[REPORTS] Australian cricket bosses resigned to T20 World Cup being postponed, IPL likely in Oct-Dec

[Abdullah719]

Australian cricket chiefs are resigned to this year's men's Twenty20 World Cup being postponed, as momentum grows on the subcontinent for the lucrative Indian Premier League to be held in the global event's October-November timeslot.

Though tournament organisers are planning on the World Cup going ahead as scheduled, senior cricket figures hold little hope of that occurring.

Officials are mindful of the challenges involved in organising appropriate biosecurity and quarantine measures for 15 international sides to fly into Australia and play 45 games in seven cities. Border restrictions remain in place for Western Australia and South Australia.

Officials also do not want games to be played without fans and point to the spectacle of the women's T20 World Cup final, which drew a crowd of 86,174 days before sport in this country was shut down by the pandemic.

Host boards receive a fee from the ICC to stage the tournament, but ordinarily stand to make more money through ticket sales.

The event could be moved to next February, as reported by The Sun-Herald last month, but consideration is also being given to staging the tournament in the back half of next year. That, however, would have implications for the 2021 men's T20 World Cup, to be staged in India in October and November.

Organisers will get a better indication in the coming days from international broadcasters as to their preference for when the tournament should be held.

The AFL will be closely monitoring developments given the potentially major implications on its finals series, set to be held in October.

Under the ICC's agreement with venues, there is an exclusivity period of about three weeks to enable grounds to prepare for international cricket. This means football would lose access to the MCG, SCG, Gabba, Adelaide Oval and Optus Stadium from early October.

Moving the 29-day event from October-November would leave the ideal window for the IPL, which was forced from its usual April-May dates due to COVID-19.

The two-month long IPL is worth much more to the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), generating a reported $512 million a year compared to the $80m it receives annually from the ICC.

"If IPL has to happen, there has to be a clear-cut window of 30 to 40 days," BCCI treasurer Arun Dhumal told Reuters.

"If [the] T20 World Cup does not happen, and there’s a window available, then it would be worked out, subject to restrictions of course."

A week after Dhumal told the Herald he believed it would be "difficult" to stage the World Cup in October, India coach Ravi Shastri said the IPL and bilateral tours should be prioritised.

"I wouldn't put too much emphasis on world events right now," Shastri told the Times of India.

"Stay at home, ensure domestic cricket comes back to normal, cricketers at all levels international, first class, etc all get back on the field. That’s the most important bit. Second, start with bilateral cricket.

"When cricket resumes, we could give the IPL a priority. The difference between an international tournament and the IPL is that the IPL can be played between one or two cities and the logistics will be easier to manage.

"The same thing with bilaterals, it'll be easier for us to tour one country and play there at specific grounds than 15 to 16 teams flying in during these times. The International Cricket Council needs to look at this objectively."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...ses-resigned-to-t20-world-cup-being-postponed

 

[Bezli]

Wow, Aussies are running a show here.

Who cares about PSL/IPL/100League over international cricket?

Sad to say this but ppl are running behind some cash which is sad.

I’m sure ICC’s mission statement is not to run IPL but to promote cricket globally.

 

[Savak]

I don't get it, it is safe to host the IPL but unsafe to hold the T20 WC?

 

[Kroll]

I don't get it, it is safe to host the IPL but unsafe to hold the T20 WC?

My thoughts exactly, it's all smoke and mirrors in order to get the IPL up and running in a few months.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I don't get it, it is safe to host the IPL but unsafe to hold the T20 WC?

They ain’t suggesting they will host IPL in Australia, just having open window will allow BCCI to organize it in India.

Lastly, article above does mentioned hosting 15 nations in 7 cities for 45 days, will be a nightmare. I’m not suggesting IPL should take precedence, if it’s not safe then IPL too should be postponed. I just don’t see WT20 going ahead this year.

 

[Junaids]

I don't get it, it is safe to host the IPL but unsafe to hold the T20 WC?

Basically yes.

Australia puts a higher value on preserving human life and containing the virus not just than India but than England too.

We were astounded yesterday when we heard that in one hour last week 10 flights from New York landed at London Heathrow. We have laws against that sort of thing in Australia.

 

[Saj]

Most of the Aussie players will no doubt prefer a gig at the IPL than the T20 World Cup.

All about the rupees.

 

[Kroll]

Basically yes.

Australia puts a higher value on preserving human life and containing the virus not just than India but than England too.

We were astounded yesterday when we heard that in one hour last week 10 flights from New York landed at London Heathrow. We have laws against that sort of thing in Australia.

TBF, you can't compare London Heathrow to any airport in Australia. Heathrow is one of the beating hearts of international travel, laws or no laws.

 

[Rajdeep]

I think its a good decision. We all would love to see Wt20 but lets be honest, an ICC event without crowds will be boring. So it would be wise to postpone the event at suitable time when crowds can come in.

As [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] rightly said, its a case of Australia putting more value to human life than just bowing down infront of mighty IPL.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Basically yes.

Australia puts a higher value on preserving human life and containing the virus not just than India but than England too.

We were astounded yesterday when we heard that in one hour last week 10 flights from New York landed at London Heathrow. We have laws against that sort of thing in Australia.

Having witnessed this mindset first hand I second [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] here.

Don't think the Aussies would let go off the WT20 because of the IPL. It's more a case of being passionate for sports and healthy human life equally.

 

[Convict]

Western Australia still isn't even letting people from the rest of Australia enter the state.

There is zero chance of 15 international teams + fans being allowed to enter the country for a world cup and a world cup with no fans is pointless.

 

[chazam]

Quid pro quo happening. T20 wc to be postponed and ipl will happen. Then Indians will tour Australia and stay in a major Australian city CBD with full pomp and play cricket and will not be held as prisoners in Christmas Island

 

[Iqbal'sh]

I think its a good decision. We all would love to see Wt20 but lets be honest, an ICC event without crowds will be boring. So it would be wise to postpone the event at suitable time when crowds can come in.

As [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] rightly said, its a case of Australia putting more value to human life than just bowing down infront of mighty IPL.

Doesn’t the same hold true for the IPL? That also will be behind closed doors - how are they going to manage the foreign players? The event is too long anyway on top of that they will need to pencil in a quarantine period for overseas arrivals

 

[Junaids]

Quid pro quo happening. T20 wc to be postponed and ipl will happen. Then Indians will tour Australia and stay in a major Australian city CBD with full pomp and play cricket and will not be held as prisoners in Christmas Island

You continue to make the same errors you made in the other thread.

You are confusing where a team can stay after quarantine and where it can stay on arrival.

Upon arrival - for infection control reasons - foreign teams given permission to enter Australia are required to land and be accommodated in a remote small town where they must be the sole occupants of their hotel.

After serving two weeks quarantine they can relocate anywhere in that state, including a capital city.

But, like any Australian, if they then travel to Adelaide or Brisbane or Perth they then have to serve ANOTHER two week quarantine period, as [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] explains below.

And “pomp”, really?

This is Australia. Firstly, nobody gets treated with deference. Secondly, cricket is a much less popular sport than AFL or rugby league, whose stadia (AFL) it borrows but cannot fill like AFL can.

Do you think the Adelaide Crows are received with “pomp” in Perth? Do you think the Sydney Roosters are feted when they arrive in Brisbane? (Not that sports teams can travel interstate currently anyway).

Western Australia still isn't even letting people from the rest of Australia enter the state.

There is zero chance of 15 international teams + fans being allowed to enter the country for a world cup and a world cup with no fans is pointless.

I suspect that the World T20 dates will be given up to the IPL.

But what [MENTION=151980]chazam[/MENTION] doesn’t understand is that we are not allowed OUT of Australia and New Zealand currently. And if we somehow exit, we can’t get back in without enforced, supervised quarantine in a hotel.

So if the IPL takes place in October/November the Aussies and Kiwis won’t be there.

And none of this will change until there is a vaccine.

 

[chazam]

You continue to make the same errors you made in the other thread.

You are confusing where a team can stay after quarantine and where it can stay on arrival.

Upon arrival - for infection control reasons - foreign teams given permission to enter Australia are required to land and be accommodated in a remote small town where they must be the sole occupants of their hotel.

After serving two weeks quarantine they can relocate anywhere in that state, including a capital city.

But, like any Australian, if they then travel to Adelaide or Brisbane or Perth they then have to serve ANOTHER two week quarantine period, as [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] explains below.

And “pomp”, really?

This is Australia. Firstly, nobody gets treated with deference. Secondly, cricket is a much less popular sport than AFL or rugby league, whose stadia (AFL) it borrows but cannot fill like AFL can.

Do you think the Adelaide Crows are received with “pomp” in Perth? Do you think the Sydney Roosters are feted when they arrive in Brisbane? (Not that sports teams can travel interstate currently anyway).


I suspect that the World T20 dates will be given up to the IPL.

But what [MENTION=151980]chazam[/MENTION] doesn’t understand is that we are not allowed OUT of Australia and New Zealand currently. And if we somehow exit, we can’t get back in without enforced, supervised quarantine in a hotel.

So if the IPL takes place in October/November the Aussies and Kiwis won’t be there.

And none of this will change until there is a vaccine.

mate i lived and grew up in Australia for past 15 years. I have lived accross multiple Countries Including India and Pakistan as well. I know how Australia works and what are the relations between these governments and boards.
Your insinuations have always been that Indians will be treated like prisoners and made to quarantine on a refugee island. That you also know will never happen.
The point is, when the time comes, the boards will get proper exemptions from the government with much less fuss about what you are creating here.

 

[chazam]

the point that Australia is some special country where "nobody gets treated with deference" is the biggest LOL I must say. The Universities of Australia need foreign students, to survive and make billions of dollars.Most of them from China and India. Property investment is still open and chinese are buying that left,right and center. The current government here always thinks in terms of money to be made.
All the Western Countries are mostly about how to make maximum dollars. The people in sub-continent some how do not understand that.
Hence, that is why I believe, Australian government and board will bend over if they have a chance to make significant cash.

 

[Junaids]

mate i lived and grew up in Australia for past 15 years. I have lived accross multiple Countries Including India and Pakistan as well. I know how Australia works and what are the relations between these governments and boards.
Your insinuations have always been that Indians will be treated like prisoners and made to quarantine on a refugee island. That you also know will never happen.
The point is, when the time comes, the boards will get proper exemptions from the government with much less fuss about what you are creating here.

No no no.

I am not suggesting that the Indians would be treated worse than anyone else.

I’m saying they would get exactly the same treatment in Australia as a foreign sports team as the New Zealand Warriors.

the point that Australia is some special country where "nobody gets treated with deference" is the biggest LOL I must say. The Universities of Australia need foreign students, to survive and make billions of dollars.Most of them from China and India. Property investment is still open and chinese are buying that left,right and center. The current government here always thinks in terms of money to be made.
All the Western Countries are mostly about how to make maximum dollars. The people in sub-continent some how do not understand that.
Hence, that is why I believe, Australian government and board will bend over if they have a chance to make significant cash.

Again, no.

Some of Australia’s universities - not all - have adopted an insanely risky business model in which up to 30% of students are full fee paying overseas students. Others have been more sensible.

Here in Queensland UQ has 30% from overseas and QUT has 4%.

The government has already shown with Virgin Australia that it won’t step in and provide preferential treatment for organisations which have got themselves in trouble by high-risk strategies.

Cricket Australia is in the same boat. They chose not to maintain adequate cash reserves - they even invested their surplus - and now its not the rest of the country’s job to make sacrifices or take risks to bail out a failed company. Cricket Australibus welcome to fail - there would then immediately be an Australian Cricket Board two days later doing the exact same job.

Don’t assume that Australia is like the USA based upon dollars. We are more like the EU: safety and a safety net for the poor are higher priorities.

 

[chazam]

No no no.

I am not suggesting that the Indians would be treated worse than anyone else.

I’m saying they would get exactly the same treatment in Australia as a foreign sports team as the New Zealand Warriors.


Again, no.

Some of Australia’s universities - not all - have adopted an insanely risky business model in which up to 30% of students are full fee paying overseas students. Others have been more sensible.

Here in Queensland UQ has 30% from overseas and QUT has 4%.

The government has already shown with Virgin Australia that it won’t step in and provide preferential treatment for organisations which have got themselves in trouble by high-risk strategies.

Cricket Australia is in the same boat. They chose not to maintain adequate cash reserves - they even invested their surplus - and now its not the rest of the country’s job to make sacrifices or take risks to bail out a failed company. Cricket Australibus welcome to fail - there would then immediately be an Australian Cricket Board two days later doing the exact same job.

Don’t assume that Australia is like the USA based upon dollars. We are more like the EU: safety and a safety net for the poor are higher priorities.

I respectfully disagree.
EU countries have led one of the most bungling response to this pandemic ever.
Also, Australia is called a lucky country for a reason and in the case of pandemic also their dumb luck played a part.
Less chinese tourists because of Bushfires, still they took action late.
But, population is sparsely populated. Its a large land mass with major cities having one of the least population density as compared to rest of the world. That also helped in social distance. So Australia did not do anything special.
In fact, had they acted a bit earlier there would have zero cases.
Australia is one greedy nation, like most of the other western nations except i would say New Zealand. They will bend over backwards whenever there is cash to be made.

 

[Junaids]

I respectfully disagree.
EU countries have led one of the most bungling response to this pandemic ever.
Also, Australia is called a lucky country for a reason and in the case of pandemic also their dumb luck played a part.
Less chinese tourists because of Bushfires, still they took action late.
But, population is sparsely populated. Its a large land mass with major cities having one of the least population density as compared to rest of the world. That also helped in social distance. So Australia did not do anything special.
In fact, had they acted a bit earlier there would have zero cases.
Australia is one greedy nation, like most of the other western nations except i would say New Zealand. They will bend over backwards whenever there is cash to be made.

You are one of the posters here whom I respect the most, but I must respectfully disagree with many of your points.

Australia and New Zealand have lots of empty land which is irrelevant to Coronavirus spread. But we have 84% and 86% respectfully of our populations in towns and cities, which is MORE than the USA or UK.

The differences, the reasons why we did well against the first wave of Coronavirus are the same reasons why any Indian tour will be heavily restricted and why the World T20 won't happen at all.

1. We (Australia and NZ) closed our borders earlier and more absolutely than other countries. Foreigners aren't allowed in.

2. We have universal free healthcare, so testing for the Coronavirus is free and treatment is free. The USA baulks at the cost of free healthcare, because they wouldn't tolerate the very high taxes - I pay 48.5% plus a 10% sales tax on everything - which we all accept.

3. We pay what has to be paid to have universal free high quality healthcare. We literally have a small army of contact tracers who trace every single human contact and every single location visited by every person who tests positive for Coronavirus. Even now, twelve weeks in, almost every case has a clearly identified source of transmission.

4. We pay those very high taxes like Europeans do because:

1) We like the fact that the majority of the population has a permanent or long-term contract. That means they get paid leave, cannot be fired under any circumstances and also have paid sick leave. So they don't go to work when they are sick like in the UK and USA because they are paid to stay at home.
2) Our high tax/high cost economy means that our minimum wage is incredibly high. That's both why we don't have tipping and also why even doctors like me don't have a maid or a cleaner or a gardener. It's way too expensive to afford.
3) We all get 4 or more weeks of paid annual vacation time and 2 or more weeks of paid sick leave, and work anything between a 38 and 40 hour week. If you work on a Saturday your pay is 125-150%, work on Sunday and it's 150-200%.

My pre-tax income is as high as an American doctor, but my post-tax disposable income is as low as a British doctor.

This is a trade-off that we happily make in Australia. A comfortable, secure, safe life without any significant poverty (yes, I know, the Aboriginal people suffer) but in which we sacrifice wealth for comfort.

 

[chazam]

You are one of the posters here whom I respect the most, but I must respectfully disagree with many of your points.

Australia and New Zealand have lots of empty land which is irrelevant to Coronavirus spread. But we have 84% and 86% respectfully of our populations in towns and cities, which is MORE than the USA or UK.

The differences, the reasons why we did well against the first wave of Coronavirus are the same reasons why any Indian tour will be heavily restricted and why the World T20 won't happen at all.

1. We (Australia and NZ) closed our borders earlier and more absolutely than other countries. Foreigners aren't allowed in.

2. We have universal free healthcare, so testing for the Coronavirus is free and treatment is free. The USA baulks at the cost of free healthcare, because they wouldn't tolerate the very high taxes - I pay 48.5% plus a 10% sales tax on everything - which we all accept.

3. We pay what has to be paid to have universal free high quality healthcare. We literally have a small army of contact tracers who trace every single human contact and every single location visited by every person who tests positive for Coronavirus. Even now, twelve weeks in, almost every case has a clearly identified source of transmission.

4. We pay those very high taxes like Europeans do because:

1) We like the fact that the majority of the population has a permanent or long-term contract. That means they get paid leave, cannot be fired under any circumstances and also have paid sick leave. So they don't go to work when they are sick like in the UK and USA because they are paid to stay at home.
2) Our high tax/high cost economy means that our minimum wage is incredibly high. That's both why we don't have tipping and also why even doctors like me don't have a maid or a cleaner or a gardener. It's way too expensive to afford.
3) We all get 4 or more weeks of paid annual vacation time and 2 or more weeks of paid sick leave, and work anything between a 38 and 40 hour week. If you work on a Saturday your pay is 125-150%, work on Sunday and it's 150-200%.

My pre-tax income is as high as an American doctor, but my post-tax disposable income is as low as a British doctor.

This is a trade-off that we happily make in Australia. A comfortable, secure, safe life without any significant poverty (yes, I know, the Aboriginal people suffer) but in which we sacrifice wealth for comfort.

Thanks I agree about the points related to health care and quality of life off course. Australia is a land of plenty for hard working people. I was just pointing out some the things which coalition government could have done better. And about how they got lucky in some things.

 

[chazam]

As i said earlier I think all boards will take practical calls one way or the other to preserve themselves first.
ICC is just an organising body without much powers. Expecting them to be a custodian of cricket would be a joke in todays day and age. Powerful countries will run cricket like they want to without status quo being challenged. Revenue is the key here. Lots of money in cricket now.
So, PCB should also look for self preservation and take steps accordingly. If it means bio-securing a town and playing cricket there, even telecasting Pak A vs Pak B matches so be it.

 

[Junaids]

Thanks I agree about the points related to health care and quality of life off course. Australia is a land of plenty for hard working people. I was just pointing out some the things which coalition government could have done better. And about how they got lucky in some things.

My grandmother carried on living in Pakistan's second city (Dacca) for more than two decades after partition. She was eligible to live in the UK - and my dad had moved there by 1966 - but she was horrified by the idea of not having domestic servants.

I actually think that in many ways the least money-driven countries in the ICC are Australia, England, New Zealand and most of the West Indian nations.

 

[Aman]

Western Australia still isn't even letting people from the rest of Australia enter the state.

There is zero chance of 15 international teams + fans being allowed to enter the country for a world cup and a world cup with no fans is pointless.

It's worse in Aus, in NZ we're almost back to normal and have about 40 cases left in the entire country. We've had 2 confirmed cases from existing clusters in the past 5-6 days, one of which had it weeks ago and has already recovered. Effectively one case in 5/6 days. If WA is still struggling in a few months time they can use NZ as a host, there should be a trans-tasman bubble up soon and a WT20 would be hell of a lot safer than holding the IPL.

 

[Aman]

As i said earlier I think all boards will take practical calls one way or the other to preserve themselves first.
ICC is just an organising body without much powers. Expecting them to be a custodian of cricket would be a joke in todays day and age. Powerful countries will run cricket like they want to without status quo being challenged. Revenue is the key here. Lots of money in cricket now.
So, PCB should also look for self preservation and take steps accordingly. If it means bio-securing a town and playing cricket there, even telecasting Pak A vs Pak B matches so be it.

Football has already resumed in Germany with Spain, England and Italy looking likely to follow next month and those countries have it far worse than Aus.

 

[Aman]

I think its a good decision. We all would love to see Wt20 but lets be honest, an ICC event without crowds will be boring. So it would be wise to postpone the event at suitable time when crowds can come in.

As [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] rightly said, its a case of Australia putting more value to human life than just bowing down infront of mighty IPL.

Hate to break it to you, nobody but Indians care about IPL.

 

[Aman]

My thoughts exactly, it's all smoke and mirrors in order to get the IPL up and running in a few months.

Sounds like India wants the IPL season to go ahead at the expense of the WT20. Aus bending the knee to ensure they get their $$$ in December.

Anything else sounds like **, if IPL can be held why can't the WT20 in October when Australia are already planning to resume the NRL and AFL seasons soon

Didn't know CA were so spineless, India's *******.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Australians are doing the right thing. Safety of people comes first. Indians on the other hand gives preference to money over human lives.

Anyway organising circus twice within a span of 6 months shows the priority of our board.

 

[Indiafan]

Basically yes.

Australia puts a higher value on preserving human life and containing the virus not just than India but than England too.

We were astounded yesterday when we heard that in one hour last week 10 flights from New York landed at London Heathrow. We have laws against that sort of thing in Australia.

And what is thus based on? Absolute insecurity mascarsding as facts?

See you are intelligent and educated enough to understand the difference between Heathrow and Australian airport. But when you have to drive agenda I guess common sense stops working

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hate to break it to you, nobody but Indians care about IPL.

That can't be true.

 

[Indiafan]

Australians are doing the right thing. Safety of people comes first. Indians on the other hand gives preference to money over human lives.

Anyway organising circus twice within a span of 6 months shows the priority of our board.

And what is this based on? What are the facts except your own self loathing?

Everyone understands the dates will be tentative and based on the actual situation. Dont you find it tiring g when reality keeps shattering your self loathing delusions every single time?

 

[Junaids]

And what is thus based on? Absolute insecurity mascarsding as facts?

See you are intelligent and educated enough to understand the difference between Heathrow and Australian airport. But when you have to drive agenda I guess common sense stops working

I’m obviously NOT intelligent enough, because I see no difference between Heathrow and Sydney as two major world airports.

The UK is still allowing over 2000 people per day to fly in from New York, which means at least 400 new cases being seeded in Britain daily.

There is no cure and no vaccine. Australia and New Zealand have controlled the spread by closing the borders. Whereas the UK doesn’t even bother and accepts mass deaths.

I’d rather live with closed borders until there’s a vaccine or a treatment. If that means no international cricket, that’s fine.

 

[Indiafan]

Hate to break it to you, nobody but Indians care about IPL.

Then why are multiple boarde thinking about IPL windows for their players before their own team matches? You might really really want this to be true but all the various board's actions show the opposite reality. Now people can keep repeating their wishful thinking and go on echo chambers on forums but the ground reality will be decided based in facts and not what people wish online

 

[Indiafan]

I’m obviously NOT intelligent enough, because I see no difference between Heathrow and Sydney as two major world airports.

The UK is still allowing over 2000 people per day to fly in from New York, which means at least 400 new cases being seeded in Britain daily.

There is no cure and no vaccine. Australia and New Zealand have controlled the spread by closing the borders. Whereas the UK doesn’t even bother and accepts mass deaths.

I’d rather live with closed borders until there’s a vaccine or a treatment. If that means no international cricket, that’s fine.

London, particularly Heathrow is the center of the civilized world and most flights ar routed from and there. come you surely know and understand this so why the pretence?

And as a mature adult you also know shutting off all business will cause much more starvation and death than coronovirus wave could

I think you understand this completely and are just arguing I'm bad faith

 

[Aman]

Then why are multiple boarde thinking about IPL windows for their players before their own team matches? You might really really want this to be true but all the various board's actions show the opposite reality. Now people can keep repeating their wishful thinking and go on echo chambers on forums but the ground reality will be decided based in facts and not what people wish online

$$$ and future opportunities of lucrative Indians tours by supporting India in getting an IPL window.

Most kiwi cricket fans do not watch the IPL and would rather see their country play.

 

[chazam]

$$$ and future opportunities of lucrative Indians tours by supporting India in getting an IPL window.

Most kiwi cricket fans do not watch the IPL and would rather see their country play.

So you speak for all 5 million ppl

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And what is this based on? What are the facts except your own self loathing?

Everyone understands the dates will be tentative and based on the actual situation. Dont you find it tiring g when reality keeps shattering your self loathing delusions every single time?

Are you talking to me?

 

[Convict]

It's worse in Aus, in NZ we're almost back to normal and have about 40 cases left in the entire country. We've had 2 confirmed cases from existing clusters in the past 5-6 days, one of which had it weeks ago and has already recovered. Effectively one case in 5/6 days. If WA is still struggling in a few months time they can use NZ as a host, there should be a trans-tasman bubble up soon and a WT20 would be hell of a lot safer than holding the IPL.

WA has less cases per capita than New Zealand.

And didn't have to destroy our economy for that result./

 

[Aman]

WA has less cases per capita than New Zealand.

And didn't have to destroy our economy for that result./

We've saved thousands of lives and are out of lockdown while Aus supposedly can't host an international tournament that is still 6 months away?

 

[Aman]

So you speak for all 5 million ppl

What part of most did you not get?

IPL gets terrible ratings here because of the time zones and lack of NZ players, the following is basically non existent.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

$$$ and future opportunities of lucrative Indians tours by supporting India in getting an IPL window.

Most kiwi cricket fans do not watch the IPL and would rather see their country play.

I won't blame them. You can't expect a New Zealand fan to wake up at 2:30 am just to watch mickey mouse cricket.

 

[Aman]

This thread is rather funny, just came across an interview with Jimmy Neesham who said he would rather play the WT20 now without fans rather than postpone it because the boards need the money but here they're catering to India and the IPL.

Some fans are talking about practical but are only being practical for one board. Most cricket boards need the money from the tournament and I imagine would rather proceed without fans than postpone it to god knows when.

 

[Mueez]

Nah man, they cannot replace the WT20 with IPL this year.

Since when has IPL become more important than World Cup?

 

[Junaids]

We've saved thousands of lives and are out of lockdown while Aus supposedly can't host an international tournament that is still 6 months away?

Australia and New Zealand currently have similar low numbers, but we have slightly different targets.

Both countries accept that foreigners cannot enter until there’s a vaccine.

But New Zealand has gone for a total lockdown to achieve absolute eradication, so that then the domestic market can open up completely.

Australia has arrived at virtually the same point, but is aiming only at suppressing outbreaks, not eliminating the virus.

So, for example, schools and bars and restaurants are reopening even though there are still some new cases. WA and SA and Queensland virtually have achieved eradication but NSW and Victoria have not, and are reopening anyway.

This may make the Trans-Tasman travel bubble happen later than hoped.

 

[Junaids]

London, particularly Heathrow is the center of the civilized world and most flights ar routed from and there. come you surely know and understand this so why the pretence?

And as a mature adult you also know shutting off all business will cause much more starvation and death than coronovirus wave could

I think you understand this completely and are just arguing I'm bad faith

I fly a lot - over 100 flights in any normal year.

The first job of a government is to keep the people safe. Like in wartime, ALL travel just needs to stop until there is a vaccine.

There is NOTHING that requires passenger travel between London and New York now any more than in wartime. We have Zoom and Teams and Skype, and freight can be transported separately. And much of Heathrow’s travel is non-essential hub travel to elsewhere in Europe beyond the UK.

Failing to prohibit travel has cost the UK nearly 50,000 lives if you include out-of-hospital deaths.

For all of our wealthy countries, we can keep most of the economy functioning even in a lockdown. Freight can be safely exported and services don’t require risky travel.

 

[par]

This thread is rather funny, just came across an interview with Jimmy Neesham who said he would rather play the WT20 now without fans rather than postpone it because the boards need the money but here they're catering to India and the IPL.

Some fans are talking about practical but are only being practical for one board. Most cricket boards need the money from the tournament and I imagine would rather proceed without fans than postpone it to god knows when.

No board is catering to the IPL here. Australia is reluctant to host WT20, because of the logistics involved in hosting multi nation tournament. They want to postpone it to another time.

And BCCI sees an opportunity here and willing to host the IPL at that time frame, because all of the teams are going to be free at that time. Of course BCCI is hoping that the covid situation in India will be improved by then. They reckon the IPL can be staged, if they plan it in just two or three cities.

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Nah man, they cannot replace the WT20 with IPL this year.

Since when has IPL become more important than World Cup?

When it comes to T20 cricket - the two are very comparable.

T20 is mainly a franchise based game.

 

[Convict]

We've saved thousands of lives and are out of lockdown while Aus supposedly can't host an international tournament that is still 6 months away?

It the borders that matter not the lockdown.

 

[Rajdeep]

Hate to break it to you, nobody but Indians care about IPL.

Brendon McCullum Suggests Postponement Of T20 World Cup To 2021 With IPL Taking Its Slot

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/bre...-cup-to-2021-with-ipl-taking-its-slot-2216534

Not that it matters as Indians will watch IPL as long Indian players play.

 

[Aman]

It the borders that matter not the lockdown.

The Warriors got an exemption to travel to Aus for the NRL.

Hard to see other teams not getting it for a tournament that is 6 months away, Aus will probably have eliminated the virus then and can manage the risk by having teams go into a 2 week quarantine before the tournament starts.

 

[Aman]

Brendon McCullum Suggests Postponement Of T20 World Cup To 2021 With IPL Taking Its Slot

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/bre...-cup-to-2021-with-ipl-taking-its-slot-2216534

Not that it matters as Indians will watch IPL as long Indian players play.

Misleading title.

"For Australia to move 16 international teams plus all of their support staff and then broadcasters, seems a bridge too far. I can't see them playing the T20 World Cup behind closed doors either,"

He goes on about ticket revenue when there's nothing to suggest sports will have fans at games next year. It's only going to mess up the schedule and it is more impractical to have 2 T20 WCs in the same year like he's suggesting and then there's the Test Championship and the womens world cup to cause for scheduling problems.

If you postpone this WC, the chances are it will most likely be cancelled and Aus will probably end up being given hosting rights to one later down the line.

Basically their whole argument is they're missing out on ticket revenue something which isn't guaranteed to be there next year and are risking forgoing all revenue from the TV rights deal for the tournament, so boards will take a huge financial hit and will not have the funds to pay their staff and players.

 

[Rana]

One thing the English government has done is demand the FA to make significant contributions to grassroots level football in the country if they wish to resume the premiership this year.

Let’s say that the ICC does reluctantly decide to stand down its event because the Indians are right up their backside to host the IPL, what do they demand? Surely there has to be a universal contribution by BCCI benefiting all other boards and grassroots level Cricket. This is my dispute to all of this, IPL isn’t a universal event and clearly has a discriminatory element to it. Hence I hope that the ICC does not resign to it and would still host their flagship event (even in Dubai if that’s what needs to be done)

 

[Rana]

If India is so happy to host cricket during that window, maybe India should host the WT20 during this year instead of next year, and Australia can host it next year the way they feel it would be safe.

 

[Aman]

If India is so happy to host cricket during that window, maybe India should host the WT20 during this year instead of next year, and Australia can host it next year the way they feel it would be safe.

That isn't happening. India is most likely generating far more money from the IPL so they are fine with the WT20 giving way for the IPL.

Mark my words, if they postpone it, the event will be cancelled. It's just not possible to postpone it with the backlog they have, this WT20 WC will have to give way. Aus will be given rights to a future WT20.

 

[Rana]

That isn't happening. India is most likely generating far more money from the IPL so they are fine with the WT20 giving way for the IPL.

Mark my words, if they postpone it, the event will be cancelled. It's just not possible to postpone it with the backlog they have, this WT20 WC will have to give way. Aus will be given rights to a future WT20.

Well India are clearly showing their hand and ICC needs to think about its own pocket rather than BCCI. It’s a win win situation for ICC, they can kill two birds with one stone by swapping the hosting rights of Australia and India for the two T20WCs taking place back to back.

India can also host a reduced version of the IPL during this gap, don’t see anything wrong with it.

 

[Aman]

Well India are clearly showing their hand and ICC needs to think about its own pocket rather than BCCI. It’s a win win situation for ICC, they can kill two birds with one stone by swapping the hosting rights of Australia and India for the two T20WCs taking place back to back.

India can also host a reduced version of the IPL during this gap, don’t see anything wrong with it.

Yeah, it does seem fair.

If India want IPL, Aus should host the next one and India get hosting rights for a future WT20.

People saying postpone don't realize that postponing most likely means cancellation. There's still a womens T20, another WT20 and Test championship to think about.

 

[MenInG]

Former Australia captain Mark Taylor feels the likely postponement of the T20 World Cup - to be held in Australia from October 18 to November 15 - amid the Covid-19 pandemic could pave way for the IPL season which has currently been deferred indefinitely.

“I think that’s the most likely scenario (postponement of T20 World Cup) because 15 teams planning to come to Australia between October and November, 45 matches over a proposed seven venues, national travel is going to be extremely difficult in the world we are living in,” Taylor told Channel Nine Sports.

“14 days of isolation before that makes it even harder. More than likely that event is not going ahead. So if the ICC decides to postpone the event that will open the door for the BCCI to say that 'we will have our IPL in India' which puts the onus back on individuals rather than nations moving whole teams over to a certain country.”

Taylor said if the IPL is favoured over T20 World Cup, it opens up negotiation opportunities for Cricket Australia with BCCI for the already-planned series Down Under.

“So that is certainly a possibility or probability. Cricket Australia will obviously want the T20 World Cup but at the same time will be working hard with India that if their players go there for IPL, they will want India to come to Australia for our summer of cricket next year,” Taylor said.

“Cricket in a way is fortunate with the timing. They have now got some time to do some planning. I do not doubt that CA will now be thinking about IPL and not T20 World Cup. They want India in this country. That’s what they want and they are already talking about Adelaide Oval as a hub.”

Asked if it’s feasible to host the entire series in one venue, he said: “I think it is... if you have to pick one state you probably pick Adelaide. They have got a hotel attached to the ground.”

The Indian cricket team is scheduled to tour Australia from October 2020 to January 2021 for four Tests, three ODIs and as many T20Is.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...ket-australia-mark-taylor/article31606268.ece

 

[Aman]

Former Australia captain Mark Taylor feels the likely postponement of the T20 World Cup - to be held in Australia from October 18 to November 15 - amid the Covid-19 pandemic could pave way for the IPL season which has currently been deferred indefinitely.

“I think that’s the most likely scenario (postponement of T20 World Cup) because 15 teams planning to come to Australia between October and November, 45 matches over a proposed seven venues, national travel is going to be extremely difficult in the world we are living in,” Taylor told Channel Nine Sports.

“14 days of isolation before that makes it even harder. More than likely that event is not going ahead. So if the ICC decides to postpone the event that will open the door for the BCCI to say that 'we will have our IPL in India' which puts the onus back on individuals rather than nations moving whole teams over to a certain country.”

Taylor said if the IPL is favoured over T20 World Cup, it opens up negotiation opportunities for Cricket Australia with BCCI for the already-planned series Down Under.

“So that is certainly a possibility or probability. Cricket Australia will obviously want the T20 World Cup but at the same time will be working hard with India that if their players go there for IPL, they will want India to come to Australia for our summer of cricket next year,” Taylor said.

“Cricket in a way is fortunate with the timing. They have now got some time to do some planning. I do not doubt that CA will now be thinking about IPL and not T20 World Cup. They want India in this country. That’s what they want and they are already talking about Adelaide Oval as a hub.”

Asked if it’s feasible to host the entire series in one venue, he said: “I think it is... if you have to pick one state you probably pick Adelaide. They have got a hotel attached to the ground.”

The Indian cricket team is scheduled to tour Australia from October 2020 to January 2021 for four Tests, three ODIs and as many T20Is.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...ket-australia-mark-taylor/article31606268.ece

LOL, alluding to what we all knew.

Using an international tournament as a bargaining chip to get India over for a tour.

Didn't know CA were that pathetic. I hope their plans fall apart for screwing other boards over who were counting on the WT20 going ahead.

 

[Aman]

There are countries who are in far worse off positions than Aus who will be resuming sports within the next few weeks while still seeing thousands of new cases and deaths each day. But Aus with their 20 cases per day 6 months out cannot host a world tournament.

This screams ** pushed by CA and BCCI to ensure their big money tickets go ahead at the expense of everyone else.

If CA really wanted to they could host the WT20. Just look at the lengths the bloody NRL has gone to resume the season in MAY.

 

[Aman]

Every day I'm reading of different things other sports are doing to keep their events running or to running again (quarantine, fight island, weekly testing, empty arena/stadiums, shortened seasons/play offs).

Here CA are scrapping world tournaments months ahead of time because its not as lucrative for them as an Indian tour.

 

[IMMY69]

What was that saying??
“No cricket will be played this year. They were right when they said 2020 will destroy cricket.”

 

[U$ofA]

You are one of the posters here whom I respect the most, but I must respectfully disagree with many of your points.

Australia and New Zealand have lots of empty land which is irrelevant to Coronavirus spread. But we have 84% and 86% respectfully of our populations in towns and cities, which is MORE than the USA or UK.

The differences, the reasons why we did well against the first wave of Coronavirus are the same reasons why any Indian tour will be heavily restricted and why the World T20 won't happen at all.

1. We (Australia and NZ) closed our borders earlier and more absolutely than other countries. Foreigners aren't allowed in.

2. We have universal free healthcare, so testing for the Coronavirus is free and treatment is free. The USA baulks at the cost of free healthcare, because they wouldn't tolerate the very high taxes - I pay 48.5% plus a 10% sales tax on everything - which we all accept.

3. We pay what has to be paid to have universal free high quality healthcare. We literally have a small army of contact tracers who trace every single human contact and every single location visited by every person who tests positive for Coronavirus. Even now, twelve weeks in, almost every case has a clearly identified source of transmission.

4. We pay those very high taxes like Europeans do because:

1) We like the fact that the majority of the population has a permanent or long-term contract. That means they get paid leave, cannot be fired under any circumstances and also have paid sick leave. So they don't go to work when they are sick like in the UK and USA because they are paid to stay at home.
2) Our high tax/high cost economy means that our minimum wage is incredibly high. That's both why we don't have tipping and also why even doctors like me don't have a maid or a cleaner or a gardener. It's way too expensive to afford.
3) We all get 4 or more weeks of paid annual vacation time and 2 or more weeks of paid sick leave, and work anything between a 38 and 40 hour week. If you work on a Saturday your pay is 125-150%, work on Sunday and it's 150-200%.

My pre-tax income is as high as an American doctor, but my post-tax disposable income is as low as a British doctor.

This is a trade-off that we happily make in Australia. A comfortable, secure, safe life without any significant poverty (yes, I know, the Aboriginal people suffer) but in which we sacrifice wealth for comfort.

Very eye opening post. In total contrast to us Americans. Especially #2, #3 and #4.

I would not like to fork over almost 50% of my income. Though there are states here where people end up paying more the 50% when you add federal, state and local income taxes.

In #3 you say you pay taxes for free healthcare. How is it free if you pay for it?

If an employee has a permanent job and cannot be fired, how does it motivate one to work hard give it their best? There will be a good chunk of them who will just not bother. How does an employer/business deal with this if such employees cannot be replaced? I am sure this has an impact on productivity and innovation.

Is the sick time off unlimited number of days?

I have a tough time believing that everyone is Aus. is happily paying the high taxes. I am there are people who do not like this. Just like in the US, there are people who don't like high taxes and others who advocate for more taxes. Just human nature.

 

[U$ofA]

One thing the English government has done is demand the FA to make significant contributions to grassroots level football in the country if they wish to resume the premiership this year.

Let’s say that the ICC does reluctantly decide to stand down its event because the Indians are right up their backside to host the IPL, what do they demand? Surely there has to be a universal contribution by BCCI benefiting all other boards and grassroots level Cricket. This is my dispute to all of this, IPL isn’t a universal event and clearly has a discriminatory element to it. Hence I hope that the ICC does not resign to it and would still host their flagship event (even in Dubai if that’s what needs to be done)

I guess the ICC needs BCCI and Star Sports to rake in the $$$. So any decision they make will have to be as per convenience of the BCCI. On the other hand BCCI does not need ICC to run IPL and rake in bigger $$$ than an ICC event.

 

[U$ofA]

Every day I'm reading of different things other sports are doing to keep their events running or to running again (quarantine, fight island, weekly testing, empty arena/stadiums, shortened seasons/play offs).

Here CA are scrapping world tournaments months ahead of time because its not as lucrative for them as an Indian tour.

The amount of A** kissing of BCCI going on by CA is unbelievable. Not that it surprises me. CA is just being greedy and selfish or should I say...realistic/living in the real world. Of course the most of the other boards are going to start lining up outside BCCI offices soon so they can do the same thing.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Hate to break it to you, nobody but Indians care about IPL.

Hate to break it to you, if India ain’t going to WT20 then it ain’t happening at all.

 

[Titan24]

So what about World T20 2021 which was supposed to happen in India? Is it not taking place anymore or will it be moved to 2022? and then there will be 3 consecutive ICC tournuments (2021, 2022 and 2023) upto World cup 2023 which can probably diminish some value of the tournuments.

 

[Convict]

What is the point of a world cup if fans cannot attend?

 

[CanadianG00se]

LOL, alluding to what we all knew.

Using an international tournament as a bargaining chip to get India over for a tour.

Didn't know CA were that pathetic. I hope their plans fall apart for screwing other boards over who were counting on the WT20 going ahead.

Regardless of IPL goes ahead or not chances of WT20 happening is slim to none. M. Taylor already mentioned that it is not practical to have 15 teams in Australia for 45 days during this pandemic. BCCI is only using that vacate window for IPL(even that is unlikely in current scenario). I have been saying that cricket shouldn’t take precedence over individual safety. Both IPL and WT20 without fans will be boring and dull( I wouldn’t watch either without any fans).

 

[CanadianG00se]

So what about World T20 2021 which was supposed to happen in India? Is it not taking place anymore or will it be moved to 2022? and then there will be 3 consecutive ICC tournuments (2021, 2022 and 2023) upto World cup 2023 which can probably diminish some value of the tournuments.

Next WT20 is happening in October-November of next year. Chances of that happening is high as we might have a vaccine by then. If we don’t have a vaccine then we might be in same dilemma.

 

[Titan24]

Next WT20 is happening in October-November of next year. Chances of that happening is high as we might have a vaccine by then. If we don’t have a vaccine then we might be in same dilemma.

But, World T20 2020 which was supposed to happen in Aus is not being cancelled just being postponed so its gonna happen eventually and you cant have 2 World T20s in year 2021.

 

[Titan24]

IPL is a domestic league which can happen without crowd and even probably without foreign players if necessary irrespective of the feel but world tournament without crowd would have been pretty odd so maybe it makes sense.

Still this is gonna create a lot of scheduling problems for ICC and probably fear of diminishing values of its 3 tournaments which are to take place in next 3 years.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Well India are clearly showing their hand and ICC needs to think about its own pocket rather than BCCI. It’s a win win situation for ICC, they can kill two birds with one stone by swapping the hosting rights of Australia and India for the two T20WCs taking place back to back.

India can also host a reduced version of the IPL during this gap, don’t see anything wrong with it.

The real question is what exactly can ICC do? If say Australian Govt isn’t allowing so many teams to visit, what can ICC do then?
Change host and the last minute? Who will be the replacement? Will that host country allow so many teams?

Be practical, we need to first try out few bi-lateral series and see how it goes and then think of hosting a World Cup. In my opinion,
World Cup without fans is pointless.

 

[CanadianG00se]

$$$ and future opportunities of lucrative Indians tours by supporting India in getting an IPL window.

Most kiwi cricket fans do not watch the IPL and would rather see their country play.

IPL or BCCI don’t give a flying toss if Kiwis or any other country’s fan watches IPL or not. It is meant for Indians which is their market for $$

 

[CanadianG00se]

But, World T20 2020 which was supposed to happen in Aus is not being cancelled just being postponed so its gonna happen eventually and you cant have 2 World T20s in year 2021.

If this WT20 is postponed then basically it is cancelled, there is no two ways about it. You have to check next years calendar and see how packed it is. Let’s say Australia gets to host next years WT20, I just don’t see how they can have another one in same year.

Like how IPL is indefinitely postponed, which maybe cancelled if it doesn’t happen during October-November. Similarly, ICC WT20 maybe cancelled( we had scheduled two in two years anyway)

 

[CanadianG00se]

If India is so happy to host cricket during that window, maybe India should host the WT20 during this year instead of next year, and Australia can host it next year the way they feel it would be safe.

Umm no, I’m sure Indian Govt won’t allow so many fans and teams to visit India. Even IPL seems unlikely as cases in India are on the rise. Plus, why would BCCI agree to host WT20 and make only $60M, where as they could host IPL and make $500+M?

At the end of the day, it’s all about money.

 

[U$ofA]

IPL is a domestic league which can happen without crowd and even probably without foreign players if necessary irrespective of the feel but world tournament without crowd would have been pretty odd so maybe it makes sense.

Still this is gonna create a lot of scheduling problems for ICC and probably fear of diminishing values of its 3 tournaments which are to take place in next 3 years.

Not sure if IPL without crowd will work. This is not English county cricket where the retired guy shows up for some sleep because there is less noise in the ground than his house.

 

[Rana]

Umm no, I’m sure Indian Govt won’t allow so many fans and teams to visit India. Even IPL seems unlikely as cases in India are on the rise. Plus, why would BCCI agree to host WT20 and make only $60M, where as they could host IPL and make $500+M?

At the end of the day, it’s all about money.

So clearly cricket can happen in India as long as it’s IPL and not World T20?

 

[CanadianG00se]

So clearly cricket can happen in India as long as it’s IPL and not World T20?

Yes. Why would India want to risk having 15 teams, which is roughly 200ish foreign players arriving in India? IPL will have roughly 45-50 Intl players, not to mentions for WT20, there will be fans from various countries wanting to visit India. On the other hand fans won’t be flocking from overseas to watch IPL.
As I said, even IPL seems unlikely in current scenario. But if BCCI is given an option to host WT20 or IPL, then I can bet my bottom dollar that they will go ahead with IPL. It’s no brainer to lose $500M.

 

[Hasan123]

Resuming bilateral cricket should be the most important thing for now. It will give cricket a chance to adapt to the new way of things being done.

IPLs and World tournaments can wait.