Sachin Tendulkar vs Abdul Razzaq in Australia (ODI’s) - Who performed better?

[shaz619]

Abdul Razzaq

Batting Average: 32.61 @ S/R off 81.22

Bowling Average: 26.18

Sachin Tendulkar

Batting Average: 34.67 @ S/R off 75.26

Bowling Average: 86.60

I thought this is a very interesting comparison really (mainly for the batting as Sachin blurred the lines when it came to his A/R capabilities but he wasn’t exactly a part timer with the ball either), there’s a famous clip of Razzaq on YT smashing McGrath to bits; and it turns out, there’s no smoke without fire!

On the other hand, Sachin kind of underperformed in Australian when it came to ODI’s. His average is slightly better than Razzaq’s, but he scored a lot more slowly and the Razzler used the long handle a lot better.

Just going off the Batting, I think Razzaq performed better than Sachin in Australia for the ODI format within the confines of his role really and I was very surprised by his bowling there to; I think pre-injuries in the 2000’s with that extra yard of pace he was devastating and very skilful with the new ball to and that meant he was still successful even in his later years.

 

[shaz619]

@DeadlyVenom @RedwoodOriginal @BunnyRabbit @Suleiman @Rana @Major @gazza619

 

[Sachin fan]

Clearly the legend Razzaq is superior and you proved it. I bow my head to him.

Sachin did win major tournaments like the CB series finals, the first ever india series win in Australia, but whaf does that count?

 

[shaz619]

Clearly the legend Razzaq is superior and you proved it. I bow my head to him.

Sachin did win major tournaments like the CB series finals, the first ever india series win in Australia, but whaf does that count?

Congrats to Sachin on winning those tournaments, cricket is a team sport after all, I wonder if Sachin’s mates would be happy with him taking all the credit.

And on the comparison, I am strictly looking at ODI’s in Australia during a very difficult era for touring teams over there against a special world champion team. I was kind of surprised by the performances of both batters really and thought Razzler just had a few individual moments of brilliance but he was more than handy there in general whenever he got to tour.

 

[shaz619]

The famous cameo, McGrath vs Razzler

@Cpt. Rishwat

 

[Rafale Nidhal Fan]

Abdul Razzaq

Batting Average: 32.61 @ S/R off 81.22

Bowling Average: 26.18

Sachin Tendulkar

Batting Average: 34.67 @ S/R off 75.26

Bowling Average: 86.60

I thought this is a very interesting comparison really (mainly for the batting as Sachin blurred the lines when it came to his A/R capabilities but he wasn’t exactly a part timer with the ball either), there’s a famous clip of Razzaq on YT smashing McGrath to bits; and it turns out, there’s no smoke without fire!

On the other hand, Sachin kind of underperformed in Australian when it came to ODI’s. His average is slightly better than Razzaq’s, but he scored a lot more slowly and the Razzler used the long handle a lot better.

Just going off the Batting, I think Razzaq performed better than Sachin in Australia for the ODI format within the confines of his role really and I was very surprised by his bowling there to; I think pre-injuries in the 2000’s with that extra yard of pace he was devastating and very skilful with the new ball to and that meant he was still successful even in his later years.

little guy getting exposed once again....oops

 

[Suleiman]

Honestly forgot about Sachin entirely, what a legend, quietly came and went didn’t make much of a noise, can’t even recall a high octane innings as a neutral fan- a true non controversial figure.

Can’t say the same for Abdul Razzaq who would give you an emotional rollercoaster and turn the tide against world class bowlers single-handedly out of nowhere. Too much stress for a lot of ppl yaar.

Same for Shoaib ShowStopper Malik, his Indian slaying will live in infamy.

 

[Red Devil]

@DeadlyVenom @RedwoodOriginal @BunnyRabbit @Suleiman @Rana @Major @gazza619

Let's be honest, Sachin might have better numbers due to decades worth of stat padding but he can only dream of playing an innings like this

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Batting in Australian conditions wasn't always the easiest.

Some of PAK's ODI greats all average less, and some average significantly less, than Abdul Razzaq and SRT in Australia- Zaheer Abbas, Salim Malik, Inzi, Ijaz, Anwar, MoYo all of them

 

[shaz619]

Honestly forgot about Sachin entirely, what a legend, quietly came and went didn’t make much of a noise, can’t even recall a high octane innings as a neutral fan- a true non controversial figure.

Can’t say the same for Abdul Razzaq who would give you an emotional rollercoaster and turn the tide against world class bowlers single-handedly out of nowhere. Too much stress for a lot of ppl yaar.

Same for Shoaib ShowStopper Malik, his Indian slaying will live in infamy.

Injuries just got to Razzaq & he notoriously slacked a bit with diet & fitness but he kept ploughing through them and was still world class for some time as an A/R although limited to specific forms.

I feel like the 09 triumph was the least those mercurial fellows owed us and at least we got 1 trophy out of them

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

@DeadlyVenom @RedwoodOriginal @BunnyRabbit @Suleiman @Rana @Major @gazza619

All these years later and we still haven't found anyone who even comes close to Razzler. Him and Afridi (in their prime) are arguably two of the cleanest hitters Pakistan has ever produced. He was ahead of his time when it came to being a pure all-rounder who could anchor, keep the scoreboard ticking, hit out, take the new-ball or really bowl at any stage of the innings

I think the comparison should be Abdul Razzaq v Hardik Pandya and obviously Razzaq would win because of the success he was able to find over a sustained period of time, not to mention across 46 tests. Whereas, Pandya although a very good white-ball cricketer will never be considered in the same category because his brittle body couldn't handle test cricket.

 

[Suleiman]

Let's be honest, Sachin might have better numbers due to decades worth of stat padding but he can only dream of playing an innings like this

Even RD bhai brought back at the mere mention of Abdul Razzaq. Unreal talent.

 

[shaz619]

Batting in Australian conditions wasn't always the easiest.

Some of PAK's ODI greats all average less, and some average significantly less, than Abdul Razzaq and SRT in Australia- Zaheer Abbas, Salim Malik, Inzi, Ijaz, Anwar, MoYo all of them

No doubt, which is why I was surprised by Razzaq really with both bat & ball! the latter is maybe forgotten because of his post injury pace loss, but you got to hand it to him when he was doing ok within the confines of his role compared to other specialist batters

 

[shaz619]

Let's be honest, Sachin might have better numbers due to decades worth of stat padding but he can only dream of playing an innings like this

He can only dream of inciting such jazbah

 

[shaz619]

Even RD bhai brought back at the mere mention of Abdul Razzaq. Unreal talent.

He returned like the Undertaker for the annual WM appearance bah gawd

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Let's be honest, Sachin might have better numbers due to decades worth of stat padding but he can only dream of playing an innings like this

My favorite Razzaq innings eventhough it came at the fag end of his career in a mostly empty stadium in Abu Dhabi

 

[shaz619]

All these years later and we still haven't found anyone who even comes close to Razzler. Him and Afridi (in their prime) are arguably two of the cleanest hitters Pakistan has ever produced. He was ahead of his time when it came to being a pure all-rounder who could anchor, keep the scoreboard ticking, hit out, take the new-ball or really bowl at any stage of the innings

I think the comparison should be Abdul Razzaq v Hardik Pandya and obviously Razzaq would win because of the success he was able to find over a sustained period of time, not to mention across 46 tests. Whereas, Pandya although a very good white-ball cricketer will never be considered in the same category because his brittle body couldn't handle test cricket.

Even ignoring their resume’s I just think all round skill for skill Razzler was better than Pandya, maybe Pandya is a better in fielding and against spin, but everything else no contest to be honest. I wanted to use Sachin to highlight just how under-appreciated and underrated Razzaq was, Pakistan never really appreciated him or Afridi and we spent most of their careers criticising them when maybe we should have bashed Azhar Mahmood a lot more…….oh wait

 

[Nikhil_cric]

No doubt, which is why I was surprised by Razzaq really with both bat & ball! the latter is maybe forgotten because of his post injury pace loss, but you got to hand it to him when he was doing ok within the confines of his role compared to other specialist batters

It actually shouldn't be that much of a surprise. He was probably the most underrated #7/finisher in ODI cricket, even if you forget about his bowling in the early years.

I mean Pakistan plays the likes of Shadab and Nawaz these days at #7. Huge downgrade from Razzaq

I think he's forgotten because he was a very average Test cricketer. And, rightly or wrongly, people tend not to fully appreciate guys who were ODI specialists.

 

[shaz619]

My favorite Razzaq innings eventhough it came at the fag end of his career in a mostly empty stadium in Abu Dhabi

Arguably the greatest ODI knock of all time

 

[Rajdeep]

What is the point when you cannot play the slower ball of Munaf Patel when his team needed him the most.

 

[shaz619]

It actually shouldn't be that much of a surprise. He was probably the most underrated #7/finisher in ODI cricket, even if you forget about his bowling in the early years.

I mean Pakistan plays the likes of Shadab and Nawaz these days at #7. Huge downgrade from Razzaq

I think he's forgotten because he was a very average Test cricketer. And, rightly or wrongly, people tend not to fully appreciate guys who were ODI specialists.

I don’t think he was that bad in Tests when you judge him against other cricketers in a similar role and lool at the scarcity of quality pace bowling A/R’s in general - Kallis the anamoly and he was arguably the greatest ever, and ODI’s back then were respected during a time when T20’s were not as big as they are now, we just spent most of his and Afridi’s career bashing them

 

[shaz619]

What is the point when you cannot play the slower ball of Munaf Patel when his team needed him the most.

Maybe he could have had some help from some terrible fielding, crooked umpiring and rigged Hawkeye for extra comfort when going out to bat

 

[Rajdeep]

Maybe he could have had some help from some terrible fielding, crooked umpiring and rigged Hawkeye for extra comfort when going out to bat

Yes not picking the slower ball is due to terrible fielding.

Okay then perhaps he shouldnt have nicked Ashish Nehra to keeper (Dravid) or get bowled by Srinath when his team needed him?

 

[Suleiman]

Injuries just got to Razzaq & he notoriously slacked a bit with diet & fitness but he kept ploughing through them and was still world class for some time as an A/R although limited to specific forms.

I feel like the 09 triumph was the least those mercurial fellows owed us and at least we got 1 trophy out of them

Late 90s to early 2000s was GOATed era for Pak Allrounders. Unfortunately none of them stabilized long term, but each had world class performances with bat and ball against the world’s best at least Azhar Mehmood, Afridi and Abdul Razzaq, Malik not so much bowling wise but batting wise he more than pulled his weight back then.

Sad that AR and Afridi were more or less done with the bat around the same time circa 2010 right around the cusp of the gloomy era of Pak LOI batting of 2011-2016

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Even ignoring their resume’s I just think all round skill for skill Razzler was better than Pandya, maybe Pandya is a better in fielding and against spin, but everything else no contest to be honest. I wanted to use Sachin to highlight just how under-appreciated and underrated Razzaq was, Pakistan never really appreciated him or Afridi and we spent most of their careers criticising them when maybe we should have bashed Azhar Mahmood a lot more…….oh wait

lol even Azhar Mahmood was underrated as an all-rounder. Azhar scored two test tons in South Africa against a South African attack of Donald, Pollock, Klusener, Kallis in Pakistan's only drawn test series in South Africa. And both times he came in during a crisis at 5-90, 5-110 etc. Pakistan's 90s side truly had an unreal level of depth. Even someone like Mahmood who was on the fringes of the national side, and was essentially a back-up for Razzaq was able to pull out performances like these against one of the best and most fearsome pace-attacks in the world.

And look at the all-rounders we now - Nawaz, Shadab, Faheem

It’s like replacing your warhorses with a practice dummies

 

[shaz619]

Yes not picking the slower ball is due to terrible fielding.

Okay then perhaps he shouldnt have nicked Ashish Nehra to keeper (Dravid) or get bowled by Srinath when his team needed him?

Make a thread about it so we can explore the ways of the 0.5 incher of your brethren, but why couldn’t the midget do well in Australia like Razzaq

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Late 90s to early 2000s was GOATed era for Pak Allrounders. Unfortunately none of them stabilized long term, but each had world class performances with bat and ball against the world’s best at least Azhar Mehmood, Afridi and Abdul Razzaq, Malik not so much bowling wise but batting wise he more than pulled his weight back then.

Sad that AR and Afridi were more or less done with the bat around the same time circa 2010 right around the cusp of the gloomy era of Pak LOI batting of 2011-2016

Afridi post-2009 (although I considered him finished as an ODI batter after 2007) was always painful to watch as a Pakistani fan. Every time he came in you just knew he was going to completely disregard the situation of the match or what was needed of him and bat as brainlessly as possible.

The T20 format feels like it was tailor-made for a cricketer like Afridi because the way he batted during the latter part of his career was perfect for modern-day T20 and what is required from a lower order batsman today.

 

[shaz619]

lol even Azhar Mahmood was underrated as an all-rounder. Azhar scored two test tons in South Africa against a South African attack of Donald, Pollock, Klusener, Kallis in Pakistan's only drawn test series in South Africa. And both times he came in during a crisis at 5-90, 5-110 etc. Pakistan's 90s side truly had an unreal level of depth. Even someone like Mahmood who was on the fringes of the national side, and was essentially a back-up for Razzaq was able to pull out performances like these against one of the best and most fearsome pace-attacks in the world.

And look at the all-rounders we now - Nawaz, Shadab, Faheem

It’s like replacing your warhorses with a practice dummies

Azhar maybe had the best burst from the get go doing well against ATG SA players, but for me and maybe it was injuries and lack of consistency with selection, I felt as though both Afridi & Razzaq did better over the duration of their careers. Neither of these guys were professionals off the pitch and when Azhar became a professional, he was handy in county cricket and by then I think he was just too old to play for Pakistan until Misbah made that cool again

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

What is the point when you cannot play the slower ball of Munaf Patel when his team needed him the most.

 

[shaz619]

Late 90s to early 2000s was GOATed era for Pak Allrounders. Unfortunately none of them stabilized long term, but each had world class performances with bat and ball against the world’s best at least Azhar Mehmood, Afridi and Abdul Razzaq, Malik not so much bowling wise but batting wise he more than pulled his weight back then.

Sad that AR and Afridi were more or less done with the bat around the same time circa 2010 right around the cusp of the gloomy era of Pak LOI batting of 2011-2016

I think the biggest loss for all these players was Bob Woolmer - the greatest coach of all time, he got the most out of this mercurial and unprofessional lot with his man management, he already was a walking encyclopaedia on cricket but he knew how to work with huge ego’s and did his best to squeeze the most out of them, while their peak’s were debatable their best most consistent run of form coincided during his coaching stint

 

[shaz619]

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The Spanky of cricket

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Azhar maybe had the best burst from the get go doing well against ATG SA players, but for me and maybe it was injuries and lack of consistency with selection, I felt as though both Afridi & Razzaq did better over the duration of their careers. Neither of these guys were professionals off the pitch and when Azhar became a professional, he was handy in county cricket and by then I think he was just too old to play for Pakistan until Misbah made that cool again

It was a different era and professionalism standards generally speaking were not high across the board. Azhar was not on the level of either of those two but still could have walked into the playing XI of many teams even during that time.

Yeah Azhar had a decent late career run. Even played a few seasons of IPL under his British passport.

 

[shaz619]

It was a different era and professionalism standards generally speaking were not high across the board. Azhar was not on the level of either of those two but still could have walked into the playing XI of many teams even during that time.

Yeah Azhar had a decent late career run. Even played a few seasons of IPL under his British passport.

The saddest sight for me with him was the 07 WC, ok fair enough he had been out of favour & not exactly prepared, but man, the state of him then, overweight, cramping after a few overs, the giant tid was out. I think that haunted him and it led to a resurgence for him in England but if he kept ready even when not in the Pakistan side, he’d have been very useful for us because out of all the A/R’s we had, he was the most orthodox & technically sound, he’d later evolve to be more useful in T20’s and used variation a fair bit, just a shame that work ethic was missing early on, while say someone like Younis Khan, always had it, so even after some difficult years, it served him well, and he even now his fitness fantastic for age

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The saddest sight for me with him was the 07 WC, ok fair enough he had been out of favour & not exactly prepared, but man, the state of him then, overweight, cramping after a few overs, the giant tid was out. I think that haunted him and it led to a resurgence for him in England but if he kept ready even when not in the Pakistan side, he’d have been very useful for us because out of all the A/R’s we had, he was the most orthodox & technically sound, he’d later evolve to be more useful in T20’s and used variation a fair bit, just a shame that work ethic was missing early on, while say someone like Younis Khan, always had it, so even after some difficult years, it served him well, and he even now his fitness fantastic for age

Pakistan has been behind the curve in this aspect more than other teams. By mid-2000s teams were starting to focus on fitness and professionalism more and certainly by the 2010s it was something everyone did focus on. But in the case of Pakistan; Younis, Afridi and Misbah (whatever you may think of him as a player) were the only players who looked like professional athletes. Younis in particular has always been in a league of his own when it comes to work-ethic. What's sad is how almost none of the Pakistani players were inspired by these guys or tried to learn from them. In India for instance, Kohli was the first guy who really made fitness an essential part of who he was as a cricketer, and not only did it take him to another level as a player but it also inspired a bunch of Indian cricketers to do the same.

 

[aarizzler720]

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The Asian Mcgrath!!!!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This is an interesting comparison. If you had asked me before viewing the stats I would have automatically picked Razzaq so I am glad there is some evidence to back up my gut feeling.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

It was a different era and professionalism standards generally speaking were not high across the board. Azhar was not on the level of either of those two but still could have walked into the playing XI of many teams even during that time.

Yeah Azhar had a decent late career run. Even played a few seasons of IPL under his British passport.

Azhar didn't have the mental resilience or chutzpah of Razzaq. He was sort of a legend in county cricket though with his medium paced outswingers and nifty batting. Was one of the early heroes of Natwest t20 and maximized his potential there during his time with Surrey. He just lacked the extra oomph required to succeed at the international level. Even then, his early test career exploits were amazing.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Razzaq's best comparison is probably Chris Cairns, Pandya is a t20 player with no respect to the longer formats or extensive enough career in ODIs and tests.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

A Razzaq was the heartbeat of Pak Cricket in late 90s and 2000s. There isn't a more likeable player who would go about his business as casually yet fiercely as Razzler did. Was bossing the chases when there was only Bevan and Klusener known for their finishing skills. A testament to his ability was he ended up playing around 250 ODIs and almost 50 tests. The pace bowling allrounders can't deal with that workload these days. The likes of Marsh, Green, (even Watto couldn't) keep getting injured far too often.
I think what brought Razzaq's end earlier than usual was him being atleast 2-3 years older than his birth certificate age.
In late 90s and early 2000s, he was taking wickets for fun and swinging it big. It was around 2006 that his wicket taking ability took a hit.
Furthermore, he is one of the only sincere and good coaches in Pakistan's domestic system who can actually prepare and nurture the youngsters. His only downside is his indifference to the discipline towards fielding (Wasim has repeatedly said Razzaq never cared about fielding and everyone used to make fun of him about his reluctance towards fielding)

The likes of Shadab, Fahim, Jamal, Hammad Azam, Amir Yamin etc, they aren't even good enough to get compared with Azhar Mahmood let alone A Razzaq. Although I do have a soft spot for Jamal and I think he can improve much more and become a serviceable allrounder who could both bat and bowl well in tests atleast. Needs to spend a whole season with a good county team though.

 

[shaz619]

Sachin Tendulkar in Australia - Mere se batting nahi ho rahi hain’.

@Hitman @Sachin fan @Devadwal @Rajdeep @Suleiman

 

[shaz619]

A Razzaq was the heartbeat of Pak Cricket in late 90s and 2000s. There isn't a more likeable player who would go about his business as casually yet fiercely as Razzler did. Was bossing the chases when there was only Bevan and Klusener known for their finishing skills. A testament to his ability was he ended up playing around 250 ODIs and almost 50 tests. The pace bowling allrounders can't deal with that workload these days. The likes of Marsh, Green, (even Watto couldn't) keep getting injured far too often.
I think what brought Razzaq's end earlier than usual was him being atleast 2-3 years older than his birth certificate age.
In late 90s and early 2000s, he was taking wickets for fun and swinging it big. It was around 2006 that his wicket taking ability took a hit.
Furthermore, he is one of the only sincere and good coaches in Pakistan's domestic system who can actually prepare and nurture the youngsters. His only downside is his indifference to the discipline towards fielding (Wasim has repeatedly said Razzaq never cared about fielding and everyone used to make fun of him about his reluctance towards fielding)

The likes of Shadab, Fahim, Jamal, Hammad Azam, Amir Yamin etc, they aren't even good enough to get compared with Azhar Mahmood let alone A Razzaq. Although I do have a soft spot for Jamal and I think he can improve much more and become a serviceable allrounder who could both bat and bowl well in tests atleast. Needs to spend a whole season with a good county team though.

The quality of A/R’s and availability of them was great, I’d add Flintoff to the list as well.

The only top level A/R we had across all forms is Ben Stokes and he is on his way out.

Genuine question should be asked what happened to all the quick bowling A/R’s, T20’s is always the answer but there should be more to it as well

 

[Rana]

Abdul Razzaq

Batting Average: 32.61 @ S/R off 81.22

Bowling Average: 26.18

Sachin Tendulkar

Batting Average: 34.67 @ S/R off 75.26

Bowling Average: 86.60

I thought this is a very interesting comparison really (mainly for the batting as Sachin blurred the lines when it came to his A/R capabilities but he wasn’t exactly a part timer with the ball either), there’s a famous clip of Razzaq on YT smashing McGrath to bits; and it turns out, there’s no smoke without fire!

On the other hand, Sachin kind of underperformed in Australian when it came to ODI’s. His average is slightly better than Razzaq’s, but he scored a lot more slowly and the Razzler used the long handle a lot better.

Just going off the Batting, I think Razzaq performed better than Sachin in Australia for the ODI format within the confines of his role really and I was very surprised by his bowling there to; I think pre-injuries in the 2000’s with that extra yard of pace he was devastating and very skilful with the new ball to and that meant he was still successful even in his later years.

Razzaq was always an underrated gem with the bat

He also has an average of 60 in 300+ run chases for Pakistan. Elite player

 

[Suleiman]

Sachin Tendulkar in Australia - Mere se batting nahi ho rahi hain’.

@Hitman @Sachin fan @Devadwal @Rajdeep @Suleiman

Sachin was his… @BunnyRabbit lets just say

 

[BunnyRabbit]

The quality of A/R’s and availability of them was great, I’d add Flintoff to the list as well.

The only top level A/R we had across all forms is Ben Stokes and he is on his way out.

Genuine question should be asked what happened to all the quick bowling A/R’s, T20’s is always the answer but there should be more to it as well

Yes Flintoff as well. But both Stokes and Flintoff played quite a few matches without being allowed to bowl due to risk of them breaking down, yet it never happened with Razzaq or Kallis or Pollock. Neil Johnson, Heath Streak and Blignaut were Zimbabwe's ARs who could have had much better careers. Blignaut especially would be money in today's t20 world. Jacob Oram was pretty good and pretty underrated as well.