Ross Taylor GOAT ODI batsmen in the first innings?

[Bilal7]

Amla is the least harmful batsman with an incredible strike rate and yet absolutely pose no threat to opposition. In one dayers your match winning ability is proportional to the number of gears you have. ABDV is better than Taylor. But no way i would pick AMla over Taylor. Amla is just an statistical anomoly.

Spoken like a man who does not understand the first thing about "average SR".

 

[jnaveen1980]

Spoken like a man who does not understand the first thing about "average SR".

Spoken like a true AMla fan lol That guy is the least threatening batsman in history with higher strike rate. His aukat was badly exposed many times with utter lack of acceleration skills.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Spoken like a true AMla fan lol That guy is the least threatening batsman in history with higher strike rate. His aukat was badly exposed many times with utter lack of acceleration skills.

To be fair, Amla was so late to be introduced to ODIs because people argued he was more suited to test cricket. Amla is consistent, or rather was, hence the "anomaly". That doesn't make him less unique or less great. Amla would make pretty much all national sides.

 

[Bilal7]

To be fair, Amla was so late to be introduced to ODIs because people argued he was more suited to test cricket. Amla is consistent, or rather was, hence the "anomaly". That doesn't make him less unique or less great. Amla would make pretty much all national sides.

That guy is a nonsensical hater who has nothing to back up his caveman-level logic with. He's not going to be fair.

 

[Bilal7]

Spoken like a true AMla fan lol That guy is the least threatening batsman in history with higher strike rate. His aukat was badly exposed many times with utter lack of acceleration skills.

Your lack of communication skills are doing an awful job at explaining Amla's lack of "acceleration skills".

A batsman who starts his innings at a SR of 100 does not need to do a whole lot of accelerating to put together a match-winning innings. Amla has 24 centuries in wins for a reason.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is what happens when you have ill intentions. The objective of this thread was to made Kohli bad, but it has backfired in spectacular fashion.

lol . I apologise for hurting your feelings

It was to highlight Taylor’s impressive record which many weren’t aware of . But it also highlights Kohli isn’t as good on the first innings , Miandad was better amongst others .

AB is great but Miandad having such an average in times when batting was much more difficult is remarkable, so I put him no.1 now

 

[JaDed]

Your lack of communication skills are doing an awful job at explaining Amla's lack of "acceleration skills".

A batsman who starts his innings at a SR of 100 does not need to do a whole lot of accelerating to put together a match-winning innings. Amla has 24 centuries in wins for a reason.

How many of those wins without ABD contributing?

 

[Dead Ball]

Umm...Kohli has scored 15 centuries in 90 innings while batting first at an average of almost 50...that's a conversion rate of a ton in every 6 innings!

He is not a beast like IVA Richards or ABDV while batting first but still dependable and highly consistent. Also, you will NEVER see him play a selfish innings like Amla did in the first ODI against Pakistan or SRT's ridiculous 100th 100...

So all in all, not the best ever batting first...but still super consistent. Maybe, he will put this statistical 'anomaly' to rest by the time he hangs his boot too...just like he did in England 2018

 

[jnaveen1980]

Your lack of communication skills are doing an awful job at explaining Amla's lack of "acceleration skills".

A batsman who starts his innings at a SR of 100 does not need to do a whole lot of accelerating to put together a match-winning innings. Amla has 24 centuries in wins for a reason.

Says who? When there are wickets in hand you are expected to accelerate at the end not go at run a ball in the slog over. Amla can't do. Not even a week gone since his played selfishly and lost the game for SA. Even his captain had to refer to that innings in the post match ceremony. Amla's lack of acceleration skills were compensated by other talented SA batsmen.

 

[SportsWarrior]

SO now someone with 4.5 K runs batting first is a GOAT, just because it suits OPs agenda.. there are two names in the OP list which are ahead

 

[fitCricFan]

Can we also have a consensus on the 1st innings GOAT who played only in Test matches and ODI's and the test match was an even numbered match that did not start or end in a leap year and at-least one day of that test was on a Friday excluding the months ending in an odd #.

and just for the record its definitely NOT Virat Kohli

 

[Chokli]

Says who? When there are wickets in hand you are expected to accelerate at the end not go at run a ball in the slog over. Amla can't do. Not even a week gone since his played selfishly and lost the game for SA. Even his captain had to refer to that innings in the post match ceremony. Amla's lack of acceleration skills were compensated by other talented SA batsmen.

oh man, not this again

 

[Ab Fan]

Ross Taylor is a great ODI batsmen without any shadow of doubt. However, we have to remember that in the first 10 years of his cricket, he was considered as a soft player who was overshadowed by other Kiwi batters, the likes of McCullum and Williamson as well as the new ball pairing of Boult and Southee.

It is only in the last three years that he has found form and elevated his level to a great batsmen and arguably the greatest produced by NZ in ODI cricket.

For ATG, I am not sure but I feel he needs to do a bit more to get there.

 

[Bilal7]

How many of those wins without ABD contributing?

You can ask the same question the other way around or ask how many tons in wins does Kohli/Rohit have with Rohit/Kohli not contributing. The answer would be the same each time:

Says who? When there are wickets in hand you are expected to accelerate at the end not go at run a ball in the slog over. Amla can't do. Not even a week gone since his played selfishly and lost the game for SA. Even his captain had to refer to that innings in the post match ceremony. Amla's lack of acceleration skills were compensated by other talented SA batsmen.

Yes, Amla depends on the other batsmen in the team to do their job just like every other batsman to ever play the game. What else is new?

It's like people forget that this is a team game and no one batsman can do everything all on his own.

 

[jnaveen1980]

To be fair, Amla was so late to be introduced to ODIs because people argued he was more suited to test cricket. Amla is consistent, or rather was, hence the "anomaly". That doesn't make him less unique or less great. Amla would make pretty much all national sides.

Sorry i would rather go with a result oriented player over Amla.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You can ask the same question the other way around or ask how many tons in wins does Kohli/Rohit have with Rohit/Kohli not contributing. The answer would be the same each time:



Yes, Amla depends on the other batsmen in the team to do their job just like every other batsman to ever play the game. What else is new?

It's like people forget that this is a team game and no one batsman can do everything all on his own.

This guy will share the least amount of load in a scenario where the team needs acceleration. There was a match when SA needed like 12 runs in 2 overs and he was playing out dot balls despite being there almost the entire innings.

 

[Bilal7]

This guy will share the least amount of load in a scenario where the team needs acceleration. There was a match when SA needed like 12 runs in 2 overs and he was playing out dot balls despite being there almost the entire innings.

So in a situation where the team needs 12 runs in 12 balls, the need of the hour is acceleration? Did he get out playing a forward defensive in that match as well?

 

[Tracer Bullet]

When his side is batting first, he hasn't been anything special.

Also to add if we looked at the numbers kohli never scored ODI hundred on Saturday
and his average dropped down to 14.56 for that particular day of the week, if we look at the stats of other players Miandad average 56.87 and Dinesh Chandimal average staggering 87.52 whenever they step on the field on Saturday... So if match is scheduled on Saturday i will have miandad or chandimal in my team over Kohli without a second thought..... I don't understand why Indians riled up when someone says that kohli is not good at something... He can't be good in everything or every day of the week... Accept it and move on.

 

[jnaveen1980]

So in a situation where the team needs 12 runs in 12 balls, the need of the hour is acceleration? Did he get out playing a forward defensive in that match as well?

He couldn't even rotate the strike. Acceleration is not just his weakness.

 

[King Kong]

Also to add if we looked at the numbers kohli never scored ODI hundred on Saturday
and his average dropped down to 14.56 for that particular day of the week, if we look at the stats of other players Miandad average 56.87 and Dinesh Chandimal average staggering 87.52 whenever they step on the field on Saturday... So if match is scheduled on Saturday i will have miandad or chandimal in my team over Kohli without a second thought..... I don't understand why Indians riled up when someone says that kohli is not good at something... He can't be good in everything or every day of the week... Accept it and move on.

This cracked me up lol...

 

[Adijazz1706]

Amla and ABD say hi, even Babar has been great so far

 

[jagatk]

Also to add if we looked at the numbers kohli never scored ODI hundred on Saturday
and his average dropped down to 14.56 for that particular day of the week, if we look at the stats of other players Miandad average 56.87 and Dinesh Chandimal average staggering 87.52 whenever they step on the field on Saturday... So if match is scheduled on Saturday i will have miandad or chandimal in my team over Kohli without a second thought..... I don't understand why Indians riled up when someone says that kohli is not good at something... He can't be good in everything or every day of the week... Accept it and move on.

If this is true, I would really like to see who came up with this filter and how on earth did they even have a database to do it.

 

[Shandarchowka]

I like your posts.

On topic:

People can argue that AB was only good while batting first (or no pressure), but I've seen some fine innings from him while chasing.

Even [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has stated that AB is not a choker. If people can get past that bias, they would see what an awesome player he was.

Perhaps someone would be brave enough to start a chasing thread.

Thank you! I like your posts as well

Watching ABD was a pleasure and he is by far the best entertainer of this era, no matter what stats (haha not that ABD needs that cushion though). He will always be at the top of any cricket fan's mind while thinking about great batsmanship. He is the GOAT.

 

[big_gamer007]

Also to add if we looked at the numbers kohli never scored ODI hundred on Saturday
and his average dropped down to 14.56 for that particular day of the week, if we look at the stats of other players Miandad average 56.87 and Dinesh Chandimal average staggering 87.52 whenever they step on the field on Saturday... So if match is scheduled on Saturday i will have miandad or chandimal in my team over Kohli without a second thought..... I don't understand why Indians riled up when someone says that kohli is not good at something... He can't be good in everything or every day of the week... Accept it and move on.

Haha really? Can you post the link to this filter that's funny.

 

[anoop]

Sachin will be above Ross in 1st innings. He has made double the runs at similar strikerate. Moreover Ross average (52) is good but not out of the world like Kohli's 69 while chasing. Ross is having a purple since last two years and from he can go down too.
ABDV too is better than Ross

 

[Abdullah719]

93 today for 'GOAT'.