Sadhguru vs Zakir Naik - who is better and more knowledgable?

[Rajdeep]

Ignoring the fact that Mr Naik is fugitive, both of these man has huge fan following who spread their knowledge on various topics in multiple forums. Zakir Naik has peace tv and Sadhguru has Isa foundation.

So who according to you has got more knowledge, speaks more sense and more practical.

I would humbly request admins to add a poll pls.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Firstly, no one cares.

If you like Zakir, good for you.
If you like Sadhguru, good for you.

Personally, there have been times both of them made sense for me and i liked what I heard from them. Also there were times when i did not
agree with them.

As a hindu many of us may hate Zakir Naik but he is a well read person. He has a great knowledge of not just Islam but of other religions also as he used such references to prove Islam’s supposed superiority over other religions. I may disagree with that but it is impressive of him. The guy has more knowledge of Hinduism than an average Hindu.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Keeping bias aside I vote for Sadhguru

 

[IndoorCricket]

Lol.. one is a yogi other one got banned in multiple countires for propagating exrtemism.. No comparision.

 

[IndoorCricket]

Firstly, no one cares.

If you like Zakir, good for you.
If you like Sadhguru, good for you.

Personally, there have been times both of them made sense for me and i liked what I heard from them. Also there were times when i did not
agree with them.

As a hindu many of us may hate Zakir Naik but he is a well read person. He has a great knowledge of not just Islam but of other religions also as he used such references to prove Islam’s supposed superiority over other religions. I may disagree with that but it is impressive of him. The guy has more knowledge of Hinduism than an average Hindu.

Infact I say Zakir has more knowledge about Hindu scriptures than Sadhguru. Sadhguru is a yogi and derives his knowledge from expreiences and observations.

 

[anikrc1]

If you actually want a religious scholar from Hindu side go for Swami Sarvapriyananda.

 

[Rajdeep]

I want to see an open debate between Sadhguru and Zakir Naik. Obviously it cant be in India or 5 other countries as later is banned from them and will be arrested. However, I am thinking more on a neutral country like in Pakistan where this debate can be orchestrated.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Swami Sarvapriyananda.

Pretty sure that’s a Sri Lankan spinner?

 

[Mamoon]

Zakir Naik is not a knowledgeable scholar. He has tremendous memory and can quote any verse from any Holy Book to prove his point.

Neither are worth listening to but you have to give them credit for developing a nice for themselves that has allowed to them gain mass following.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Sadhguru is a believer in Adi Yogi who was supposed to be the first person to have taught Yoga to humans. He never admits that there is God or not. He only tells you stories and leaves it for the listeners to decide.

Zakir is a true follower of Islam. He firmly believes in God and believes that Islam is the only true way. He comes across as a bit of radical in his speeches.

Like all Abrahamic faiths teachings, Zakir looks outwards to solve human problems. Sadhguru preaches looking inwards to solve human problems. I have done inner Engineering course offered by Sadhguru a few years ago.

Both peddle their beliefs. Sadhguru is more open minded.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I want to see an open debate between Sadhguru and Zakir Naik. Obviously it cant be in India or 5 other countries as later is banned from them and will be arrested. However, I am thinking more on a neutral country like in Pakistan where this debate can be orchestrated.

Both are on different playing fields. They will not agree on anything.

Zakir will quote Hindu Texts to support his views. I doubt Sadhguru is knowledgeble in Hindu Texts. He cannot challenge Zakir's interpretations.

You need a man well versed in Hindu Texts to challenge Zakir's comparative religion arguments. Sadhguru is not that.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Zakir Naik is not a knowledgeable scholar. He has tremendous memory and can quote any verse from any Holy Book to prove his point.

Neither are worth listening to but you have to give them credit for developing a nice for themselves that has allowed to them gain mass following.

I put Sadhguru in the same category of Osho.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Pretty sure that’s a Sri Lankan spinner?

Old Hindu names are very similar to modern Srilankan names.

Modern Hindu names are short and small.

 

[Red-Indian]

I put Sadhguru in the same category of Osho.

Very good comparison.

I used to think Osho was the dogs bollocks, bees knees, extremely profound and deep stuff back in the late 90s and early '00s before I figured out it was mostly old wine in a new bottle dating back ages in Indian thought.

Sadhguru is similar. Profound sounding stuff that doesn't really mean anything. One of closest cousins - IIT, IIM high achiever has really drunk the Kool-Aid. Had both his sons personally named by the Sadhguru. Not for me but he does seem a lot calmer and peaceful compared to the driven, intense dude he was earlier.

I'm not sure what a debate between Zakir and him would achieve. They'd mostly talk past each other. Zakir quoting chapter and verse from some religious books. Sadhguru talking about Yoga and discovering yourself.

 

[sweep_shot]

Sadhguru who? He is a nobody.

 

[gani999]

Naik is a bit bombastic and actually appears desperate. He keeps citing verses with chapters numbers from the Quran or Gita to show how learned he is. It may look like smartness to some, but in the context of religion, it looks more like insecurity. Naik may be a good speaker according to some but he clings on to the books to sell himself. Thus, he lacks the real insight on the working of the human mind and how it absorbs all this information. That style might appeal to some wannabe academicians (who don't know the Quran very well), but most people would find it all rather boring.

Sadhguru is not only knowledgeable, he has the panache and puts across his knowledge in a style that would appeal to a large section of the masses, most of whom, lets' admit, don't really have much religious knowledge. You will never find him citing verses and chapters from the Gita or anything other book. He is much more effective in swaying audiences.

Both are well read, but IMHO, Sadhguru will wipe the floor with Naik in a debate.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Have heard somewhere that Zakir had a debate with him earlier and wiped the floor with him. Not sure that's why asking

Naik is a bit bombastic and actually appears desperate. He keeps citing verses with chapters numbers from the Quran or Gita to show how learned he is. It may look like smartness to some, but in the context of religion, it looks more like insecurity. Naik may be a good speaker according to some but he clings on to the books to sell himself. Thus, he lacks the real insight on the working of the human mind and how it absorbs all this information. That style might appeal to some wannabe academicians (who don't know the Quran very well), but most people would find it all rather boring.

Sadhguru is not only knowledgeable, he has the panache and puts across his knowledge in a style that would appeal to a large section of the masses, most of whom, lets' admit, don't really have much religious knowledge. You will never find him citing verses and chapters from the Gita or anything other book. He is much more effective in swaying audiences.

Both are well read, but IMHO, Sadhguru will wipe the floor with Naik in a debate.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Have heard somewhere that Zakir had a debate with him earlier and wiped the floor with him. Not sure that's why asking

Naik probably asked him a few questions on Hindu scriptures which the yogi was ignorant about. Just from reading replies in this thread Sadguru seems to be more of a new age buddhist type than an orthodox Hindu.

 

[Red-Indian]

Naik probably asked him a few questions on Hindu scriptures which the yogi was ignorant about. Just from reading replies in this thread Sadguru seems to be more of a new age buddhist type than an orthodox Hindu.

Would've been a really funny debate if there was one. Interesting to watch in a car crash sort of way.

Zakir Naik himself is senseless about Hindu scriptures. Like a parrot.

Sadhguru seems to talk some esoteric stuff rather than traditional Hindu scripture. More philosophical meaning of life and the universe stuff.

 

[RexRex]

This thread should be a Deepak Chopra vs Zakir Naik comparison. Two people who make me chuckle when I see their face.

 

[ElRaja]

both come across as slimy to me, i vote osho

 

[Champ_Pal]

both come across as slimy to me, i vote osho

Osho is an Atheist. He does not peddle much of religious stuff like Sadhguru and definitely nothing like Zakir.

 

[Champ_Pal]

This thread should be a Deepak Chopra vs Zakir Naik comparison. Two people who make me chuckle when I see their face.

Zakir is a religious guy. Anything that can be applied to his work can be applied to all religions.

Deepak Chopra tries to combine science with irrational assumptions.

 

[Local.Dada]

Osho is an Atheist. He does not peddle much of religious stuff like Sadhguru and definitely nothing like Zakir.

Sadhguru teaches Yoga right? Also I think his organization works on forest/ animal protection initiatives. Now the quality of that work is subject to debate as I am not familiar with his work but at least something addition to just religion related work. Even though technically yoga is part of Hinduism.

This Zakir guy’s social work probably revolves around conversion numbers and preaching etc.

 

[Local.Dada]

Osho was the real deal. Even though and this is not based on the Netflix doc, some of the things in his ashram were really out there from what we hear, he was extremely articulate and smart. That guy managed to pss of Hindu RW, Communists, Islamic and Xtian groups and missionaries, Indian govt, American govt etc all at the same time. That itself makes me beleive he was doing something right.

 

[Red-Indian]

Osho was the real deal. Even though and this is not based on the Netflix doc, some of the things in his ashram were really out there from what we hear, he was extremely articulate and smart. That guy managed to pss of Hindu RW, Communists, Islamic and Xtian groups and missionaries, Indian govt, American govt etc all at the same time. That itself makes me beleive he was doing something right.

I heard a lot of lectures (recorded) and did a few courses at his Ashram in Koregaon Park in the early '00s. Now that I think about it, I think he was pretty open about the fact that he didn't believe in anything particular. More an iconoclast who was very clever with words than anything else.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Not here to cast my vote for anyone but yes let’s not be blind haters. The Sadhguru for all the attention he gets or seeks, sometimes says things so beautifully it sends you in a different realm. Like in this talk show below, i think he really got his fellows to introspect there about life. One of my favorites. I often watch this.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Sadhguru teaches Yoga right? Also I think his organization works on forest/ animal protection initiatives. Now the quality of that work is subject to debate as I am not familiar with his work but at least something addition to just religion related work. Even though technically yoga is part of Hinduism.

This Zakir guy’s social work probably revolves around conversion numbers and preaching etc.

Sadhguru teaches Yoga, meditation and Mudras. My wife is one of his followers. I have watched countless videos of Sadhguru in the past. He comes across as an agnostic with strong inclination towards religious teachings. Whenever someone asks question on God, he never gives a Yes or No answer. His answer is to seek and find out. Sadhguru is not into conversion. His mission is to teach the Yoga and practices of Adi Yogi aka Shiva.

Zakir is a different beast. Nothing to compare and contrast with Sadhguru and his work. Zakir is a Daayi. His aim is to convert as many people as possible into Islam.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Let's be honest. Zakir Naik is entertaining to watch but really none of his speeches have the capability to transform a muslim. Deep down apart from a minor interest who really cares about comparisons between Hinduism and Islam?

Sadhguru changes people's lives.

 

[Bhaijaan]

In a nutshell there could not be a better example of how Islam and Hinduism differ from each other fundamentally speaking.

Zakir Naik represents the desire and obsession of Muslims in dissecting life, events, people around them as haram or halal. In finding the perfect world order as per their belief. Muslims claim to know exactly what divine perfection is and want everyone to share the same vision

Sadhguru represents a seeker’s mentality shared by hindus.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

In a nutshell there could not be a better example of how Islam and Hinduism differ from each other fundamentally speaking.

Zakir Naik represents the desire and obsession of Muslims in dissecting life, events, people around them as haram or halal. In finding the perfect world order as per their belief. Muslims claim to know exactly what divine perfection is and want everyone to share the same vision

Sadhguru represents a seeker’s mentality shared by hindus.

Is he representative of Hindus?

For every Zakir Naik you can produce 10 like Bullet Shah and for every Sadhguru you can produce 100 like that preacher who wanted to turn the Kaaba into a Hindu temple.

We should avoid dealing in such absolutes.

 

[anikrc1]

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If you want to listen to a high level Hindu Scholar, you can listen to this. Don't have much opinion about Naik.

 

[Red-Indian]

Let's be honest. Zakir Naik is entertaining to watch but really none of his speeches have the capability to transform a muslim. Deep down apart from a minor interest who really cares about comparisons between Hinduism and Islam?

Sadhguru changes people's lives.

Problem with all these gurus is that eventually it turns out they've been molesting women or some other such nonsense.

Sadhguru seems clean so far but I'm always nervous about some me-too turning up.

Zakir Naik for all his fanaticism and general weirdness I think is pretty unlikely to be slimy in that direction.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Problem with all these gurus is that eventually it turns out they've been molesting women or some other such nonsense.

Sadhguru seems clean so far but I'm always nervous about some me-too turning up.

Zakir Naik for all his fanaticism and general weirdness I think is pretty unlikely to be slimy in that direction.

The sleazy aspect of many Muslim preachers isn't usually women ( it does happen though) but usually to do with money.

I got red flags the way Zakir used to ask for Zakaat money for his Peace TV channel. Now technically it is eligible for Zakaat but with so many people starving is it the best use of this money? He could easily ask private donors to fund his channel rather than asking members of the public to hand over their Zakaat to him and his dawaah method. Money that would have went to poor people otherwise.

Another red flag is when preachers son is next is line.....usually the assets then just become family property over time.

 

[Red-Indian]

The sleazy aspect of many Muslim preachers isn't usually women ( it does happen though) but usually to do with money.

I got red flags the way Zakir used to ask for Zakaat money for his Peace TV channel. Now technically it is eligible for Zakaat but with so many people starving is it the best use of this money? He could easily ask private donors to fund his channel rather than asking members of the public to hand over their Zakaat to him and his dawaah method. Money that would have went to poor people otherwise.

Another red flag is when preachers son is next is line.....usually the assets then just become family property over time.

Well said. I suspect any religious preacher who brings up money (and that's 99.9999% of them).

I have little experience of Muslim preachers but I suspect they're the same as the dozens of Hindu gurus and Christian evangelists I've looked at over the years. Zakir Naik sure smells like one of them. If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck and asks for money like a duck, it's pretty sure to be a slimy religious preacher.

 

[JaDed]

Do I like the Joker or the riddler, most probably the Joker.

 

[ElRaja]

Osho is an Atheist. He does not peddle much of religious stuff like Sadhguru and definitely nothing like Zakir.

osho had his own kinda religious beliefs, id call it unstructured Buddhism, but he seemed far less concerned with external validation imo