[Reports] Shahid Afridi to address people in Indian Kashmir via telephone on Friday

[Mamoon]

Most importantly when he is going to adress people of Fata who had turned up in numbers on sunday.Such a hypocrite.He should take satnce on them first if he considers hismelf that humanaterian

Even the word hypocrite falls short when it comes to describing this man.

 

[Mamoon]

I am just using your own example. You used the minorities that Afridi didn't address in this speech to launch an attack on his motives, I am similarly using the ones you didn't address to criticise you. I haven't even got round to the transgenders truck drivers you TOTALLY failed to bring up as to why they were missed out in Afridi's speech. We shall get to those soon.

A minor issue compared to the oppression of Ahmadis, Shias and Sunnis. Transgenderism is a first world problem, the Pakistani society will take generations to fully accept them.

However, the genocide of religious minorities is unacceptable, and someone like Afridi needs to focus his attention on that first before looking at what another country is doing in its state.

Once we give rights to minorities in Pakistan, and give rights to the people of Balochistan, we can look at how to tackle sexism and oppression of transgenders. Once we deal with all of that and make Pakistan a model state, we can perhaps look at India and tell them to learn from the best.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are free to believe what you want, but it's nothing compared to India's sorry state of politicians. The name Gandhi is enough to get you killed. 2 Prime Ministers, and Founding Father of India.

At least Pakistan's Supreme Court puts its PMs on trial, serve justice, unlike in India where an internationally banned terrorist is let off scott free with blood on his hands, and voted in as PM of India.

Liaqat Ali Khan

Zulfiqar Ali Butto

Benazir Bhutto

Assasinated Pakistani PMs. May be you should advise Pakistan and not India.

You calling someone a terrorist wont make him a terrorist even on a PP thread let alone the real world. Keep trying though. May be complaint to your PM in UK. Ooops UK allowed the guy to come to UK gave him a red carpet and then he addressed 50k people at wembley.

There is nothing you could do about it except be frustrated and come here and take it out.

You have my sympathies.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm not understanding how you're calling this a personal matter. When a government continues to harm people under its control, its no longer a personal matter. Other countries intervene when such occurrences take place. Even the U.S. would have acted out the way it did with the Syrian government using gas on its citizens had India not been a potential economic superpower.

Sovereign nations dont allow foreigners to meddle in their matters.

Just because some country cant protect its sovereignity doesnt mean India cant.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Liaqat Ali Khan

Zulfiqar Ali Butto

Benazir Bhutto

Assasinated Pakistani PMs. May be you should advise Pakistan and not India.

You calling someone a terrorist wont make him a terrorist even on a PP thread let alone the real world. Keep trying though. May be complaint to your PM in UK. Ooops UK allowed the guy to come to UK gave him a red carpet and then he addressed 50k people at wembley.

There is nothing you could do about it except be frustrated and come here and take it out.

You have my sympathies.

What are you talking about? Zulfiqar Ali Butto was not assassinated.

Go back and learn how to use Google properly.

Also, Pakistani leaders were NEVER banned from entering the UK, unlike Modi! So your point of the UK is self inflicting.

Also I note you do not deny Modi is a terrorist. Slowly but surely you will get there in the end.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Liaqat Ali Khan

Zulfiqar Ali Butto

Benazir Bhutto

Assasinated Pakistani PMs. May be you should advise Pakistan and not India.

You calling someone a terrorist wont make him a terrorist even on a PP thread let alone the real world. Keep trying though. May be complaint to your PM in UK. Ooops UK allowed the guy to come to UK gave him a red carpet and then he addressed 50k people at wembley.

There is nothing you could do about it except be frustrated and come here and take it out.

You have my sympathies.

You have my sympathies sir

 

[world cup captain]

Sovereign nations dont allow foreigners to meddle in their matters.

Just because some country cant protect its sovereignity doesnt mean India cant.

Yes, apply this to Modi sahab too. He then also shouldn't try to get involved in Baluchistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A minor issue compared to the oppression of Ahmadis, Shias and Sunnis. Transgenderism is a first world problem, the Pakistani society will take generations to fully accept them.

However, the genocide of religious minorities is unacceptable, and someone like Afridi needs to focus his attention on that first before looking at what another country is doing in its state.

Once we give rights to minorities in Pakistan, and give rights to the people of Balochistan, we can look at how to tackle sexism and oppression of transgenders. Once we deal with all of that and make Pakistan a model state, we can perhaps look at India and tell them to learn from the best.

All those issues need to be tackled simultaneously, and Afridi isn't responsible for tackling all of them any more than the next person. You need to stop with these straw man arguments and stick to the topic. What a way to conduct a discussion. If you don't want to discuss Kashmir you can stay out of the thread, that's what I would do seeing as I don't want to discuss it either. But you can't come wading in and criticising a personality for not discussing something entirely different. That was the point I was making when I brought up topics like transgender truckers or sexism to show you how you like to operate.

 

[Madplayer]

So when is Afridi going to address Shias, Ahmadis and other minorities?

The actual Pakistanis who are being oppressed by their fellow Pakistanis?

The apologists claim that Afridi's intentions are purely humanitarian and it has nothing to do with nationalism. If that is true, why are his fellow Pakistanis not higher in the pecking order than Indian occupied Kashmiris, who are not Pakistanis to begin with?

If his actions have to do with nationalism, why aren't the people of his nation higher in the pecking order than Indian occupied Kashmiris?

Can anyone answer these uncomfortable questions without resorting to ad hominem or using other deflection tactics, commonly referred to in Pakistan as aaye, bayen, shayen.

What problem do you have if we get some support from Lala?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Afridi is making Klopp look an amatuer , tactical genius.

First he gains love from India by taking a photo with an Indian flag. His tweet then sends shockwaves through the Indian media and now he will make a speech in support of the oppressed.

Every famous person in Pakistan or anywhere should do the same, highlighting Kashmir will show Indian crimes to the world.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What are you talking about? Zulfiqar Ali Butto was not assassinated.

Go back and learn how to use Google properly.

Also, Pakistani leaders were NEVER banned from entering the UK, unlike Modi! So your point of the UK is self inflicting.

Also I note you do not deny Modi is a terrorist. Slowly but surely you will get there in the end.

ZAB was removed from Post by a coup and then hanged by the coup mastermind.

"the murder of someone famous or important"

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/assassination

Go and learn yourself rather than telling others.

Modi was received with a red carpet in UK, despite some Brit Pakistanis frothing at the mouth here on PP.



Why should i help break your delusions. They are a comic relief.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes, apply this to Modi sahab too. He then also shouldn't try to get involved in Baluchistan.

Then dont poke your nose in J and K.

 

[R3verse Swing]

ZAB was removed from Post by a coup and then hanged by the coup mastermind.

"the murder of someone famous or important"

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/assassination

Go and learn yourself rather than telling others.

Modi was received with a red carpet in UK, despite some Brit Pakistanis frothing at the mouth here on PP.



Why should i help break your delusions. They are a comic relief.

OMG. ZAB was not assassinated. Don't try to rewrite history.

Modi red carpet? In Wembley stadium? If you are ever granted a visa for UK, unlike banned Modi, you will realise it was not a Red carpet treatment at all.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You have my sympathies sir

So ZAB's hanging was not murder?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Then dont poke your nose in J and K.

Kashmir belongs to Pakistan. You crying on PP or your leader crying to UN will not change this fact.

 

[MenInG]

So ZAB's hanging was not murder?

Am confused about this thread title. Its about people of Kashmir. Why are we discussing the world here?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kashmir belongs to Pakistan. You crying on PP or your leader crying to UN will not change this fact.

Indians control Srinagar or Jammu or Leh. Go do something about it if you can.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Please let us know the correct term so that we can modify the title accordingly.

Masterclass

 

[R3verse Swing]

Indians control Srinagar or Jammu or Leh. Go do something about it if you can.

India controls squat. 70 Years on, India is still hopelessly claiming territory.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India controls squat. 70 Years on, India is still hopelessly claiming territory.

India controls Srinagar Jammu and Leh. Despite wars Pakistan could not take anyone of them. All it can do now is to cry at UN or show anger on social media.

 

[R3verse Swing]

India controls Srinagar Jammu and Leh. Despite wars Pakistan could not take anyone of them. All it can do now is to cry at UN or show anger on social media.

India controls squat.

4 wars and India still has no control.

LET THIS SINK IN!

 

[cricketjoshila]

India controls squat.

4 wars and India still has no control.

LET THIS SINK IN!

India controls Srinagar Jammu and Leh. All Pakistan can do is cry at UN or lie at UN or show frusyration on social media like you. India still controls Jammu Srinagar and Leh, poor you can do nothing to change it, so just deal with it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India controls Srinagar Jammu and Leh. Despite wars Pakistan couldfr not take anyone of them. All it can do now is to cry at UN or show anger on social media.

Ironic hypocrisy from a guy who always bring in the UN when it comes to Hafeez Saeed.

You dont need hundreds of thousands of troops if it's your land and your people.

 

[cricketjoshila]

OMG. ZAB was not assassinated. Don't try to rewrite history.

Modi red carpet? In Wembley stadium? If you are ever granted a visa for UK, unlike banned Modi, you will realise it was not a Red carpet treatment at all.

Learn the meaning of Assasination.

Yeah Red Carpet at 10 Downing and Buckingham Palace.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ironic hypocrisy from a guy who always bring in the UN when it comes to Hafeez Saeed.

You dont need hundreds of thousands of troops if it's your land and your people.

Troops are needed to tackle terrorists who kill people of other religion or anyone who doesnot agree with them.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Troops are needed to tackle terrorists who kill people of other religion or anyone who doesnot agree with them.

You need hundreds of thousands of troops, the most militarised zone in the world to fight 'terrorists'?

You need troops because the majority of the people dont want to be with India, they hate you.

Indians pretending the people want to be with India and their troops are they to protect them is the beyond laughable.

 

[Pakpak]

All those issues need to be tackled simultaneously, and Afridi isn't responsible for tackling all of them any more than the next person. You need to stop with these straw man arguments and stick to the topic. What a way to conduct a discussion. If you don't want to discuss Kashmir you can stay out of the thread, that's what I would do seeing as I don't want to discuss it either. But you can't come wading in and criticising a personality for not discussing something entirely different. That was the point I was making when I brought up topics like transgender truckers or sexism to show you how you like to operate.

That is how he operates. Tons of strawmen. I am now doubting each day if he is even Pakistani.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You need hundreds of thousands of troops, the most militarised zone in the world to fight 'terrorists'?

You need troops because the majority of the people dont want to be with India, they hate you.

Indians pretending the people want to be with India and their troops are they to protect them is the beyond laughable.

How many Pak Army persons are deployed in Balochistan FATA Waziristan etc. Didnt they use Attack Helis and F16s. All this to fight terrorists.

How many personnels were deployed to just play a cricket match?

Who is this majority? Hindus?Sikhs?Buddhists?Shias?Sunnis? Who?

 

[KingKhanWC]

How many Pak Army persons are deployed in Balochistan FATA Waziristan etc. Didnt they use Attack Helis and F16s. All this to fight terrorists.

How many personnels were deployed to just play a cricket match?

Who is this majority? Hindus?Sikhs?Buddhists?Shias?Sunnis? Who?

Not as many as in IOK.

Let's not divert, the usual Indian tactic but stick to the topic.

A simple question to any Indian but esp you.

Do you believe the MAJORITY of people living in Kashmir, love India and want to be part of India. Yes or No?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not as many as in IOK.

Let's not divert, the usual Indian tactic but stick to the topic.

A simple question to any Indian but esp you.

Do you believe the MAJORITY of people living in Kashmir, love India and want to be part of India. Yes or No?

Pakistan has to deploy 1000s of personnels just to host a cricket match. And then you qyestion why there are Army men in J and K who both have to fight terrorists in tge civilian areas and Pak Army at the LOC.

I am asking you who is this majority? Hindus Sikhs Buddhists Shias Sunnis who?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan has to deploy 1000s of personnels just to host a cricket match. And then you qyestion why there are Army men in J and K who both have to fight terrorists in tge civilian areas and Pak Army at the LOC.

I am asking you who is this majority? Hindus Sikhs Buddhists Shias Sunnis who?

As I thought you can't answer a simple question. I know this is an anonymous forum but please have some self respect and accept what is well known. But I dont think your care and will continue to divert and fool yourself.

If Afridi does address the people, please listen you might learn something.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As I thought you can't answer a simple question. I know this is an anonymous forum but please have some self respect and accept what is well known. But I dont think your care and will continue to divert and fool yourself.

If Afridi does address the people, please listen you might learn something.

So you have no answer to the question that Who in Kashmir hates Indians?

Hindus?Sikhs?Buddhists?Shias?Sunnis? Which one of them hates India?

 

[R3verse Swing]

What's the meaning of Assasination.

Yeah Red Carpet at 10 Downing and Buckingham Palace.

1. to murder (a person, esp a public or political figure), usually by a surprise attack.

 

[JaDed]

Lala is working for himself here, which is obvious, nothing he does is going to cause any changes in the situation, let him go on about it.

Reminds me of this one Vaiko politician in Tamil Nadu every time bringing up Tamil issue of Lanka and holding useless rallies, no one cares and he does same every 4 years.

 

[UN talkz]

To clear your confusions; this won't happen as all area covering Jamia Masjid will be locked down.
Authorities will impose curfew and that's it.

 

[MenInG]

To clear your confusions; this won't happen as all area covering Jamia Masjid will be locked down.
Authorities will impose curfew and that's it.

so they will shutdown a mosque rather than allow the voice of a 'failed' Pakistan cricketer be heard there?

 

[Khan12]

so they will shutdown a mosque rather than allow the voice of a 'failed' Pakistan cricketer be heard there?

That failed cricketer is more famous then any Indian player imo.

 

[IMMY69]

Which channel is showing this? Any live streaming?
Will have my popcorn ready..

 

[KingKhanWC]

So you have no answer to the question that Who in Kashmir hates Indians?

Hindus?Sikhs?Buddhists?Shias?Sunnis? Which one of them hates India?

The majority population are Muslims and most of them hate India.

 

[90MPH]

Kashmiris know Afrdi is right and now the world knows his tweet was right.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

so they will shutdown a mosque rather than allow the voice of a 'failed' Pakistan cricketer be heard there?

They have banned Friday prayers there for MONTHS at a time.

Afridi should speak at a conference in Srinagar via phone.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

So when is Afridi going to address Shias, Ahmadis and other minorities?

The actual Pakistanis who are being oppressed by their fellow Pakistanis?

The apologists claim that Afridi's intentions are purely humanitarian and it has nothing to do with nationalism. If that is true, why are his fellow Pakistanis not higher in the pecking order than Indian occupied Kashmiris, who are not Pakistanis to begin with?

If his actions have to do with nationalism, why aren't the people of his nation higher in the pecking order than Indian occupied Kashmiris?

Can anyone answer these uncomfortable questions without resorting to ad hominem or using other deflection tactics, commonly referred to in Pakistan as aaye, bayen, shayen.

Whataboutism 101

 

[Hornbill]

They have banned Friday prayers there for MONTHS at a time.

Afridi should speak at a conference in Srinagar via phone.

You should also mention why this happened. Peace loving kashmiris lynched one of their own police officer in front of it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The majority population are Muslims and most of them hate India.

So close to 35% of the population which is non muslim do not hate India. The Shias have no reason to hate India. They are 14 or 15% of the populatiom

So basically its a sunni muslim problem. That doesnot make it a majority issue.

 

[UN talkz]

You should also mention why this happened. Peace loving kashmiris lynched one of their own police officer in front of it.

That police officer incident happened in 2017.

And Jamia Masjid was closed for 17 weeks in 2016; and nobody was allowed to pray there.

So please stop spreading lies and filthy propaganda.

Also do you anything about Jamia Masjid; it is Asia's one of the largest Masjids; if any temple is closed by Authorities in any part of India; there will be bloodshed in whole India; riots will take place everywhere.

And yes Kashmiris are peace loving; dont need lessons from you.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That police officer incident happened in 2017.

And Jamia Masjid was closed for 17 weeks in 2016; and nobody was allowed to pray there.

So please stop spreading lies and filthy propaganda.

Also do you anything about Jamia Masjid; it is Asia's one of the largest Masjids; if any temple is closed by Authorities in any part of India; there will be bloodshed in whole India; riots will take place everywhere.

And yes Kashmiris are peace loving; dont need lessons from you.

If a temple becomes the hotbed for secessionism it will be closed.

 

[UN talkz]

So close to 35% of the population which is non muslim do not hate India. The Shias have no reason to hate India. They are 14 or 15% of the populatiom

So basically its a sunni muslim problem. That doesnot make it a majority issue.

Boy common don't play BJP politics here; nobody is Shia and Sunni; What's this nonsense of Shia's have no reason to hate India??? Do u know about Shia leaders of Kashmir??? All of them are part of Freedom struggle, part of Hurriyat Conference.

Khalsa Committee and APSCC are also part of this struggle; so better do some research and then speak.

Sunni problem??? What rubbish

 

[UN talkz]

If a temple becomes the hotbed for secessionism it will be closed.

It aint any hotbed; it is a place to worship where worship is allowed

 

[cricketjoshila]

Boy common don't play BJP politics here; nobody is Shia and Sunni; What's this nonsense of Shia's have no reason to hate India??? Do u know about Shia leaders of Kashmir??? All of them are part of Freedom struggle, part of Hurriyat Conference.

Khalsa Committee and APSCC are also part of this struggle; so better do some research and then speak.

Sunni problem??? What rubbish

Non muslims and Shias have never supported this alleged freedom struggle. Non muslims know they will have to go through what non muslims go through in Pakistan or BD. The trailer was shown to them during 1990s.

Shias know where they will stand if Kashmir separates from India and comes under influence of Pakistan or joins Pakistan. They do not get along with this freedom struggle but do support autonomy for Kashmir.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It aint any hotbed; it is a place to worship where worship is allowed

Afridi's speech would be worship? When a place of worship becomes political place and a hot bed of secession it no more remains a place of worship.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Non muslims and Shias have never supported this alleged freedom struggle. Non muslims know they will have to go through what non muslims go through in Pakistan or BD. The trailer was shown to them during 1990s.

Shias know where they will stand if Kashmir separates from India and comes under influence of Pakistan or joins Pakistan. They do not get along with this freedom struggle but do support autonomy for Kashmir.

I am not too sure about Kashmir but I hail from Karachi and Shias, Sunnis, Parsis, Hindus, Christians have no problems whatsoever in going about their business publicly and or otherwise.

 

[Madplayer]

Non muslims and Shias have never supported this alleged freedom struggle. Non muslims know they will have to go through what non muslims go through in Pakistan or BD. The trailer was shown to them during 1990s.

Shias know where they will stand if Kashmir separates from India and comes under influence of Pakistan or joins Pakistan. They do not get along with this freedom struggle but do support autonomy for Kashmir.

Lies and blatant lies.

Shias by and large support independence of Kashmir. A lot of them are against a merger with Pakistan and very few of them want to be with India.

Iran's Ayatullah Khomeni has time and again reiterated his support for Kashmir's freedom struggle so i dont why Indians resort to lying on this issue.

Shias are a meagre 6-8 % of the total muslim number in Kashmir anyway.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am not too sure about Kashmir but I hail from Karachi and Shias, Sunnis, Parsis, Hindus, Christians have no problems whatsoever in going about their business publicly and or otherwise.

Yet we have Hindus from Pakistan coming to India for refuge after being persecuted.

Shias have been the target of secterian violence in Pakistan for decades.

This is the reason that Kashmir issue has little support among non muslims and shias.

 

[Madplayer]

By the way there has been a lot of movement of Indian fighter jets in last few days during the nights. Today i got woken up by their sound at night. I wonder if they are anticipating something and mobilising their resources.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lies and blatant lies.

Shias by and large support independence of Kashmir. A lot of them are against a merger with Pakistan and very few of them want to be with India.

Iran's Ayatullah Khomeni has time and again reiterated his support for Kashmir's freedom struggle so i dont why Indians resort to lying on this issue.

Shias are a meagre 6-8 % of the total muslim number in Kashmir anyway.

Shias by and large support autonomy as they know that independent Kashmir will be a Pakistani puppet and Shias know what will happen to them.

When did i say anything about Khomeini?

Yea Shias are around 10% of Total population of Kashmir and non muslims around 35%.

 

[cricketjoshila]

By the way there has been a lot of movement of Indian fighter jets in last few days during the nights. Today i got woken up by their sound at night. I wonder if they are anticipating something and mobilising their resources.

Because GaganShakti exercises are going on.

 

[Wonderwoman]

Lies and blatant lies.

Shias by and large support independence of Kashmir. A lot of them are against a merger with Pakistan and very few of them want to be with India.

Iran's Ayatullah Khomeni has time and again reiterated his support for Kashmir's freedom struggle so i dont why Indians resort to lying on this issue.

Shias are a meagre 6-8 % of the total muslim number in Kashmir anyway.

Ahh typical attitude towards minorities!! Thats how the minorities have been culled all over Islamic world!

 

[Madplayer]

Shias by and large support autonomy as they know that independent Kashmir will be a Pakistani puppet and Shias know what will happen to them.

When did i say anything about Khomeini?

Yea Shias are around 10% of Total population of Kashmir and non muslims around 35%.

Lol Dont speak on behalf of Shias here. It is your wishful thinking if you believe they dont want to separate from India. Kashmiris are more qualified to speak on this subject than an Indian who is letting his imagination run wild.

ALL the Shias that i know want to have nothing to do with India except 1 who was a die hard fan of tendulkar and used to fight if somebody insulted him. A LOT of them support Pakistan in cricket matches.
Out of the 8% Shias of Kashmir, more than 6% would want to break from India. I am being generous here. Non-Muslims might be 35% but we have to take into consideration Azad Kashmir's population as well.

 

[Madplayer]

Ahh typical attitude towards minorities!! Thats how the minorities have been culled all over Islamic world!

Yes we do see how India is the shining beacon when it comes to minority rights.

I spoke about a reality which exists in a democratic system. Numbers matter in such a system even if you dont like it.

 

[Hornbill]

That police officer incident happened in 2017.

And Jamia Masjid was closed for 17 weeks in 2016; and nobody was allowed to pray there.

So please stop spreading lies and filthy propaganda.

Also do you anything about Jamia Masjid; it is Asia's one of the largest Masjids; if any temple is closed by Authorities in any part of India; there will be bloodshed in whole India; riots will take place everywhere.

And yes Kashmiris are peace loving; dont need lessons from you.

Friday prayers at Jamia Masjid after 6 weeks
The government had been imposing restrictions on Fridays after security wing DSP Mohammed Ayub Pandith (57) was beaten to death in Nowhatta on the night of June 22.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/mobi/ne...ers-at-jamia-masjid-after-6-weeks/447147.html

Just a small mistake from my side. Why you're getting upset ?

 

[IMMY69]

Non muslims and Shias have never supported this alleged freedom struggle. Non muslims know they will have to go through what non muslims go through in Pakistan or BD. The trailer was shown to them during 1990s.

Shias know where they will stand if Kashmir separates from India and comes under influence of Pakistan or joins Pakistan. They do not get along with this freedom struggle but do support autonomy for Kashmir.

What on Earth are you talking about????????

Listen lad.

I am Shia, my entire family and community is Shia.
The majority of my family still live in Pakistan.
PAKISTAN FIRST.

You are an Indian propagandist.. beginning wo wonder whether you’re on the payroll.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Yet we have Hindus from Pakistan coming to India for refuge after being persecuted.

Shias have been the target of secterian violence in Pakistan for decades.

This is the reason that Kashmir issue has little support among non muslims and shias.

Lies.

DON'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF SHIAS!!!

I'm Shia myself so don't try to put your filthy words in my mouth. Shias are as supportive of the Kashmir struggle as any other Pakistani, since we know better than any minority in Pakistan what oppression by extremists feels like. The Shias will always stand with the Kashmiri brethren in their struggle against oppression by India.

One final fact:
The Father of the Nation, Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah was a Gujarati Khoja Shia himself so it is IMPOSSIBLE for any Pakistani Shia to not support Pakistan's narrative in the Kashmir issue.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol Dont speak on behalf of Shias here. It is your wishful thinking if you believe they dont want to separate from India. Kashmiris are more qualified to speak on this subject than an Indian who is letting his imagination run wild.

ALL the Shias that i know want to have nothing to do with India except 1 who was a die hard fan of tendulkar and used to fight if somebody insulted him. A LOT of them support Pakistan in cricket matches.
Out of the 8% Shias of Kashmir, more than 6% would want to break from India. I am being generous here. Non-Muslims might be 35% but we have to take into consideration Azad Kashmir's population as well.

Shias want nothing to do with the Azaadi Gang or their "freedom fighters" neither do they want anything to do with Pakistan. They have understood where they stand and thats why they have silently distanced themselves. They know that if they openly reject the Azaadi gang, what happened to Pandits will be repeated.

So

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes we do see how India is the shining beacon when it comes to minority rights.

I spoke about a reality which exists in a democratic system. Numbers matter in such a system even if you dont like it.

Numbers matter but so do rights of the people. Muslims were a minority in British India in 1947 but they had they had the right to get a country as they wished.

Slowly you are coming out with your reality, numbers matter thats why Pandits were massacared.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What on Earth are you talking about????????

Listen lad.

I am Shia, my entire family and community is Shia.
The majority of my family still live in Pakistan.
PAKISTAN FIRST.

You are an Indian propagandist.. beginning wo wonder whether you’re on the payroll.

Good on you. But why are you upset about what i say about my fellow Indian shia muslims of Kashmir?

Do i look like i care what you do in your country?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lies.

DON'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF SHIAS!!!

I'm Shia myself so don't try to put your filthy words in my mouth. Shias are as supportive of the Kashmir struggle as any other Pakistani, since we know better than any minority in Pakistan what oppression by extremists feels like. The Shias will always stand with the Kashmiri brethren in their struggle against oppression by India.

One final fact:
The Father of the Nation, Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah was a Gujarati Khoja Shia himself so it is IMPOSSIBLE for any Pakistani Shia to not support Pakistan's narrative in the Kashmir issue.

I am not interested in knowing what you think in your country. Your country your thinking your issues your rules.

I will speak for my fellow Indian Shia muslims. My country my views my fellow countrymen. Shias in J and K dont support the secessionists.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Have you ever wondered why people come at you [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] with such viciousness? Because after almost every set of 7-8 posts you type something that just contradicts whatever you wrote in the first place. The funny thing is that banter & trolling aside your articulation of the said POV is always in a manner which reeks of Cluster~B and Gaslighthing (I'll let you do some Googling here ) - That said, let me just put forth a simple example of deflection tactics that you used very conveniently:

I stated, and be very attentive to what I write here, that "I am not too sure about Kashmir but as I hail from Karachi and I haven't seen any problems between Shias, Sunnis, or any other minorities" - This was in response to you when you quoted [MENTION=142702]UN talkz[/MENTION] who was calling you out on your blatant BJP Agenda! Conveniently you then proceeded to remind me of how Pakistan was not fit for Shais and how they were subjected to "sectarian violence for decades" (Snapshot below)

Shias have been the target of sectarian violence in Pakistan for decades.

This is the reason that Kashmir issue has little support among non muslims and shias.

Ok fair enough, even if I agree that there is 'sectarian violence' against Shias which clearly I have no idea what you're talking about (maybe you're confusing opportunity bias with 'Secretarian violence' - I don't exactly know what they tell you in India) but then why do you immediately change goal posts when other posters call you out on your **?

Good on you. But why are you upset about what I say about my fellow Indian Shia Muslims of Kashmir?

Do I look like I care what you do in your country?

I am not interested in knowing what you think of your country. Your country your thinking your issues your rules.

I will speak for my fellow Indian Shia Muslims. My country my views my fellow countrymen. Shias in J and K don't support the secessionists.

Either stick with your narrative or don't spew nonsense left, right and center. I mean I know this doesn't call for a ban but your baseless rhetoric is doing nothing but bringing the overall quality of the Forum down. Please stop spreading lies as you have no idea what you're talking about neither do you have a clue on the demographics of the region that you're so whelmently defending against.
[MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION] [MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

 

[IMMY69]

I am not interested in knowing what you think in your country. Your country your thinking your issues your rules.

I will speak for my fellow Indian Shia muslims. My country my views my fellow countrymen. Shias in J and K dont support the secessionists.

What on Earth?

You are the one who intimated that Shias are prosecuted in Pakistan “a Sunni majority” country.

You are unravelling very fast here on PP.

 

[IMMY69]

Have you ever wondered why people come at you [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] with such viciousness? Because after almost every set of 7-8 posts you type something that just contradicts whatever you wrote in the first place. The funny thing is that banter & trolling aside your articulation of the said POV is always in a manner which reeks of Cluster~B and Gaslighthing (I'll let you do some Googling here ) - That said, let me just put forth a simple example of deflection tactics that you used very conveniently:

I stated, and be very attentive to what I write here, that "I am not too sure about Kashmir but as I hail from Karachi and I haven't seen any problems between Shias, Sunnis, or any other minorities" - This was in response to you when you quoted [MENTION=142702]UN talkz[/MENTION] who was calling you out on your blatant BJP Agenda! Conveniently you then proceeded to remind me of how Pakistan was not fit for Shais and how they were subjected to "sectarian violence for decades" (Snapshot below)



Ok fair enough, even if I agree that there is 'sectarian violence' against Shias which clearly I have no idea what you're talking about (maybe you're confusing opportunity bias with 'Secretarian violence' - I don't exactly know what they tell you in India) but then why do you immediately change goal posts when other posters call you out on your **?





Either stick with your narrative or don't spew nonsense left, right and center. I mean I know this doesn't call for a ban but your baseless rhetoric is doing nothing but bringing the overall quality of the Forum down. Please stop spreading lies as you have no idea what you're talking about neither do you have a clue on the demographics of the region that you're so whelmently defending against.

[MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION] [MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

Thank you ��

 

[cricketjoshila]

What on Earth?

You are the one who intimated that Shias are prosecuted in Pakistan “a Sunni majority” country.

You are unravelling very fast here on PP.

If only you were there from 2011 to unravel me.

I said Shias have been victims of secterian violence in Pakistan.

And i said that Shias in J and K dont support secession.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What on Earth?

You are the one who intimated that Shias are prosecuted in Pakistan “a Sunni majority” country.

You are unravelling very fast here on PP.

At least he's added 'muslims' to the description of Shias after I pulled him up when he purposely left that out when describing minorities being persecuted in Pakistan yesterday. He's learning fast.

 

[IMMY69]

If only you were there from 2011 to unravel me.

I said Shias have been victims of secterian violence in Pakistan.

And i said that Shias in J and K dont support secession.

You keep digging.

Another member I now have put on my ignore list. Why?
Because there is absolutely no point in having any discussions with somone whose main purpose is solely to defend their country on a cricket forum and their main line is “our country, what has it got to do with you?”

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Have you ever wondered why people come at you [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] with such viciousness? Because after almost every set of 7-8 posts you type something that just contradicts whatever you wrote in the first place. The funny thing is that banter & trolling aside your articulation of the said POV is always in a manner which reeks of Cluster~B and Gaslighthing (I'll let you do some Googling here ) - That said, let me just put forth a simple example of deflection tactics that you used very conveniently:

I stated, and be very attentive to what I write here, that "I am not too sure about Kashmir but as I hail from Karachi and I haven't seen any problems between Shias, Sunnis, or any other minorities" - This was in response to you when you quoted [MENTION=142702]UN talkz[/MENTION] who was calling you out on your blatant BJP Agenda! Conveniently you then proceeded to remind me of how Pakistan was not fit for Shais and how they were subjected to "sectarian violence for decades" (Snapshot below)



Ok fair enough, even if I agree that there is 'sectarian violence' against Shias which clearly I have no idea what you're talking about (maybe you're confusing opportunity bias with 'Secretarian violence' - I don't exactly know what they tell you in India) but then why do you immediately change goal posts when other posters call you out on your **?





Either stick with your narrative or don't spew nonsense left, right and center. I mean I know this doesn't call for a ban but your baseless rhetoric is doing nothing but bringing the overall quality of the Forum down. Please stop spreading lies as you have no idea what you're talking about neither do you have a clue on the demographics of the region that you're so whelmently defending against.

[MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION] [MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

Good articulation of thoughts. Well done.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Have you ever wondered why people come at you [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] with such viciousness? Because after almost every set of 7-8 posts you type something that just contradicts whatever you wrote in the first place. The funny thing is that banter & trolling aside your articulation of the said POV is always in a manner which reeks of Cluster~B and Gaslighthing (I'll let you do some Googling here ) - That said, let me just put forth a simple example of deflection tactics that you used very conveniently:

I stated, and be very attentive to what I write here, that "I am not too sure about Kashmir but as I hail from Karachi and I haven't seen any problems between Shias, Sunnis, or any other minorities" - This was in response to you when you quoted [MENTION=142702]UN talkz[/MENTION] who was calling you out on your blatant BJP Agenda! Conveniently you then proceeded to remind me of how Pakistan was not fit for Shais and how they were subjected to "sectarian violence for decades" (Snapshot below)



Ok fair enough, even if I agree that there is 'sectarian violence' against Shias which clearly I have no idea what you're talking about (maybe you're confusing opportunity bias with 'Secretarian violence' - I don't exactly know what they tell you in India) but then why do you immediately change goal posts when other posters call you out on your **?





Either stick with your narrative or don't spew nonsense left, right and center. I mean I know this doesn't call for a ban but your baseless rhetoric is doing nothing but bringing the overall quality of the Forum down. Please stop spreading lies as you have no idea what you're talking about neither do you have a clue on the demographics of the region that you're so whelmently defending against.

[MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION] [MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

So you deny that shias have been victim of secterian violence in Pakistan?

Whether i am bjp or anything else thats my choice dont need to justify it on PP.As an Indian i can comment on any indian territory including J and K. Bjp btw has 2nd largest votes in J and K.

Thirdly non muslims and shias in J and K dont support secessionism. Thats why hindus were killed in Kashmir.

You are free to disagree.

Oh btw i do not care about the so called viciousness.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You keep digging.

Another member I now have put on my ignore list. Why?
Because there is absolutely no point in having any discussions with somone whose main purpose is solely to defend their country on a cricket forum and their main line is “our country, what has it got to do with you?”

So my country will have to have rules that are according to the wishes of foreigners? LoL

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

their main line is “our country, what has it got to do with you?”

That's where the problem lies. If people want to stay in their little bubble and not let anyone aside from their bretheren engage in meaningful discussions, then that will never get anything done. This applies to everyone, and not just one poster.

 

[Garuda]

I don't know what is the problem if he wants to talk or not. Why bother ?

Only thing is, he shouldn't cry now for mixing "Sports and politics"

 

[90MPH]

CricketJoshila you are very sadly mistaken if you think Shias support India’s (propaganda) narrative on Kashmir.

I don’t know about Indian Shias but there are many Pakistani and Kashmiri Shias who live in my home town and one thing they are all united on is either an independent Kashmir or be united with Pakistan.

But I will guarantee you 95% don’t want anything to do with India - that’s Pakistani or Kashmir Shias I’m talking about from personal experience.

Your government and army has been treating Kashmir’s of all creeds indiscriminantly for decades - do you really believe they ask them if they are Sunni or Shia before they mistreat them ??

They all get mistreated so why would Sunnis (who are the vast majority anyway) disapprove the treatment but Shias accept it ??

India can keep Kashmir strangled and hold their people Hostage like caged animals if it makes them sleep better but understand Kashmiris will never accept Indian rule.

The day even 10% of Kashmiris start supporting India in cricket matches maybe will be the day the tide starts changing but keep dreaming if that even happens - more likely a comet will hit earth.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Do i look like i care what you do in your country?

Don't take this the wrong way, but you are one of the most active posters on this forum. Even if you don't "care" about what happens in Pakistan, you hold a high degree of interest in the events and what's happening in the country.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

CricketJoshila you are very sadly mistaken if you think Shias support India’s (propaganda) narrative on Kashmir.

I don’t know about Indian Shias but there are many Pakistani and Kashmiri Shias who live in my home town and one thing they are all united on is either an independent Kashmir or be united with Pakistan.

But I will guarantee you 95% don’t want anything to do with India - that’s Pakistani or Kashmir Shias I’m talking about from personal experience.

Your government and army has been treating Kashmir’s of all creeds indiscriminantly for decades - do you really believe they ask them if they are Sunni or Shia before they mistreat them ??

They all get mistreated so why would Sunnis (who are the vast majority anyway) disapprove the treatment but Shias accept it ??

India can keep Kashmir strangled and hold their people Hostage like caged animals if it makes them sleep better but understand Kashmiris will never accept Indian rule.

The day even 10% of Kashmiris start supporting India in cricket matches maybe will be the day the tide starts changing but keep dreaming if that even happens - more likely a comet will hit earth.

Ehsan Jafri was the Muslim politician who was hacked to death by sword wielding mobs during the Gujarat riots which took place when Modi was head of the state. He was a Shia, so in answer to your question, no these mobs don't ask whether they ar Shia or Sunni when they mistreat them. Hopefully next time joshila bhai wants to talk about Shias in Pakistan, he will remember Ehsan Mani and wonder why someone who served India could have ended up with such a terrible fate at the hands of religious fanatics.