Rise of Hindu ‘extremist’ spooks Muslim minority in India’s heartland

[s.h.a.k]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-34707247

Bollywood superstar Shah Rukh Khan has become the latest high profile figure to speak out against "extreme intolerance" in India.

Khan, who turned 50 on Monday said, "there is intolerance, there is extreme intolerance… there is, I think… there is growing intolerance."

He said he "respected" people returning awards to protest against intolerance.

In response to his comments

https://www.bizasialive.com/srk-apologises-about-religious-intolerance-remark/

Shah Rukh Khan faces a huge backlash after a comment he made in an interview was taken by many in the media as a derogatory and unnecessary remark about intolerance in India. Many have spoken out in his defence and also against him. However, Khan recently apologised for what he said.




And many other times he has been told to go Pakistan and other stuff. You all know it. Go look it up. Great freedom of speech. Had to apologise and say he deny it hahaha. Even his film Dilwale when it was related faced protests and some theatres didn't show it. Your so called hero's were calling him many things

 

[s.h.a.k]

Then you are very nit picking things based on your agenda , there are hate speeches on every religion including hinduism in India as well , Please do read on those as well. Because of it's secular nature , people from all religion/ races do say things because of freedom of speech. That backlash is also freedom of speech - If one person makes a point and someone gets offended they will backlash .
In Pakistan , do you hear people talking against Islam ? No , why ? Because it's an extremist society and you will be killed for it. That , sir is the difference.

You don't make sense you said India is secular as you can say freedom of speech against religions and nothing will happen. But nothing only happens when Muslims are targeted. So why you preaching India is the master of free speech when clearly it's not when Indias biggest superstar can't make a free speech.

 

[Zak_Fan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-34707247

Bollywood superstar Shah Rukh Khan has become the latest high profile figure to speak out against "extreme intolerance" in India.

Khan, who turned 50 on Monday said, "there is intolerance, there is extreme intolerance… there is, I think… there is growing intolerance."

He said he "respected" people returning awards to protest against intolerance.

In response to his comments

https://www.bizasialive.com/srk-apologises-about-religious-intolerance-remark/

Shah Rukh Khan faces a huge backlash after a comment he made in an interview was taken by many in the media as a derogatory and unnecessary remark about intolerance in India. Many have spoken out in his defence and also against him. However, Khan recently apologised for what he said.




And many other times he has been told to go Pakistan and other stuff. You all know it. Go look it up. Great freedom of speech. Had to apologise and say he deny it hahaha. Even his film Dilwale when it was related faced protests and some theatres didn't show it. Your so called hero's were calling him many things

I conceded that SRK faced a backlash, what I am asking you is proof for your serious allegation against UP's new CM. See the post I quoted.

 

[s.h.a.k]

Please post the appropriate reference.

AFAIK No Indian govt has ever claimed Pakistan. But every Pakistani govt has claimed Kashmir.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...te-one-day-says-ram-madhav/article8031920.ece

"The RSS still believes that one day these parts... will again, through popular goodwill, come together and Akhand Bharat will be created... as an RSS member, I also hold on to that view,” the BJP leader said.

Ram Madhav: The RSS still believes that one day these parts which have for historical reasons separated only 60 years ago will again, through popular goodwill, come together [LAUGHTER] and Akhand Bharat will be created.

Mehdi Hasan: [INTERRUPTING] Wow. Do you believe that?

Ram Madhav: The RSS believes in that, as an RSS ...

Mehdi Hasan: [INTERRUPTING] You're the RSS ... you were the RSS spokesman.

Ram Madhav: As an RSS member I also hold on to that view, but that does not mean we wage war on any country, we annex any country, it doesn't mean one-, if-, if two-,

Mehdi Hasan: [INTERRUPTION] You're going to persuade them through argument.

Ram Madhav: If two Germanies can come together, if two Vietnams can come together what makes you to think ...

Mehdi Hasan: [INTERRUPTING] But you want that? [APPLAUSE]

Ram Madhav: That, too, Pakistan and India cannot come together?

Mehdi Hasan: Okay. So just to clarify, what I asked you about what was your proposal for Kashmir, we now heard it, it's basically India takes over everything.

Ram Madhav: No, no, Kashmir is a [LAUGHTER] different issue.

Ram Madhav: [INTERRUPTING] Pakistan has sinned… Pakistan and Balochistan .... which part-,

Mehdi Hasan: Agreed, .... India ....

Ram Madhav: Which do not want to remain in Pakistan .... so much human rights violations in Balochistan, so much human rights violations ....

Mehdi Hasan: [INTERRUPTING] Should they all join India?

Ram Madhav: They're also fighting for their own rights.

Mehdi Hasan: [INTERRUPTING] But you want them in India. But you want them in India.

Ram Madhav: We are not doing anything, we are saying-, we are saying-,

Mehdi Hasan: [INTERRUPTING] You just told me 30 seconds ago, "I want to see it all part of India," you just said that.

Ram Madhav: The RSS believes in that, but without violence-,

Mehdi Hasan: [INTERRUPTING] No the RSS, you're the spokesman of the RSS.

Ram Madhav: Without war, through popular consent, it can happen. It happened in the world.

Mehdi Hasan: Okay.

Ram Madhav: It happened in Jammu and Kashmir.

Mehdi Hasan: Okay.

Nitasha Kaul: Kashmir is not owned by anyone.

 

[s.h.a.k]

Do you have a source for your facts? If you have, I'll believe you.

Sadly, so far you have avoided all the posts asking you for a reference on your facts.

http://thelondonpost.net/rape-dead-muslim-women-said-yogi-adityanath-modi-made-chief-minister-india/

‘Rape Dead Muslim Women’ said Yogi Adityanath, Modi made him Chief Minister of UP in India

 

[s.h.a.k]

Can we stay on the topic of the thread. It was about rose of Hindu extremism which some backers of the Hindu extremists made it into Pakistan vs India issue. Any other thing make another thread and talk about it on their.

I have given references as asked and backed up my points. So their goes your so called freedom of speech secular country where your biggest superstar has to apologise for his intolerance speech and get told to go Pakistan.

Can't believe some posters back and justify these actions even the statement about taking Muslims woman's out of grave and rape them. That's spreading and converting people to their religion apparently.

 

[Zak_Fan]

http://thelondonpost.net/rape-dead-muslim-women-said-yogi-adityanath-modi-made-chief-minister-india/

‘Rape Dead Muslim Women’ said Yogi Adityanath, Modi made him Chief Minister of UP in India

This is why one shouldn't jump to conclusions too fast. The report quotes a video, and the speaker isn't even Yogi AdityaNath. You can verify it yourself.

And btw, I don't support this guy, which is something I made very clear the day he was elected. But it is unfair to falsely attribute such horrific statements to the wrong guy, so you should probably take it back.

 

[cricketjoshila]

http://thelondonpost.net/rape-dead-muslim-women-said-yogi-adityanath-modi-made-chief-minister-india/

‘Rape Dead Muslim Women’ said Yogi Adityanath, Modi made him Chief Minister of UP in India

Third rate hardly credible media source.

Yogi Adityanath never said anything like that.Go check the video.

 

[s.h.a.k]

This is why one shouldn't jump to conclusions too fast. The report quotes a video, and the speaker isn't even Yogi AdityaNath. You can verify it yourself.

And btw, I don't support this guy, which is something I made very clear the day he was elected. But it is unfair to falsely attribute such horrific statements to the wrong guy, so you should probably take it back.

It's one his men and supporter saying it and he is also their. So clearly that's his view too.
Also this is what he thinks about your superstar.
Adityanath has also compared Shah Rukh Khan to the Pakistani terrorist Hafiz Saeed, saying that “Shah Rukh Khan should remember that majority population of the Country made him the Star, and if they boycot his films, he will also have to wander on streets. It is unfortunate SRK is speaking the same language that of Hafiz Saeed."

 

[Zak_Fan]

It's one his men and supporter saying it and he is also their. So clearly that's his view too.
Also this is what he thinks about your superstar.
Adityanath has also compared Shah Rukh Khan to the Pakistani terrorist Hafiz Saeed, saying that “Shah Rukh Khan should remember that majority population of the Country made him the Star, and if they boycot his films, he will also have to wander on streets. It is unfortunate SRK is speaking the same language that of Hafiz Saeed."

So he didn't say it, and you stand corrected.

As for the statement on SRK, its fair, no big deal. There are 20 times worse things said about our PM everyday, doesn't make him a victim.

 

[s.h.a.k]

In 2015, he said, "If given a chance, we will install statues of Goddess Gauri, Ganesh and Nandi” — Hindu deities — “in every mosque." He also once said, “If one Hindu girl marries a Muslim man, then we will take 100 Muslim girls in return … If they [Muslims] kill one Hindu man, then we will kill 100 Muslim men.”

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's one his men and supporter saying it and he is also their. So clearly that's his view too.
Also this is what he thinks about your superstar.
Adityanath has also compared Shah Rukh Khan to the Pakistani terrorist Hafiz Saeed, saying that “Shah Rukh Khan should remember that majority population of the Country made him the Star, and if they boycot his films, he will also have to wander on streets. It is unfortunate SRK is speaking the same language that of Hafiz Saeed."

He didnot say it then how can it be his views? You lied when you said Adityanath said this.Please Take back your statement.

 

[Zak_Fan]

In 2015, he said, "If given a chance, we will install statues of Goddess Gauri, Ganesh and Nandi” — Hindu deities — “in every mosque." He also once said, “If one Hindu girl marries a Muslim man, then we will take 100 Muslim girls in return … If they [Muslims] kill one Hindu man, then we will kill 100 Muslim men.”

Yup, I guess you are right on these. Absolutely no justification for this and hence I do question the choice of CM.

 

[s.h.a.k]

So he didn't say it, and you stand corrected.

As for the statement on SRK, its fair, no big deal. There are 20 times worse things said about our PM everyday, doesn't make him a victim.

If your men and supporters are preaching raping dead women's and giving statements like that and your sitting their too and your their leader then obviously that's what you preach.

And don't deny the SRK issue was a big thing. It was national headlines in your country.
And what worser things. Obviously about Gujrat riots that will fall on deaf ears as Muslims were killed and targeted.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He was their and his men said it. Check it he is their too so obviously that's what they preach as he is the leader of the man giving that statement.

If my brother says something in my presence it becomes my statement?

Stop lying and accept that you lied.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good to see so many of our Indian friends on PP leaping to defend their elected official Yogi Adityanath. I'm sure they don't share any of his views whether they came from his lips or his henchmen.

 

[bleaf27]

You don't make sense you said India is secular as you can say freedom of speech against religions and nothing will happen. But nothing only happens when Muslims are targeted. So why you preaching India is the master of free speech when clearly it's not when Indias biggest superstar can't make a free speech.

Again your views are biased and nitpicking. Owaisi and Azam Khan do say things which are very inflammatory in nature against national interests and other religions/races but nothing has happened to them - they are given political stages to openly state their views. That is called being secular. SRK can make a free speech so does Salman/ Akshay Kumar or ABC - not everyone may agree with it. If SRK can beat up guards in Mumbai stadium he can definitely make his statements . Having a free speech does not mean that whatever you say people agree to that or not give you a piece of their mind back

 

[czar]

Good to see so many of our Indian friends on PP leaping to defend their elected official Yogi Adityanath. I'm sure they don't share any of his views whether they came from his lips or his henchmen.

Yogi has won among Muslim voters too and I'm sure he will be unbiased towards all communities.

 

[s.h.a.k]

Again your views are biased and nitpicking. Owaisi and Azam Khan do say things which are very inflammatory in nature against national interests and other religions/races but nothing has happened to them - they are given political stages to openly state their views. That is called being secular. SRK can make a free speech so does Salman/ Akshay Kumar or ABC - not everyone may agree with it. If SRK can beat up guards in Mumbai stadium he can definitely make his statements . Having a free speech does not mean that whatever you say people agree to that or not give you a piece of their mind back

He didn't beat just a row they had. And he was banned from Mumbai stadium. You act like nothing happened for his actions on that day.

 

[Rafa]

Once even a terrorist or mass murdered gets elected either as a PM or CM in India, he wins a million defenders for himself and suddenly becomes a clean man.

 

[s.h.a.k]

If my brother says something in my presence it becomes my statement?

Stop lying and accept that you lied.

So if your supporters in your presence are making such statements then that's not your view. So who are his men supporters following then by making such statement if they not following their leader.

He has made hate speech against Muslims too as I quoted some. Making him like a saint.

 

[bleaf27]

He didn't beat just a row they had. And he was banned from Mumbai stadium. You act like nothing happened for his actions on that day.

There were news that he did hit. Secondly , Mamta Bnaerjee / Owaisi / Azam Khan / Om Puri all have comments which are inflammatory and people respond because they have the right. that's free speech bruh , free speech doesn't mean if one says something no one replies or goes against it

 

[cricketjoshila]

So if your supporters in your presence are making such statements then that's not your view. So who are his men supporters following then by making such statement if they not following their leader.

He has made hate speech against Muslims too as I quoted some. Making him like a saint.

He is no saint.But he didnot make the statement of rape that you accused him of. Have some graciousness and accept that your lies were caught.

He may have made some other statement but not about rapes.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Making hateful comments in public against your own citizens is definition of Free Speech now.

 

[CricketCartoons]

My in laws have good relation with the new CM, and in drawing room conversations, I have found myself echoing their delight at the rise of "Yogi Ji" and how he can never be corrupt as he is not after money or women, and only wants to work for the people. How he is a patron of many muslims in his constituency, and how he will be the successor of "Modi Ji".

 

[s.h.a.k]

He is no saint.But he didnot make the statement of rape that you accused him of. Have some graciousness and accept that your lies were caught.

He may have made some other statement but not about rapes.

But his mens are preaching that under him so only a fool and and a blind hater like you will deny it.
You didn't even know earlier on that he didn't make this statement and you thought he did till I posted the video and you was justifying him saying about the rape of womans out of grave by saying it's retaliation of Pakistani statements. What has Pakistani statements got to do with Indian Muslims and then you said he spreading Hinduism his religion so what. So by spreading hus religion with hate speeches against Muslims and his followers under him preaching raping that's all fine. You will do anything to justify and glorify such people. Mentally sick.

And I have given you quotes and references of other stuff you asked for like Akhand Bharat etc.

Don't want to keep going over the same thing again and again. Given my points with facts. Only a blind hater will deny like yourself.

 

[s.h.a.k]

Yup, I guess you are right on these. Absolutely no justification for this and hence I do question the choice of CM.

Respect. I don't want this to be a India vs Pakistan or Hindu vs Muslim debate.

Just stating how such a person has become CM of such a big population where majority Muslims live. The hate speeches against Muslims he has said makes his followers hate Muslims and they think they have free licence over Muslims in anything as their CM will always back them up. Let's hope things don't be like that even though their is certainly a rise of extremism against Muslims.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But his mens are preaching that under him so only a fool and and a blind hater like you will deny it.
You didn't even know earlier on that he didn't make this statement and you thought he did till I posted the video and you was justifying him saying about the rape of womans out of grave by saying it's retaliation of Pakistani statements. What has Pakistani statements got to do with Indian Muslims and then you said he spreading Hinduism his religion so what. So by spreading hus religion with hate speeches against Muslims and his followers under him preaching raping that's all fine. You will do anything to justify and glorify such people. Mentally sick.

And I have given you quotes and references of other stuff you asked for like Akhand Bharat etc.

Don't want to keep going over the same thing again and again. Given my points with facts. Only a blind hater will deny like yourself.

He is not responsible for anyone else but himself.He is now responsible for his govt.

I very well knew he didnot make the statement and thats why i kept asking you to substantiate that.Can you show me where did i justify the remarks?

You lied and got caught. Yogi Adityanath made no statements telling people to rape someone.Someone else did. Should i blame Islam for what ISIS or Taliban or Lashkar or Hizbul or Jaish does?They also are allgedly followers of Islam.

You have no facts,you lied. Adityanath made no statements on rapes. Now keep trying to wriggle out by saying i am a hater.

 

[s.h.a.k]

He is not responsible for anyone else but himself.He is now responsible for his govt.

I very well knew he didnot make the statement and thats why i kept asking you to substantiate that.Can you show me where did i justify the remarks?

You lied and got caught. Yogi Adityanath made no statements telling people to rape someone.Someone else did. Should i blame Islam for what ISIS or Taliban or Lashkar or Hizbul or Jaish does?They also are allgedly followers of Islam.

You have no facts,you lied. Adityanath made no statements on rapes. Now keep trying to wriggle out by saying i am a hater.

Check what you been saying first. You tried your best to justify the rape statement till you found out it was one of his own men saying it.

You clearly don't know what you talking about. It was Yogis own men making that statement in his presence.
You don't see Muslims like me and 90%+ sitting with Isis, Lakshar or Taliban and glorifying their statements. We have always condemned such groups. Isis have killed mostly Muslims so it don't make sense that they followers of Islam.
You just taking the topic of thread into somewhere else.

 

[s.h.a.k]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] sorry it wasn't you trying to justify that statement it was another poster. Aplogise for some words I Said against you as It was meant for the other poster who actually tried justifying that statement.

Anyways let alone that statement. What's your opinion on this statement he made in 2015
"If given a chance, we will install statues of Goddess Gauri, Ganesh and Nandi” — Hindu deities — “in every mosque." He also once said, “If one Hindu girl marries a Muslim man, then we will take 100 Muslim girls in return … If they [Muslims] kill one Hindu man, then we will kill 100 Muslim men.”

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] sorry it wasn't you trying to justify that statement it was another poster. Aplogise for some words I Said against you as It was meant for the other poster who actually tried justifying that statement.

Anyways let alone that statement. What's your opinion on this statement he made in 2015
"If given a chance, we will install statues of Goddess Gauri, Ganesh and Nandi” — Hindu deities — “in every mosque." He also once said, “If one Hindu girl marries a Muslim man, then we will take 100 Muslim girls in return … If they [Muslims] kill one Hindu man, then we will kill 100 Muslim men.”

I will not justify these statements of Yogi Adityanath.Because they cannot be justified. But i will also not accept the statements he didnt make.

Let me be clear, for me an Indian Muslim is Indian. Because for me he is Indian first and Muslim second.Just like I am Indian first and Hindu second.I will defend their rights like i will defend any Indians..

 

[s.h.a.k]

I will not justify these statements of Yogi Adityanath.Because they cannot be justified. But i will also not accept the statements he didnt make.

Let me be clear, for me an Indian Muslim is Indian. Because for me he is Indian first and Muslim second.Just like I am Indian first and Hindu second.I will defend their rights like i will defend any Indians..

What do you make of the statement his men made in the presence of their leader Yogi Adityanath then?

So you against Yogi Adityanaths statement of "If given a chance, we will install statues of Goddess Gauri, Ganesh and Nandi” — Hindu deities — “in every mosque." He also once said, “If one Hindu girl marries a Muslim man, then we will take 100 Muslim girls in return … If they [Muslims] kill one Hindu man, then we will kill 100 Muslim men.”

 

[cricketjoshila]

What do you make of the statement his men made in the presence of their leader Yogi Adityanath then?

So you against Yogi Adityanaths statement of "If given a chance, we will install statues of Goddess Gauri, Ganesh and Nandi” — Hindu deities — “in every mosque." He also once said, “If one Hindu girl marries a Muslim man, then we will take 100 Muslim girls in return … If they [Muslims] kill one Hindu man, then we will kill 100 Muslim men.”

1.Some person made some statement in presence of Adityanath. Cannot blame him for it.

Ofcourse i am againist those statements that he made. I know what was the context but still i wont try to justify them, because he shouldnot have fallen to those levels.

 

[bleaf27]

I will not justify these statements of Yogi Adityanath.Because they cannot be justified. But i will also not accept the statements he didnt make.

Let me be clear, for me an Indian Muslim is Indian. Because for me he is Indian first and Muslim second.Just like I am Indian first and Hindu second.I will defend their rights like i will defend any Indians..

I agree , an Indian will always see another Indian as an Indian first - his caste and religion comes after . Sadly for Pakistani's that not the case , religion comes first. Hindu's even if they are Pakistani's aren't the same to them

 

[MenInG]

Leave discussions about prostitutes etc

 

[s.h.a.k]

I agree , an Indian will always see another Indian as an Indian first - his caste and religion comes after . Sadly for Pakistani's that not the case , religion comes first. Hindu's even if they are Pakistani's aren't the same to them

Then why is their a rise of intolerance and extremism against Muslims. Why are their hate speeches against Muslims and that to by your CM. If a Indian Muslim speaks out they are labelled traitors and told to go Pakistan. So why can't your CM and others see that they are Indians first and Muslim after. And giving speeches against Muslims clearly shows they don't care if their Indians.
One small incident a Muslim will be involved in will gather thousands of Hindus together to riot them just like recently if thought if it ain't the Muslims fault.

 

[hafeezrocks]

I agree , an Indian will always see another Indian as an Indian first - his caste and religion comes after . Sadly for Pakistani's that not the case , religion comes first. Hindu's even if they are Pakistani's aren't the same to them

Any evidence to back this claim?

 

[bleaf27]

Then why is their a rise of intolerance and extremism against Muslims. Why are their hate speeches against Muslims and that to by your CM. If a Indian Muslim speaks out they are labelled traitors and told to go Pakistan. So why can't your CM and others see that they are Indians first and Muslim after. And giving speeches against Muslims clearly shows they don't care if their Indians.
One small incident a Muslim will be involved in will gather thousands of Hindus together to riot them just like recently if thought if it ain't the Muslims fault.

Hate speeches are against every religion and caste in India ..if you cannot see that , thats your choice. You are selectively picking examples where some speeches are against Muslims but Have you ever raised a concern when speeches are made against Hindu and Christians ? No , because your agenda is only for Muslims. Azam Khan is a UP Member of Parliament who makes many inflammatory speeches against religion and caste , Owaisi does but you dont see that. nitpicking examples to make your agenda sound credible is flawed

 

[bleaf27]

Any evidence to back this claim?

I'm just going by anecdotal evidence by how minorities in Pak aren't given the same platform to excel and represent their community. Not many Hindu /Christians ;celebrities / politicals / actors / athletes in Pakistan. This discrimination cannot be based upon nationality as they are all Pakistani's , what else explains it ?

 

[Yatoo]

8 arrested for offering meat to kites

They were charged with animal cruelty, attempt to disturb communal harmony

The police in Moradabad booked 80 people and arrested eight of them for offering chicken meat to birds. They have been charged with animal cruelty and attempt to disturb communal harmony by throwing meat in the sky to hovering kites.

All the slaughterhouses in the city, on which the birds are dependent for survival, were closed down after the U.P. government came to power in the State. Subsequently, meat shops have shut down.

On Wednesday, Iqbal Husain, a local activist and a meat trader, and his friends saw a bunch of kites hovering in the sky. Then, they bought chicken meat and offered it to the birds. For Iqbal, it was also a mark of protest against the “illogical way in which the Yogi Adityanath government had sealed slaughterhouses”.

The local police termed it a “violation of communal harmony” as the act of throwing meat in the sky offended local Hindus who stay nearby and their religious feelings on the eve of Navratri.

Iqbal was arrested and sent to judicial custody on Thursday. “The birds had gone without food since slaughterhouses of the city were shut down. So it was an act of compassion,” said Iqbal’s wife Zahida.

“Unlike what the police is saying, my husband offered chicken in a Muslim area where no one from other religious community lives. So there is no question of offending feelings.”

 

[Rafa]

Hate speeches are against every religion and caste in India ..if you cannot see that , thats your choice. You are selectively picking examples where some speeches are against Muslims but Have you ever raised a concern when speeches are made against Hindu and Christians ? No , because your agenda is only for Muslims. Azam Khan is a UP Member of Parliament who makes many inflammatory speeches against religion and caste , Owaisi does but you dont see that. nitpicking examples to make your agenda sound credible is flawed

Lol, what nice justifications...... Now hate speeches are common for other religions too hence what UP CM said is OK and India is secular.

You guys are funny.

Shouldnt these guys spreading hate rather be in jail than heading government's in the country?

 

[Pakpak]

In 2014, a video of Yogi Adityanath surfaced in which he was seen urging Hindus to convert Muslim girls as retribution for Muslim youths marrying Hindu girls. In 2015, Adityanath's comments yet again led to public outrage when he said that those who oppose “surya namaskar” are free to leave India. Adityanath has also compared Shah Rukh Khan to the Pakistani terrorist Hafiz Saeed, saying that “Shah Rukh Khan should remember that majority population of the Country made him the Star, and if they boycot his films, he will also have to wander on streets. It is unfortunate SRK is speaking the same language that of Hafiz Saeed." -

Sickul...sorry Secular India. Jai Hind!

 

[Eagle_Eye]

I think it's just deserts for the Muslims who voted bjp but I feel sorry for those who didn't. The constant threat of mob violence must be horrendous.... maybe start organising and arming themselves would send a message

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes, this sounds exactly like peaceful conversion:

When an undated Youtube video of BJP MP Yogi Adityanath allegedly telling Hindu supporters to marry a hundred Muslim women for every Hindu woman marrying a Muslim and forcibly made to convert.

The yogi further narrates what a youth from Gorakhpur said about the issue, "Probably in the rest of Uttar Pradesh Hindu women run away with Muslim but in Gorakhpur, Hindu men marry Muslim women and bring them home." In the background hoots of glee can be heard from men attending the speech.

Again where has he said use force? If he asks Hindu guys to marry muslim women its not a crime in India or any secular nation. You are free to propogate your religion in India unless you use coercion.

 

[Pakpak]

Again where has he said use force? If he asks Hindu guys to marry muslim women its not a crime in India or any secular nation. You are free to propogate your religion in India unless you use coercion.

He doesn't need to say force, the meaning is obvious to everyone but his ardent supporters. But then again, if he committed murder you'd be defending him so why waste time?

 

[Zak_Fan]

I remember that love Jihad thread, when posters here were laughing at Hindu girls falling for Muslim boys. Forced-conversion allegations from Hindus were supposed to be a joke.

But as soon as a Hindu Yogi suggested the opposite, all the knives are out. Suddenly it is extremism and "forced" conversion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He doesn't need to say force, the meaning is obvious to everyone but his ardent supporters. But then again, if he committed murder you'd be defending him so why waste time?

Again where he is saying murder?

Dude people asking for converting people into their religion is common in India.Christians do it,Muslims do it everyone does it. As long as no force is used its fine.

 

[Pakpak]

When there are 300mn plus minorities in a country that came out of a colonial rule with a history of a religious based partition, with poor education standards such riots were expected.We have done far better than what many expected.We are not perfect and a lot of work needs to be done.

Be it Modi or Manmohan or anyone,they are bound by law to follow a secular constitution and no one can change it.If someone tries he will have to face the full force of the Indian citizenry.

No doubt India has done well, but electing Yogis or Mullahs or Priests completely undermines any secular society. Giving podiums to religious nutters is hardly progress. Manmohan's education levels puts any South Asian leader to shame for example. And then you're electing Yogis. Who's sole reason to popularity is based on their large RELIGIOUS following.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Its a fact, no reason to copy secularism from a country that has thousands killed, Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims alike.

I credited India for having a Muslims President and then a Sikh PM. That would be my dream in Pakistan having a Hindu/Christian PM. I have plenty of Pakistani Christian friends and one day one hopes. But India is the last country who I hoped to aspire to when it comes to religion and secularism after Manmohan's term ended.

Manmohan was a selected PM, not an elected one in the traditional sense.....they have never elected a non Hindu PM from parliamentary elections.

 

[Pakpak]

I remember that love Jihad thread, when posters here were laughing at Hindu girls falling for Muslim boys. Forced-conversion allegations from Hindus were supposed to be a joke.

But as soon as a Hindu Yogi suggested the opposite, all the knives are out. Suddenly it is extremism and "forced" conversion.

The posters were shameful too, no reason for you to behave like others.

Again where he is saying murder?

Dude people asking for converting people into their religion is common in India.Christians do it,Muslims do it everyone does it. As long as no force is used its fine.

I said even if he said murder you'd defended it. Hence debating is off little consequence

 

[Pakpak]

Manmohan was a selected PM, not an elected one in the traditional sense.....they have never elected a non Hindu PM from parliamentary elections.

My point was from an educated person being elected to now Yogis being given CMships due to their religious following. One has to laugh

 

[cricketjoshila]

No doubt India has done well, but electing Yogis or Mullahs or Priests completely undermines any secular society. Giving podiums to religious nutters is hardly progress. Manmohan's education levels puts any South Asian leader to shame for example. And then you're electing Yogis. Who's sole reason to popularity is based on their large RELIGIOUS following.

How can we stop anyone from being elected? Our first education minister was a Maulana. The law allows anyone with Indian citizenship to be elected as representative. A Supreme Court judge currently is a Parsi ordained Priest. There is no law that can stop people from being elected on basis of their religion or profession.I doubt any country has that kind of law.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The posters were shameful too, no reason for you to behave like others.


I said even if he said murder you'd defended it. Hence debating is off little consequence

I am not even defending what he said to SRK and you expect me to defend if he said murder.Really?

 

[Zak_Fan]

The posters were shameful too, no reason for you to behave like others.


I said even if he said murder you'd defended it. Hence debating is off little consequence

Absolutely not. I am not defending anyone, and I was the first one to criticize the appointment of a religious figure as the CM.

But what I also hate is this hysteria and people losing their mind simply because the new CM wears saffron. Things you quoted were the kind which cannot be termed as disgusting in a free society. Be it Muslims, Kashmiris or anyone.. Indian society allows this much freedom of expression.

 

[Pakpak]

Absolutely not. I am not defending anyone, and I was the first one to criticize the appointment of a religious figure as the CM.

But what I also hate is this hysteria and people losing their mind simply because the new CM wears saffron. Things you quoted were the kind which cannot be termed as disgusting in a free society. Be it Muslims, Kashmiris or anyone.. Indian society allows this much freedom of expression.

Guess that is the difference between this haf-arsed secularism and the secularism elsewhere. A catholic priest elected in UK for instance would garner laughter. Electing religious figures is obviously due to one religion electing THEIR leader, is a reason for divisions. And hence numerous riots in India with so many deaths that never happen in other secular nations.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Guess that is the difference between this haf-arsed secularism and the secularism elsewhere. A catholic priest elected in UK for instance would garner laughter. Electing religious figures is obviously due to one religion electing THEIR leader, is a reason for divisions. And hence numerous riots in India with so many deaths that never happen in other secular nations.

UK dont have 300mn minorities?Do they?

UK is not Catholic its protestant and thats the official religion.No one but a protestant can ascend the throne of UK.

Islam or Hindusim is not even 5% of UK.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Guess that is the difference between this haf-arsed secularism and the secularism elsewhere. A catholic priest elected in UK for instance would garner laughter. Electing religious figures is obviously due to one religion electing THEIR leader, is a reason for divisions. And hence numerous riots in India with so many deaths that never happen in other secular nations.

1.The Church of England is represented in the UK Parliament by 26 bishops (the Lords Spiritual) and the British monarch is a member of the church (required under Article 2 of the Treaty of Union) as well as its Supreme Governor.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080307003413/www.royalinsight.gov.uk/output/Page4708.asp

2.The Lords Spiritual have seats in the House of Lords and debate government policies affecting the whole of the United Kingdom. The Church of England also has the right to draft legislative measures (related to religious administration) through the General Synod that can then be passed into law by Parliament.

https://www.churchofengland.org/about-us/structure/general-synod.aspx

What were you saying?

 

[Zak_Fan]

Guess that is the difference between this haf-arsed secularism and the secularism elsewhere. A catholic priest elected in UK for instance would garner laughter. Electing religious figures is obviously due to one religion electing THEIR leader, is a reason for divisions. And hence numerous riots in India with so many deaths that never happen in other secular nations.

Now you are getting desperate. It isn't this "half-arsed" secularism failing the society, but society failing secularism. 70 years ago, millions of us were brutally murdered simply because people decided to migrate from one country to another.

How do you expect a perfect implementation of progressive ideas in such a society? I can only laugh when you compare Indians to Brits. It will take a long time for India to reach 1st world standards.

 

[Pakpak]

Now you are getting desperate. It isn't this "half-arsed" secularism failing the society, but society failing secularism. 70 years ago, millions of us were brutally murdered simply because people decided to migrate from one country to another.

How do you expect a perfect implementation of progressive ideas in such a society? I can only laugh when you compare Indians to Brits. It will take a long time for India to reach 1st world standards.

All true, but electing Yogis will not make quick progress, only delay it. I say the same things when Pakistanis elect Mullahs or give JI votes. Its nothing but hampering progress.

 

[cricketjoshila]

All true, but electing Yogis will not make quick progress, only delay it. I say the same things when Pakistanis elect Mullahs or give JI votes. Its nothing but hampering progress.

People will elect who they want to elect.There is no stopping that.

 

[Pakpak]

People will elect who they want to elect.There is no stopping that.

...and I have not disputed that. But electing religious people is not making progress.

 

[cricketjoshila]

...and I have not disputed that. But electing religious people is not making progress.

People have elected Trump and Mussolini's grand daughter.Lots of far right people are being elected across Europe.Thats the democratic freedom of people. Whats important is that the laws that govern remain secular.

 

[Pakpak]

People have elected Trump and Mussolini's grand daughter.Lots of far right people are being elected across Europe.Thats the democratic freedom of people. Whats important is that the laws that govern remain secular.

And you have seen the racist incidents spike in USA, where even Indians were gunned down after being mistaken as Muslims. Electing far-right people only empowers racists, it does nothing else.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And you have seen the racist incidents spike in USA, where even Indians were gunned down after being mistaken as Muslims. Electing far-right people only empowers racists, it does nothing else.

Its the people's right to elect.That cannot be taken away.If Far Right is rising it denotes how badly the left liberals have failed.

 

[Pakpak]

1 Yogi in 31 states of India is 0.03%.

Except the fact the state that he leads represents 1/5th, i.e. 20% of the Indian population and he will effect 220 million lives.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Except the fact the state that he leads represents 1/5th, i.e. 20% of the Indian population and he will effect 220 million lives.

He will still rule only 1 state out of 31 in India. He will still have to abide by a secular constitution.

 

[Pakpak]

Its the people's right to elect.That cannot be taken away.If Far Right is rising it denotes how badly the left liberals have failed.

Or how the people are gullible to swallow lying nonsense. A well known fact how fake news helped elect Trump and how the lying £350 million a week helped Brexit.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Or how the people are gullible to swallow lying nonsense. A well known fact how fake news helped elect Trump and how the lying £350 million a week helped Brexit.

People didnt swallow nonsense for 80 years and are now doing it?Its time the left liberals look up their mistakes and try to correct them not blame "People". People will vote for their choice, you have to strive to be that choice.

 

[Pakpak]

He will still rule only 1 state out of 31 in India. He will still have to abide by a secular constitution.

1/31 is meaningless given the sheer size of the population he will rule.

It doesn't really matter to me, I was just surprised how from electing PHd people to now Yogis, has India gone down. I'd probably weep if we ever elect JI to power.

 

[Pakpak]

People didnt swallow nonsense for 80 years and are now doing it?Its time the left liberals look up their mistakes and try to correct them not blame "People". People will vote for their choice, you have to strive to be that choice.

The ability to spread nonsense via twitter and Facebook and garner tens of thousands of likes within minutes did not exist before. I followed UKIPs facebook pages and the amount of times fake pictures of army men being refused meals at Muslim shops got taken as fact and spread about thousands of times was unreal. Even now, go on Britain First's pages. This nonsense was harder to pull of before. Now any racist can sit down make up stuff, get thousands of likes and bingo. Trump sits there doing all this on twitter everyday.

 

[cricketjoshila]

1/31 is meaningless given the sheer size of the population he will rule.

It doesn't really matter to me, I was just surprised how from electing PHd people to now Yogis, has India gone down. I'd probably weep if we ever elect JI to power.

That sheer size will not matter much if rest of the country isnt in favour. None of the govt of last 15 years in UP has had any major influence in how the union govt of India works.

Yogi holds a post graduate degree in Mathematics. That Phd Manmohan Singh has to be one the worst PM India ever had.

You dont have to elect JI. Anyone who is elected have to follow the Islamic Constitution.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The ability to spread nonsense via twitter and Facebook and garner tens of thousands of likes within minutes did not exist before. I followed UKIPs facebook pages and the amount of times fake pictures of army men being refused meals at Muslim shops got taken as fact and spread about thousands of times was unreal. Even now, go on Britain First's pages. This nonsense was harder to pull of before. Now any racist can sit down make up stuff, get thousands of likes and bingo. Trump sits there doing all this on twitter everyday.

The left liberals have the same medium to refute it.

 

[Pakpak]

The left liberals have the same medium to refute it.

Before there is a chance to refute it, thousands have already seen/shared it. Are you going to send the refuted stuff to each of them? It doesn't work like that.

Take Brexit. The £350 million a week lie. Everyday people here and on English forums/media would refute it but once every knuckle dragger had been fed that lie then its hard.

When far-right websites are churning out daily fake pictures of supposed-abused-soldiers by the hour and having them shared in thousands by the hour its very hard to fight back. You can hardly sit there and go through the thousands of nonsense lies peddled on hundreds of pages each minute. I remember when Malala was shot and pictures of her showing how she faked her injury were being shared they spread rapidly. Everytime I tried to reason with idiots on my fb I'd get called a Western lover.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Before there is a chance to refute it, thousands have already seen/shared it. Are you going to send the refuted stuff to each of them? It doesn't work like that.

Take Brexit. The £350 million a week lie. Everyday people here and on English forums/media would refute it but once every knuckle dragger had been fed that lie then its hard.

When far-right websites are churning out daily fake pictures of supposed-abused-soldiers by the hour and having them shared in thousands by the hour its very hard to fight back. You can hardly sit there and go through the thousands of nonsense lies peddled on hundreds of pages each minute.

Propoganda has to be matched with propoganda.Thats how it works.

 

[Pakpak]

Propoganda has to be matched with propoganda.Thats how it works.

Unfortunately the right can lie and does so and wins. The left decides not to stoop to their level.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Unfortunately the right can lie and does so and wins. The left decides not to stoop to their level.

The left doesnt lie?Really?

 

[Pakpak]

The left doesnt lie?Really?

Brexit, Trump, UKIP I can name a lot of right-wing examples who won by lying or distorting half-truths.

Name me one left-wing government who came into power by fear-mongering or hate.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Brexit, Trump, UKIP I can name a lot of right-wing examples who won by lying or distorting half-truths.

Name me one left-wing government who came into power by fear-mongering or hate.

The a lot of rise of leftist politics is based on fear mongering and lying.You have to read about the extreme leftist movements.

 

[Pakpak]

The a lot of rise of leftist politics is based on fear mongering and lying.You have to read about the extreme leftist movements.

Name me one instead of saying a 'lot'

 

[javiersuka]

Hindu right rises so does the minority population in India.