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First of all, hello everybody. This is my first post on the forum :)

Just was curious to know what you guys think about this comparison. Three 'modern' limited overs bowlers who bowl all sort of variations; cutters, slower balls, yorkers, etc. which makes them very hard to target.

For me, Rumman > Mustafiz > Bumrah
 
Welcome to PP.

Rumman is quite inexperienced on the international level,need to see more of him,although he has been good in the PSL.

Mustafiz has a good record in ODI's,a bit better than Bumrah,but after his return from injury,he doesn't look like the same bowler.Hope he comes back strongly.

At the moment Bumrah is the best of the lot.
 
The Fizz is trash.. as we saw in the whole CT, his figures was 1-183...

But Rumman on DEBUT in semi finals knockouts against ENGLAND, his figures was 2-44... he troubled the openers and made them look like a 8 ranked side.
 
Bumrah>Rumman>Fizz

But Rumman can be equal to Bumrah.

A very apt comparison IMO.
 
Mustafizur because he ran through a rampant Indian cricket team, TWICE. Has great numbers. Got a 5fer in the T/20 WC.

The only reason he had a poor CT was because he was fresh from an injury.
 
Good comparison this! Welcome!

I'd go with Bumrah rn because of that extra yard of pace but it remains to be seen if he can get to his best after that traumatising CT final performance. :afridi
 
ExpressPacer said:
Mustafizur because he ran through a rampant Indian cricket team, TWICE. Has great numbers. Got a 5fer in the T/20 WC.

The only reason he had a poor CT was because he was fresh from an injury.
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I was looking forward to his performances, hopefully he can get back to his best; maybe BD would have done even better if their star man was firing on all cylinders
 
For me it is Roman Reigns, he is the winner of this triple threat :afridi He has the it factor and is so damn deceptive, he is like a fighter jet with the most advanced acoustic liners; you just won't know what hit you and you won't hear him coming either [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]. Great find for Pakistan and it's a nice problem to have when we have trouble getting him in the XI. The PSL has been quiet the revelation for Pakistan Cricket.
 
shaz619 said:
For me it is Roman Reigns, he is the winner of this triple threat :afridi He has the it factor and is so damn deceptive, he is like a fighter jet with the most advanced acoustic liners; you just won't know what hit you and you won't hear him coming either [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]. Great find for Pakistan and it's a nice problem to have when we have trouble getting him in the XI. The PSL has been quiet the revelation for Pakistan Cricket.
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It's his yard now. :akhtar
 
shaz619 said:
I was looking forward to his performances, hopefully he can get back to his best; maybe BD would have done even better if their star man was firing on all cylinders
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Yep. Personally, I think he should have never played the IPL. Not only has it made his variations innocuous because of his extensive use of them there but also his fragile and weak frame was hindered playing so much cricket all in one go. But then again, you can't really blame him. He comes from a poor family and BCB can never compensate him the money/experience he gains in the IPL or any other such leagues.
 
Ruman needs more time yet. I'm sure he can succeed at international level.

I'll take Mustafizur over Bumrah.
 
Rumman raees will overtake them both in 1 year. Although both of them are 2-3 years younger than rumman so they can catch up. Rumman has the bowling brain among these 3 and he is the most cunning among the 3. Infact he is the most clever bowler in Pakistan.
 
Hasan123 said:
More international games. Don't want to just judge him off PSL.
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He just destroyed the world's most destructive batting line up in his debut match of a knock out game, yeah judge him of that.
 
There's not even a competition... it's Bumrah by a mile then Rumman.

Mustafiz as a fast finger spinner is not even fit enough to play most of the year, he cannot be included in this comparison.
 
shaz619 said:
For me it is Roman Reigns, he is the winner of this triple threat :afridi He has the it factor and is so damn deceptive, he is like a fighter jet with the most advanced acoustic liners; you just won't know what hit you and you won't hear him coming either [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]. Great find for Pakistan and it's a nice problem to have when we have trouble getting him in the XI. The PSL has been quiet the revelation for Pakistan Cricket.
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He is THE man!
 
Lol not long a go on PP Mustafizur was the best bowler from Asia. Now he is being compared to a rookie who has only played one ODI.

Nehow Rumman hasnt played enough to make a judgement call on him while Mustafizur and Bumrah both are extremely over rated. Can't say who is better than the other. All average to me. Rumman potentially is better than both.
 
Raees has played just 1 game, yet he's some legend when people kept saying Mustafiz would be found out.

IMO, Bumrah is massively overrated. He's got pace and thats it. Whats his record when you exclude mighty Zimbabwe? Quite average.
 
ATM Bumrah but Rumman has potential to be better than all 3. Do not rate Mustafiz anymore.
 
The Fizz... is going to best bowler of champion trophy!!! He's gonna get 7 wickets each against England, Australia, and India... he will win trophy for Bangla Land!!!

:afridi
 
Rumman Raees because it took him just 3 international games to be compared to these 2.
 
Who's this rumman? Lol. :))

Bumrah and fizz both r world class bowler who's been performing consistently since their debut Where's rumman is a nobody. No comparison. Both bumrah and fizz wipes the floor with rumman.
 
shaz619 said:
This made me chuckle :))
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Oh, come on, Shazzy! Give the lad credit where its due. The way he was cranking up those late 140's, it was pretty impressive. And to get those wonderful yorkers in at that pace is literally unplayable.
 
tbh i'm majorly disappointed in mustafiz. not only he didn't take wickets, he didn't look like taking wickets. that isn't a good thing.

personally i rate bumrah as probably the second best death overs bowler in the world behind only bhuvi. almost laser guided yorkers.

rumman has played a total of two t-20's and one 50 overs match. so yeah, massive sample size ...
 
I don't understand the hype around Bumrah. Even the likes of Ahmed Shehzad & Umar Akmal thrashed him at the CLT20.

Mustafiz had a poor tournament, but he has troubled some very good batsmen in his career and is the superior bowler IMO.
 
Come on guys Fizz had one, yes one bad tournament. He hasn't fully recovered from injury yet.

He was good against SL and tri nation series too.

But not even close to his best. When he does he will be lethal as before. It's funny how the whole world changes after like a single tournament.

Azhar Ali better than Kohli
Pakistan bowling is the best in the world (in the CT Pakistan did bowl the best)
ABDV is a mediocre cricketer, we know he chokes at times
Mustafiz is a substandard bowler. Raees Wahab are wayyy better.
Kohli is a choker

A barely 3 week long series doesn't have much to prove. It's just another tournament at the end of the day and least significant of the ICC events.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Oh, come on, Shazzy! Give the lad credit where its due. The way he was cranking up those late 140's, it was pretty impressive. And to get those wonderful yorkers in at that pace is literally unplayable.
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He's a good bowler
 
Bumrah and Rahman are ahead, with Rahman the best of all three though he had a bad CT.

Raees is so new to international level, difficult to compare with the other two. It did however seem from what I saw of Raees was good signs, great control, bowls well in the right areas consistently. These type of bowlers do well in LOI generally, they are difficult to hit. Having said that if Amir does what Raees does but better, bowling at faster speeds, and Junaid and Hasan generally being more lethal (though these two particularly Junaid do have a tendency to get hit from time to time if they get it wrong).

My feeling is he will edge out Junaid eventually and start with Amir and Hasan. Junaid is lethal on his day, but too inconsistent.

Having four pacers in the wings with any of them being able to come in is great honestly. It means if one gets injured we have a replacement. If we choose to go with 4 pacers and drop a spinner we can do that. If one pacer is out of form, we can replace easily. And lastly we can keep rotating around the attack, resting a player which makes it harder for teams to plan against our attack.Too many times in the past we've been over reliant on the one/two pacers. Remember when Akhtar or Asif were out which they were missing for us a lot of the time, we really did struggle with the ball, the replacements just weren't adequate.
 
And isn't it funny how BD fans rate their teams despite the fact that they have not won one ICC tournament? Or won one overseas test series? You have been a notorious hater of Pakistan cricket.
 
I'd say Mustafiz is the best atm, Bumrah choked under pressure in the final and Rumman needs more international games so we can see how he stacks up against them. Yes Mustafiz had a poor tournament but he just came back from injury and doesn't really have that much support from the rest of the BD attack as it's quite mediocre imo.
 
ManFan said:
And isn't it funny how BD fans rate their teams despite the fact that they have not won one ICC tournament? Or won one overseas test series? You have been a notorious hater of Pakistan cricket.
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SA and NZ have zero world cup trophy at their arsenal. West Indies have 2 World cups.

So what's your point? We played our first world cup 18 years back. It will take time to develop a world cup winning side

We rate our team because of the upward curve we have seen lately
 
BDwarriors said:
in your own team i meant. Will he get chance to play within 11.
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He might be your #1 bowler ever in history of Bangladesh... but for us he's just a decent bowler... Pakistan has a lot of good bowlers..
 
You will find a trundler like Rehman in every street of Lahore and karachi.
 
Same can be said for Pakistan. The reason why BD is not rated highly still is because they lack quality bowing and batting. Even Tamin in the recent CT batted way too slowly for an opener. BD has only won an overseas series against SL and NZ, both teams in a state of rebuilding. Don't use the excuse of we have only been playing world cups for the last 18 years. It only took SA their first World Cup to make it to the semi-finals. BD hasn't even won an overseas test while Pakistan won in England and India on their first tours.
 
ManFan said:
Pakistan won in England and India on their first tours.
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Evidence? This says you are lying. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=7;type=team
 
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Executioner said:
SA and NZ have zero world cup trophy at their arsenal. West Indies have 2 World cups.

So what's your point? We played our first world cup 18 years back. It will take time to develop a world cup winning side

We rate our team because of the upward curve we have seen lately
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No one will rate Bd till another 5 years at least and by that time Tamim mushy Shakib will retire probably.

Bd is ranked lower than Afg in T20 man. Even poor WI can at least win a T20 cup.
 
ManFan said:
Same can be said for Pakistan. The reason why BD is not rated highly still is because they lack quality bowing and batting. Even Tamin in the recent CT batted way too slowly for an opener. BD has only won an overseas series against SL and NZ, both teams in a state of rebuilding. Don't use the excuse of we have only been playing world cups for the last 18 years. It only took SA their first World Cup to make it to the semi-finals. BD hasn't even won an overseas test while Pakistan won in England and India on their first tours.
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No use comparing us with cricket of the 60s and 70s when there was hardly many teams playing.
 
Pakistan tour of England 1954: 4th Test at the Oval: Pakistan win by 24 runs
Pakistan tour of India 1952-1953: 2nd Test Lucknow: Pakistan win by an innings and 43 runs
 
Doesn't change the fact that it only took SA their first WC to make it the semi-finals and that was in 1992. And Bangladesh has not even won one test overseas and it has been 18 years since they were given Test status.
 
My fault than. 4 Test matches in 18 years? Seems a bit of a long stretch to call that a quality team, eh? Oh and who did those wins come against? West Indies and Zimbabawe? Nice.
 
ManFan said:
Doesn't change the fact that it only took SA their first WC to make it the semi-finals and that was in 1992. And Bangladesh has not even won one test overseas and it has been 18 years since they were given Test status.
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South Africans were from British descendants man.

As for WC semi, even Kenya played in a WC semi.

Cricket is not an easy game to master. It takes years before developing into a good side.
 
ManFan said:
My fault than. 4 Test matches in 18 years? Seems a bit of a long stretch to call that a quality team, eh? Oh and who did those wins come against? West Indies and Zimbabawe? Nice.
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Pakistan won 2 overseas tests in their first 18 years.
 
Oh yes. But they were against England and India who are far far more competitive than Zimbabwe and a broken West Indies team.
 
What does South Africans descending from Britain have to do with cricket? Also, Kenya rightfully got demolished in the Semi-Final and showed it was a political fluke more than anything else.
 
ManFan said:
What does South Africans descending from Britain have to do with cricket? Also, Kenya rightfully got demolished in the Semi-Final and showed it was a political fluke more than anything else.
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It does a lot. If group of Americans move into an Island, you better believe they will be still pretty good at Baseball, Basketball. Swimming,etc.

Pak, Ind, SL, NZ all got destroyed by Aus in the final too.
 
What final? Also you're argument is incorrect. South Africa were able to do so well despite being isolated from cricket for so long due to their tremendous domestic cricket and Rene tours. Not their " British genes " or whatever that means.
 
In WC final from 1999-2015 Aus destroyed every team they faced in the final.


Yeah, If Brazillians moves into an Island pretty sure it will still play way better football than Ind, Pak, Ban.
 
Khwaja said:
He might be your #1 bowler ever in history of Bangladesh... but for us he's just a decent bowler... Pakistan has a lot of good bowlers..
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So he will not play in the main team yet he is better than international players? Okay!
 
bumrah is much better than both now. He choked one game. rumman is an unknown in international cricket and fizz is only good in spinning conditions
 
shaz619 said:
I was looking forward to his performances, hopefully he can get back to his best; maybe BD would have done even better if their star man was firing on all cylinders
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ExpressPacer said:
Mustafizur because he ran through a rampant Indian cricket team, TWICE. Has great numbers. Got a 5fer in the T/20 WC.

The only reason he had a poor CT was because he was fresh from an injury.
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I agree.Mustafizur is a bowler who depends on rhythm,he was never an express fast bowler.He is still fresh from injury.So, he needs time to get into the groove.Some of us are passing premature comments and have totally written him off.Bangladesh pace bowling line up is too much dependent on him.Sooner he gets back his form,better for Bangladesh.It seems to me that he will need more time than usual to get back to form.He should just follow the basics.Go back to the domestic cricket and work hard,take time without hurry.International cricket is not the ideal stage for him to prepare.
 
Executioner said:
Come on guys Fizz had one, yes one bad tournament. He hasn't fully recovered from injury yet.

He was good against SL and tri nation series too.

But not even close to his best. When he does he will be lethal as before. It's funny how the whole world changes after like a single tournament.

Azhar Ali better than Kohli
Pakistan bowling is the best in the world (in the CT Pakistan did bowl the best)
ABDV is a mediocre cricketer, we know he chokes at times
Mustafiz is a substandard bowler. Raees Wahab are wayyy better.
Kohli is a choker

A barely 3 week long series doesn't have much to prove. It's just another tournament at the end of the day and least significant of the ICC events.
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Well said.
 
No one is saying Wahab is better than Fizz. They would have to be insane to do so. As far as the other points, they are all correct. Azhar has outperformed Kholi in Tests as of late and even in an ODI final. Fizz is a cutter in the mould of Fazal Mahmoud. However, Fazal was a premier bowler in the 50's. Bowling only cutters will catch up with you eventually. Fizz's pace is decent but his physique is horrible. He comes from a poor background and that is understandable but he has had enough exposure now to live rather comfortablely than before. He is going through a bad patch but he will never be a top Test bowler. Rather a great LOI bowler as his variations are very deceptive.
 
Bumrah is way ahead in terms of accuracy ( mostly) and pace. All three of them are smart bowlers though.

Bumrah had sorted out Fakhar too, just that over stepping.

Its hard coming from a pak fan but I think Bumrah is a really good bowler. I didnt rate him much but saw him in ct and he knows what he is doing
 
I'm always taken aback by Bumrahs pace

People under rating The Fizzmeister here
 
Coconut said:
Who's this rumman? Lol. :))

Bumrah and fizz both r world class bowler who's been performing consistently since their debut Where's rumman is a nobody. No comparison. Both bumrah and fizz wipes the floor with rumman.
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I think u have no idea what world class means. It means u have to perform outside mirpur and against teams other then zimbabwe and Ireland.

DELUDED!!

Bhumra
Fizz
Raees

And only cos Raees is new.
 
Coconut said:
Who's this rumman? Lol. :))


Bumrah and fizz both r world class bowler who's been performing consistently since their debut Where's rumman is a nobody. No comparison. Both bumrah and fizz wipes the floor with rumman.
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Executioner said:
Come on guys Fizz had one, yes one bad tournament. He hasn't fully recovered from injury yet.

He was good against SL and tri nation series too.

But not even close to his best. When he does he will be lethal as before. It's funny how the whole world changes after like a single tournament.

Azhar Ali better than Kohli
Pakistan bowling is the best in the world (in the CT Pakistan did bowl the best)
ABDV is a mediocre cricketer, we know he chokes at times
Mustafiz is a substandard bowler. Raees Wahab are wayyy better.
Kohli is a choker

A barely 3 week long series doesn't have much to prove. It's just another tournament at the end of the day and least significant of the ICC events.
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1. You have made up some of those points. Noone has ever suggested Azhar to be in the same planet as Kohli.

2. Pak bowling is now the best in the world as a unit. Beyond doubt. Ask yourself who has a better bowling attack.

3. India batting >>>>>>>pak batting

4. Fizz. It was not just a poor tournament!! Its the fact he looked so mediocre! Im sorry but that won't be suddenly rectified to make him a world beater. He looked very very average.
 
Executioner said:
SA and NZ have zero world cup trophy at their arsenal. West Indies have 2 World cups.

So what's your point? We played our first world cup 18 years back. It will take time to develop a world cup winning side

We rate our team because of the upward curve we have seen lately
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WI legacy is 2nd only to Aus. Cant compare us with them.
 
Executioner said:
No use comparing us with cricket of the 60s and 70s when there was hardly many teams playing.
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I am afraid Bangladesh are a cricketing minnow still. Your greatest achievement by far is the test series drawn in Sri Lanka. You have an appalling record despite being a test nation for 18 years. Compare BD to Sri Lanka and your progress is put into perspective. BD will always be behind India, Pak, SL, Eng, Aus, NZ and Saffers.

Your battle is against WI, Afghans, Zimbabwe and Ireland. That is the bottom line.
 
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