"Ricky Ponting and Jacques Kallis were the best batsmen of my time" : Kevin Pietersen

[Snatch]

In the same interview that KP gave his bets bowler as Asif, he said there were two candidates for best batsmen, Ponting and Kallis.

He also went on to say Kallis was by far the best cricketer of his generation.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

They were best post 2005.

 

[Abdul]

Hardly relevant what this reject says.

 

[Snatch]

Hardly relevant what this reject says.

Why not? Just because he can be a confident and possibly arrogant individual at times means we aren't interested in his cricketing opinions? That seems a little small minded doesn't it?

Almost suggesting his opinion would be welcomed if he was a better guy.

 

[Abdul]

Why not? Just because he can be a confident and possibly arrogant individual at times means we aren't interested in his cricketing opinions? That seems a little small minded doesn't it?

Almost suggesting his opinion would be welcomed if he was a better guy.

Yes, that's true. His opinion would be more welcomed if he was a better guy.

 

[Snatch]

Yes, that's true. His opinion would be more welcomed if he was a better guy.

I don't see it that way, but each to their own. I welcome the opinion of mavericks, in fact usually you get a more interesting candid and honest answer from them.

 

[Snatch]

In Ponting's podcast by the same guy, the talked about the fact Ponting wasn't dismissed for 2 years playing junior Tasmanian cricket. He also scored 2 hundreds when he was 11 in a representative under 16 tournament. What a natural talent he was. Still the best player of the short ball I can recall. Savage on the hook and pull.

 

[Justcrazy]

Its his opinion , but Pointing is no doubt a great of the game. Was a tertific player , absolute treat to watch.

 

[Convict]

Hardly relevant what this reject says.

How is it irrelevant?

His personality has nothing to do with his opinions on cricket.

I'll also point out that for the first five years of Pietersens career (2005-2010), Ricky Ponting scored 5917 runs in 68 tests with 19 centuries.

Over the first three years of Pietersens career Ponting scored 4251 runs in 43 tests at an average of 62.5 with 17 centuries.

So yeah KP made his debut right in the middle of Pontings peak years and Ponting's peak was one of the best peaks of all time.

I rate Tendulkar is the better batsman overall but in the first decade of this century, Ponting was clearly the best batsman.

 

[Snatch]

How is it irrelevant?

His personality has nothing to do with his opinions on cricket.

I'll also point out that for the first five years of Pietersens career (2005-2010), Ricky Ponting scored 5917 runs in 68 tests with 19 centuries.

Over the first three years of Pietersens career Ponting scored 4251 runs in 43 tests at an average of 62.5 with 17 centuries.

So yeah KP made his debut right in the middle of Pontings peak years and Ponting's peak was one of the best peaks of all time.

I rate Tendulkar is the better batsman overall but in the first decade of this century, Ponting was clearly the best batsman.

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I personally rate Ponting, Lara & Sangakkara slightly ahead of Kallis and Tendulkar as Test batsmen, but I have no problem with people like you thinking Tendulkar was the best, nor do I have a problem with those who think Kallis is the best of that very even group.

But man, you are right, Ponting & Kallis were the best two of the 2000s, didn't realise Punter averaged nearly 60. Incredible batsman, and that was coming in at number 3, which is a more challenging position than number 4.

 

[Chrish]

Nothing surprising given their peak time..

 

[Bilal7]

1) Lara
2) Sachin/Ponting
3) Ponting/Sachin
4) Kallis
5) Sangakkara
6) Dravid
7) Smith
8) Inzamam
9) Pietersen
10) Chanderpaul

These are the best batsmen to have batted after the turn of the millennium, in my opinion. Amla and Younis will join this list when they retire, in the top five for the former and top ten for the latter. Cook and de Villiers may get there too. Kohli, Kane, Root and Smith are a long way away from retirement so no need to bring them up in this discussion.

 

[Convict]

1) Lara
2) Sachin/Ponting
3) Ponting/Sachin
4) Kallis
5) Sangakkara
6) Dravid
7) Smith
8) Inzamam
9) Pietersen
10) Chanderpaul

These are the best batsmen to have batted after the turn of the millennium, in my opinion. Amla and Younis will join this list when they retire, in the top five for the former and top ten for the latter. Cook and de Villiers may get there too. Kohli, Kane, Root and Smith are a long way away from retirement so no need to bring them up in this discussion.

Lara is who I rate as the best I've seen.

Played his last test in 2006 though while KP played his first in 2005 so their careers didn't really coincide much.

 

[Snatch]

1) Lara
2) Sachin/Ponting
3) Ponting/Sachin
4) Kallis
5) Sangakkara
6) Dravid
7) Smith
8) Inzamam
9) Pietersen
10) Chanderpaul

These are the best batsmen to have batted after the turn of the millennium, in my opinion. Amla and Younis will join this list when they retire, in the top five for the former and top ten for the latter. Cook and de Villiers may get there too. Kohli, Kane, Root and Smith are a long way away from retirement so no need to bring them up in this discussion.

Your list is fair enough. although Jayawardene is a little unlucky. My top 5 would probably be

1st = Lara/Ponting
3rd Sangakkara
4th = Tendulkar/Kallis

 

[Junaids]

I am enjoying the way the Sachin Worshippers are ignoring this thread.

If I had to list the world's best players during Sachin's career, this is what I'd suggest:

1989-1992: 1) Wasim Akram, 2) Curtly Ambrose, 3) Waqar Younis
1993-1996: 1) Shane Warne, 2) Sachin Tendulkar, 3) Brian Lara
1997-2000: 1) Glenn McGrath, 2) Shane Warne, 3) Sachin Tendulkar
2001-2004: 1) Adam Gilchrist, 2) Ricky Ponting, 3) Jacques Kallis
2005-2008: 1) Jacques Kallis, 2) Mike Hussey, 3) Rahul Dravid
2008-2012: 1) Dale Steyn, 2) Michael Clarke, 3) Kevin Pietersen

 

[Tusker]

I am enjoying the way the Sachin Worshippers are ignoring this thread.

I am not a worshiper of anyone as I know enough about cricket to form my own opinion without having to use someone else's opinion as crutches (or worse peddle them as facts like most people here in this thread are doing) .

But I will tell you why I ignore these threads from my perspective .... people don't have enough maturity to accept they were wrong when they have been categorical proven wrong and will shamelessly continue to peddle their biased views and opinions as fact. Happens too often and adds no value to the discussion and is a waste of time which is why I usually give these threads a skip.

However if you are truly serious about this topic I will gladly debate with you for however long it will take but rest assured that you will at some point quietly hit the eject button because I don't think you follow Indian cricket as much as I do. Let me know.

 

[Sachin136]

I am enjoying the way the Sachin Worshippers are ignoring this thread.

If I had to list the world's best players during Sachin's career, this is what I'd suggest:

1989-1992: 1) Wasim Akram, 2) Curtly Ambrose, 3) Waqar Younis
1993-1996: 1) Shane Warne, 2) Sachin Tendulkar, 3) Brian Lara
1997-2000: 1) Glenn McGrath, 2) Shane Warne, 3) Sachin Tendulkar
2001-2004: 1) Adam Gilchrist, 2) Ricky Ponting, 3) Jacques Kallis
2005-2008: 1) Jacques Kallis, 2) Mike Hussey, 3) Rahul Dravid
2008-2012: 1) Dale Steyn, 2) Michael Clarke, 3) Kevin Pietersen

How about 1990-2000 or 1990-2010?

 

[Junaids]

Iam not a worshiper of anyone as I know enough about cricket to form my own opinion without having to use someone else's opinion as crutches (or worse peddle them as facts like most people here in this thread are doing) .

But I will tell you why I ignore these threads from my perspective .... people don't have enough maturity to accept they were wrong when they have been categorical proven wrong and will shamelessly continue to peddle their biased views and opinions as fact. Happens too often and adds no value to the discussion and is a waste of time which is why I usually give these threads a skip.

However if you are truly serious about this topic I will gladly debate with you for however long it will take but rest assured that you will at some point quietly hit the eject button because I don't think you follow Indian cricket as much as I do. Let me know.

Oh don't worry, I wasn't referring to you! I enjoy our arguments and I respect your opinions.

I'm pretty wary of threads which use testimonials (e.g. from Bradman) to puff up the standing of any particular player.

And I guess I am particularly infuriated by those who seek to exaggerate Sachin Tendulkar's greatness. To me, his greatness is that he managed to stay in the Top Five cricketers in the world (albeit in 4th or 5th place) for over 20 years.

But his was a triumph of high quality longevity over highESTquality. For at least 20 years of his career he was most certainly NOT the best cricketer in the world.

The bottom line is that for most of his career he wasn't as good as several cricketers in the world. As this thread shows, for many years it was Kallis and Ponting who were better, but all the players I listed above were better than him in the periods shown.

 

[Statsman]

According to me:
Best batsmen
1) Lara
2) Amla
3) YK

Best bowlers
1) Asif the magician
2) Mohammad Amir
3) Waqar

 

[Snatch]

I am enjoying the way the Sachin Worshippers are ignoring this thread.

I don't see what Tendulkar has to do with this thread primarily, except for a couple of people listing their top 5-10 batsmen as the conversation expanded.

Just like I wouldn't imagine McGrath or Johnson fans ignoring the thread about Asif being named KP's best bowler.

 

[Tusker]

Oh don't worry, I wasn't referring to you! I enjoy our arguments and I respect your opinions.

I'm pretty wary of threads which use testimonials (e.g. from Bradman) to puff up the standing of any particular player.

And I guess I am particularly infuriated by those who seek to exaggerate Sachin Tendulkar's greatness. To me, his greatness is that he managed to stay in the Top Five cricketers in the world (albeit in 4th or 5th place) for over 20 years.

Thanks and I quite like discussing with you which is why I responded. To be honest the crowing about Bradman , Sobers , Barry etc by certain sections without ever having watched these players play at all must rank above anything the Tendulkar fans say about him. Especially when their playing styles look ordinary in hindsight. Thats the copy-book definition of a totally blind cricket fan.

But his was a triumph of high quality longevity over highESTquality. For at least 20 years of his career he was most certainly NOT the best cricketer in the world.

The bottom line is that for most of his career he wasn't as good as several cricketers in the world. As this thread shows, for many years it was Kallis and Ponting who were better, but all the players I listed above were better than him in the periods shown.

I respectfully disagree and in the best interest of time I will point you to one single stat that will in a nutshell convey why Tendulkar has the cult following. He is the only cricketer to have made 100s in Eng, Aus, SA in his very first tour and while being a teenager and to just re-inforce and make sure that it was not a fluke he did that again in his 2nd set of tours and again on his 3rd tour. Find me one player that comes close.

There is obviously many many more things to like about Tendulkar but having observed all the muck racking against him over here ... it is pretty obvious that bias plays a big role. And to that effect people will go to great extents to bring him down. To do that they will often indulge in old tricks like shooting an arrow and then circling around the hit point to claim a perfect bulls-eye hit ... and its pretty easy to do with Stats Guru at your disposal.

 

[Statsman]

Wonder why it has always got to be SRT vs Bradman, SRT Vs Lara, SRT Vs Viv Richards etc. as if SRT is some gold standard of batting.

 

[rollingstoned]

I am enjoying the way the Sachin Worshippers are ignoring this thread.

If I had to list the world's best players during Sachin's career, this is what I'd suggest:

1989-1992: 1) Wasim Akram, 2) Curtly Ambrose, 3) Waqar Younis
1993-1996: 1) Shane Warne, 2) Sachin Tendulkar, 3) Brian Lara
1997-2000: 1) Glenn McGrath, 2) Shane Warne, 3) Sachin Tendulkar
2001-2004: 1) Adam Gilchrist, 2) Ricky Ponting, 3) Jacques Kallis
2005-2008: 1) Jacques Kallis, 2) Mike Hussey, 3) Rahul Dravid
2008-2012: 1) Dale Steyn, 2) Michael Clarke, 3) Kevin Pietersen

Sachin from early 90s to 2000 was a different beast to the one we saw after that period till his retirement, for my money he was a better player then. The reputation he still enjoys is a result of that decade where he is remembered for several unforgettable knocks.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Kallis definitely was one of the all time great 'Total package' player. No question about that. Same way being a Pommie representative he saw Punter more than anyone else in all formats. Probably he was the best player. No qualms there as well. Wasim Akram despite bowling to Vivian Richards, Gavaskar, Gower, Botham and the likes said Martin Crowe was the best he bowled to. Statistics, longevity everything goes out of the window. So him not mentioning about Lara/Sachin should not be taken as an insult. Not like he said Salman Butt was the best batsman he saw.

 

[Gilly]

I am enjoying the way the Sachin Worshippers are ignoring this thread.

If I had to list the world's best players during Sachin's career, this is what I'd suggest:

1989-1992: 1) Wasim Akram, 2) Curtly Ambrose, 3) Waqar Younis
1993-1996: 1) Shane Warne, 2) Sachin Tendulkar, 3) Brian Lara
1997-2000: 1) Glenn McGrath, 2) Shane Warne, 3) Sachin Tendulkar
2001-2004: 1) Adam Gilchrist, 2) Ricky Ponting, 3) Jacques Kallis
2005-2008: 1) Jacques Kallis, 2) Mike Hussey, 3) Rahul Dravid
2008-2012: 1) Dale Steyn, 2) Michael Clarke, 3) Kevin Pietersen

Just interested in the bolded period Juniads, Ponting scored 3069 runs @ 71.37 with 11 hundreds and Dravid scored 2391 runs @ 49.8 with 6 hundreds.

 

[Junaids]

Just interested in the bolded period Juniads, Ponting scored 3069 runs @ 71.37 with 11 hundreds and Dravid scored 2391 runs @ 49.8 with 6 hundreds.

Then I stand corrected!

I put them together off the top of my head.

 

[Hasan123]

He played a lot vs Punter so no suprise there. Kp played against a lot of great players, so his opnion does hold some weight.

 

[Junaids]

Thanks and I quite like discussing with you which is why I responded. To be honest the crowing about Bradman , Sobers , Barry etc by certain sections without ever having watched these players play at all must rank above anything the Tendulkar fans say about him. Especially when their playing styles look ordinary in hindsight. Thats the copy-book definition of a totally blind cricket fan.




I respectfully disagree and in the best interest of time I will point you to one single stat that will in a nutshell convey why Tendulkar has the cult following. He is the only cricketer to have made 100s in Eng, Aus, SA in his very first tour and while being a teenager and to just re-inforce and make sure that it was not a fluke he did that again in his 2nd set of tours and again on his 3rd tour. Find me one player that comes close.

There is obviously many many more things to like about Tendulkar but having observed all the muck racking against him over here ... it is pretty obvious that bias plays a big role. And to that effect people will go to great extents to bring him down. To do that they will often indulge in old tricks like shooting an arrow and then circling around the hit point to claim a perfect bulls-eye hit ... and its pretty easy to do with Stats Guru at your disposal.

Fair comments, but I have two observations.

Firstly, I did see Barry Richards and I have yet to discern any flaw in his technique. He certainly got bored at times and didn't concentrate.

Secondly, part of my thesis about Sachin is this. He was the most naturally gifted batsman since the two Richards. But he didn't develop one little bit after the age of 20. Like Brian Lara, he was a very gifted player with the intellect and powers of analysis of a toilet cleaner.

And for both Lara and Tendulkar, that below-average intelligence stopped them from strengthening the weaknesses in their games and from conquering fourth innings match-saving opportunities.

Some unintelligent sportsmen - Gazza, David Beckham, Freddie Flintoff - are better players because they aren't smart enough to feel fear.

But Lara and Tendulkar lacked the analytical intelligence to develop beyond what they already were at the end of 1992.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Wonder why it has always got to be SRT vs Bradman, SRT Vs Lara, SRT Vs Viv Richards etc. as if SRT is some gold standard of batting.

Because it all starts and ends with SRT, he has been declared the greatest bat by a few influential names....... Threads being created declaring his greatness will see another thread being created as to nit pick his short comings, that itself shows this man's hold and influence in the game, there has never been one like him and there never will be....... His control over cricket followers is phenomenal just the fact that he has haters and worshipers making threads/posts in discussions not even related to him shows his impact, no other cricketer past or present or in future will have this kind of influence, aka GOD LIKE.

 

[Snatch]

Because it all starts and ends with SRT, he has been declared the greatest bat by a few influential names....... Threads being created declaring his greatness will see another thread being created as to nit pick his short comings, that itself shows this man's hold and influence in the game, there has never been one like him and there never will be....... His control over cricket followers is phenomenal just the fact that he has haters and worshipers making threads/posts in discussions not even related to him shows his impact, no other cricketer past or present or in future will have this kind of influence, aka GOD LIKE.

This absolutism by some on this forum gets frustrating. If there's anything close to absolutism in cricket it's that is Bradman is the greatest ever batsmen, and that is where it ends.

Sachin is the most famous and celebrated cricketer for a very good reason. He started at 16 and became the best Indian batsman and thus the darling of the most populated cricket mad country in the world, with potentially 3 times the cricket fans of the rest of the world over.

People in a rapidly growing middle class giant like India needed a hero, someone to hold above others.

It's perfectly easy to see how this god-like status caught on. It only needed a young player to be of genuine all-time great ability, but in fact in no way objectively better than some other great batsmen of his era, except on personal preference. I think we can all agree had Sachin been born in Jamaica things would have not quite been the same and if Brian Lara born in India, it would have been very different.

 

[Hitman]

Ponting was superman in Tests from around 2003 till the end of 2006, simply unbelievable. He was always a superb talent but it was during that period where he made people in awe of him like 'WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ....'.

 

[Snatch]

Ponting was superman in Tests from around 2003 till the end of 2006, simply unbelievable. He was always a superb talent but it was during that period where he made people in awe of him like 'WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ....'.

Yes I remember that period. Looked as if International cricket was just too easy for him

 

[Bilal7]

Your list is fair enough. although Jayawardene is a little unlucky. My top 5 would probably be

1st = Lara/Ponting
3rd Sangakkara
4th = Tendulkar/Kallis

I don't think Jayawardene is unlucky at all. He isn't a better batsman than any of the guys on my list or the guys who can make it in the near future namely Amla, Younis, de Villiers and Cook.

Lara is who I rate as the best I've seen.

Played his last test in 2006 though while KP played his first in 2005 so their careers didn't really coincide much.

Yeah, it makes sense why KP didn't pick Lara.

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

Mohammed Yousuf ??

 

[Ab Fan]

Fair comment..

Tendulkar and Lara were best performers in 90s but in 2000s, Ponting and Kallis were probably the best batter of the decade with Dravid being the close third.

So, as far as KP's career is concerned it has to be these two or Dravid or even Sangakkara.

 

[SL_Fan]

Well he did name Ponting as the best I think in his eleven few months back. Remember seeing it somewhere. Not sure about the Kallis part tho.

 

[Convict]

This absolutism by some on this forum gets frustrating. If there's anything close to absolutism in cricket it's that is Bradman is the greatest ever batsmen, and that is where it ends.

Sachin is the most famous and celebrated cricketer for a very good reason. He started at 16 and became the best Indian batsman and thus the darling of the most populated cricket mad country in the world, with potentially 3 times the cricket fans of the rest of the world over.

People in a rapidly growing middle class giant like India needed a hero, someone to hold above others.

It's perfectly easy to see how this god-like status caught on. It only needed a young player to be of genuine all-time great ability, but in fact in no way objectively better than some other great batsmen of his era, except on personal preference. I think we can all agree had Sachin been born in Jamaica things would have not quite been the same and if Brian Lara born in India, it would have been very different.

The sort of people you argue with in regards to Tendulkar are the types who go around and have a go at Maria Sharapova for the sheer audacity of not knowing who Tendulkar is.

 

[SL_Fan]

Kevin Pietersen's Dream Cricket XI:

Virender Sehwag
Sachin Tendulkar
Ricky Ponting
Jacques Kallis
Kumar Sangakkara
Adam Gilchrist (WK)
Andrew Flintoff
Shane Warne (C)
James Anderson
Shoaib Akhtar
Glenn McGrath

Ricky Ponting who the Englishman described as the best batsman of his generation.

South African Kallis who received the greatest praise from Pietersen being hailed as the greatest cricketer ever.

Link

 

[Ab Fan]

Kevin Pietersen's Dream Cricket XI:

Virender Sehwag
Sachin Tendulkar
Ricky Ponting
Jacques Kallis
Kumar Sangakkara
Adam Gilchrist (WK)
Andrew Flintoff
Shane Warne (C)
James Anderson
Shoaib Akhtar
Glenn McGrath



Link

No Steyn?? Thought he would have Asif too.

 

[SL_Fan]

Steyn is missing in a lot of top players' elevens from what I have seen.

 

[Ab Fan]

Steyn is missing in a lot of top players' elevens from what I have seen.

But I think this is the XI among the one he played with or against.

Steyn has to be there without any shadow of doubt when compared with the names listed apart form McGee.

Moreover, KP regards Asif as the toughest bowler he faced. So, I thought he would have him too.

 

[Hawkeye]

Ponting was superman in Tests from around 2003 till the end of 2006, simply unbelievable. He was always a superb talent but it was during that period where he made people in awe of him like 'WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ....'.

Indeed.

Ponting made people go WOwWWWW (and today Kohli), which others like SRT failed to do.

 

[Romali_rotti]

This absolutism by some on this forum gets frustrating. .

You chose to get frustrated, no one is asking you to reply to my post, do you see me replying to utter nonsense you type like Sangakarra is better than SRT ? lol ...

 

[SL_Fan]

But I think this is the XI among the one he played with or against.

Steyn has to be there without any shadow of doubt when compared with the names listed apart form McGee.

Moreover, KP regards Asif as the toughest bowler he faced. So, I thought he would have him too.

Toughest bowler faced does not necessarily mean the best the player came up against tho. Also I guess he might be looking at the balance and variety in the attack as well. From what I have come across most top bats who have faced Akhtar do name him as the quickest and meanest they have faced. As for Steyn I guess not too many top bats rate him right up there. Sachin, Ponting, Sanga, Dravid none of them mentioned Steyn when asked about the best bowlers they faced.

 

[Hitman]

Indeed.

Ponting made people go WOwWWWW (and today Kohli), which others like SRT failed to do.

HaHa ... never mind the fact that SRT made WISDEN who rated him the 2nd best Test batsman and ODI batsman,

Viv Richards who rates him the greatest batsman he ever saw,

Don Bradman who rated him his own reincarnation and included him in his 'All Time XI',

Richie Benaud who not only rated him the best he ever saw after Bradman but even included him in his 'All Time XI',

Shane Warne who rated him the best batsman of his time, daylight second, Lara third .....

alll of them went 'WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW' on Sachin

 

[Tusker]

This absolutism by some on this forum gets frustrating. If there's anything close to absolutism in cricket it's that is Bradman is the greatest ever batsmen, and that is where it ends.

Bradmans Greatness is the absolute truth and you have bought into it without ever having watched him play (and nor are you amenable to accept the numerous holes in his claim for ATG Cricketer) and yet you are here blaming others of bias and you are laying accusation on Tendulkar fans ? Talk about irony !!!

The fact that you repeatedly resorted to falling back on "Expert" opinion to hide your inability to explain the numerous issues tells us all we need to know about the problem we have.

Sachin is the most famous and celebrated cricketer for a very good reason. He started at 16 and became the best Indian batsman and thus the darling of the most populated cricket mad country in the world, with potentially 3 times the cricket fans of the rest of the world over.

People in a rapidly growing middle class giant like India needed a hero, someone to hold above others.

It's perfectly easy to see how this god-like status caught on. It only needed a young player to be of genuine all-time great ability, but in fact in no way objectively better than some other great batsmen of his era, except on personal preference. I think we can all agree had Sachin been born in Jamaica things would have not quite been the same and if Brian Lara born in India, it would have been very different.

I have news for you its not just the Indians like you want to pretend it to be the case ... plenty of neutrals think he is the best. And me and others did properly answer your questions on why he is better than anyone in his time. Its a different story that you cannot handle the facts.

 

[Stallion__]

KP handled Steyn alright. Though he should have added atleast one left arm spinner in his team

 

[Tusker]

Fair comments, but I have two observations.

Firstly, I did see Barry Richards and I have yet to discern any flaw in his technique. He certainly got bored at times and didn't concentrate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVjA9vI-i18

check that footage and tell me how anyone can claim he had perfect technique ? BTW that is one of the most famous inngs by Richards. It has ordinary written all over it especially the bowling. My question is how did this rating come about and most importantly why do people still accept it?

Secondly, part of my thesis about Sachin is this. He was the most naturally gifted batsman since the two Richards. But he didn't develop one little bit after the age of 20. Like Brian Lara, he was a very gifted player with the intellect and powers of analysis of a toilet cleaner.

And for both Lara and Tendulkar, that below-average intelligence stopped them from strengthening the weaknesses in their games and from conquering fourth innings match-saving opportunities.

Not sure what you are talking about but I recall a 17 yr Tendulkar who stalled England at Old Trafford Circa 1990. Then he stood up against Wasim Waqar and Saqlain to craft 136. And as I have mentioned before he is the only player to score two 4th inngs 100s in India where it is mighty difficult to score runs on the 4th and 5th days ... (sometimes even the 3rd day). England found that out just a month ago losing two tests after piling on 400+ in the 1st inngs.

If Barry or anyone from the white nations had made similar feats the world would be all over it. You cant deny that there is blatant bias here when the bar is set soo low for certain players.

Some unintelligent sportsmen - Gazza, David Beckham, Freddie Flintoff - are better players because they aren't smart enough to feel fear.

But Lara and Tendulkar lacked the analytical intelligence to develop beyond what they already were at the end of 1992.

I have obviously never interacted with Tendulkar to know about his intellectual capacity but hearing him speak and the way he carries himself and how no one has ever questioned this aspect of his play it is hard to accept this. If we assume this to be true ... there would be a string of incidents that are a direct result of lack of capacity to think thru and analyze ( Umar Akmal and Afridi are great examples ). If anything he is considered to be one of the shrewdest cricketers to play the game.

Infact just watch this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzpDddFEb2Y

its a brilliant example of how much he thinks thru ... if anything I wish he did not do that and just trust his godlike talent.

 

[Bilal7]

Shane Warne who rated him the best batsman of his time, daylight second, Lara third

Warne only said that to appease a billion gullible Indians, same goes for the others.

In reality, Sachin is comfortably behind Bradman, Viv, Sobers and Lara.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

KP is a classic contrarian.

 

[Hitman]

Warne only said that to appease a billion gullible Indians, same goes for the others.

In reality, Sachin is comfortably behind Bradman, Viv, Sobers and Lara.

Not everyone in this world is a sellout

 

[Bilal7]

Not everyone in this world is a sellout

Someone who asked the host in an interview "Is this going to be aired in India?" And then laughed about the sensitivity of the Indian public is definitely not serious when he places "Daylight" between Sachin and Lara. All things considered, Warne rated Lara higher than Sachin.

Bradman was again, trying to gain brownie points with the Indian public and so were those other guys with their OTT praise. Sachin's name wouldn't be mentioned as much if he was playing for the West Indies or South Africa. The Indian public made him the player he is now perceived as.

 

[Hitman]

Someone who asked the host in an interview "Is this going to be aired in India?" And then laughed about the sensitivity of the Indian public is definitely not serious when he places "Daylight" between Sachin and Lara. All things considered, Warne rated Lara higher than Sachin.

Bradman was again, trying to gain brownie points with the Indian public and so were those other guys with their OTT praise. Sachin's name wouldn't be mentioned as much if he was playing for the West Indies or South Africa. The Indian public made him the player he is now perceived as.

Really? Did he ever say so? On the contrary, he has always maintained since the 90's that Sachin is the best batsman he has ever bowled to.

Regarding the rest of your post, it's simply laughable. Since you have no argument to counter my original post, you started conspiracy theories just like most of the Pakistanis do. Guess what, the people I spoke of rating Sachin are some of the most respected people in the world of cricket. Their opinion matters to everybody, while your opinion is nothing but an attempt to make yourself feel better.

 

[Chrish]

Warne averaged over hundred one-on-one against Tendulkar

So all the praise he showers is backed up stastically at the very least..

 

[Hitman]

Someone who asked the host in an interview "Is this going to be aired in India?" And then laughed about the sensitivity of the Indian public is definitely not serious when he places "Daylight" between Sachin and Lara. All things considered, Warne rated Lara higher than Sachin.

Bradman was again, trying to gain brownie points with the Indian public and so were those other guys with their OTT praise. Sachin's name wouldn't be mentioned as much if he was playing for the West Indies or South Africa. The Indian public made him the player he is now perceived as.

Like I said before,some people do have a certain thing called integrity. Not everyone is a sellout

 

[Statsman]

Bradman wanting to earning brownie points.

I've read everything now.

 

[Chrish]

Why in the world would Bradman lie about something like this at the age of 90 ???

This is turning into circus !!! Embarrassing

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Warne averaged over hundred one-on-one against Tendulkar

So all the praise he showers is backed up stastically at the very least..

Are you sure?

I saw different stats elsewhere. Don't remember it where.

 

[Chrish]

Are you sure?

I saw different stats elsewhere. Don't remember it where.

Yes.. Tendulkar averaged 107 against Warne in tests : 322 in 555 balls, thrice out.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yes.. Tendulkar averaged 107 against Warne in tests : 322 in 555 balls, thrice out.

Ok then. Cool.