Russia ties lol.

India gets aid from US? What kind of aid?

India will keep its relations with Russia,no matter what US says. The most recent example is the purchase of S400 ABMs.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India has $1.9tn public debt (70% of their GDP), -$180bn budget balance & India's loans from the World Bank stand at $104 billion while overall external debt is $521bn which makes them one of the biggest beggars in the world.

India's debt to gdp ratio is lower than US UK France Germany Japan etc. Thats not the problem as India can service its debt, unlike Pakistan.

India's budget deficit is 3.4% of its gdp. Again within the comfort range.

Beggar is a country that cannot pay its debt and has to ask IMF and other countries to bail them out.

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://finances.worldbank.org/Loans-and-Credits/Loans-to-India/6aiu-7tgp
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2019/06/27/tuberculosis-india-world-bank-loan
https://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/**_PressReleaseDisplay.aspx?prid=44350
https://dea.gov.in/sites/default/files/QR published March 2018 PDF.pdf

Do you understand the difference between Loan and Aid?

Do you understand the difference between Debt and bankruptcy?

Seems you dont.

 

[Napa]

India has $1.9tn public debt (70% of their GDP), -$180bn budget balance & India's loans from the World Bank stand at $104 billion while overall external debt is $521bn which makes them one of the biggest beggars in the world.

Public debt is also money owed by Indians to other Indians. The point is not how much debt, but the capacity to service it. Countries with the ability to service their external debt have large forex reserves. The situation is not very different from corporations. A firm like Apple has a large debt, however its short-term solvency can be measured by various ratios of current assets divided by current liabilities.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/current-ratio

FYI, the public debt of the US is about $22 trillion.

Anyway, not to mock Pakistan, but obviously its exports are stuck in low-tech mode, while Pakistanis still like consuming high-tech expensive foreign goods in addition to oil. At some point they will either have to develop modern industries and export high value items (like India does), or they will have to reduce their consumption of foreign goods (like much of sub-Saharan Africa does). Something has to give.

 

[Napa]

https://finances.worldbank.org/Loans-and-Credits/Loans-to-India/6aiu-7tgp
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2019/06/27/tuberculosis-india-world-bank-loan
https://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/**_PressReleaseDisplay.aspx?prid=44350
https://dea.gov.in/sites/default/files/QR published March 2018 PDF.pdf

A World Bank loan is not not necessarily aid. Besides aiding countries that are on the verge of bankruptcy, the WB also gives loans to places it thinks it will get a good return from. That is why the WB gives loans to many projects in India which also serve some social purpose.

 

[Napa]

https://dea.gov.in/sites/default/files/QR published March 2018 PDF.pdf

The relevant portion from the above link is:

(viii) The ratio of short-term external debt by original maturity to foreign exchange reserves stood at 23.8 per cent at end-December 2017 as compared to 23.2 per cent at end September 2017 and 23.8 per cent at end-March 2017.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Indians : Loan is not aid

 

[Technics 1210]

The new power brokers of the world, Russia and China, are realizing the geographical and economical preeminence of Pakistan.

The future is bright for Pakistan!

 

[Romali_rotti]

So Russians are basically sending out another signal to the Indians for getting too cozy with the Americans.... Indians only need to worry when Russians start selling submarines, S300, Su-35 etc to Pakistan, till then let this go the way it is, sit back and stay calm

 

[AdamM97]

The new power brokers of the world, Russia and China, are realizing the geographical and economical preeminence of Pakistan.

The future is bright for Pakistan!

Russia along with the rest of Central Asia have an interest in Gwadar because it’s the fastest way to the Arabian sea for them.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What Russia wants from India is for Russians and Indians to decide, not Pakistanis. Lol. Lets say that Russia wants billions of dollars, can a nation living off bailouts give that to Russia?

All that pakistanis like you find is the example of Putin and Imran sharing stage with other leaders during SCO summit. Lol. Before the Summit Modi and Putin met and had a 1:1 meeting. Ofcourse pakistani media didnot show it. Modi and Putin again met at G20, where Modi held a trilateral meet with Putin and Xi. Currently Russian deputy PM is in India to prepare the ground work for Modis visit to Russia. The economic meet mentioned in the op, Putin invited Modi as the chief guest there. All this and what pakistanis got is a handful of clips and photos from Biskek to claim that Russia is warming upto Pakistan.

Pakistanis are nothing like India, thats why after US, they have no chosen a new master called China.

Putin is a very smart chap, he wont want to be seen publicaly hugging and being close to someone who believes clouds hide radar, he sent emails and used digital cameras before they were invented. Of course he will take the Indian money. India has more people than most in the world but is one of the highest spenders of weapons in the world, Putin must be laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[aqeelPK]

Pakistan PM Imran Khan not invited at Eastern Economic Forum, clarifies Russia

https://www.wionews.com/south-asia/...astern-economic-forum-clarifies-russia-234102

Over to you Indian friends.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Putin is a very smart chap, he wont want to be seen publicaly hugging and being close to someone who believes clouds hide radar, he sent emails and used digital cameras before they were invented. Of course he will take the Indian money. India has more people than most in the world but is one of the highest spenders of weapons in the world, Putin must be laughing all the way to the bank.

Putin is a smart man which is why he didnot invite Imran Khan to this summit.

How desperate is Pakistan to get attention from Russia?

This is the third time Russia has come out officially to deny Pakistani media reports regarding Russia-Pak relations.

Regarding Putin not wanting to be seen in public with Modi.


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[cricketjoshila]

What will happen to the Russia China Pak Iran Alliance?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Pakistan PM Imran Khan not invited at Eastern Economic Forum, clarifies Russia

https://www.wionews.com/south-asia/...astern-economic-forum-clarifies-russia-234102

Over to you Indian friends.

Oh dear.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] what are your thoughts on this?

 

[JaDed]

The new power brokers of the world, Russia and China, are realizing the geographical and economical preeminence of Pakistan.

The future is bright for Pakistan!

Did the new power brokers jus cancel the invite?

 

[Napa]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] what are your thoughts on this?

There isn't much Pakistan has to offer Russia, but Putin sees no harm in improved relations with Pakistan. All countries that feel slighted by the US (Pakistan, Egypt, Turkey and even China) have been running to Russia and Putin believes that some may come useful in some way in the future.

India has a history of friendship with Russia and neither side wants to give that up. India has significantly helped Russia recently. First, by publicly taking Russia's side on Crimea when the West was trying to isolate Russian, and second by spending billions of dollars to buy the SS-400 system. The US has been trying very hard to kill off Russia's defense industry by sanctioning its customers, so the SS-400 deal is of utmost importance to Russia.

India is telling the US at this point "You can sanction us if you want, but we are going ahead". As the US-China hostility gets worse, it is doubtful that the US would want to lose India, so most likely significant sanctions will not happen.

Besides political considerations, there is genuine warmth in the Indo-Russian relationship. In the past the Soviet Union was important to India as its arms supplier and veto in the UN Security Council. At this point, with its fast increasing economic power, India has more to offer Russia, and till now has been coming through. The Modi government is tough and likely not to succumb to pressure. Modi said something like "Every child in India knows Russia has been our friend".

India's message to the US is "We can be friends. Our friendship with Russia should not be an obstacle". Other than the warmongers and neocons in the US establishment (who Trump has somewhat tamed, booting Nuland from State and not reading books by her husband Kagan like Obama used to), this message will likely be accepted by the US.

 

[Abdullah719]

Reports about PM's participation in Eastern Economic Forum in Russia 'speculative': FO

Foreign Office spokesperson Dr Mohammad Faisal on Tuesday termed reports regarding Prime Minister Imran Khan's participation in the Eastern Economic Forum (EEF) in Russia as "speculative".

Taking to Twitter, Dr Faisal said Pakistan and Russia remain in contact about engagement at the highest level.

"Any announcement in this regard would be made formally at [the] appropriate time," he wrote.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reports appearing in media about Prime Minister’s participation in Eastern Economic Forum (EEF) in Russia are speculative. Pakistan and Russia remain in contact about engagement at the highest level. Any announcement in this regard would be made formally at appropriate time.</p>— Dr Mohammad Faisal (@DrMFaisal) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrMFaisal/status/1148452125447471104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Sources in the FO had on Saturday said that Prime Minister Imran would join the EEF meeting in Russia in September on the invitation of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The invitation was extended by President Putin during the recently-held Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) meeting that both leaders had attended, the sources had said.

Following the reports, however, Indian media outlets quoted diplomatic sources as saying that the Russian foreign ministry had dismissed reports that PM Imran had been invited for the forum in September, where The Economic Times said Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will be the chief guest.

It was not clear whether the FO spokesperson was terming the reports in the Indian media as speculative or those published by the Pakistani media, or both.

His statement comes as Prime Minister Imran is scheduled to meet US President Donald Trump on July 22 during an official working visit to Washington.

EEF is an international forum held each year since 2015 in September, in Vladivostok, Russia. The forum seeks to encourage foreign investment in the Russian Far East.

Pakistan and Russia have both been on the same page regarding bringing long-term peace to Afghanistan. In December 2018, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi visited Russia during a whirlwind four-nation tour.

The two sides "agreed to continue efforts, including through Moscow Format of Consultations, for supporting reconciliation under an Afghan-led and Afghan-owned peace process", the Foreign Office said at the time.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1493027/r...stern-economic-forum-in-russia-speculative-fo

 

[Technics 1210]

Did the new power brokers jus cancel the invite?

Did you just wait days to respond?

You tell me if the invite is cancelled or not. Don't lose sleep over it ey, India can always gatecrash.

 

[JaDed]

Did you just wait days to respond?

You tell me if the invite is cancelled or not. Don't lose sleep over it ey, India can always gatecrash.

No one losing sleep over it bruh you are the one who thinks they are power brokers!

 

[Technics 1210]

No one losing sleep over it bruh you are the one who thinks they are power brokers!

Someone didn't get the invite it seems.

Russia and China are not power brokers?

Rhetorical question meaning no need to answer it.

 

[JaDed]

Someone didn't get the invite it seems.

Russia and China are not power brokers?

Rhetorical question meaning no need to answer it.

Yup as per Russia, Imran ain't invited but looks like you wished he was.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Ahh Bharatis...a funny breed I must say. Everything about them from their elections to world cups revolve around Pakistan.

Amusing...sorta sad...but amusing nonetheless.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

We people are a free sovereign country where no one can drone bomb us, no one can dictate our economic policies and we dont need to bend over to get investments.

One can see stooge in others as he himself is one.

Lol when America said stop relations with Iran you stopped. Who are you trying to joke with? India does what Washington tells them to do.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yup as per Russia, Imran ain't invited but looks like you wished he was.

So you accept Russia and China are power brokers.

Job done.

 

[JaDed]

So you accept Russia and China are power brokers.

Job done.

Congratulations

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol when America said stop relations with Iran you stopped. Who are you trying to joke with? India does what Washington tells them to do.

Thats why Russia invites the Indian PM as the chief guest and the Pakistani PM isnt invited?

How desperate of pakistan media to report that IK was invited,forcing Russia to officially say he was not.

India does what is in interest of India.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Putin is a smart man which is why he didnot invite Imran Khan to this summit.

How desperate is Pakistan to get attention from Russia?

This is the third time Russia has come out officially to deny Pakistani media reports regarding Russia-Pak relations.

Regarding Putin not wanting to be seen in public with Modi.


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I asked you a specific question which you have again ran away from. You cant be the BJP propaganda machine if you choose to ingore questions.

Do you believe Putin respects anyone who believes clouds mess up radars and who believes he sent an email before it was invented. This made world news,how do you think Putin reacted to this?

 

[Napa]

Thats why Russia invites the Indian PM as the chief guest and the Pakistani PM isnt invited?

How desperate of pakistan media to report that IK was invited,forcing Russia to officially say he was not.

India does what is in interest of India.

Whether Pakistan is invited or not won't have any great impact in the real world. Too much is being made of these meetings.

From the perspective of what happens in the next 100 years:

Russia's greatest problems at the moment are: 1) reduce corruption 2) create a free market environment like China has done 3) reverse its demographic decline

India's greatest problems at the moment are: 1) reduce corruption 2) create a free market environment like China has done 3) reverse the demographic decline of its educated communities

Pakistan's greatest problems at the moment are: 1) reduce corruption 2) reduce the power of it feudals and the Army 3) make the environment for conducive to FDI by shaking off the perception that it promotes terrorism and that there are multiple terrorist organizations in the country 4) not sure where the population growth of Pakistan is coming from so demographic decline of its educated communities may or may not be happening.

Attending meetings and political alliances are really sideshows to the main issues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I asked you a specific question which you have again ran away from. You cant be the BJP propaganda machine if you choose to ingore questions.

Do you believe Putin respects anyone who believes clouds mess up radars and who believes he sent an email before it was invented. This made world news,how do you think Putin reacted to this?

Do you believe Putin cares for what you or western media say? They have said worse about him.

Putin cares about Russian interests and India has been a Russian ally for decades. Putin just invited Modi to be the chief guest at this summit. Thats his respect for Modi.

So where is Imran Khan? Not invited to the summit? Why lie?

Teach Imran khan geography, tell him Japan and Germany are not neighbours. Or may be tell him about the Uighyr camps in China.

Oh btw i do not need to do any propoganda. Imran Khan needs lies like these to big himself up. No Indian PM needs it.

You guys are so desperate to get Russian attention.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Do you believe Putin cares for what you or western media say? They have said worse about him.

Putin cares about Russian interests and India has been a Russian ally for decades. Putin just invited Modi to be the chief guest at this summit. Thats his respect for Modi.

So where is Imran Khan? Not invited to the summit? Why lie?

Teach Imran khan geography, tell him Japan and Germany are not neighbours. Or may be tell him about the Uighyr camps in China.

Oh btw i do not need to do any propoganda. Imran Khan needs lies like these to big himself up. No Indian PM needs it.

You guys are so desperate to get Russian attention.

Im sure Putin cares what Modi thinks and he must have laughed his backside off. All leaders make slip ups but not all make up blantant lies which may fool their own population but not others. Putin doesnt care for India apart from taking money and he doesn't care for Pakistan either but is smart enough to get closer to nations for his geo-political advantages, which he is doing. No need to be upset, your rupees are still more valuable to him.

 

[Mamoon]

You know things are bad when people are belly-dancing over the presumption that Putin appears to be friendly with Imran Khan. It is a sorry situation but Pakistan has reduced itself to this position by allowing the military to dictate its foreign policy. Whatever happens inside Pakistan is Pakistan's problem, but as a nation, we have the status of a terrorist state today primarily because of our foreign policy that is designed by the military to serve their interests.

We need to get ahead of Bangladesh first before comparing ourselves to India or hoping that Putin would be willing to sour terms with its major ally for the sake of the mighty Khan who will turn Pakistan into a superpower.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You know things are bad when people are belly-dancing over the presumption that Putin appears to be friendly with Imran Khan. It is a sorry situation but Pakistan has reduced itself to this position by allowing the military to dictate its foreign policy. Whatever happens inside Pakistan is Pakistan's problem, but as a nation, we have the status of a terrorist state today primarily because of our foreign policy that is designed by the military to serve their interests.

We need to get ahead of Bangladesh first before comparing ourselves to India or hoping that Putin would be willing to sour terms with its major ally for the sake of the mighty Khan who will turn Pakistan into a superpower.

Everyone with half a brain and any sort of knowledge of world politics knows Russia and Pakistan relations are improving.

Btw please dont use the word 'we', you have lost the right to claim Paksitan is yours or you are any spokesman for Pakistan because you were hoping India dropped bombs on Pakistani schoolchildren. Nobody on here takes you seriously but carry on writing essays.

 

[aqeelPK]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">علم نہیں کہ وزیراعظم عمران خان اس ماہ امریکاکادورہ کررہے ہیں،امریکی محکمہ خارجہ</p>— Geo News Urdu (@geonews_urdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu/status/1148691445534076932?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

State department saying they have no knowledge of Imran Khan's US visit. WTH is going on?
News is all over on Pakistani media, no just Geo Tv.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Do you believe Putin cares for what you or western media say? They have said worse about him.

Putin cares about Russian interests and India has been a Russian ally for decades. Putin just invited Modi to be the chief guest at this summit. Thats his respect for Modi.

So where is Imran Khan? Not invited to the summit? Why lie?

Teach Imran khan geography, tell him Japan and Germany are not neighbours. Or may be tell him about the Uighyr camps in China.

Oh btw i do not need to do any propoganda. Imran Khan needs lies like these to big himself up. No Indian PM needs it.

You guys are so desperate to get Russian attention.

whats the spelling of strength ?
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]