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Reports - Babar Azam set to take over captaincy in all formats

From a captaincy perspective that defeat against England this year was a shocker.

In fact it was a shambles of the highest order and I know Wasim Khan was not impressed at all.

There was simply no way Pakistan should have lost that match.

There are reports that IK ordered his removal
 
He definitely needs to go as captain but why has it taken so long to sack him? Why did they not replace him a couple of weeks after the England tour? Clearly someone wanted Azhar to stay as captain.
 
While the captaincy was not great and certainly blame in large part for 1st test defeat should go to captain, I'm not 100% convinced we have a better replacement ready... Babar is a great player but he hasn't had enough captaincy experience and so far he has mainly had easier games to captain. I don't know how he would perform in pressure situations. Imagine if Babar was captain in first test, do you expect him to do a lot of different things? He comes across as a more straightforward approach type of person, not sure if he is one that could come up with out of the box ideas, be lot aggressive, push his team, inspire his team and whether you like it or not, sometimes you need that kind of person to really push the team along (not saying to bring back Sarfraz but just highlighting/comparing a quality)...

I am thinking we should give Azhar one last tour both as captain and player, after all he scored century in last innings so he isn't getting dropped anyway. let Babar be vice captain in test and also see how he captains in odi/t20 for few more months. also, if KK make Babar captain, that would add to the experience and sometimes even in t20 you have to deal with pressure situations and do some out of box thinking, use of resources, etc. after that we can decide to promote him to test captain.

An alternative would be Shan Masood but he hasn't had 100% solid results and if NZ tour goes poor for him people will start calling that a huge mistake and put even more pressure on him.

No other alternative is there in current line-up. Rizwan could be long-term option but he just came to test team and generally keepers being captain doesnt bode well for us. Would rather he keep really well and keep scoring runs as well.
 
From a captaincy perspective that defeat against England this year was a shocker.

In fact it was a shambles of the highest order and I know Wasim Khan was not impressed at all.

There was simply no way Pakistan should have lost that match.

Both the captain and team management should have been taken to task and asked some grilling questions after that defeat i.e. why no bouncers to Woakes when all his previous dismissals showed he was having problems against the short pitched stuff. What is Waqar being paid to do exactly?
 
Both the captain and team management should have been taken to task and asked some grilling questions after that defeat i.e. why no bouncers to Woakes when all his previous dismissals showed he was having problems against the short pitched stuff. What is Waqar being paid to do exactly?

Waqar will always be safe hes a fan favourite
 
Babar is a meek, timid individual in the mould of his predecessors in Azhar and Misbah.

Rizwan is the only other one who is captaincy material and has a guaranteed spot in the side. It's the right way to go IMO.
 
New reports suggesting that Azhar Ali could lose his captaincy to Mohammad Rizwan!

Wise move?

No - it’s not a good call to burden your WK, who now plays a n three formats and among better batsmen of your team.

It’ll be some of a turn around though - I think, I was among few who tried to save his debut Test in n NZ where he scored a 0 & 9 I believe. It’s NZ again and this time I’m telling Captain Rizwan in NZ won’t bring anything good for PAK. He is WK & no. 6 batsman, let him stay like that.
 
Yep. Williamson also become captain in 2016 at age 25. Smith in 2015. Root in 2017. All at age 25-26. Babar can mold the team and shape it hopefully like how Kohli and Williamson did. (Not the Root way though haha.)

Babar isnt a natural leader. It was pretty obvious when he waa captaining.

Not every great player can be a great leader. He needs time to mature. Shaan for 2 years then babar can take over for a decade.
 
Babar isnt a natural leader. It was pretty obvious when he waa captaining.

Not every great player can be a great leader. He needs time to mature. Shaan for 2 years then babar can take over for a decade.

Root isn't a natural leader. He's often the quietest and most passive person on the field

Kohli isn't a natural leader. He was always barking at people and making a fool of himself, he's only just calmed down a bit.

What even is 'natural leader'? Having an MBA and proficiency of the English language?

As for Shan, he is a mediocre batsmen. In England he has a fluky hundred, then couldn't get past 20 in the next four innings. Averages 31 after 40+ innings - his long term position in the team is uncertain
 
Root isn't a natural leader. He's often the quietest and most passive person on the field

Kohli isn't a natural leader. He was always barking at people and making a fool of himself, he's only just calmed down a bit.

What even is 'natural leader'? Having an MBA and proficiency of the English language?

As for Shan, he is a mediocre batsmen. In England he has a fluky hundred, then couldn't get past 20 in the next four innings. Averages 31 after 40+ innings - his long term position in the team is uncertain

I agree Root isn’t a natural leader - I do not consider him particularly successful as captain either, but he gets the job done because he is tactically proficient.

Babar would be very much like Root as a leader, assuming Babar is tactically intelligent. That is a big assumption. But even then, he would be like Root. Now let me tell you - Root doesn’t inspire his players or get the extra mile out of them beyond their current capabilities, the way Kohli might. And arguably, he doesn’t need to, the English system is strong enough to continue producing cricketers who are independent.

In Pakistan cricket, it is a very different story. Cases of underachieved potential, captains who the team considers weak, and bashing by the media require a strong-willed captain who takes ownership of the team as their own, stands up to criticism, and assumes a dictatorial personality. Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Misbah ul Haq, the common factor across these individuals was a strong will and a very clear vision of what they want from the team.

Babar would be more similar to Inzamam-ul-Haq- resting on his batting laurels and a quite decent captain but unable to elevate the side to that next level.

That’s why a strong personality is needed.
 
I agree Root isn’t a natural leader - I do not consider him particularly successful as captain either, but he gets the job done because he is tactically proficient.

Babar would be very much like Root as a leader, assuming Babar is tactically intelligent. That is a big assumption. But even then, he would be like Root. Now let me tell you - Root doesn’t inspire his players or get the extra mile out of them beyond their current capabilities, the way Kohli might. And arguably, he doesn’t need to, the English system is strong enough to continue producing cricketers who are independent.

In Pakistan cricket, it is a very different story. Cases of underachieved potential, captains who the team considers weak, and bashing by the media require a strong-willed captain who takes ownership of the team as their own, stands up to criticism, and assumes a dictatorial personality. Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Misbah ul Haq, the common factor across these individuals was a strong will and a very clear vision of what they want from the team.

Babar would be more similar to Inzamam-ul-Haq- resting on his batting laurels and a quite decent captain but unable to elevate the side to that next level.

That’s why a strong personality is needed.

Agree with everything you've said. But there is no strong personality in PCT. Shan or Rizwan have done nothing to show that they would be strong captains (like Imran, Wasim). Hafeez, Wahab, Rauf, Shadab are probably the strongest players mentally right now - none of them are good enough for Test cricket

What makes Babar the best candidate is that he is by far the best cricketer in Pakistan, and the only world class player in any of the formats. Performance is one of the ingredients needed to develop confidence, so Babar at least has a chance to develop into a strong leader someday.
 
Agree with everything you've said. But there is no strong personality in PCT. Shan or Rizwan have done nothing to show that they would be strong captains (like Imran, Wasim). Hafeez, Wahab, Rauf, Shadab are probably the strongest players mentally right now - none of them are good enough for Test cricket

What makes Babar the best candidate is that he is by far the best cricketer in Pakistan, and the only world class player in any of the formats. Performance is one of the ingredients needed to develop confidence, so Babar at least has a chance to develop into a strong leader someday.

I don’t know of many cases where someone as introverted as Babar turns it around to become a charismatic strong leader - the closest is Imran Khan who was far more social even in his shier days.

Don’t get me wrong, Babar will get the job done but it won’t be anything exceptional, the way we consider leaders like Imran, Wasim, Dada, Dhoni, Kohli, or Ponting.

I have no guarantee about Rizwan, you are right, but I also have no guarantee about Babar and it comes down to who is relatively more likely to develop into a good leader and from a psychological profiling perspective it is Rizwan by a standing mile. Shan comes on top of the list as well with his confidence and intelligence, but he does not have a guaranteed place for 4 years, which is my benchmark.

I am telling you right now - if Babar is appointed test captain right now, he will be kicked out after a SENA defeat 2 years from now. Trust me. I don’t want to potentially damage the confidence of our best batsman in a decade like that.

The succession plan should be to give Rizwan the reigns for the next 4 years, or so. And groom a successor in the meanwhile.
 
It’s quite embarrassing when other countries look at Pakistan and see us chopping and changing captains every 1-2 years. Aakash Chopra was invited as a guest on Ramiz’s show and he asked the question - Ramiz started laughing out of embarrassment.

You simply cannot develop players in a team if there are 4-5 ex-captains within the squad.

Nor can you develop a vision if there are 4 dogs pulling the metaphorical bone in different directions every year. There needs to be consistency, in selection and brand of cricket. A calm head at the helm who is performing (in Rizwan’s case, with the gloves, and runs are a bonus).

I hope we do not make the mistake of giving Babar captaincy in 3 formats.
 
Root isn't a natural leader. He's often the quietest and most passive person on the field

Kohli isn't a natural leader. He was always barking at people and making a fool of himself, he's only just calmed down a bit.

What even is 'natural leader'? Having an MBA and proficiency of the English language?

As for Shan, he is a mediocre batsmen. In England he has a fluky hundred, then couldn't get past 20 in the next four innings. Averages 31 after 40+ innings - his long term position in the team is uncertain

Root is not even a good captain, no a good example.

People follow kholi, he is a natural leader, he is a winner and a mamba.

Babar is not a winner and nowhere close to being a mamba at the moment hes a beta not an alpha.

Root is a beta too, look at his batting stats he clearly can not handle the pressure of being the best player and being the captain.

Babar needs atleast 2 more years to mature hes still a kid, also he has zero social charisma, im hoping these extra 2 years as a senior in the team will allow him to open up.
 
PCB should retain him as captain for NZ. If he fail which we all know, he needs to be dropped along with his buddy Shafiq, useless coach Misbah and good for nothing Waqar.
 
PCB should retain him as captain for NZ. If he fail which we all know, he needs to be dropped along with his buddy Shafiq, useless coach Misbah and good for nothing Waqar.

In your opinion, who should replace test captain, coach and bowling coach after New Zealand tour?.
 
Babar should never even be a contender to be the captain in any format.
He has the polar opposite personality of what is required to be a good leader and communicator.
 
In your opinion, who should replace test captain, coach and bowling coach after New Zealand tour?.

Definitely not Babar!!! Otherwise too much pressure will affect his batting. May be Shan!!!
 
Not a big fan of Captain Azhar, but I would have kept him as Test captain for few more series for lack of alternatives.
 
From a captaincy perspective that defeat against England this year was a shocker.

In fact it was a shambles of the highest order and I know Wasim Khan was not impressed at all.

There was simply no way Pakistan should have lost that match.

Not the first time Pakistan has lost a match in this fashion and not the last time for sure. It isn’t easy winning a test in England and I’m not sure if any other captain leading that Pakistan team would have done any better job. Azhar is being made a scapegoat.
 
Fantastic news.

Another year's been wasted because we all knew this Misbah-Azhar axis was not going to work.

Azhar should be retired after getting a farewell series in NZ. He's been a brilliant servant to Pak cricket.

Waqar Younis should also be removed for... somebody else needs to tell me what he actually does.
 
It isn’t easy winning a test in England and I’m not sure if any other captain leading that Pakistan team would have done any better job. Azhar is being made a scapegoat.

Well the way Azhar went straight to defensive tactics when Buttler hit few 4s and Eng was 5 down for 117 chasing 270 odd, it was pretty questionable.

Yes teams can win from difficult position as Eng did against Aus as well in Ashes however, when the captain cant handle bit of pressure when the opposition batsmen hit few 4s when they are completely down then that raises questions. Not to forget Shadab Khan who was the 5th bowler also only bowled 8 overs in that innings of Eng.

Winning and losing is part of the game but, there is no way Azhar's tactics can be said as upto the mark. Pakistan was totally on top but Azhar felt the pressure and that can be seen from his tactcis and that obviously trickles down to the team as well especially when two of the pacers are pretty young and new to the game. At 35 years of age there is not much roam of improvement too.
 
There were some reports about Rizwan being made the test captain.
And I was like, WHAT???

I think Rizwan is a little too hyper and sentimental to become the Test Captain straight off his shoes.

He did show a good potential though. So I think he can be started with the captaincy of the national T20 and then ODI teams where he can learn some more experience to have a mature, cool and wise head on his shoulders before he takes on the Test Captaincy.

Baber Azam should be made the Test Captain.

But then again, as long as you have that LAANTI Misbah vocal behind the scenes, it wouldn't make a difference. His cringe worthy presence on the scene alone has a negative and defeatist impact on the rest.

Misbah will make sure to choke the spark in Rizwan and turn him into another Lallu type Yes Man captain.
And Waqar won’t stop in self indulging into matters too.

Misbah and Waqar will NEVER let a captain think freely and implement his own ideas and his own plans. IMO, if we don't keep Misbah and Waqar 100 miles away from the team, nothing is going to change.
 
New reports suggesting that Azhar Ali could lose his captaincy to Mohammad Rizwan!

Wise move?

Indeed it is, Azhar at this stage of his career should concentrate on his batting otherwise he will become the same case as saifee
 
There were some reports about Rizwan being made the test captain.
And I was like, WHAT???

I think Rizwan is a little too hyper and sentimental to become the Test Captain straight off his shoes.

He did show a good potential though. So I think he can be started with the captaincy of the national T20 and then ODI teams where he can learn some more experience to have a mature, cool and wise head on his shoulders before he takes on the Test Captaincy.

Baber Azam should be made the Test Captain.

But then again, as long as you have that LAANTI Misbah vocal behind the scenes, it wouldn't make a difference. His cringe worthy presence on the scene alone has a negative and defeatist impact on the rest.

Misbah will make sure to choke the spark in Rizwan and turn him into another Lallu type Yes Man captain.
And Waqar won’t stop in self indulging into matters too.

Misbah and Waqar will NEVER let a captain think freely and implement his own ideas and his own plans. IMO, if we don't keep Misbah and Waqar 100 miles away from the team, nothing is going to change.

Exactly!!! Unless Misbah and Waqar leaves nothing will change. I want Azhar to stay as captain so after the series get rid of Misbah, Waqar, Azhar and Shafiq.
 
Root isn't a natural leader. He's often the quietest and most passive person on the field

Kohli isn't a natural leader. He was always barking at people and making a fool of himself, he's only just calmed down a bit.

What even is 'natural leader'? Having an MBA and proficiency of the English language?

As for Shan, he is a mediocre batsmen. In England he has a fluky hundred, then couldn't get past 20 in the next four innings. Averages 31 after 40+ innings - his long term position in the team is uncertain

Root style of captincy is democratic were This method gives the team freedom and accountability.

Were kohli style is based around Autocratic Style

Everyone has thier own way of leading and has thier own philiopshy none is wrong thou
 
Been waiting to hear this news for a while now and can't be happier, he is merely a squad player and does not have the skills to lead a side; he is utterly clueless. I don't think it would be wise to give Babar the captaincy as I think a separate captain would be better for Tests, not too sure who would be the best candidate since the Test team is in utter shambles right now. Saw on news channels that Rizwan might get considered for the role.
 
Humble Ache bache captains like Azhar Ali do not work for Pakistan Cricket. Misbah while in the same mold would show his authority on occasions.

Imran Khan, Wasim Akram type captains are best where they lead the side with a danda and are on top of everyone in the squad.
 
Humble Ache bache captains like Azhar Ali do not work for Pakistan Cricket. Misbah while in the same mold would show his authority on occasions.

Imran Khan, Wasim Akram type captains are best where they lead the side with a danda and are on top of everyone in the squad.

True, it's the way that works best in Pakistan. But who in the test team at present is actually like that?
 
There were some reports about Rizwan being made the test captain.
And I was like, WHAT???

I think Rizwan is a little too hyper and sentimental to become the Test Captain straight off his shoes.

He did show a good potential though. So I think he can be started with the captaincy of the national T20 and then ODI teams where he can learn some more experience to have a mature, cool and wise head on his shoulders before he takes on the Test Captaincy.

Baber Azam should be made the Test Captain.

But then again, as long as you have that LAANTI Misbah vocal behind the scenes, it wouldn't make a difference. His cringe worthy presence on the scene alone has a negative and defeatist impact on the rest.

Misbah will make sure to choke the spark in Rizwan and turn him into another Lallu type Yes Man captain.
And Waqar won’t stop in self indulging into matters too.

Misbah and Waqar will NEVER let a captain think freely and implement his own ideas and his own plans. IMO, if we don't keep Misbah and Waqar 100 miles away from the team, nothing is going to change.

Exactly the problem is Misbah and Waqar. This combo has failed to produce results in the past the why get selected again. Azhar who said NO to captaincy when given after the Misbah Younis retirement which was the right time for him to enjoy captaincy as he found the new found batting position as opener and was scoring runs all round the world. Surely not when Misbah gave him last year.

Mickey should have been retained
 
Azhar Ali commenting on his future as captain during the post match presser

"I felt really well in both innings in this match; Our Central Punjab batsmen try and score bit fast so maybe that's why our batting line up did not perform so well, even I should have converted my start to a big score"

"As regards to news on future of my captaincy, I only hear that from the media; I haven't had any meeting with anyone in which I had been told about this"

"We try our best not to think about these things [rumours on captaincy] but we try and focus on our game; Once when we were on the tour of Australia, same things were being said about captaincy then as well; So its best to concentrate on our game and since nothing official has been said on this, its a difficult position for me to talk about this"
 
True, it's the way that works best in Pakistan. But who in the test team at present is actually like that?

I would say Iman Ul Haq but his batting means he cant get into the test team, let alone captain it.
 
Reports indicate that Babar Azam is being lined up for this role but no discussions as yet with Azhar on this by PCB.
 
Lahore: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has decided to remove Azhar Ali as Test captain, ARY Sports reported.

According to sources, Babar Azam will replace Azhar as the skipper on the tour of New Zealand and the announcement by the PCB is expected on November 11.

Wicketkeeper-batsman Mohammad Rizwan will be announced as the vice-captain. Following the announcement of the captain, the squads for New Zealand will be named on the same date.

A 35-member squad is likely to be announced which will also include players for the Pakistan Shaheens.

It must be noted that Pakistan will play three T20Is and two Tests from December 18 to January 7 while Shaheens are scheduled to play five T20s and two four-day matches.

The squad will depart on November 23 from Lahore and as per New Zealand government regulations, will undergo a 14-day quarantine period in Lincoln, Christchurch.

Source ARY
 
More workload for Babar Azam. Let's see how he handles this. Probably the right decision as Azhar isn't upto the job and there is no other option.
 
Babar as yet also does not appear to be creative captain going by his captaincy in ODIs, not asko g for proper spinner in the team in place of o e pace bowler, nor even trying the part time bowlers Fakhar and Khushdil with Ifti being his usual ineffective self again, and Musa having a bad day as well.
 
Madness in my view.

Rizwan or Shan Masood better candidates.
 
I know for sure that Misbah did not make this decision.

I am just trying to figure out who is behind all this?

PCB was always a circus, but now this circus has become the best in the world.

I think the new act in this circus is to see if they can destroy Babar the batsman (the only batsman in the entire country)
 
Wasim Akram I believe was one of the chief proponents for Babar as Test captain.
 
More workload for Babar Azam. Let's see how he handles this. Probably the right decision as Azhar isn't upto the job and there is no other option.

Should have ben shan or rizwan to much responsibility
 
I know for sure that Misbah did not make this decision.

I am just trying to figure out who is behind all this?

PCB was always a circus, but now this circus has become the best in the world.

I think the new act in this circus is to see if they can destroy Babar the batsman (the only batsman in the entire country)

Wasim akram he was the one who wanted azhar ali to be dropped from captincy
 
Shan should concentrate on ensuring he keeps his place in the team. The last keeper captain we had it ended in tears.

We need babar the batter without his runs we are screwed imagine if he fails in 1 or 2 series
 
We need babar the batter without his runs we are screwed imagine if he fails in 1 or 2 series

Even if Babar is scoring we are still a rubbish test team. It's not that big a deal if he is captain . There are bigger issues in the test team than making Babar captain.
 
Even if Babar is scoring we are still a rubbish test team. It's not that big a deal if he is captain . There are bigger issues in the test team than making Babar captain.

But what would happen if he doesnt score at all which he will.thats true but them issues will keep happening if we stick with misbah
 
Babar is a novice at tactics and leading the team or making and executing plans in a match. Even Haris Sohail would have been a better option.
 
Babar remains wholly unconvincing as LOI captain, both strategically and as a leader. I am also unsure about placing additional pressure onto our only decent batsman.

This isn't England or NZ where players and ex-players will quietly respect the captain. He will have the 'seniors' attempting to bulldoze him into making decisions which benefit themselves, while our wonderful ex-players will stop at no end to criticise him endlessly.

All in all Babar is a great batsman and i would prefer to just let him bat. He has no outstanding credentials or experience as captain and there are a few others options in the squad now.

I fear we will see the best batsman Pakistan have produced since Yousuf Youhana become swallowed up by Pakistan cricket like so many before him.
 
Wasim Khan and Imran Khan are not happy with Azhar's leadership.

The big call is though, is there a better replacement?
 
Wasim Khan and Imran Khan are not happy with Azhar's leadership.

The big call is though, is there a better replacement?

How about a player who is actually good enough to be in the team.

Worry about captaincy later. First focus on developing players who are good enough to cement their place in the team.

Excluding Babar, there isn't a single player in the Pakistan team that you confidently say will remain in the team for the next few years.

When England were struggling because they didn't have enough quality batsmen, they made Root captain-a player who doesn't come across as an aggressive individual or one who possess leadership qualities, but he was a quality batsman who was in the team on merit.

England lost many matches under Root but they stuck with him and developed a team by bringing in promising youngsters.

Now, moving forward England will have other options to replace Root as captain.

PCB's plan to make Rizwan and Shadab VCs is the right move. If these two players can cement their place in the team they can take over the captaincy from Babar.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] you’ve talked before about appointing the best player captain as per the Aussie system. You feel under Aussie management Babar would be appointed or someone else?
 
Wasim Khan and Imran Khan are not happy with Azhar's leadership.

The big call is though, is there a better replacement?

Yes Shadab. He knows how to captain. He will need to improve his batting and bowling on the job unfortunately.

Most of all though, he will have to be his own man. Babar will be a yes man to Misbah which is exactly the opposite of what Pakistan needs. Shan Masood is, well, he is going to score in one innings out of 4 so there will be just too much pressure on him because of his batting failures to make bold calls when captaining.

Go with Shadab.
 
Babar remains wholly unconvincing as LOI captain, both strategically and as a leader. I am also unsure about placing additional pressure onto our only decent batsman.

This isn't England or NZ where players and ex-players will quietly respect the captain. He will have the 'seniors' attempting to bulldoze him into making decisions which benefit themselves, while our wonderful ex-players will stop at no end to criticise him endlessly.

All in all Babar is a great batsman and i would prefer to just let him bat. He has no outstanding credentials or experience as captain and there are a few others options in the squad now.

I fear we will see the best batsman Pakistan have produced since Yousuf Youhana become swallowed up by Pakistan cricket like so many before him.

Which seniors will try to bulldoze Babar? Shan, Asad Shafiq, Azhar Ali are hardly the bad-boy seniors of past decades trying to impose their will on the skipper - Babar is far too well respected in any case for that disrespect to creep in.

The real issue is from Misbah who already seems to be running the show from behind the scenes while sending Babar out to press conferences.
 
Yes Shadab. He knows how to captain. He will need to improve his batting and bowling on the job unfortunately.

Most of all though, he will have to be his own man. Babar will be a yes man to Misbah which is exactly the opposite of what Pakistan needs. Shan Masood is, well, he is going to score in one innings out of 4 so there will be just too much pressure on him because of his batting failures to make bold calls when captaining.

Go with Shadab.

That’s an unwise choice as Shadab is not a guaranteed pick in the test team, until he improves his test bowling several, several notches. He does make the team as second spinner but Zafar Gohar is a much better option when we go with just one spinner as he covers the batting base as well.

I’m speaking as someone who wants Shadab in as white ball skipper in due time (2 years from now or so). He would be fantastic.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] you’ve talked before about appointing the best player captain as per the Aussie system. You feel under Aussie management Babar would be appointed or someone else?

PAK's case is different - the main batsman of a struggling (read bankrupt) batting unit is never a good idea - this will make him scared, more protective and defensive. On top of that, guy probably has left school after 5th grade ......

This is why, I have always said that I don't mind a bowler as PAK's Captain - he can take the load, can protect himself and save his premier batsman. A bowling Captain can hide behind others for the time being and keep his focus on Captaincy; a batsman has no place to hide - his KPI is number bounded. On top of that, if the batsman is for a line-up that couldn't chase 278, at home under dew against ZIM without Jarvis & Sibanda, despite one guy scoring 125 and No. 8 hitting life time best of 50 .... you know your cricket.

If he were 7-8 years younger, with blind fold, I would have picked Wahab as Captain - educated guy and still has some of the old Pakistani guts; at least he'll swear at the bowler, if he is tested with a bouncer ........ Babar might appreciate the quality of the ball. At present, for Test side I'll have to pick Shan - said many times that if he were smarter than goofing up wife's pill, I would have picked Yasir as Test Captain. For ODI & T20s, Babar isn't my choice either, but don't know whom to suggest - may be Shadab or Imam (guy got enough mouthful from me, but I don't see anyone better - WK is not for Captaincy, Haris Sohail should ask for permanent disability benefit .... Fakhar will be out of team in a year and Shaheen might do his stuff once again, this time instead of web cam, in front of press camera, you never know .... rest are talent, you know). Sarfraz wasn't the worst T20 Captain - but they over burdened him, which got him broken ... now PCT is stuck with Rizwan as T20 WK.

My damage control choices are
Test: Shan, deputy - Babar
ODI - Imam, deputy - Shadab (This might instigate some initiative in Imam; but Babar not bad choice either - ODI is his strongest suit, should be able to cope up with the pressure better)
T20 - Wahab, deputy - Shadab (Wahab will play 2021 WC for sure)

PCB has appointed Saud as U16, U19, A team, Emerging Team Captain - he might be a long term option .... but I hope that's before his official 30th birthday ..... perfectly fits the bill though. Potentially, one of the top batsmen in XI, can bowl a bit and a very cool customer; probably basic educated as well.
 
That’s an unwise choice as Shadab is not a guaranteed pick in the test team, until he improves his test bowling several, several notches. He does make the team as second spinner but Zafar Gohar is a much better option when we go with just one spinner as he covers the batting base as well.

I’m speaking as someone who wants Shadab in as white ball skipper in due time (2 years from now or so). He would be fantastic.

It is not so far fetched [MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION], even if it looks like it.

His batting has improved by leaps and bounds, already he has some good knocks in test cricket. His bowling can be called upon to deliver 10-15 overs and perhaps get a couple of wickets. An allrounder in NZ will be tremendous asset - when most of the team up the order will be flailing at banana swing.

Shan is sitting wicket. I have seen enough of him in England and SA (despite people thinking he has become a Gavaskar) to know he will perform rarely. That will deprive him of all authority.

Babar is massively struggling as captain. This will impact his batting. Azhar is hopeless as captain and more importantly, declining fast as a batsman, despite occasional good innings.

Get Shadab, and see how things change.
 
PAK's case is different - the main batsman of a struggling (read bankrupt) batting unit is never a good idea - this will make him scared, more protective and defensive. On top of that, guy probably has left school after 5th grade ......

This is why, I have always said that I don't mind a bowler as PAK's Captain - he can take the load, can protect himself and save his premier batsman. A bowling Captain can hide behind others for the time being and keep his focus on Captaincy; a batsman has no place to hide - his KPI is number bounded. On top of that, if the batsman is for a line-up that couldn't chase 278, at home under dew against ZIM without Jarvis & Sibanda, despite one guy scoring 125 and No. 8 hitting life time best of 50 .... you know your cricket.

If he were 7-8 years younger, with blind fold, I would have picked Wahab as Captain - educated guy and still has some of the old Pakistani guts; at least he'll swear at the bowler, if he is tested with a bouncer ........ Babar might appreciate the quality of the ball. At present, for Test side I'll have to pick Shan - said many times that if he were smarter than goofing up wife's pill, I would have picked Yasir as Test Captain. For ODI & T20s, Babar isn't my choice either, but don't know whom to suggest - may be Shadab or Imam (guy got enough mouthful from me, but I don't see anyone better - WK is not for Captaincy, Haris Sohail should ask for permanent disability benefit .... Fakhar will be out of team in a year and Shaheen might do his stuff once again, this time instead of web cam, in front of press camera, you never know .... rest are talent, you know). Sarfraz wasn't the worst T20 Captain - but they over burdened him, which got him broken ... now PCT is stuck with Rizwan as T20 WK.

My damage control choices are
Test: Shan, deputy - Babar
ODI - Imam, deputy - Shadab (This might instigate some initiative in Imam; but Babar not bad choice either - ODI is his strongest suit, should be able to cope up with the pressure better)
T20 - Wahab, deputy - Shadab (Wahab will play 2021 WC for sure)

PCB has appointed Saud as U16, U19, A team, Emerging Team Captain - he might be a long term option .... but I hope that's before his official 30th birthday ..... perfectly fits the bill though. Potentially, one of the top batsmen in XI, can bowl a bit and a very cool customer; probably basic educated as well.

Shadab, Shadab and Shadab for all 3 formats. All others as you have already noted, are choices we already know will fail even before the series begins.

Shadab has an outside chance of turning the tide. He will work well with youngsters, and has already shown he can handle seniors.
 
Shadab, Shadab and Shadab for all 3 formats. All others as you have already noted, are choices we already know will fail even before the series begins.

Shadab has an outside chance of turning the tide. He will work well with youngsters, and has already shown he can handle seniors.

Not in Test - he is not good enough to command respect in Test. In other two formats, he is already deputy - if he is promoted, it’ll create unnecessary status co; he has to wait for couple of years at least.
 
I don't like the idea of Babar captaining Pakistan in all 3 formats at this stage of his career.

It's too soon and I would rather he established himself as skipper in the white ball formats first.

Once again the PCB has made no proper plans and there is a lack of forward thinking yet again.
 
Good decision by PCB , he is 26 and can remain captain for next ten years.

Shan masoods technique will be tested in newzealand and we cant say that he has cemented his place for sure , mohammad rizwan is still finding his place in the side . Babar is the only and right choice.
 
PAK's case is different - the main batsman of a struggling (read bankrupt) batting unit is never a good idea - this will make him scared, more protective and defensive. On top of that, guy probably has left school after 5th grade ......

This is why, I have always said that I don't mind a bowler as PAK's Captain - he can take the load, can protect himself and save his premier batsman. A bowling Captain can hide behind others for the time being and keep his focus on Captaincy; a batsman has no place to hide - his KPI is number bounded. On top of that, if the batsman is for a line-up that couldn't chase 278, at home under dew against ZIM without Jarvis & Sibanda, despite one guy scoring 125 and No. 8 hitting life time best of 50 .... you know your cricket.

If he were 7-8 years younger, with blind fold, I would have picked Wahab as Captain - educated guy and still has some of the old Pakistani guts; at least he'll swear at the bowler, if he is tested with a bouncer ........ Babar might appreciate the quality of the ball. At present, for Test side I'll have to pick Shan - said many times that if he were smarter than goofing up wife's pill, I would have picked Yasir as Test Captain. For ODI & T20s, Babar isn't my choice either, but don't know whom to suggest - may be Shadab or Imam (guy got enough mouthful from me, but I don't see anyone better - WK is not for Captaincy, Haris Sohail should ask for permanent disability benefit .... Fakhar will be out of team in a year and Shaheen might do his stuff once again, this time instead of web cam, in front of press camera, you never know .... rest are talent, you know). Sarfraz wasn't the worst T20 Captain - but they over burdened him, which got him broken ... now PCT is stuck with Rizwan as T20 WK.

My damage control choices are
Test: Shan, deputy - Babar
ODI - Imam, deputy - Shadab (This might instigate some initiative in Imam; but Babar not bad choice either - ODI is his strongest suit, should be able to cope up with the pressure better)
T20 - Wahab, deputy - Shadab (Wahab will play 2021 WC for sure)

PCB has appointed Saud as U16, U19, A team, Emerging Team Captain - he might be a long term option .... but I hope that's before his official 30th birthday ..... perfectly fits the bill though. Potentially, one of the top batsmen in XI, can bowl a bit and a very cool customer; probably basic educated as well.

You don't rate Imam but now you are suggesting him as captain?
 
PAK's case is different - the main batsman of a struggling (read bankrupt) batting unit is never a good idea - this will make him scared, more protective and defensive. On top of that, guy probably has left school after 5th grade ......

This is why, I have always said that I don't mind a bowler as PAK's Captain - he can take the load, can protect himself and save his premier batsman. A bowling Captain can hide behind others for the time being and keep his focus on Captaincy; a batsman has no place to hide - his KPI is number bounded. On top of that, if the batsman is for a line-up that couldn't chase 278, at home under dew against ZIM without Jarvis & Sibanda, despite one guy scoring 125 and No. 8 hitting life time best of 50 .... you know your cricket.

If he were 7-8 years younger, with blind fold, I would have picked Wahab as Captain - educated guy and still has some of the old Pakistani guts; at least he'll swear at the bowler, if he is tested with a bouncer ........ Babar might appreciate the quality of the ball. At present, for Test side I'll have to pick Shan - said many times that if he were smarter than goofing up wife's pill, I would have picked Yasir as Test Captain. For ODI & T20s, Babar isn't my choice either, but don't know whom to suggest - may be Shadab or Imam (guy got enough mouthful from me, but I don't see anyone better - WK is not for Captaincy, Haris Sohail should ask for permanent disability benefit .... Fakhar will be out of team in a year and Shaheen might do his stuff once again, this time instead of web cam, in front of press camera, you never know .... rest are talent, you know). Sarfraz wasn't the worst T20 Captain - but they over burdened him, which got him broken ... now PCT is stuck with Rizwan as T20 WK.

My damage control choices are
Test: Shan, deputy - Babar
ODI - Imam, deputy - Shadab (This might instigate some initiative in Imam; but Babar not bad choice either - ODI is his strongest suit, should be able to cope up with the pressure better)
T20 - Wahab, deputy - Shadab (Wahab will play 2021 WC for sure)

PCB has appointed Saud as U16, U19, A team, Emerging Team Captain - he might be a long term option .... but I hope that's before his official 30th birthday ..... perfectly fits the bill though. Potentially, one of the top batsmen in XI, can bowl a bit and a very cool customer; probably basic educated as well.

Saud Shakeel is the man.
 
You don't rate Imam but now you are suggesting him as captain?

He is the type, often who makes better captain - better stats than the player he is means he knows how to get things done. Also, weather I like it or not, he is going to stay with PCT for many years to come and PAK will play lots of soft games in next few years, means he’ll maintain a good stats. His bigger strengths are his connections and his temperament- both can be better used when Captain...
 
Azhar doing well today - 63 for Central Punjab vs Balochistan

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Azhar doing well today - 63 for Central Punjab vs Balochistan

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Is that good? One would expect the Test captain of a top 6 Test side to be getting runs for fun in domestics. At least 2-3 centuries in 8 innings as the bare minimum.
 
Rizwan is a candidate after playing a couple of games?

Look if we want to take a punt then Rizwan is the guy. Fact is that we dont have "groomed" captains in the side so Rizwan as good as another in my view.
 
Qea20, Round 3, Day 1:

Central Punjab finished the day at 204 for six thanks to a 79-run partnership between their captain Azhar Ali and Usman Salahuddin.

The pair came together much earlier than they had anticipated as both Central Punjab openers – Ahmed Shehzad (eight) and Abid Ali (six) – were dismissed early in the innings with the scorecard reading 34.

Azhar stroked his 63 runs – the most by any batsman in the innings so far – from 147 balls, 10 of which were dispatched towards the boundary, while Usman fell six runs short of what would have been his 44th half-century at this level.
 
The Pakistan Cricket Board’s Board of Governors on Monday is expected to give its seal of approval to the appointment of Babar Azam as the new Test captain for the upcoming tour of New Zealand replacing Azhar Ali.

“Babar is the unanimous choice to be appointed Test captain and he has had discussions with top officials and given his consent to take up the challenge,” a PCB source said.

The board, which will hold its meeting in Lahore on Monday, is also tipped to have two new members, former men’s captain Shahid Afridi and women’s captain Sana Mir as its new members.

Both the former players will be inducted as independent technocrats, which are positions as laid down in the constitution of the board.

The PCB confirmed on Sunday the agenda for Monday’s meeting included a review of the report on the national men’s team performances.

A reliable source in the board said that while Chairman Ehsan Mani will seek approval to appoint a new Test captain on Monday, the official announcement should come on November 11, when the board will announce a 35-strong squad for the New Zealand tour.

The PCB source said the board felt that it was time to invest in Babar and this would allow him to learn with time and settle down as long-term captain in all three formats with three World Cups coming up in the next three years, two of them in India.

“The mantra behind wanting to make Babar Test captain is that you make your best player the captain,” the source said.

Azhar, however, will be touring New Zealand for the two Test series.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...rs-ehsan-mani-sports-news/article33053504.ece
 
Don’t see the obsession in Babar being appointed the Test captain.

I would stick with Azhar Ali for the tour of NZ then make a decision after this time.

Chop and change isn’t the way forward.
 
Exciting times ahead. Will be refreshing seeing Babar in the Pakistan blazer In whites alongside Kane at the toss. Good riddance from Azhar finally.
 
Another disaster. Babar is not ready yet.
 
I'm glad Azhar is removed from captaincy , but he should be removed from a team member also.

Shan Masood should be the test captain for couple of years and then Babar.

But if Babar is going to be the captain for all three format, its not the worst decision, he will learn a lot in quick time. We have been losing under the oldies, why not try a young man.
 
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