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Saim Ayub - International performance watch

CerebralPatriot said:
Beautiful batting from Saim today. Have never seen Babar or Rizwan play with even 10% of the skill he showed

The only way I can see his development hindered is if he is stuck under the tutelage of mediocre actors - Rizwan- rather than a visionary mentor - Sarfraz
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When Saim and Sharjeel batted together for Sindh, Saim was always his under study. Sharjeel Khan was the big boss opener of Pakistan in T20 cricket, but these people never truly appreciated him.
 
Another pretty 30 from Saim infact s brisk 30 he needs to develop some temperament because RizBar will continue outscoring him in their own method
 
He was a bit over eager today resulting in his run out. Hopefully with experience he will settle down. We can't afford another talent to be wasted like Haider and Harris.
 
Kianig89 said:
Another pretty 30 from Saim infact s brisk 30 he needs to develop some temperament because RizBar will continue outscoring him in their own method
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But Saim method is different so he should continue sticking with his (method)
 
pak4life said:
He was a bit over eager today resulting in his run out. Hopefully with experience he will settle down. We can't afford another talent to be wasted like Haider and Harris.
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He has a better technique than Haris and Haider.
 
Provided he works on his shortcoming. There is no reason why he can't end up as one of the greats at least in limited overs cricket for Pakistan.
 
AAli98 said:
Only a matter of time before top teams find him out ie saud shakeel & co.
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What will they find out? For generational talents. It makes sense for 99% of Pak batsmen but not Saim
 
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Could've been a career defining innings.

Bowlers were nice and gentle. Pitch was true , bounce was to his liking and he was just having fun.

Massive opportunity missed, but should've ran on the pitch instead of grass as discussed before the game during team meeting.
 
Outrageously talented player in the shorter formats.

They need to back Saim because you can tell he's got elite bat speed and timing with a wide array of shots. However, his method is 100% aggressive and needs proper support to come off.

Just let Saim do his thing and give him complete freedom.

He's the perfect option for opening T20 innings because he sets the tone instantly.
 
So much like young Imran Nazir. Fearless and strong puller of the ball. Hope he capitalizes and continues to play freely.

Would’ve loved to see a top order of

Saim
Fakhar
M Haris +

Azam playing over Haris is a sick joke.

Not the first time where we have the players in stock but choose to play seniors up the top order positions.

Even in this timeline you can still have Babar at 4 and Rizwan at 5 if the senior quota absolutely has to be fulfilled.

But this is modern day Pak cricket. Choose the most “safe” batsmen in the top order who can’t hit sixes to save their lives but average 30+ At 120 SR!!! In t20!!! 🤡

At least the advent of Saim has broken the snail musketeers of Rizwan Babar and Shan from last WC.
 
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Saim was playing nicely and looked all comfortable out there until he ran himself out. Pretty impressive innings from him IMO and the fielding was also good, took 4 catches.
 
Saim needs to play number 4 in test and first class He is a natural middle over batsman
 
sajad said:
Saim needs to play number 4 in test and first class He is a natural middle over batsman
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In tests he should play in the middle order but in limited overs he should always be an opener. At the moment I think he's trying to hard to cement his position at the opening spot. Needs to relax a bit. It is imperative the management give him the opening slot no matter how bad he does. He will come good.
 
It's very unfortunate to say, but I have to mention that he is also an inconsistent player for Pakistan. He needs to focus on his temperament and strike rotation skills.
 
Can't blame Saim for anything. Let the kid play his natural game and he will blossom.

Try to turn him into another Rizwan than he will be another talent thrown down the deep sewer that is Pakistan's lost superstars
 
PakEngFan said:
In tests he should play in the middle order but in limited overs he should always be an opener. At the moment I think he's trying to hard to cement his position at the opening spot. Needs to relax a bit. It is imperative the management give him the opening slot no matter how bad he does. He will come good.
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Yes so true that’s why I said longer format middle order and white ball as an opener I totally agree with you
 
MenInG said:
Inshallah he will

Just needs one good innings under his belt and watch him take off
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Bro I’m just worried about the crazy agenda driven journalists on social media that will be on his case and asking for Babar to return and open with Rizwan if he fails once or twice. The kid will be lost or we will have to wait another year or so for him to come back in his best position (which is opener)

These agenda driven journalists give me too much anxiety
 
He doesn’t really throw the kitchen sink at it, more of a timer of the ball.

If it’s not come off the bat properly he’ll more often than not be caught at the boundaries if he can’t muscle it over.
 
This is his second series and he has again be pathetic.

No matter how talented you nay br, the team cannot just lose a series and than you show your performance....
 
CerebralPatriot said:
Can't blame Saim for anything. Let the kid play his natural game and he will blossom.

Try to turn him into another Rizwan than he will be another talent thrown down the deep sewer that is Pakistan's lost superstars
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Stop looking for excuses. If we are not going to critisise saim for his own batting than who should we critisize?


First it was the afg series, now this. One or two more series and if he doesnt perform in the games that matter, he will have to go back to domestic cricket
 
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You can bet your bottom dollar nz did there homework on Ayub.

Pak done jack on how to play Sears !
 
Rana said:
Bro I’m just worried about the crazy agenda driven journalists on social media that will be on his case and asking for Babar to return and open with Rizwan if he fails once or twice. The kid will be lost or we will have to wait another year or so for him to come back in his best position (which is opener)

These agenda driven journalists give me too much anxiety
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This kid has a mind of his own

They won't bother him - Allah is the best of planners.
 
AAli98 said:
You can bet your bottom dollar nz did there homework on Ayub.

Pak done jack on how to play Sears !
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Sears is a rubbish bowler, you don’t need to do a lot of research on how to play bowlers like him.
 
Major said:
This is his second series and he has again be pathetic.

No matter how talented you nay br, the team cannot just lose a series and than you show your performance....
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He is not pathetic

He is a young man doing his best to get his side to win based upon the role given to him
 
Saim does not deserve criticism. He has definitely shown some proper potential to be given more chances. We need to be patient with him.
 
MenInG said:
He is not pathetic

He is a young man doing his best to get his side to win based upon the role given to him
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Do you see now what I mean brother?

They will be out hunting like a pack of wolves for him.
 
Criticism level is proportional to hype level. Hype is so much that even Vaughan ends up hyping him without any credible long innings at the highest level.
 
Rana intl cricket isn't where you learn your game or iron out your faults that's done In domestic and one to one coaching
 
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Major said:
This is his second series and he has again be pathetic.

No matter how talented you nay br, the team cannot just lose a series and than you show your performance....
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He isn’t as developed and talented at a young age as Babar or even umar akmal who would frankly come in at that age and immediately perform.

We’re in the position where we hope he comes good but we have to let him some slack because he’s young. We are taking a gamble.

I think if we’d debuted him 2 years later when he’d more developed/comfortable in his game, there wouldn’t be a gamble. With the talent he has he’d perform immediately to some extent. He’s being rushed.

But now he’s debuted we don’t really have a choice but to back him through his failures. And his failure rate is likely to be higher simply because he is young.
 
In a team which can apparently afford to carry a 45 year old Chacha and Moin Khan's son, Saim is the least of our worries.
 
He fielded brilliantly today, why could he not do that in Australia :(
He's looking good with the bat so far, let's see if he can press on
 
Selfish player. Playing at snails pace chasing 200+. The inferior player to sharjeel period.
 
JAV12341 said:
Selfish player. Playing at snails pace chasing 200+. The inferior player to sharjeel period.
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A bit unfair no? He tried to swing at many a ball, first game he went at a SR of over 300.
When a team makes 200+ it's never easy to start
 
He’s been given the golden opportunity to end the RizBar opening partnership and he ain’t taking it.
 
JAV12341 said:
A total hack horrendous player. Won’t last long. Pakistan cricket is in doldrums
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He's fine. Still young, raw but the talent is there.

Not every ball has to be hit for 6 and that's what guys like him and Haris will learn over time. Red ball will help.
 
Was Finn Allen dropped when he faced on average less than 20 balls? Would he have had the opportunity to play today's innings.

Pakistani fans are the same as the management. No long term plan or patience
 
Sycamore said:
Was Finn Allen dropped when he faced on average less than 20 balls? Would he have had the opportunity to play today's innings.

Pakistani fans are the same as the management. No long term plan or patience
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Finn Allen also averaged 26 SR 190 in first six games in his first year. And always at least showed he could play at a phenomenal SR. Saim averages 16 SR 130.

We should stick with him. But he’ll be under pressure for his place like he would in most countries if he carries on with this record. Same thing could happen to him as Haris.

It’s our fault. This is how he should have started, given an actual spot at the start so he could cement. We wasted/set him up to fail when we moved him around the order and had him fill in as temporary opener. Failures under his belt which he shouldn’t have needed to get.
 
Shaheen Shah Afridi on Saim Ayub during the 3rd T20I post-match presser:

“Saim Ayub can be a big star for Pakistan. He has the ability and hunger to do it for Pakistan. Whenever he practices in the nets, he tries to give his best. In these conditions, it is not very easy for such a youngster to prove himself. We have to give him opportunities."​
 
He should look to watch the ball closely till the end.
To me it looks as if his eyes don't track the ball after pitching and he is through his shot very early. He is a very good timer and should look to utilise that instead of trying to blindly throw the bat with power.
 
27 1 10 in 8 3 13 that's 38 runs in 24 balls in 3 innings , hardly anything convincing and these are flat wickets with micky mouse boundaries another fake PSL product
 
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Saim Ayub is trying to hit every ball out of the park. He is not focused on building his innings, rather he is trying to prove his reputation. This is international cricket. You have to respect good balls. His hand-eye coordination is excellent but he is being impatient and not valuing his wicket on this tour so far.
 
He neither has technique nor Physic to play big shots.Will not last long. Big grounds he will fail 95% times
 
For a "generational" talent you'd expect at least one fifty after ten T20I innings and a better SR than 129.

When I saw clips of Saim's batting in CPL, he looked like a diet version of Sharjeel Khan than Saeed Anwar who he's been compared with.

He relies heavily on his fast hands with his footwork being quite static. He's strong through leg but rarely in those clips did I see any ground strokes piercing the offside field which Anwar made a career of.

IMO top bowlers won't take long to work him out. Don't give him anything on the pads or width outside off, just good length balls angling across on 4th-5th stump. Already he's been dismissed several times to such deliveries.

Am I saying drop him ? No. PAK are limited in high SR white-ball openers. However the hype should be tempered.
 
Saim is good but he isn’t good enough to be compared to Sharjeel

That’s how good I think Sharjeel is. Pakistan are just wasting the guy for no justifiable reason
 
This guy is definitely not the "generational talent" people were making him out to be. Forget about Jaiswal, he'd be lucky to have a better career than some other Indian south paws like Tilak or Sai Sudarshan.
 
Mesozoic said:
This guy is definitely not the "generational talent" people were making him out to be. Forget about Jaiswal, he'd be lucky to have a better career than some other Indian south paws like Tilak or Sai Sudarshan.
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Who are these nobodies?

People need to have realistic expectations from Saim. International cricket is a huge step-up from league cricket, and it remains to be seen how Saim will respond. He has shown flashes of his talent, but nothing substantial so far.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Who are these nobodies?

People need to have realistic expectations from Saim. International cricket is a huge step-up from league cricket, and it remains to be seen how Saim will respond. He has shown flashes of his talent, but nothing substantial so far.
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"wHo aRe tHeSE nOboDiEs"? :facepalm:


We're talking about Saim Ayub here..a guy that has zero international 50s. Calm down!!
 
Usman Chadda said:
Saim Ayub is also a nobody.

What’s the point of comparing nobodies to a nobody?
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Ask the ones who create those comparison threads lol. I'm just referring to one of the many comparison threads on this site i.e Yashaswi Jaiswal vs Saim Ayub.
 
He will come good people are quick to judge and he needs to put some muscle on.
 
MenInG said:
He is not pathetic

He is a young man doing his best to get his side to win based upon the role given to him
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he is an opener not a finisher.

First he failed against Afghanistan, now he has been a no show in the small grounds of New Zealand.

Just cause he can hit boundaries he was overhyped to the moon.
I would still keep the babar and rizwan opening partnership
 
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Major said:
he is an opener not a finisher.

First he failed against Afghanistan, now he has been a no show in the small grounds of New Zealand.

Just cause he can hit boundaries he was overhyped to the moon.
I would still keep the babar and rizwan opening partnership
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Too hasty. We need the lad to succeed and needs all the matches available. If he looks like he ain't going to then back to the old firm.
 
Bewal Express said:
Too hasty. We need the lad to succeed and needs all the matches available. If he looks like he ain't going to then back to the old firm.
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i agree, but the overhyping here just seems ridiculous. It was as if all issues were due to riz and babar and getting thi kid would solve everything
 
Majority of karachi players be like:
Marketing - 100
Performance - 10
Rona Dhona - 200
 
Any good team and good decent bowler can trap his no look shot. Only in domestic he is hyped to the moon.
He have a decent shot selection in his guard but the improvising is the main thing. I see him going same way as of sharjeel unfortunately
 
adi_62941 said:
Any good team and good decent bowler can trap his no look shot. Only in domestic he is hyped to the moon.
He have a decent shot selection in his guard but the improvising is the main thing. I see him going same way as of sharjeel unfortunately
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Yep. That is what I was trying to say earlier. He is a good player but is not focused and seems rushed on the crease. Maybe he is told to go big every ball but he still needs to value his wicket, else he will be out of the team soon.
 
From "give the boy an extended run, give him the license to play his game even if he fails" to "overhyped, fake PSL product" within the span of a week.

people calling him an impending failure off the basis of 11 t20s? You're judging a 21 year old batsman who plays an ultra-aggressive brand of cricket which has proven to work for him on the back off 2 t20 tournaments.
 
I agree with the posters saying he shouldn't be hyped. No prospect should be.

But his player type is critical for Pakistan at the top of the order and he's a decent prospect for that role. He's come through the system and performed in various formats including FC cricket. If a player like this isn't supported then just run the same oldies and pause domestic cricket.

Saim has to perform but he should get a proper run.

His fielding has been a huge plus point too (minus the drop in Australia).
 
BouncerGuy said:
Yep. That is what I was trying to say earlier. He is a good player but is not focused and seems rushed on the crease. Maybe he is told to go big every ball but he still needs to value his wicket, else he will be out of the team soon.
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I don't think it's a bad thing to play your natural game, but the issue is that he is too much of a leg-side player, similar to Sharjeel. Any SENA bowler can trap him, and he's not a hard hitter of the ball. He mostly relies on the ball's speed to execute his shots. His strength is too weak to play hard-hitting shots. So, if fast bowlers reduce their speed and bowl on a good channel, he will likely lose his wicket.
 
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