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Rethink needed for Pakistan's spin-bowling attack

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Bilal is not a long term option while Yasir seems to be on his last legs.In order to win in Asia your spin attack needs to pull its weight in Pakistan has to rethink its spin combination or we will not win much in UAE last series we were saved by a freak series by Abbas NZ has done their homework well on him.

Food for thought.
 
Sarfraz doesn't have any faith in Bilal. No use in selecting him anymore. Time to bring Gohar in.
 
Bilal Asif has been a passenger since his 6-fer on debut.
 
Hafeez has been bizarrely underbowled too. What's the point of his selection as an "all rounder" ?
 
Each spinner has his 3-4 year peak.
Ajmal
Yasir
Kaneria
Mushi
Saiqi
Qasim
Qadir

All had 3/4 year peaks and then thats it. M
That is why no spinner from pakistan has ever taken 300 test wickets.
 
For some reason Pak spinners have very short life maybe it’s lack of fitness but there has to be a reason
 
What people fail to understand is that UAE doesn't have the rank turned of India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh - maybe not even similar to the spinning pitches of the Caribbean. Yes, spinners have found success in the Emirates but that is largely for 2 reasons;

1) The theory that UAE is more spinner friendly is false and heresy. The main reason as to why spinners have done well in the UAE is because Middle-Eastern conditions are not meant for a sport like Test cricket, especially fast bowling. Running in and out for 5 days in the UAE heat desert heat is an extremely strenuous job. Spinners have it comparatively easier, just a couple of steps into the pitch, a roll of the arm and you're done. But to run in for 20-25 overs a day and give it all you have is a different ball game. And YET, not all spinners have done well, and that brings me to my second point.

2) The bowlers who picked wickets in Test matches were bowlers who were performing throughout the world on every single pitch they played. Saeed Ajmal and Yasir Shah are notable mentions. Both have had a history of performing not only in the UAE but also Sri Lanka and the UK, and were overall decent travellers.

Therefore, the analogy that UAE is like the rank turners of India where Dean Elgar takes 6 wicket hauls for fun or the land mines of India where Kraigg Braithewaite takes 6-fers is false and quite frankly, expecting too much of the bowlers.

Fast bowlers have done considerably well in the shorter formats of game in the UAE (played on the same pitches) which goes onto show that in short bursts and small stints, even fast bowlers have a lot to offer but 9 hours a day, for 5 days in the UAE climate is harder than running a marathon.

Bowlers who have done well in the UAE were actually good bowlers, like Abbas, Ajmal and Yasir. The latter is only playing his 3rd game since his comeback and looks quite unfit, maybe that is why his game isn't the way we are accustomed to.
 
Yasir Shah does not look fit.

We do need a leggie. How about Shadab Khan?
 
where the hell did Shahzaib ahmed khan , karamat Ali etc go
 
Less than an year ago, Yasir Shah was the second coming of Shane Warne and Ravi Ashwin was not fit to tie his boot lace.
 
Shadab needs to play instead of Bilal Asif

Asif has been average since the 6-fer
 
This is what I said in the match thread yesterday.

Selecting someone like Bilal Asif goes to show how pathetically poor Pakistan's domestic level is that they can't produce decent off spinners in all these years.
 
Yasir is a fantastic spinner - with Pakistani fans, they simply don’t consider the bigger picture ie dip in form, phases, confidence issues etc.

However Yasir needs more support. The co spinners need to be looked into. We need someone like Irfan or a off-spinner; genuine wicket taker.
 
Irrfan Jailer (SLA) with 4 wickets today against Eng Lions. Time to get him in asap as Zafar and Irfan Junior are out of consideration.
 
Gohar and asghar need to be given a chance or even bhatti bc yasir needs another attacking option, especially since hafeez will play anyway
 
Shadab will be back in SA tests, maybe in 3rd test vs NZ. Irfan Khan/Zafar Gohar could have been useful here instead of Bilal but sadly they are not on selectors' radar.
 
We definitely need another support spinner to yasir Sarfraz doesnt seem to have confidence in bilal

Its totally unreasonable to expect yasir to wheel away from one end and win games on his own
 
Hafeez has been bizarrely underbowled too. What's the point of his selection as an "all rounder" ?

the innings have been so short, and there's already 2.5 other spinners so there really hasn't been much of a need for Hafeez

plus I think they want to keep his bowling to a minimum because he's at high risk of being called for his action again.. seems like they want to preserve his bowling till the WC
 
Bring in Gohar. He can bowl better than Bilal. He can bat better than Bilal. It's a no brainer.
 
Sohail has been overused in this match in my opinion, Yasir Shah probably still has a couple of years in him but Pakistan need to manage his workload, bring in someone like Gohar or Irfan for dead rubbers or as support bowlers to make the transition easier.
 
the innings have been so short, and there's already 2.5 other spinners so there really hasn't been much of a need for Hafeez

plus I think they want to keep his bowling to a minimum because he's at high risk of being called for his action again.. seems like they want to preserve his bowling till the WC

Will Hafeez even make it to the WC ? His MO is whenever his batting form dips, as it'll likely do so in South Africa, he rechristens himself as an all-rounder whose offspin is indispensable.

But if he's not going to bowl for fear of being called again, then he has to merit a place as a specialist batsman which we know he doesn't. That's the problem with short term fixes - they're just that.
 
Don't know when the management will learn, that you need genuine spinners in your team and especially in Tests!

Bilal isn't doing well, then they'll call up Shadab or Nawaz because they can bat a bit or someone like an Imad, who can bat and does a holding job.

Bring in Zafar, Asghar, Shahzaib or even that Sla M. Irfan playing in the A game.
 
Pakistan should be looking to get in spinners who can flight and get wickets , whether they can bat or not.
 
Not a major issue. Bilal's haul v Aus was due to some very poor shots from the bastmen. He's decent but not good enough for test cricket.

Drop him and bring in a wicket taking spinner, there are plenty around.
 
Bilal has been nothing but a disappointment, especially the way some fans were going on about him. I genuinely would've just stayed with Shadab, or play Zafar Gohar/Moh. Irfan/Asghar.

I suppose it'll be easier for Irfan to come in as he's already playing the A game right opposite the ground anyway.
 
Today Sarfraz used Yasir well. Yasir needs to bowl long spells to get wickets and find his rhythm. He was being taken off after shorter spells before this. Against Australia in the first test, Yasir was visibly rusty, but he's getting better since then. I hope he continues to use him in long spells rather than 5-8 over spells here and there like he does.
 
What people fail to understand is that UAE doesn't have the rank turned of India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh - maybe not even similar to the spinning pitches of the Caribbean. Yes, spinners have found success in the Emirates but that is largely for 2 reasons;

1) The theory that UAE is more spinner friendly is false and heresy. The main reason as to why spinners have done well in the UAE is because Middle-Eastern conditions are not meant for a sport like Test cricket, especially fast bowling. Running in and out for 5 days in the UAE heat desert heat is an extremely strenuous job. Spinners have it comparatively easier, just a couple of steps into the pitch, a roll of the arm and you're done. But to run in for 20-25 overs a day and give it all you have is a different ball game. And YET, not all spinners have done well, and that brings me to my second point.

2) The bowlers who picked wickets in Test matches were bowlers who were performing throughout the world on every single pitch they played. Saeed Ajmal and Yasir Shah are notable mentions. Both have had a history of performing not only in the UAE but also Sri Lanka and the UK, and were overall decent travellers.

Therefore, the analogy that UAE is like the rank turners of India where Dean Elgar takes 6 wicket hauls for fun or the land mines of India where Kraigg Braithewaite takes 6-fers is false and quite frankly, expecting too much of the bowlers.

Fast bowlers have done considerably well in the shorter formats of game in the UAE (played on the same pitches) which goes onto show that in short bursts and small stints, even fast bowlers have a lot to offer but 9 hours a day, for 5 days in the UAE climate is harder than running a marathon.

Bowlers who have done well in the UAE were actually good bowlers, like Abbas, Ajmal and Yasir. The latter is only playing his 3rd game since his comeback and looks quite unfit, maybe that is why his game isn't the way we are accustomed to.

This has my vote for POTW
 
What people fail to understand is that UAE doesn't have the rank turned of India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh - maybe not even similar to the spinning pitches of the Caribbean. Yes, spinners have found success in the Emirates but that is largely for 2 reasons;

1) The theory that UAE is more spinner friendly is false and heresy. The main reason as to why spinners have done well in the UAE is because Middle-Eastern conditions are not meant for a sport like Test cricket, especially fast bowling. Running in and out for 5 days in the UAE heat desert heat is an extremely strenuous job. Spinners have it comparatively easier, just a couple of steps into the pitch, a roll of the arm and you're done. But to run in for 20-25 overs a day and give it all you have is a different ball game. And YET, not all spinners have done well, and that brings me to my second point.

2) The bowlers who picked wickets in Test matches were bowlers who were performing throughout the world on every single pitch they played. Saeed Ajmal and Yasir Shah are notable mentions. Both have had a history of performing not only in the UAE but also Sri Lanka and the UK, and were overall decent travellers.

Therefore, the analogy that UAE is like the rank turners of India where Dean Elgar takes 6 wicket hauls for fun or the land mines of India where Kraigg Braithewaite takes 6-fers is false and quite frankly, expecting too much of the bowlers.

Fast bowlers have done considerably well in the shorter formats of game in the UAE (played on the same pitches) which goes onto show that in short bursts and small stints, even fast bowlers have a lot to offer but 9 hours a day, for 5 days in the UAE climate is harder than running a marathon.

Bowlers who have done well in the UAE were actually good bowlers, like Abbas, Ajmal and Yasir. The latter is only playing his 3rd game since his comeback and looks quite unfit, maybe that is why his game isn't the way we are accustomed to.

Brilliant analysis never saw it that way
 
Is the Irfan currently playing for Pakistan A the one you guys speak highly about? [MENTION=142670]mak36[/MENTION] [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]
 
Is the Irfan currently playing for Pakistan A the one you guys speak highly about? [MENTION=142670]mak36[/MENTION] [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]

No. This is the SLAO bowler who goes by the nickname "jailer" and plays for Lahore Whites. Have written about him here: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...t-armers-Where-are-they&p=9954903#post9954903

He's a decent bowler. Footage of him here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdQf8c9eEPY

The one I speak highly about is the legspinner M Irfan (Khan).
 
The way our fickle posters are yet again pinning their hopes onto another Messiah represents everything that is wrong with the system. Change needs to come in the form of the departure of Azhar Ali, Mohammad Hafeez and Asad Shafiq. The bowlers have done their job. Sure, give Zafar Goher a chance but to manifest all chances of survival on the shoulders of a twenty-something kid is living in a fools paradise.
 
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