India (231/4) defeat Bangladesh (228) by 6 wickets to make a triumphant start to their ICC Champions Trophy 2025 campaign

[Champ_Pal]

Rana is not doing badly, let's consider him for the match against Pakistan.

Dude cannot swing the new ball and he bowls at 135k. Worse he cannot even execute at the death with Yorkers.

India should drop both Shami and Rana and play Varun and Arshdeep.

If Shami cannot be dropped, at least Rana must be dropped for Arshdeep.

As we saw today, Indian batting not that strong and we may have to defend a low total of India bowls first. Something that Harshit and Axar cannot. No real wicket taking options and no death bowling specialists.

 

[Varun]

Why does Axar Patel bat so high up the order?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Why does Axar Patel bat so high up the order?

left/right/left/right - Gauti mantra.

 

[Mainul]

Pandya also dropped a dolly.Rahul missed a simple stumping chance.

Its part of the game. So its practically just ******** saying had we have done it the result could have been different etc etc.

 

[Mainul]

Guys i just typed ********. Its a very innocent word . Yes, ******** should nit have been marked as *******

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Good victory for India. Given their recent spankings by Bangladesh in other fields it will give them satisfaction to at least win in cricket.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Dude cannot swing the new ball and he bowls at 135k. Worse he cannot even execute at the death with Yorkers.

India should drop both Shami and Rana and play Varun and Arshdeep.

If Shami cannot be dropped, at least Rana must be dropped for Arshdeep.

As we saw today, Indian batting not that strong and we may have to defend a low total of India bowls first. Something that Harshit and Axar cannot. No real wicket taking options and no death bowling specialists.

Arshdeep is a special bowler. Not that Pakistan is great at the moment but he can certainly trouble us more than Rana.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Arshdeep is a special bowler. Not that Pakistan is great at the moment but he can certainly trouble us more than Rana.

Ideally i woudl want both. Both brings different variations. But that will impact the batting depth.

 

[ufcfan]

Dude cannot swing the new ball and he bowls at 135k. Worse he cannot even execute at the death with Yorkers.

Lol,he is well capable of clocking 145+ comfortably
He is new in international cricket just learning things,will come good

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Harshit Rama’s bowling is mediocre and his batting is as good as Shami’s.

If Arshdeep is not playing, Indian bowling will be extremely mediocre.

Harshit will destroy us. If not him Shami or Kuldeep will.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Why does Axar Patel bat so high up the order?

I really don't understand this? India need to play another batsman instead of a bowler. Against a good team like NZ or England etc it can catch them out having a short batting line up. Thought 2023 final would have clarified that.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Why does Axar Patel bat so high up the order?

Take a look at the scorecard of the series vs England. He also performed in the finals of t20 wc.

 

[MP2011]

I really don't understand this? India need to play another batsman instead of a bowler. Against a good team like NZ or England etc it can catch them out having a short batting line up. Thought 2023 final would have clarified that.

True.

Another extra batsman in place of a bowler.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I really don't understand this? India need to play another batsman instead of a bowler. Against a good team like NZ or England etc it can catch them out having a short batting line up. Thought 2023 final would have clarified that.

Bowling all rounders vs Batting all rounders. India has both.


Batting all rounders

Pandya
Nitish kumar Reddy
Riyan Paragh
Abhishek Sharma
Shivam Dube

Bowling all rounders

Jadeja
Sundar
Axar

Once KOhli/Rohit are out of the picture INdia will be a lot more flexible like they are in T20. You will have 7 or 8 bowlers. 8 or 9 batsmen most of them having top gear.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Arshdeep is a special bowler. Not that Pakistan is great at the moment but he can certainly trouble us more than Rana.

Arshdeep is 10 times the bowler than Rana is now.

Not hating on Rana. He is young and needs time. But his time is not now.

As it is, without Bumrah, India does not have a match winner with the ball. Arshdeep is the closest thing that India has in the absence of Bumrah. If India drops Arshdeep too, they have no real matchwinner with the ball. Only Kuldeep is.

 

[BDfanforever]

Yeah ODI is the only format requiring great planning around team combination. The current NZ setup looks great. Bracewell, Phillips, their ace batsmen as spinning all-rounders. Santer can also whack it when needed.

 

[Champ_Pal]

228 was never going to really Test Indian batting lineup.

Any team that scores 275+ has a good chance of winning against India. Be it Pakistan or NZ.

My guess is, NZ will expose our weak bowling and shaky batting. They have the right kind of bowlers and batsmen to demolish India.

 

[jnaveen1980]

228 was never going to really Test Indian batting lineup.

Any team that scores 275+ has a good chance of winning against India. Be it Pakistan or NZ.

My guess is, NZ will expose our weak bowling and shaky batting. They have the right kind of bowlers and batsmen to demolish India.

NZ's biggest advantage is they play IPL. Most of them are with CSK which is a massive plus. Playing on those tracks will keep you ready for spin attack.

 

[RexRex]

This poor fielding is going to cost India someday.

 

[Smbhayi]

Why Shami didn't get the MoM award.. a fifer is way better than a century anyday..

 

[Vikram1989]

Harshit Rama’s bowling is mediocre and his batting is as good as Shami’s.

If Arshdeep is not playing, Indian bowling will be extremely mediocre.

Should prefer washi if there is no dew.hardik can handle few overs.Atleast we can rotate washi against leggies for kohlis sake

 

[Vikram1989]

Bowling all rounders vs Batting all rounders. India has both.

Add proper batters like jaiswal, sai, tilak who can bowl too.we can have jurel too replacing midget

 

[jnaveen1980]

Why Shami didn't get the MoM award.. a fifer is way better than a century anyday..

Is he handsome like Gill? No

 

[Champ_Pal]

Is he handsome like Gill? No

The panel that decides MOM saw through the hair transplant of poor Shami bhai

 

[Champ_Pal]

Why Shami didn't get the MoM award.. a fifer is way better than a century anyday..

Batsmen for whatever reason gets preferential treatment from my observations as a cricket fan

While Shami bowled well, Gill also held the innings together and saw the team through to victory.

Both deserved it. Gill a bit more.

 

[charlie007]

Game was over first 10 overs. Hridoy saved BD from humiliation.

Does anyone else thinks Axar was chucking?

Shami too

 

[JaDed]

Even in one format BD cannot seem to do well, they really need to figure out the issue.

 

[Van_Sri]

Why Shami didn't get the MoM award.. a fifer is way better than a century anyday..

Didn’t take wickets at the right time to restrict Bangladesh but Gill’s Century was crucial for the win

 

[jnaveen1980]

Even in one format BD cannot seem to do well, they really need to figure out the issue.

These wickets are similar to Bangladesh wickets as well. Slow low turner which is not exactly conducive to Indian batting line up.

 

[sweep_shot]

Didn’t take wickets at the right time to restrict Bangladesh but Gill’s Century was crucial for the win

Without Shami, India could've been chasing 260-270.

In my opinion, Shami should've been the MOTM.

 

[sweep_shot]

Without Shami, India could've been chasing 260-270.

In my opinion, Shami should've been the MOTM.

I see @Rana gave haha to my post.

Did I say anything wrong? Shami took 5 wickets and BD still reached 228. Had Shami not taken those wickets, BD could've reached 260.

Shami was more impactful than Gill.

 

[BDfanforever]

Without Shami, India could've been chasing 260-270.

In my opinion, Shami should've been the MOTM.

Yes, if Shami didnt get Zakir in the 43rd over, They could've have finished with 250-260 score which would've shifted the momentum in BD favor despite being 35-5.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

In any case there was no way BD was winning that match, even if Shami or Gill weren’t playing. So debating their relative merits is academic. For my books, either was ok.

 

[Sachin fan]

Dude cannot swing the new ball and he bowls at 135k. Worse he cannot even execute at the death with Yorkers.

India should drop both Shami and Rana and play Varun and Arshdeep.

If Shami cannot be dropped, at least Rana must be dropped for Arshdeep.

As we saw today, Indian batting not that strong and we may have to defend a low total of India bowls first. Something that Harshit and Axar cannot. No real wicket taking options and no death bowling specialists.

Rana was swinging the new ball even more than Shami and was getting bounce and carry so no idea which match you were watching

His figures in almost every match has been very good so far.

This is just another example for Indian fans hating any new youngsters because they have a weird defensive mentality of wanting only known players and nothing else

Hating on someone who had figures of 3/31 and averages 19 in ODIs, is really weird. Your fantasy hate has no bearing on actual reality of his bowling.

 

[sweep_shot]

In any case there was no way BD was winning that match, even if Shami or Gill weren’t playing. So debating their relative merits is academic. For my books, either was ok.

Last 6 ODI games between BD and India, BD won 3 and India won 3.

Fielding depleted sides probably wouldn't have been a great idea. Just check what happened in Asia Cup 2023.

 

[Theanonymousone]

Rana was swinging the new ball even more than Shami and was getting bounce and carry so no idea which match you were watching

His figures in almost every match has been very good so far.

This is just another example for Indian fans hating any new youngsters because they have a weird defensive mentality of wanting only known players and nothing else

Hating on someone who had figures of 3/31 and averages 19 in ODIs, is really weird. Your fantasy hate has no bearing on actual reality of his bowling.

Agree on this.

Rana’s skill set wasnt enough on BGT tour but again its the 2 best Test nations competing at top level. You cannot expect a youngster to deliver on the trot. He was okayish but not enough.

But I would say, Rana was better than Prasidh and other fast bowlers coming through. He has better control. He just needs to develop better cricketing brain. Arshadeep is a better swing bowler IMO. But India can choose b/w them depending on conditions.

I am not sure how Shami will fare on slowish Dubai pitches. He is a seam bowler and slow pitches in Dubai doesnt suit his style. His pace-off deliveries lack control and I doubt how he will perform later in the tournament. But, counting him on his experience to deliver.

 

[Theanonymousone]

Last 6 ODI games between BD and India, BD won 3 and India won 3.

Fielding depleted sides probably wouldn't have been a great idea. Just check what happened in Asia Cup 2023.

Of those, 2 ODIs came in dustbowl pitches of Bangladesh, part of the reason why BD is not competitive anywhere in the world.

Playing India B side would make the matchup more competitive I would say

 

[uppercut]

Last 6 ODI games between BD and India, BD won 3 and India won 3.

Fielding depleted sides probably wouldn't have been a great idea. Just check what happened in Asia Cup 2023.

Only 25 more wins to go for the toygers to bring the W/L record to parity ... uffff New rivalry with Ex-Pakistani's

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@Hitman

 

[Hitman]

Only 25 more wins to go for the toygers to bring the W/L record to parity ... uffff New rivalry with Ex-Pakistani's

Team records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

and here is the story for all ICC events:

Team records | Combined Test, ODI and T20I records | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

@Hitman

Dost, don't waste your time.

 

[uppercut]

Dost, don't waste your time.

Cant pass up on free entertainment .... you know. Thats like saying NO to free beer. Criminal !

 

[Romali_rotti]

Without Shami, India could've been chasing 260-270.

In my opinion, Shami should've been the MOTM.

Yes agreed. Shami is part of the ummah afterall. Mashallah

 

[Romali_rotti]

I was pissed that Bangla kitty cats lost. The wicket looked slow and turning, I was sure the Indians wouldn't be able to chase this with losers like Rohit Korma and Fish Kohli in the side....

Damnn

 

[saimayubera]

I really don't understand this? India need to play another batsman instead of a bowler. Against a good team like NZ or England etc it can catch them out having a short batting line up. Thought 2023 final would have clarified that.

It's the opposite. Axar is playing as a floater, not his usual position.

India's batting lineup is longer now as Jadeja is at 8 rather than at 7 during the WC final.

India have 5 bats and then three all rounders. Just that KL bats below Axar sometimes for the left handedness.

so 8 batsmen/6 bowlers

 

[jnaveen1980]

It's the opposite. Axar is playing as a floater, not his usual position.

India's batting lineup is longer now as Jadeja is at 8 rather than at 7 during the WC final.

India have 5 bats and then three all rounders. Just that KL bats below Axar sometimes for the left handedness.

Based on his approach he is being used as a middle order pinch hitter against spin.

 

[MP2011]

Batsmen for whatever reason gets preferential treatment from my observations as a cricket fan

While Shami bowled well, Gill also held the innings together and saw the team through to victory.

Both deserved it. Gill a bit more.

Yeah, since he took us to win.

 

[MP2011]

Considering Rahul's wasn't particularly good behind stumps and fluffed an easy stumping chance which will haunt us against good teams, will Gambhir & Rohit give chance to Pant? Not that Pant has been any good in LoIs so far but anyone will be an upgrade over Rahul.

 

[kron]

228 was never going to really Test Indian batting lineup.

Any team that scores 275+ has a good chance of winning against India. Be it Pakistan or NZ.

My guess is, NZ will expose our weak bowling and shaky batting. They have the right kind of bowlers and batsmen to demolish India.

No they won’t. They will get destroyed.

 

[kron]

Rana was swinging the new ball even more than Shami and was getting bounce and carry so no idea which match you were watching

His figures in almost every match has been very good so far.

This is just another example for Indian fans hating any new youngsters because they have a weird defensive mentality of wanting only known players and nothing else

Hating on someone who had figures of 3/31 and averages 19 in ODIs, is really weird. Your fantasy hate has no bearing on actual reality of his bowling.

That guy is clueless. Harshit is a special talent. He will destroy Pakistan and nz