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Result : South Africa v England | 2nd Test | Jan 2-6, 2016 | Cape Town | Match Drawn

Both Amla and de Villiers are one of the most overrated cricketers of all time.
 
If S.A can get to close without losing a wicket they might start to feel they have a chance of saving this match.
 
Mamoon said:
Both Amla and de Villiers are one of the most overrated cricketers of all time.
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Don't know about Amla but yes AB is definitely an overrated cricketer. It requires an aura to be called overrated and he certainly has one..
 
Mamoon said:
Both Amla and de Villiers are one of the most overrated cricketers of all time.
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They're so overrated that people think they are two different people but in reality, they are one and the same. Their records should be divided by two.

Meanwhile, Cook is an ATG. :))
 
I think ABdV is the best batsman since Sir Viv Richards.

Anyway, same field for Zippy as for Hash :45: Wake up, Chef!
 
There have been some shockingly bad dropped catches in this game which has helped quite a few batsmen flourish in the game so far.
 
Amjid Javed said:
There have been some shockingly bad dropped catches in this game which has helped quite a few batsmen flourish in the game so far.
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But when catches dropped will matter...I don't think Stokes or Bairstow dropped early compared to AB & Amla.
 
6.5 sessions to go in this game. If it comes to it, I think South Africa can bat out 2.5 of those in their second innings to eke out a draw. The question then becomes how long the South African's first innings will last and how long, if at all, will England bat in their second.
 
dandapinda said:
But India series and overall averages tells different story :)
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In tests I don't remember that any iconic or clutch knocks from AB. In ODIS he is way ahead of everybody but in tests I don't remember many great knocks from him. Mostly it's been Kallis Smith N Amla with the clutch and game defining knocks. AB batting at 5 hasn't helped him. Often he came in when a great platform had already been set.

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This 'soft hands' approach from Amla is pretty smart. Kohli should employ this to counter his weakness.
 
I think S.A will have avoided the follow on by close of play today.
 
AB is a very good Test Bat but I can't remember that many great Test innings from him. Or game or series defining knocks.

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Watching the match now, any spin that was available in the first day was not to be seen now.
 
Bilal7 said:
They're so overrated that people think they are two different people but in reality, they are one and the same. Their records should be divided by two.

Meanwhile, Cook is an ATG. :))
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Yes, Cook is. Covers all basis, and has starred in series wins in Australia and England and has the opportunity to conquer SA as well. Was the best player in Australia, best player and captain in India and captain in SA. All before/just after the age of 30. Not to forget an enviable record in Asia overall.

That's a dream career for an Englishman. Not to mention one of the fittest cricketer in 150 years of Test cricket - has played over 120 Tests in 10 years and is never injured, and still manages to bat for longer periods than others.

Sir Alaistair Cook, you have my utmost respect. :bow:
 
dandapinda said:
http://m.timesofindia.com/sports/in...liers-10-of-his-best/articleshow/49765746.cms
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Some very good knocks in there. His best knock for me was the one against Mitch in 2014. His ODI exploits have always taken my attention. In tests I've always seen Kallis Smith n Amla as the main guys for them. And AB the icing on the cake. The guy who comes in at 250/3 and smashes a quickfire hundred to demoralise the opposition and shut them out the game. But he has shown here does have different gears in his game. I'm sure he will end up as a Test ATG.

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Bilal7 said:
This 'soft hands' approach from Amla is pretty smart. Kohli should employ this to counter his weakness.
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That is actually his weakness. He needs to avoid needlessly poking into deliveries around the off stump.
 
Mamoon said:
You sure do fancy his soft hands.
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Yes, it is a good cricket tactic.

Mamoon said:
Yes, Cook is. Covers all basis, and has starred in series wins in Australia and England and has the opportunity to conquer SA as well. Was the best player in Australia, best player and captain in India and captain in SA. All before/just after the age of 30. Not to forget an enviable record in Asia overall.

That's a dream career for an Englishman. Not to mention one of the fittest cricketer in 150 years of Test cricket - has played over 120 Tests in 10 years and is never injured, and still manages to bat for longer periods than others.

Sir Alaistair Cook, you have my utmost respect. :bow:
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KP was the best player in that series against India. Captain in South Africa? You mean this series? What has he done here exactly?

That Ashes series is the only series where he was the best English player. He needs a whole lot more than one series to be called an ATG, especially when you consider that he is an abject failure in ODIs and his captaincy is average. Not an ATG right now.
 
street cricketer said:
That is actually his weakness. He needs to avoid needlessly poking into deliveries around the off stump.
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It doesn't matter how many he edges, they don't carry to the slips because of this. What it doesn't allow him to do is play those powerful, flowing drives that someone like Moeen or Kohli does. However, he times the ball well enough to get the job done.

Wonderful player to watch.
 
Bilal7 said:
Yes, it is a good cricket tactic.



KP was the best player in that series against India. Captain in South Africa? You mean this series? What has he done here exactly?

That Ashes series is the only series where he was the best English player. He needs a whole lot more than one series to be called an ATG, especially when you consider that he is an abject failure in ODIs and his captaincy is average. Not an ATG right now.
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Cook was, Pietersen wasn't. He played the best knock of the series in Mumbai, but Cook was the best player overall - 3 hundreds in 4 matches, no one came close.
 
Amla seems to be the most popular cricketer in Cape Town. Getting the loudest pops and that Beard Band yesterday was hilarious! :amla
 
Mamoon said:
Cook was, Pietersen wasn't. He played the best knock of the series in Mumbai, but Cook was the best player overall - 3 hundreds in 4 matches, no one came close.
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Cook's innings were not match-winning. KP played the knocks that hurt India and gave the advantage to England. Cook also had the luxury to open the batting in that series. Stop overrating him.
 
Bilal7 said:
Cook's innings were not match-winning. KP played the knocks that hurt India and gave the advantage to England. Cook also had the luxury to open the batting in that series. Stop overrating him.
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England couldn't have won the series without him, the way he batted for long periods and stifled their spinners innings after innings was the difference, Ashwin couldn't get past him while the Indian batsmen couldn't do the same against Swann and Monty. No matter how you spin it, Cook was comfortably the best player in that series. Pietersen had one good knock only, albeit best of the series.

Stop underrating him.
 
Cook was also the part of one of the most shameless defeat of Eng in Australia. Oops, he was the captain. 0-5 whitewash is seriously a legendary stuff..
 
Mamoon said:
England couldn't have won the series without him, the way he batted for long periods and stifled their spinners innings after innings was the difference, Ashwin couldn't get past him while the Indian batsmen couldn't do the same against Swann and Monty. No matter how you spin it, Cook was comfortably the best player in that series. Pietersen had one good knock only, albeit best of the series.

Stop underrating him.
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He was the supporting Robin to KP's Batman. He had a role to play but he was definitely not the best player in that series. Heck, I would put Monty and Swann ahead of Cook.
 
Bilal7 said:
He was the supporting Robin to KP's Batman. He had a role to play but he was definitely not the best player in that series. Heck, I would put Monty and Swann ahead of Cook.
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Yes you will, you would have sung praises if it was Amla bhai instead of Cook.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, Cook is. Covers all basis, and has starred in series wins in Australia and England and has the opportunity to conquer SA as well. Was the best player in Australia, best player and captain in India and captain in SA. All before/just after the age of 30. Not to forget an enviable record in Asia overall.
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Cook has been sorted out by the good quick men. Fullish, outside off and he nicks it and the quicks know this. They also know that if they drop short he will cut and pull them all day, so they don't any more. His challenge is to keep improving, as Smith did after Hoggard sussed him out for a bit.

Excellent player of spin but Gooch was better overall because he stood up to the WI war machine.
 
Bilal7 said:
Cook's innings were not match-winning. KP played the knocks that hurt India and gave the advantage to England. Cook also had the luxury to open the batting in that series. Stop overrating him.
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Cook was absolutely crucial to the England win in India. He showed England how to play after they lost the first test. Big runs at the top of the order take the pressure off the men in the middle.
 
Robert said:
Cook has been sorted out by the good quick men. Fullish, outside off and he nicks it and the quicks know this. They also know that if they drop short he will cut and pull them all day, so they don't any more. His challenge is to keep improving, as Smith did after Hoggard sussed him out for a bit.

Excellent player of spin but Gooch was better overall because he stood up to the WI war machine.
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No player has a perfect record. He makes up for his weakness against high quality pace with his excellence against spin.
 
A quite brilliant over from Alex Hales, looks like we've unearthed yet another spinning gem.

His economy rate of 1 so superior to other bowlers in this game.

First ball of second over completely foxes Amla.
 
Robert said:
Cook was absolutely crucial to the England win in India. He showed England how to play after they lost the first test. Big runs at the top of the order take the pressure off the men in the middle.
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I never denied this. His innings were definitely important, supporting knocks. KP was simply the star of that series, not Cook.

Mamoon said:
I would have said the same.
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And I am Donald Trump.
 
Top knocks from Amla and AB. Eng would be ruing those dropped catches. Having said that tough to see a side taking 20 wickets on this track.
 
Bilal7 said:
I never denied this. His innings were definitely important, supporting knocks. KP was simply the star of that series, not Cook.



And I am Donald Trump.
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Star of the series thanks to 1 great knock in 8 innings. :23:
 
Strike Rate said:
For once i agree with you ABD maybe a better bat than all current players in all formats combined but in this format he is behind many.
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disagree. On T20I he's average at best. he's so overrated due to his 360 degree skill. Even in IPL he don't have a stellar record.
 
Mamoon said:
Pietersen is famous for ATG knocks, that's nothing new. Cook has played brilliant knocks as well, educate yourself.
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He was brilliance personified and totally stood up to MJ in that Ashes series. He was also brilliant against Saeed Ajmal and Abdur Rehman in 2012 or even the series against South Africa with the #1 ranking on the line.

Definitely someone who steps up against the best opposition and doesn't just feast on India at home.
 
Bilal7 said:
He was brilliance personified and totally stood up to MJ in that Ashes series. He was also brilliant against Saeed Ajmal and Abdur Rehman in 2012 or even the series against South Africa with the #1 ranking on the line.

Definitely someone who steps up against the best opposition and doesn't just feast on India at home.
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Did KP stand up to either MJ or Rehman/Ajmal?
 
Bilal7 said:
I never denied this. His innings were definitely important, supporting knocks. KP was simply the star of that series, not Cook.
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I thought it was a team effort. Equally big contributions came from Cook, KP, Bell, Prior, Swann and Monty.
 
Bilal7 said:
He was brilliance personified and totally stood up to MJ in that Ashes series. He was also brilliant against Saeed Ajmal and Abdur Rehman in 2012 or even the series against South Africa with the #1 ranking on the line.

Definitely someone who steps up against the best opposition and doesn't just feast on India at home.
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Who stood up to MJ in his purple patch? None, except de Villiers. In 2012, he was the only English player close to scoring a hundred. No player has a perfect record.
 
Cook has a ton against a rampant Muralitharan. That negates any failures against the javelin thrower Ajmal and the mediocre Rehman.
 
Mamoon said:
Who stood up to MJ in his purple patch? None, except de Villiers. In 2012, he was the only English player close to scoring a hundred. No player has a perfect record.
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Amla and de Villiers did. Both averaged 50+ in the series that South Africa eventually lost. Of course, you won't acknowledge that, which proves your earlier statement false. Prior was England's best batsman in that series and Cook was nowhere to be seen in the biggest series of this decade, thus far.

Cook has ways to go before his record is good enough for an ATG.
 
Bilal7 said:
Amla and de Villiers did. Both averaged 50+ in the series that South Africa eventually lost. Of course, you won't acknowledge that, which proves your earlier statement false. Prior was England's best batsman in that series and Cook was nowhere to be seen in the biggest series of this decade, thus far.

Cook has ways to go before his record is good enough for an ATG.
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Amla bhai had one good knock and none faced them in Australia like Cook did. Cook would have done well in one or two innings had he faced him in England.

Would have loved to see Amla bhai negate a red-hot Johnson in Australia.
 
Bilal7 said:
He stood up to McWarne and he played a great knock in the series that you conveniently left out.
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Cook played in that series? No he did not. I was talking about the series that both Cook and KP played together. Besides, KP took on Mcwarne when they were declining and well past their peaks
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Cook played in that series? No he did not. I was talking about the series that both Cook and KP played together. Besides, KP took on Mcwarne when they were declining and well past their peaks
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In an Ashes series Cook scored 766 runs while KP scored 360
 
South Africa should draw this test now. They have 17 wickets in hand and only have to bat out 6 sessions. Plus, England will probably bat again. Great rear-guard effort from the Proteas.

Hopefully, Steyn will be fit for Jo'Burg.
 
Mamoon said:
Amla bhai had one good knock and none faced them in Australia like Cook did. Cook would have done well in one or two innings had he faced him in England.

Would have loved to see Amla bhai negate a red-hot Johnson in Australia.
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Amla pummeled MJ during his 196, in Perth. MJ wasn't at his peak during that match but there is nothing to suggest that he would have failed against Johnson.

Nikhil_cric said:
Cook played in that series? No he did not. I was talking about the series that both Cook and KP played together. Besides, KP took on Mcwarne when they were declining and well past their peaks
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So? KP has shined in several series in his career. How many has Cook starred in? Home series against the hapless Indians don't count.
 
Bilal7 said:
Amla pummeled MJ during his 196, in Perth. MJ wasn't at his peak during that match but there is nothing to suggest that he would have failed against Johnson.



So? KP has shined in several series in his career. How many has Cook starred in? Home series against the hapless Indians don't count.
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What about a series where he scored 760??
 
No there is. Don't be convenient.

Johnson in his 13/14 purple patch was at a completely different level.

Believe what you will. Amla bhai also has the luxury of having Steyn in his team.
 
Mamoon said:
No there is. Don't be convenient.

Johnson in his 13/14 purple patch was at a completely different level.

Believe what you will. Amla bhai also has the luxury of having Steyn in his team.
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MJ bowled better in that series against South Africa than he was in the series earlier. Amla still scored a sublime century and had a couple of decent/good innings apart from that. He was also never dismissed by MJ, IIRC.

dandapinda said:
What about a series where he scored 760??
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That's one. One I already mentioned earlier.
 
great knock or iconic innings is bull ****. consistency and longevity make an atg player.
 
Yes, he bowled better because Amla bhai scored runs. Just like all the pitches he scores on immediately become more tougher to bat.
 
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