[Reports] All England players available for T20I series against Pakistan & not IPL play-offs

[HitWicket]

Wait, who said The Hundred was a success? The ECB were handing out free tickets for every game just to fill the stadiums and even then they weren’t at full capacity.

Have you got a source on a substantial amount of free tickets being handed out for any game other than the opening standalone womens game?

 

[TeymurBlake]

I think they have confirmed availability beforehand.

Cool. This series should be better then.

 

[Rana]

Cool. This series should be better then.

First proper white ball home series for Pakistan

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

First proper white ball home series for Pakistan

Which channel will broadcast it in India?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

LOL seems pretty deliberate by ECB. But hey, I'm just glad England will be sending a full-strength squad. Seen too many series at home with depleted opposition squads.

 

[Rana]

ECB be like ‘an enemy of my enemy is my friend’

Proper Godfather move

 

[Saj]

This could be a move in response to the cancellation of the 5th Test and could be a gentle reminder from the ECB to the BCCI that they also have a few tricks up their sleeve.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

LOL seems pretty deliberate by ECB. But hey, I'm just glad England will be sending a full-strength squad. Seen too many series at home with depleted opposition squads.

Looks like there is a small crack in The Great Wall Of Big 3. Hopefully this Big 3 B$ will end soon and every team will play against each other just like old times. Schedule is too money driven currently.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What you say is right. The ECB and the players are fully in the right to be miffed. But if the ECB goes through with this, the future participation of Eng players could be in jeopardy.

Not just the current players with contracts but future players who want to play in the IPL. Hope this does not turn into Pakistan 2.0.

But as you say, this is all behind the scenes and the ECB will roll over.

Leave that. BCCI will not play 5 test series in England next time. They will reduce it to 4 or 3 tests. What will ECB do then?

Oh btw do not take [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] seriously.

 

[Rana]

Leave that. BCCI will not play 5 test series in England next time. They will reduce it to 4 or 3 tests. What will ECB do then?

Oh btw do not take [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] seriously.

They won’t die of hunger mate

 

[cricketjoshila]

This could be a move in response to the cancellation of the 5th Test and could be a gentle reminder from the ECB to the BCCI that they also have a few tricks up their sleeve.

What if BCCI next time tells ECB that from the next tour there wont be any extra 5th test for them?

Remember England play 4 tests in India while India has been playing 5 tests from the last two tours. Is ECB is willing to take that hit?

There is only one BCCI in this world.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Leave that. BCCI will not play 5 test series in England next time. They will reduce it to 4 or 3 tests. What will ECB do then?

Oh btw do not take [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] seriously.

Most probably they will arrange a 3 match test series against Pakistan in England?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Generates revenue and keeps BCCI in check. Not bad strategy from ECB.

Lol.

There are only two tours for the ECB that generates a surplus, Ashes and India tour.

So pakistan or anyone else isn't a replacement.

 

[Last Monetarist]

What if BCCI next time tells ECB that from the next tour there wont be any extra 5th test for them?

Remember England play 4 tests in India while India has been playing 5 tests from the last two tours. Is ECB is willing to take that hit?

There is only one BCCI in this world.

India played 5 tests against England in 2016, and were supposed to play 5 earlier this year but one was scrapped due to covid.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They won’t die of hunger mate

Let them decide if they want a £40mn hit. They are crying over this once. Are they willing suffer the same forever?

There are only two tours that generates a annual surplus for ECB, Ashes and India tour. If they are willing to sacrifice it. Good on them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India played 5 tests against England in 2016, and were supposed to play 5 earlier this year but one was scrapped due to covid.

And BCCI has offered to play 1 test 1 ODI and 1 T20 next year to compensate ECB.

If ECB wants to have a confrontation, they can have one. At worst the series will be declared 2-2.

But ECB will lose 3 extra matches from next year and a extra test match every tour forever.

 

[Rana]

Let them decide if they want a £40mn hit. They are crying over this once. Are they willing suffer the same forever?

There are only two tours that generates a annual surplus for ECB, Ashes and India tour. If they are willing to sacrifice it. Good on them.

They will get that £40m once the ICC declares the result a forfeit

And then BCCI will just be a Big 2 I suppose, whilst ECB will still be a Big draw with all other cricket boards?

 

[cricketjoshila]

They will get that £40m once the ICC declares the result a forfeit

And then BCCI will just be a Big 2 I suppose, whilst ECB will still be a Big draw with all other cricket boards?

If the ICC declares it a forfeit. If BCCI agrees to the DRC and doesn't take it to CAS. Insurance only covers ticket sales, thats £10mn.

But the ECB will now be making surplus only in the year they host ashes. That means, their 4 year revenue cycle where they made revenue surplus in 2 years when they hosted ashes and india and losses the other two years will now be, losses for 3 years. This will continue forever.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Looks like there is a small crack in The Great Wall Of Big 3. Hopefully this Big 3 B$ will end soon and every team will play against each other just like old times. Schedule is too money driven currently.

One can only wish...

 

[Last Monetarist]

One can only wish...

I don't think the status quo is sustainable for too long, there can only be two ways this ends:

1. The BCCI become clearly the only force that matters in cricket, de facto rulers of the sport like the MCC were for over a hundred years; or

2. CA and the ECB decide that they'll have to take the short-term hit and try to build an alliance with all the other countries while wresting control of the game.

Option 1 looks more probable than any other scenario, but it's pretty clear that dissent is increasing in the rest of the world. Money cannot continue to buy everyone off, it's not a sustainable strategy even for the BCCI.

 

[Rana]

I don't think the status quo is sustainable for too long, there can only be two ways this ends:

1. The BCCI become clearly the only force that matters in cricket, de facto rulers of the sport like the MCC were for over a hundred years; or

2. CA and the ECB decide that they'll have to take the short-term hit and try to build an alliance with all the other countries while wresting control of the game.

Option 1 looks more probable than any other scenario, but it's pretty clear that dissent is increasing in the rest of the world. Money cannot continue to buy everyone off, it's not a sustainable strategy even for the BCCI.

No.2 will work

They just need to trust their gut instinct and go for it

 

[hitthestump]

What if BCCI next time tells ECB that from the next tour there wont be any extra 5th test for them?

Remember England play 4 tests in India while India has been playing 5 tests from the last two tours. Is ECB is willing to take that hit?

There is only one BCCI in this world.

It's really funny how you're practically wetting yourself with excitement at the thought of the BCCI acting like a tyrant. Why are Indians like yourselves so desperate to throw your newly found weight around?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I don't think the status quo is sustainable for too long, there can only be two ways this ends:

1. The BCCI become clearly the only force that matters in cricket, de facto rulers of the sport like the MCC were for over a hundred years; or

2. CA and the ECB decide that they'll have to take the short-term hit and try to build an alliance with all the other countries while wresting control of the game.

Option 1 looks more probable than any other scenario, but it's pretty clear that dissent is increasing in the rest of the world. Money cannot continue to buy everyone off, it's not a sustainable strategy even for the BCCI.

The more powerful BCCI gets, the more arrogant and apathetic it will get in the way it deals with others. Till now it has been doing this to boards that don't matter enough: PCB, CSA. But once it starts doing the same to ECB and CA on a more frequent basis than its hard to see Option 2 not coming into the mix.

The question then will be whether these two will actually have the gall to follow through. I know it seems improbable but there's only so long you can go around hoping for everyone to dance to your whims. But in such a case India can also take a step backwards and moderate the way it behaves with Australia and England. To preserve the status-quo. Because as far as India is concerned, those are the only two boards that matter.

At any rate, its obvious that deep resentment is building. And sooner or later, something will have to give...

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's really funny how you're practically wetting yourself with excitement at the thought of the BCCI acting like a tyrant. Why are Indians like yourselves so desperate to throw your newly found weight around?

Tyrant? BCCI does business. If ecb isnt interested in it and wants a confrontation then ofcourse BCCI will hit back.

 

[fitCricFan]

The more powerful BCCI gets, the more arrogant and apathetic it will get in the way it deals with others. Till now it has been doing this to boards that don't matter enough: PCB, CSA. But once it starts doing the same to ECB and CA on a more frequent basis than its hard to see Option 2 not coming into the mix.

The question then will be whether these two will actually have the gall to follow through. I know it seems improbable but there's only so long you can go around hoping for everyone to dance to your whims. But in such a case India can also take a step backwards and moderate the way it behaves with Australia and England. To preserve the status-quo. Because as far as India is concerned, those are the only two boards that matter.

At any rate, its obvious that deep resentment is building. And sooner or later, something will have to give...

If its correct that the Indian's only wanted to push the game out by a couple of days to have a full handle on assessing the potential impact of Covid then its the ECB's arrogance that they not only declined the request but also pushed a false narrative around Team India refusing to play. It seems ECB was only thinking about recouping their losses through the insurance payout

Will wait for the facts to come out and until then BCCI is fair game for the haters.

 

[Saj]

What if BCCI next time tells ECB that from the next tour there wont be any extra 5th test for them?

Remember England play 4 tests in India while India has been playing 5 tests from the last two tours. Is ECB is willing to take that hit?

There is only one BCCI in this world.

I'm sure the ECB could make up for that easily with an extra Test against Australia.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm sure the ECB could make up for that easily with an extra Test against Australia.

6 test Ashes?

 

[U$ofA]

Looking at the big picture, I think this is nothing but a speed bump in an otherwise smooth road that only the Big3 are allowed on.

Like @CryinOutLoud mentioned, everything will be back to normal soon on the Big3 highway.

There is just too much money involved to let these kinds of small and petty things get in the way. There is money to be made. The people in charge know that and will do everything to generate this revenue.

I mean a single India test has a revenue generation in the neighborhood of $55 million. So imagine how much $$$ is being generated for the full series. That is no chump change. No one is going to do anything to jeopardize it.

Sure there will be all kinds of statements made to the public (just hot air, does not do anything). But at the same time there will be talks behind doors (actions that actually is reality) to get things back to where they want.

I am sure we will see normal service resume by the time the next IPL auction comes. Where dozens of English players will put their hands up to play. The ECB will also be generating NOC's on the double to all these players. Not to mention the next Ind tour of Eng.

Hey, we all live in the real world.

 

[Napa]

I'm sure the ECB could make up for that easily with an extra Test against Australia.

Does ECB get (a share or all of) the Indian TV advertising revenues for Tests played between England and India in England? If it does, then financially an extra Test with Australia won't make up for a lost Test with India.

Australia is a much smaller market.

 

[Devadwal]

Just calm down .dada is going to England on 22 September so wait until because a lot of people's will get humiliated then.

 

[Ismailtoca]

As much as I detest the BCCI - the pull out was fine. Didn't the ECB do it even worse against SAF a year ago? SAF actually invested quite a bit for the tour - but the ECB pulled out.

This is just the ECB being cry babies. This will worsen relations with BCCI.

I dont mind

Looking forward to watching England's best XI against Pakistan in Pakistan

 

[Junaids]

Lol.

There are only two tours for the ECB that generates a surplus, Ashes and India tour.

So pakistan or anyone else isn't a replacement.

That's actually completely untrue.

Why do you think they played against West Indies and Pakistan behind closed doors last season, for 6 Tests?

The ECB makes a profit on ALL home Test series. This is partly because the domestic multi-year TV contracts cover multiple touring nations, but also because the grounds and especially hospitality sell out for pretty much every Test on Days 1 to 3, and usually Day 4 too.

Test matches v Australia sell the most Day 4 and Day 5 tickets, but that helps the staging county, not the ECB.

Next year New Zealand and South Africa play 3 Tests each. The TV rights are already sold around the world and the grounds will be packed for Days 1-3 and often on Day 4.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's actually completely untrue.

Why do you think they played against West Indies and Pakistan behind closed doors last season, for 6 Tests?

The ECB makes a profit on ALL home Test series. This is partly because the domestic multi-year TV contracts cover multiple touring nations, but also because the grounds and especially hospitality sell out for pretty much every Test on Days 1 to 3, and usually Day 4 too.

Test matches v Australia sell the most Day 4 and Day 5 tickets, but that helps the staging county, not the ECB.

Next year New Zealand and South Africa play 3 Tests each. The TV rights are already sold around the world and the grounds will be packed for Days 1-3 and often on Day 4.

https://www.insidesport.co/ecb-eyes-india-tour-ashes-to-strengthen-finances-0323052018/

Tell that to the ECB who say that they only have a revenue surplus when India or Australia tours.

And regards to your claims,


http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...a-appoints-Nick-Hockley-as-CEO-Post-166/page2

This thread is full of it.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

ECB is probably second to BCCI when it comes to being "money making". They are self sufficient. They only welcomed IPL from 2015 onwards.

When it comes to whether England's full squad would tour Pak or not, I'd say everyone barring Morgan would probably come if directed by ECB. Morgan said he would never tour to play he has a suspicion of being uncomfortable in. He opted out of Bangladesh in 2016.

Sounds like a cold war in the making but I presume things would be sorted out soon. India's high octane series are usually with Eng, Aus, NZ and SA(SA team has declined way too much in last few years).

 

[Walawalkar]

All England players will be available for IPL2021 play-offs in UAE.

 

[JaDed]

So many flip flops in last 2 weeks.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=2099]Cricket[/MENTION]joshilla and you were saying nothing like this was happening as only 3 players backed out

You were saying?

 

[IAJ]

You were saying?

Lols, Indian media’s headlines: « Pakistan face global embarrassment» mana lou khushyan ji bharr kay.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lols, Indian media’s headlines: « Pakistan face global embarrassment» mana lou khushyan ji bharr kay.

Bhai i am sorry for those headlines.

As a cricket fan i was looking forward to the NZ tour.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You were saying?

Those players actually chose International Cricket over IPL. It is not their fault that ECB cancelled the tour.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bhai i am sorry for those headlines.

As a cricket fan i was looking forward to the NZ tour.

Who are you trying to fool here lol? As a cricket fan you don't want to see India play against Pakistan but were desperately waiting for Pak vs NZ?

 

[Rajdeep]

So many flip flops in last 2 weeks.

If I may arrange them in chronological order:

1) First IPL postponment.

2) Then IPL rescheduling.

3) Then Giles saying England players wont play.

4) Then allowing Eng players to participate.

5) Then Eng players pull out as revenge.

6) Now due to situation in Pakistan, players are heading back to IPL

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Who are you trying to fool here lol? As a cricket fan you don't want to see India play against Pakistan but were desperately waiting for Pak vs NZ?

There are plenty of people like that. It's not unique

 

[dravidthewall]

Never thought this much circus after 10 th sep ...

 

[pratiktc]

Well this thread ended up quite topsy turvy

 

[iniqbal223]

I second the opinion that if your team cant even beat B/C grade teams then this is bound to happen

Thanks Misbah & Waqar & Babar for not only leading team to become a laughing stock to a team even C grade playing XI won't consider even visiting

We MUST get rid of the CURSE known as Misbah ul haq

 

[topspin]

I second the opinion that if your team cant even beat B/C grade teams then this is bound to happen

Thanks Misbah & Waqar & Babar for not only leading team to become a laughing stock to a team even C grade playing XI won't consider even visiting

We MUST get rid of the CURSE known as Misbah ul haq

Agreed even if it means we have to exile him then so be it.

 

[Devadwal]

Just calm down .dada is going to England on 22 September so wait until because a lot of people's will get humiliated then.

Told you guy's but ..

 

[maint12345]

Karma - this thread is a very good example of this concept.
Rejoicing at the perceived misfortune of others , came to bite some posters here bigtime.
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

 

[Sherlock]

4 days in Pakistan was too much for the ECB...

So 4 days in Pakistan for 2 T20s was too much for player welfare for the English players, and yet their players are okay for a 2 week stay in India for the IPL?

At this stage call a spade a spade - we know money talks and this isn't about player welfare at all but player power.

 

[Rana]

Karma - this thread is a very good example of this concept.
Rejoicing at the perceived misfortune of others , came to bite some posters here bigtime.
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

Is England playing cricket against Pakistan at the same time the IPL is going on??????

Gloating Indian hater detected!

 

[Saj]

No update as yet regarding further availability of some players who are now not going to Pakistan.

I don't think this position will change.

 

[dravidthewall]

Karma - this thread is a very good example of this concept.
Rejoicing at the perceived misfortune of others , came to bite some posters here bigtime.
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

Even the india 5th test cancelation thread.,people mocking about forfeit. Karma- New Zealand and England canceled whole tour.

 

[Saurav]

Is England playing cricket against Pakistan at the same time the IPL is going on??????

Gloating Indian hater detected!

now they are not

 

[Rana]

now they are not

Congratulations

Now find all of your friends and do a group Dandia dance

 

[Napa]

So 4 days in Pakistan for 2 T20s was too much for player welfare for the English players, and yet their players are okay for a 2 week stay in India for the IPL?

At this stage call a spade a spade - <b>we know money talks</b> and this isn't about player welfare at all but player power.

I am confused. We have [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] assuring us that BCCI is broke and dependent upon "handouts" from ECB and CA, and you are saying that BCCI money is making English players scratch national team matches in favor of IPL/BCCI?

 

[Saurav]

Congratulations

Now find all of your friends and do a group Dandia dance

nah too busy watching Eng and NZ players in IPL

 

[Rana]

nah too busy watching Eng and NZ players in IPL

Once again

Congratulations.

 

[Napa]

Good news. Would love to watch this series with full strength England side available during IPL vs Pakistan. Internationals > Pyjama Leagues.

So, are you now ready to accept reality?

 

[Sherlock]

I am confused. We have [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] assuring us that BCCI is broke and dependent upon "handouts" from ECB and CA, and you are saying that BCCI money is making English players scratch national team matches in favor of IPL/BCCI?

You must've missed the statement by Giles when he said the players missing the IPL, in any way, wouldn't be prudent for England Cricket as, if they're not allowed to feature in the IPL many will choose that format & fortune over England cricket.

It's always about player power and what they choose to do.

Regarding other users, I don't speak for them and they don't speak for me.

Shock horror, everyone has their own ideas and thoughts

 

[Napa]

You must've missed the statement by Giles when he said the players missing the IPL, in any way, wouldn't be prudent for England Cricket as, if they're not allowed to feature in the IPL many will choose that format & fortune over England cricket.

It's always about player power and what they choose to do.

Regarding other users, I don't speak for them and they don't speak for me.

Shock horror, everyone has their own ideas and thoughts

Indeed... everybody has their own ideas, however delusional they may be... and I did not mean to suggest that you were the delusional one.

As for the other guy

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So, are you now ready to accept reality?

What reality lol? They did choose International Cricket over IPL.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Karma - this thread is a very good example of this concept.
Rejoicing at the perceived misfortune of others , came to bite some posters here bigtime.
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

Another good example of Karma is some of my fellow Indian fans enjoying IPL in UAE. It is the same place where Pakistan used to play their home series not too long ago and Indian fans used to mock them for playing there.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It seems some of our so called real cricket fans are pretty happy that series between Pakistan and New Zealand got cancelled. They look so happy and excited that they have forgotten in their excitement that this cancelled series doesn't change the fact that few England players did choose International Cricket over their low quality Pyjama League. It is not their fault if that series got cancelled because of unknown reasons.

 

[dravidthewall]

It seems some of our so called real cricket fans are pretty happy that series between Pakistan and New Zealand got cancelled. They look so happy and excited that they have forgotten in their excitement that this cancelled series doesn't change the fact that few England players did choose International Cricket over their low quality Pyjama League. It is not their fault if that series got cancelled because of unknown reasons.

But the same england players will be back in next IPL , but they wont tour to pakistan.

 

[Walawalkar]

Another good example of Karma is some of my fellow Indian fans enjoying IPL in UAE. It is the same place where Pakistan used to play their home series not too long ago and Indian fans used to mock them for playing there.

I can understand your desperation but India is not playing cricket in UAE because of any security threat

 

[Mesozoic]

Another good example of Karma is some of my fellow Indian fans enjoying IPL in UAE. It is the same place where Pakistan used to play their home series not too long ago and Indian fans used to mock them for playing there.

New Zealand are touring India in a couple of months. Not the UAE. Hope you enjoy watching that series..

 

[Rana]

For all those Indians celebrating Karma

Natarajan has tested positive for Covid 19

 

[Rajdeep]

It was never in any doubt that English players will give priority to the IPL than random bilateral T20s. Considering its happening in the same venue where T20 world cup will take place, makes the choice even more simpler. Earn million bucks and also get aclamatized to the conditions where the marque event will take place. Only a fool would not choose this option.

But due to India pulling out of 5th test, English players go angry(rightly so) and took an emotional decision to boycott IPL. But the subsequent events in Pakistan has made the choice easy for English players. India pulling out of 5th test is a forgotten history now and all focus is on T20 world cup with IPL being its stepping stone.

 

[Rana]

https://twitter.com/michaelvaughan/status/1440617755800047621?s=21

 

[Rajdeep]

For all those Indians celebrating Karma

Natarajan has tested positive for Covid 19

With respect you celebrated too when England players decided to pull out of IPL. Just check your own posts in this thread where you credited ECB and called it 'A Godfather move'.

Karma = What goes around...comes around.

You celebrated then...Indian fans doing now and finding godfather in same ECB.

Simple

 

[Rana]

With respect you celebrated too when England players decided to pull out of IPL. Just check your own posts in this thread where you credited ECB and called it 'A Godfather move'.

Karma = What goes around...comes around.

You celebrated then...Indian fans doing now and finding godfather in same ECB.

Simple

For your benefit, I hope the celebrations continue even though there is a covid breakout in the SRH. Otherwise guess who’s ready to bring the Dhol and Bhangra to this thread?

 

[Walawalkar]

For your benefit, I hope the celebrations continue even though there is a covid breakout in the SRH. Otherwise guess who’s ready to bring the Dhol and Bhangra to this thread?

So Rana who is having the Last laugh then...
Now you can say Proper Godfather move by ECB from the shoulder of NZC

 

[MP2011]

https://twitter.com/michaelvaughan/status/1440617755800047621?s=21

Vaughan is a certified troll, I think he himself doesn't take himself seriously.

 

[Rana]

Vaughan is a certified troll, I think he himself doesn't take himself seriously.

But the fact remains

Covid has broken through once again

 

[MP2011]

But the fact remains

Covid has broken through once again

It has, but circumstances were vastly different before the 5th test. Our head coach, bowling coach, fielding coach, masseur were all affected by Covid.

 

[Rana]

It has, but circumstances were vastly different before the 5th test. Our head coach, bowling coach, fielding coach, masseur were all affected by Covid.

6 close contacts are in isolation

5 of them are SRH support Staff

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Give it up guys.

If India didn’t play the last Test because of COVID, it’s kinda hard to justify playing an IPL game.

In fact on a more serious note (if it is at all possible in these ludicrous times) I’m not sure what the COVID protocols are but, given the contagion risk, their team mates and the opposing team must be passing bricks!

 

[Napa]

What reality lol? They did choose International Cricket over IPL.

But international cricket chose IPL over itself )

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

For all those Indians celebrating Karma

Natarajan has tested positive for Covid 19

And still the tourney goes on. All international players in IPL are pure hypocrites