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Rise of the selfish innings

Amla’s innings was the worst ever I have watched.

I have seen many top order players play selfishly in the middle order, not one player has ever played like that in last 10 overs. Can anyone give another example because I can’t of think any.
 
Imam is the most selfish. No opener plays at 20ish strike rate in first 6 power play overs :facepalm:
 
As the sun was setting down, Imam laborioulsy charged his way towards a 100. Soon he celebrated with a finger raising gesture to his lips, ready to silence his critics. He had scored a 100 in South Africa, a difficult place, with bounce troubling the best of Asian batsmen at times.

But it had come at a cost. A SR which struggled to go beyond 50 to 60 for most part of the innings and finally ended at 87. In old times, such a SR added to the final Pakistan score of 317-6 should have been hailed as a century for the watch keepers. However, in the cut throat cricket competition today, not many were pleased. Sure, he scored a century, but the pace of it, was NOT QUITE what the fans wanted.

Go back to a few days and find the South African Amla in a similar position. Again, similar circumstances and Amla refused to accelerate and refused to find the other gear, or even throw his wicket away trying. The end resut was a strange scoreline of 266-2 which Pakistan managed to overhaul with ease.

But then I've seen other knocks like these, the most famous Tendulkar knock against Bangladesh, a Dhawan knock if I remember correctly and many other knocks.

Cricket is being played at an alarming increase in pace nowadays. What was a winning score 1.5 decades ago, is now quite an average score. Batsmen are now improvising and finding new ways to hit the fence. The game is all about how much can you score off those 300 balls and is less about personal milestones and getting to that 100.

However, when innings like Imam and Amla come to mind, fans are quite less forgiving nowadays, especially when it comes at a price of a loss. I have nothing against Tendulkar, Imam or Amla or any other batsmen for that matter. Tendulkar has played his fair share of amazing innings and so has Amla. Even Imam will mature and grow to play faster innings provided that he gets other chances.

But innings like these are becoming less and less the norm because 300 balls is all you have to score a good score.

I remember [MENTION=135134]CricketAnalyst[/MENTION] once telling me scores of 10 (8) hit by Afridi are better than 30 off 50 balls and I used to think that it was laughable. But now cricket is being scored at such a fast pace, I tend to agree that its better to get out score 20 off 10 balls rather than hitting 100 off 120 balls because you have failed to give adequate chance to your team-mates to further boost the score.

I have a strong opinion that even scores like 324/4 scored today are worthless as is 266/2 or 317/6. Teams should be looking to score 350 all out, 310 all out or 334 all out.

What is the point of those 6 wickets, 4 wickets or 8 wickets you have in store when the 50 overs end?

Until the entire approach towards cricket is changed, ODI scores will continue to be of a certain mystery, with teams thinking that 300 is a good score. Only a few decades ago, 250 used to be a winning total and now 300 to 350 is considered a normal winning score.

But a winning score is one, that utilizes all your batsmen to the maximum ability and the full use of 300 balls to get the biggest target possible. It is not a score which one batsmen bats forever to score his 100 in hope of getting personal acclaim.

- Bassim.
POTW [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] take note please
 
Agreed, POTW.

What fans still don't seem to understand is that essentially India scored 150/2 in a 20 overs match. That can never be considered a good score.


India wins matches because they have a gun bowling unit in ODIs with 3 of the best 7-8 ODI bowlers currently.
 
fans complain about pitches these days being too flat and the rise of 350 scores

and then complain when teams don't score 350 every match
 
fans complain about pitches these days being too flat and the rise of 350 scores

and then complain when teams don't score 350 every match

You're missing the point. It's not about scoring 350. It's about scoring 300/2. ODIs are not tests, there is no point saving wickets if it costs scoring extra runs. Some players play selfish knocks to boost personal average and cost team their match. 320/10 is better than 300/2. 50 off 35 balls is better than 65 off 82 balls.
 
As the sun was setting down, Imam laborioulsy charged his way towards a 100. Soon he celebrated with a finger raising gesture to his lips, ready to silence his critics. He had scored a 100 in South Africa, a difficult place, with bounce troubling the best of Asian batsmen at times.

But it had come at a cost. A SR which struggled to go beyond 50 to 60 for most part of the innings and finally ended at 87. In old times, such a SR added to the final Pakistan score of 317-6 should have been hailed as a century for the watch keepers. However, in the cut throat cricket competition today, not many were pleased. Sure, he scored a century, but the pace of it, was NOT QUITE what the fans wanted.

Go back to a few days and find the South African Amla in a similar position. Again, similar circumstances and Amla refused to accelerate and refused to find the other gear, or even throw his wicket away trying. The end resut was a strange scoreline of 266-2 which Pakistan managed to overhaul with ease.

But then I've seen other knocks like these, the most famous Tendulkar knock against Bangladesh, a Dhawan knock if I remember correctly and many other knocks.

Cricket is being played at an alarming increase in pace nowadays. What was a winning score 1.5 decades ago, is now quite an average score. Batsmen are now improvising and finding new ways to hit the fence. The game is all about how much can you score off those 300 balls and is less about personal milestones and getting to that 100.

However, when innings like Imam and Amla come to mind, fans are quite less forgiving nowadays, especially when it comes at a price of a loss. I have nothing against Tendulkar, Imam or Amla or any other batsmen for that matter. Tendulkar has played his fair share of amazing innings and so has Amla. Even Imam will mature and grow to play faster innings provided that he gets other chances.

But innings like these are becoming less and less the norm because 300 balls is all you have to score a good score.

I remember [MENTION=135134]CricketAnalyst[/MENTION] once telling me scores of 10 (8) hit by Afridi are better than 30 off 50 balls and I used to think that it was laughable. But now cricket is being scored at such a fast pace, I tend to agree that its better to get out score 20 off 10 balls rather than hitting 100 off 120 balls because you have failed to give adequate chance to your team-mates to further boost the score.

I have a strong opinion that even scores like 324/4 scored today are worthless as is 266/2 or 317/6. Teams should be looking to score 350 all out, 310 all out or 334 all out.

What is the point of those 6 wickets, 4 wickets or 8 wickets you have in store when the 50 overs end?

Until the entire approach towards cricket is changed, ODI scores will continue to be of a certain mystery, with teams thinking that 300 is a good score. Only a few decades ago, 250 used to be a winning total and now 300 to 350 is considered a normal winning score.

But a winning score is one, that utilizes all your batsmen to the maximum ability and the full use of 300 balls to get the biggest target possible. It is not a score which one batsmen bats forever to score his 100 in hope of getting personal acclaim.

- Bassim.

Top post. I agree with you with a few exceptions. England probably plays the way you described and represents the modern way.

Your post only conveys half the story. Teams look at targets they want to set based on the bowling they have. Not everybody wants to go boom or bust. It is smart to look for that "minimum guarantee" score which you think your bowling can defend. It gives you a chance to win more often than not.
 
I completely agree.

I find it cringe worthy when cricketers celebrate their 50s and 100s with these elaborate celebrations, it's like they are playing for stats and not their country.

The selfless cricketers are the ones who will acknowledge the crowd and not do some praying and jumping around without their helmets.

But selfish cricketers can make very good cricketers as it creates motivation to reach milestones.
 
Another point is that the blame should go to Malik or Rayudu. They are the ones that can dictate if the score can be 324/4 or 317/6 or 330 all out. Opening batsmen can't go gungho unless you have gun batsmen after u. That's the luxury only England have
 
I see where u are coming from but this does take into account needing to have a feel for the game, things like targeting weaker bowlers to ensure that frontline a have to come back sooner than otherwise would and throwing off oppositions plans.
Having a left hand right hand combo to target shorter boundaries
When to transfer the pressure on oppositions and when to absorb given match situations.
Cricket isn't that formulaic and isn't played on excel.
Generally teams do have a mix of guys who bat slightly slower than the others and look to bat through ( root, Babar, williamson etc) whilst the others in the line up play a bit more freely
 
I sort of disagree.

Teams nowadays, set out to score 250 to 300 as a winning score and depending on the situation in the middle, change to 200 or 350 depending on the pitch conditions.

This is my idea to maximize output of a team.

Batsmen 1 -- Hitter
Batsmen 2 -- Stabilizer/Hitter If the batsmen 2 is a stabilizer his job should be to score at a SR of 90 throughout the innings and not get out.
Batsmen 3 --- Send a 90 SR batsmen if first wickets falls late, or a 80 SR batsmen if first wicket falls early. Batsmen 3 must make way if he is batting slower than 80.
Batsmen 4 -- Hitter
Batsmen 5 -- Send a 90 SR batsmen if 4 wickets are down with 200 on the board and 15 overs to go, otherwise batsmen 5 can be a 70-90 SR batsmen depending on situation.
Batsmen 6 - Hitter
Batsmen 7 - Hitter/Allrounder
Batsmen 8 - Hitter
Batsmen 9 - Hitter
Batsmen 10 - Hitter
Batsmen 11 - Hitter

Infact, only batsmen 2, batsmen 3 and batsmen 5 need to be real constructor of the innings, with the entire aim of remaining batsmen should be to hit out as much as possible.

If batsmen 2 and 3 are constructors, its often you will find yourself in position to hit.

And if top 4 are dismissed batsmen 5 can construct with batsmen 6 or 7 if they are all rounders.

I know my idea is unique, and slow to evolve but I am confident as cricket evolves further, they will be increased strategic awareness to find out that not every batsmen needs to construct an innings when the entire innings is 300 balls.

Infact, If I were the "strategic analyzer of the team" I'd ask the batsmen to think they are 6 sessions of 300 balls, each session being of 50 balls. Make sure that the first 50 balls are at least made 50 runs, no matter what the condition of the pitch.

The next 50 should be constructional, the next 50 attack, the next 50 consolidation, and final 100 attack as much as possible.

Segmental cricket is the way to go forward and this outdated philosophy of scoring 100s and 50s for personal gain should be discouraged as much as possible.

I see where u are coming from but this does take into account needing to have a feel for the game, things like targeting weaker bowlers to ensure that frontline a have to come back sooner than otherwise would and throwing off oppositions plans.
Having a left hand right hand combo to target shorter boundaries
When to transfer the pressure on oppositions and when to absorb given match situations.
Cricket isn't that formulaic and isn't played on excel.
Generally teams do have a mix of guys who bat slightly slower than the others and look to bat through ( root, Babar, williamson etc) whilst the others in the line up play a bit more freely

Was meant to reply to Dr here
 
One must be smoking Himachal's finest calling the best odi opener of this generation selfish lol. This is just hating for the heck of it.
 
Lol at this thread, Kohli not suited for high scoring t20s, Rohit is selfish, kaha se aate hai ye log?:viru
 
You're missing the point. It's not about scoring 350. It's about scoring 300/2. ODIs are not tests, there is no point saving wickets if it costs scoring extra runs. Some players play selfish knocks to boost personal average and cost team their match. 320/10 is better than 300/2. 50 off 35 balls is better than 65 off 82 balls.

that i can agree with
 
The real problem in my eyes is the pitches and playing conditions these days. 330 should be a score we see in 10% of ODIs, yet for some reason, it has become a norm, 275 is often seen as a low total, but 15 years ago that would be an above average total in most grounds.

This relates to ODI batting as well, due to excessively high totals these days, batting with a 80-85 SR is considered low. What used to be seen as building an innings is now seen as batting selfishly. And that label is often not wrong, but it has happened due to how totals have become so high. You don't have to play cautiously anymore, there are never periods where bowlers are on top, and you need to fight it out for 5-10 overs.

What I want to see is ODI par scores going down from 330 to something like 280. This can be achieved by ditching the 2 new ball rule, which would help spinners in the middle overs, and also bring back reverse swing in the last 10 overs, Also the ball needs to improve. White balls of old would swing and seam, and often they would do so prodigiously. You just don't see that anymore. Poor playing conditions for bowlers have essentially turned ODIs into a long, boring T20 game.

I have always disliked the norm of 300+ scores in ODIs, and I will continue to do so.
 
There are definitely players out there who put themselves ahead of the team.

But sooner or later those players get found out.
 
There are definitely players out there who put themselves ahead of the team.

But sooner or later those players get found out.

I would put majority of the Pakistani batsmen in that category, particularly the younger guys
 
we need selfless players.

Imran Khan absolutely loved Ijaz Ahmed because of his selfless attitude.
 
Hussain Talat's 55 off 41 balls when his team were chasing 189.

Put pressure on all of the other batsmen with his poor gameplan.

So many dot balls (13) and looked like he was just playing for his 50.
 
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Hussain Talat's 55 off 41 balls when his team were chasing 189.

Put pressure on all of the other batsmen with his poor gameplan.

So many dot balls and looked like he was just playing for his 50.

Criminal! but thats what it is

He was sent in earlier and he took too long and put so much pressure on the people in the end.
 
Talat should be dropped forever. Inept hitter of the ball.
 
babar azam first 19 balls -43 runs
next 39 balls 47 runs

Not sure if it's correct, but he slowed down a lot after 10th over when Pakistan was at 100/1

After 10 overs Babar faced 15 balls and scored 18 runs. Batsman on other end did the same and RR climbed from 8.xx to 12.xx despite having 9 wickets in hands. Poor game awareness.
 
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Babar also slowed down when needed to simply go with the flow.

How did Pakistan manage to lose this match after a spectacular batting start. Damn it.
 
Hussain Talat's 55 off 41 balls when his team were chasing 189.

Put pressure on all of the other batsmen with his poor gameplan.

So many dot balls (13) and looked like he was just playing for his 50.

He did the same in first game, plays for himself not for the team.
 
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