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dont think Iran came out on top here. A lot of scientists and IRGC top brass were assassinated and many of their TELs were taken out by Israel. Fordow damage is unclear but it sets the facility back by at least an year even if the damage didnt destroy everything.
Only thing they showed was Israel's iron dome isnt really that effective against ballistic missiles and intercepting against barrages of drones and missiles in a convential war cant be kept up for too long. If Iran had kept their launchers and air defense safe they could have done a lot of damage to Israel in those 10 days
Foreign policy wise, neither Russia nor china really came to their aid except for statements. They helped Russia directly in their war in ukraine but Russia didnt return the favour
Israel were clearly running out of defensive measures to stop missiles. Anyone telling you different is an obviously a fool.
A tiny country cannot withstand such targeted attacks, Isreal cannot fight a long war against an enemy that is armed.
Trump saved them but how long can this entity with hostile neighbours really last in the Middle East?
Iran will learn from this but they need to solve the problem of internal sabateours. Mossad has a lot of agents on the ground in Iran supplying them intelligence and carrying out ops.It's a fair clue that Iran wouldn't come out on top of a war when it's the other side which is trying to instigate it. Usually the warmongers are the ones who think they will win it. If Iran wanted war they would have struck israel first directly. For Iran it is a war of defence and survival, they will want to get their defences to a level where they can't be hit at whim by any country which wants complete dominance over the region. For israel they are the ones who need complete dominance, hence they have spent half a century getting their neighbours bombed into submission.
Even the US has depleted its reserves whilst taking down Iranian Missiles.
Ya you have to get the narrative ready for the next strike..push them back years at a time ...degrade the capacity..
Well, the narrative was that “Iran is weeks away from building a nuclear bomb”Ya you have to get the narrative ready for the next strike..push them back years at a time ...degrade the capacity..
Get the terrorists Hamas and Hezbollah
Depose off assad
Kill the Iranian generals and scientist
Bomb the nuke sites
Then hit again..
Step by step ...one at a time without a massive hit that is decapitating and avoid civilian losses...
You tell me other than avoiding total regime change..what did Iran achieve..just one thing ...they can't even protect their jehadi guests of honor
First of all Israel ain't my motherland...they are just another country fighting a country that is quite friendly to India..whole world saw some.iranian missiles hitting Israel...the world is not blind..what are the total casualties in Israel...how many military leaders and scientists died..did Bibi go into hiding like supreme leader...did tehran achieve air dominance over tal Aviv..did they bomb their nuke sites.......just hitting and. Killing civilians isn't strategic ..it's lashing out when you can't hit anything or value....
@straighttalk what’s this?
Your motherland Israel getting banged, whilst Iranian foreign minister in talks with Putin…
I have heard Iran is making. A bomb since Obama tiem.....they ain't making. **** unless the second Islamic bomb is also gifted by China..at least iran HAD nuclear scientist of repute and an engineering culture that they can operate and maintain the devices and won't need Chinese engineers but Israel has been reducing that number tooWell, the narrative was that “Iran is weeks away from building a nuclear bomb”
By next year, it’s clearly too late isn’t it?
Iran will have its bomb and nothing can be done about it.
So then try and make sense of it again.
Deal if Iran. has a bomb before December 2026... I take back my word and accept Israel failed in their objective...can't say Iran won as they got hit badly but accept that they fooled Israel and met their strategic goal and the future calculus is different.Well, the narrative was that “Iran is weeks away from building a nuclear bomb”
By next year, it’s clearly too late isn’t it?
Iran will have its bomb and nothing can be done about it.
So then try and make sense of it again.
“Israel achieving air dominance over Iran….”First of all Israel ain't my motherland...they are just another country fighting a country that is quite friendly to India..whole world saw some.iranian missiles hitting Israel...the world is not blind..what are the total casualties in Israel...how many military leaders and scientists died..did Bibi go into hiding like supreme leader...did tehran achieve air dominance over tal Aviv..did they bomb their nuke sites.......just hitting and. Killing civilians isn't strategic ..it's lashing out when you can't hit anything or value....
Your flip flopping.Deal if Iran. has a bomb before December 2026... I take back my word and accept Israel failed in their objective...can't say Iran won as they got hit badly but accept that they fooled Israel and met their strategic goal and the future calculus is different.
@deltexas challenge still open brotherAn open challenge to you.
Show once where Iran has threatened to wipe the USA off the map?
Jehadi, jehadi jehadi…Not a single coherent thought, just throwing words around and hope something makes sense.![]()
That’s very subjective…of course.Why ? Ask the Islamic mullahs and Khomenei that. They repeatedly made those statements and now when s*** hits the ceiling, they want a ceasefire LOL .. What happened to their river to the sea type of conquest where they will eliminate the satan US off the map.. As Nasser Hussain says, talk is cheap. And regarding british raj - dude thats ancient history. The current gen has nothing to do with it. History should be a guide for making a better future thats all.
Yes .he was giving speechesAccording to @straighttalk
Isreali PM Netanyahu and his military leaders were roaming out in public and not hiding in bunkers or in undisclosed locations…
And the Iranian military chose not to do revenge strikes against them…
Sound like bollox?
Am I or you dont have the guts to strike the deal or take the bet. You clearly said one year is not too late and you are confident Iran will have the bomb. I am increasing the time to 1.5 years and asking you let's see if Iran makes a bomb. They will obviously try and will be bombed to oblivion or they will sign a treaty and that's it. Better idea is to sign a treaty and do it clandestine way. Will see. If they cannot make the bomb in 2 years..that means they are delayed and th bombing was effective. When they get close against..Israel will have to take steps.Your flip flopping.
What’s the narrative which the US/Israel used to bomb Iran?
Were they weeks away from a nuclear bomb or not?
Yup weeks away and now not weeks away. And due to the effective bombing acc to me they can't get it in 1 year as your are claiming. Where is the flip flop..take the challenge and we can revisit in 2 years..let's say June 2027. Happy..make it easier for you to win.Your flip flopping.
What’s the narrative which the US/Israel used to bomb Iran?
Were they weeks away from a nuclear bomb or not?
Israel achieved air dominance is a fact...you are giving a reason. I am not saying Israelinpeope. Are superior. No one is stopping Iran from getting arms from China or Russia..just like Pakistan is.“Israel achieving air dominance over Iran….”
Even Somalia would achieve air dominance over Iran if Somalia are not sanctioned and have 5th gen fighters. That’s not a strong argument. That’s like 2 grown men (Isreal and USA) fighting against an old man with one of his hands tied.
You only followed the war from the lens that suited you.
-Iran did strike Isreali military sites
-Iran did hit strategic sites such as Parliamentary buildings, economic hubs, Mossad HQ
-Iran also hit nuclear sites of Israel
Then again, you will deny all of this because it’s not from the lens you wish to view it from.
Khumeni went into hiding? So he was a genuine target? You wanted Israel to kill the spiritual leader of millions of Shias across the world? Why?? Because he doesn’t allow women to publicize them like West world.
Israeli Pm and their military leaders were out roaming in public and not in bunkers????
What bloody world are you living in???
Give me clear proof that Iran is allowed to buy arms on the level of Israel from Russia or China.No one is stopping Iran from getting arms from China or Russia..just like Pakistan is.
You start with 1000 missiles...fighting happens for 5 days..you use missiles.. stocks will go down..that's normal ..depletion happens when you use stuff... If Iran. Is overwhelming favorite and won the war..then after having its allies designated or overthrown...it's too leaders and scientists killed and it's nuclear sites bombed...why would Iran accept a ceasefire..now is the time to finally hit Israel after taking non stop hits form them for last two years....for Israel it makes sense...they are winning so ..stopping the war helps them as they minimize civilian casualties.What are the silly emojis for?
It was reported in the US Media yesterday.
The General admitted to depleting stocks due to the defence of Isreal in his meeting at the Pentagon.
Doesn't mean that they don't have enough to defend themselves, and he even admitted that. BUT two things stand out..
1. The Isreali's needed the states to shoot down Iranian missiles; 2. this is another cost that the USA just doesn't need at the moment.
May I suggest the Chinese made hq9..the stellar performance of the Pak air defense in operation Sindoor compared to the crap Russian made s400 is something that the Iranians can use to protect their jehadi hqs and airbasesIran will learn from this but they need to solve the problem of internal sabateours. Mossad has a lot of agents on the ground in Iran supplying them intelligence and carrying out ops.
Also they will need to buy a lot of missile launchers as Israel destroyed 60% of their launchers in the first few days of the war. You can have huge missile stockpiles but they are useless without having launchers.
And they need to rethink their air defense. Iranian missile penetration rate was 7-8%, Israelis were getting 40-50% easily and not a single Israeli jet was shot down. Russian air defense is seriously bad, they would be better off buying hardware from the Chinese instead
I don’t bet or make deals.Am I or you dont have the guts to strike the deal or take the bet
May I suggest you look at Israel history and countless wars with multiple Arab countries and how they handled such a victory...highly trained and technology savvy disciplined less corrupt troops with big superpowers backing it .. as long as they control the money..they will keep on winningIsrael were clearly running out of defensive measures to stop missiles. Anyone telling you different is an obviously a fool.
A tiny country cannot withstand such targeted attacks, Isreal cannot fight a long war against an enemy that is armed.
Trump saved them but how long can this entity with hostile neighbours really last in the Middle East?
Sure if you say so..waiting since Obama era for the mythical bomb...if they already have one ..this wouldn't happen. As I said you are claiming something and if you are correct then this attack was ineffective. If not Israel achieved a major startegic victory.I don’t bet or make deals.
I’m telling you Iran will have a nuclear bomb very soon. They may already have one.
Again..you are arguing that Iranian air force is equally capable if they have the same technology. I am not debating that..perhaps yes..perhaps no. We don't know.Iran has sanctions. Israel does not.
Israeli pilots operate F35s, better plains India or Pakistan will bring to a dogfight…
Iran has planes waiting to be shot down in any fight with countries who have no sanctions and afford modern enhanced jets.
Give Iran a level playing field and then talk to me about aerial dominance!
It was 7-8% during first few days of the war when they were mostly sending decoys to tire out the Iron Dome, Sling, Arrow, etc. Penetration went up to 25-30% during the last few days of the war.Iran will learn from this but they need to solve the problem of internal sabateours. Mossad has a lot of agents on the ground in Iran supplying them intelligence and carrying out ops.
Also they will need to buy a lot of missile launchers as Israel destroyed 60% of their launchers in the first few days of the war. You can have huge missile stockpiles but they are useless without having launchers.
And they need to rethink their air defense. Iranian missile penetration rate was 7-8%, Israelis were getting 40-50% easily and not a single Israeli jet was shot down. Russian air defense is seriously bad, they would be better off buying hardware from the Chinese instead
You got no idea what you are talking about. They will never ever publish actual casualty from the missile attack. Even penetrating 30% of their missiles in the last few days got them to a ceasefire deal.First of all Israel ain't my motherland...they are just another country fighting a country that is quite friendly to India..whole world saw some.iranian missiles hitting Israel...the world is not blind..what are the total casualties in Israel...how many military leaders and scientists died..did Bibi go into hiding like supreme leader...did tehran achieve air dominance over tal Aviv..did they bomb their nuke sites.......just hitting and. Killing civilians isn't strategic ..it's lashing out when you can't hit anything or value....
Israel and many other countries will enjoy air dominance over Iran. The thing is, fighters jets are too expensive and are going to be more or less outdated. If you have really really good missiles and drone technology like Iran posses, you can easily negate the air dominance. If you take the population and nukes away, they can even taken on India even without 5th generation fighter jets. In fact, they once ruled you guys.Israel achieved air dominance is a fact...you are giving a reason. I am not saying Israelinpeope. Are superior. No one is stopping Iran from getting arms from China or Russia..just like Pakistan is.
Of course Iran hit back and fired a lot of missiles...please tell me one startegic goal achieved by Iran. Is Israel militarily incapable ..did they give up on Palestine..are they stopping the war against Hamas and Hezbollah .did any Israeli military leader or scientist die. The only deterrence and it's not proven is that by inflicting urban area damage and small casualties they did make civilian life risky and inflicted a cost. That cost is a given in any war. There will be an impact on life.
It has been categorically stated by Israel and us than Khomeni was a target. He is a ruthless leader and a despot. For considerations you mentioned and to give the regime a self preservation off ramp...he was not targeted but if the top general is a target so is a dictator..just because he is a religious head..doesn't make him any different from Saddam or Gaddafi. I would liken him more as the vhp or rss leader proclaiming himself as the leader of Hindu..just because he claims so..we dont need to accept his dogmatic views or consider him our spiritual leader.
Again, you still got no idea what you are talking about. Israel cannot do whatever it wants even with air dominance. You dont need 5th generation fighter jets(although having few is a bonus) if you have really good missile programs like Iran do. You cant win war by simply going on air attacks, while your home country is getting under seized with missile barrage.Again..you are arguing that Iranian air force is equally capable if they have the same technology. I am not debating that..perhaps yes..perhaps no. We don't know.
What matters is that due to technology money or people..Israel can do whatever it wants over tehran skies with low risk. That means Israel has a major advantage in this war. So asides from the cause ..it's a clear victory. That is mainly because of the reasons you outlined.
But in reality ifs and buts dont matter
So you want to say USA and Israel s missiles are duds and can't hit anything. Fact is Israel and USA has better air defense and can't intercept a lot of these missiles. For one hit that Israel takes..it can easily dish out 10 more. They are killing top generals and highly protected areas for fun...just decided to let the supreme leader be alive..this is not even a comparison.Israel and many other countries will enjoy air dominance over Iran. The thing is, fighters jets are too expensive and are going to be more or less outdated. If you have really really good missiles and drone technology like Iran posses, you can easily negate the air dominance. If you take the population and nukes away, they can even taken on India even without 5th generation fighter jets. In fact, they once ruled you guys.
Strategic Goals achieved by Iran?
-Demonstrated they can hit anywhere within their missile range. They dont need expensive jets to achieve this. Although, having something like F-35 is a huge bonus.
-Demonstrated that they have the stamina for a longer war compared to Israel.
-Regime still intact.
-US cannot have them target their established bases in the middle east.
Good lord..north Korea has nukes..next argument pleaseAgain, you still got no idea what you are talking about. Israel cannot do whatever it wants even with air dominance. You dont need 5th generation fighter jets(although having few is a bonus) if you have really good missile programs like Iran do. You cant win war by simply going on air attacks, while your home country is getting under seized with missile barrage.
Why do you think the West is afraid to attack North Korea? Do they have 5th generation stealth fighter jets?
Okk ...point taken .why did Iran sign the ceasefire of they are winning after losing Hamas hezbollah assad general scientist and nuclear reactor...You got no idea what you are talking about. They will never ever publish actual casualty from the missile attack. Even penetrating 30% of their missiles in the last few days got them to a ceasefire deal.
After reading this, Iran deserves every Chithrol it got from Israel. Such a deluded bunch of muppets. That fact that Indians were at the forefront of online propaganda for the Israelis just went unnoticed by these fools. No wonder Mosad took them out from the inside.
You don't get it..do you..most Indians have friendly relationship with both Iran and Israel but unlike you guys we are not in it for religious reasons...so while you selectively moan deaths and destruction..we call out your hypocrisy and just state the facts of what is happening ...we really do not care if Israel loses or Iran loses but the funny part is you care if Iran loses and have a lot going on if in the remote chance Israel loses.After reading this, Iran deserves every Chithrol it got from Israel. Such a deluded bunch of muppets. That fact that Indians were at the forefront of online propaganda for the Israelis just went unnoticed by these fools. No wonder Mosad took them out from the inside.
Iran doesn’t have money issuesThe thing is, fighters jets are too expensive and are going to be more or less outdated
After reading this, Iran deserves every Chithrol it got from Israel. Such a deluded bunch of muppets. That fact that Indians were at the forefront of online propaganda for the Israelis just went unnoticed by these fools. No wonder Mosad took them out from the inside.
No one says US and Israel missiles are duds. Israel can fight long wars against pseudo military like Hamas and Hezbollah, however, not against semi decent military power. Do you have any idea the the extent of damage and money just 12 days of war cost them? Ceasefire was beneficial for both countries, Iran wasnt looking to be the aggressor in this war.So you want to say USA and Israel s missiles are duds and can't hit anything. Fact is Israel and USA has better air defense and can't intercept a lot of these missiles. For one hit that Israel takes..it can easily dish out 10 more. They are killing top generals and highly protected areas for fun...just decided to let the supreme leader be alive..this is not even a comparison.
I see Israel fighting for two years..killing Hamas and Hezbollah deposing assad killing top generals and nuclear scientists and sites...and they can't fight long but Iran can and after getting blasted out...they accepted the ceasefire just when Israel is running out of stamina. The surviving generals should die of stupidity of that's the case. Kabhi to think before you write something that makes sense.
Ya regime still intact because no one seriously wanted to overthrow the regime and have a more dangerous mullah in power. Stopping nukes is the purpose..not actually regime change.
Forget Iran..there is no power in the world that can compete with USA if the metric of victory is destruction and not nations building or regime change. It's laughable to even say that is can't take on Iran....
Again not all Muslims are alike. Majority of the Muslims nations in the middle east has a peace treaty with Israel.You don't get it..do you..most Indians have friendly relationship with both Iran and Israel but unlike you guys we are not in it for religious reasons...so while you selectively moan deaths and destruction..we call out your hypocrisy and just state the facts of what is happening ...we really do not care if Israel loses or Iran loses but the funny part is you care if Iran loses and have a lot going on if in the remote chance Israel loses.
I feel like whole world is naive with India.
India play all sorts of dirty games (spreading misinformation, unethical practices etc.) but they get a lot of free passes.![]()
You do care and we see it every time there is a conflict involving muslims. The Indian bots come out in full force.You don't get it..do you..most Indians have friendly relationship with both Iran and Israel but unlike you guys we are not in it for religious reasons...so while you selectively moan deaths and destruction..we call out your hypocrisy and just state the facts of what is happening ...we really do not care if Israel loses or Iran loses but the funny part is you care if Iran loses and have a lot going on if in the remote chance Israel loses.
See there is a subtle difference...you fight for religion..we fight against terrorism.You do care and we see it every time there is a conflict involving muslims. The Indian bots come out in full force.
Iranian bombastic attitude towards their own capabilities has got them to this point, weak and vulnerable and worse still unable to understand the course correction they desperately need. They still hope to use their version of religion to widen their influence in neighbouring countries which previously has led to deaths of hundreds of thousands. Whilst busy helping foment trouble in Pakistan, it was I suppose poetic justice that Mossad infiltrated them right under their noses and their military leadership dying like flies, not comprehending what was going on.
See there is a subtle difference...you fight for religion..we fight against terrorism
I know the g7 invite hurt you badly..so much for diplomatic isolation story..maybe request you get an invite next time after they get one themselvesNo actually you do both, the fact that you have a butcher of Gujrat as your PM is a testament to that.
No one indulges your narrative anymore. The G7 bezti of getting invite at last minute and then only invited to come when everyone was preparing to depart and now at SCO....