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Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif performance in domestic cricket after their return

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif are scheduled to make their domestic comebacks on 10th January for WAPDA vs FATA in Hyderabad <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/684095587197816833">January 4, 2016</a></blockquote>
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This of course is in the National 50-over competition.
 
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i can Asif running through most of our domestic batsmen for fun on his return, Butts return maybe abit more testing for him
 
It will be fun to see what happens on pp if butt scores 100 and asif takes a fifer...
 
Hopefully they do really good and we can see them in pakistan's national team soon.
 
Should be interesting to see if Asif still has the magic.
Don't care about Butt, really, we have many other opening batsmen
 
Sad that in 5 years, there is still a chance that all three will make the team. Not because of any personal vendetta against the three, I don't care if they play, they have paid their dues, but because in five years of not playing, eleven players could not acclimate themselves onto the team.

Five years, no cricket, still a chance that they are good enough to make an eleven man roster in a country of hundreds of millions.

Oh Pakistan, my Pakistan.
 
Junaids said:
All of whom are rubbish outside Asia.
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By all means then, play Butt in the one tour we have to Australia every five years or so which we get whitewashed regardless. Every other test though we've got people with vastly better records as opener so we should play them. Even outside asia apart from Australia Butt does not have a good record.
 
Ahson8 said:
Should be interesting to see if Asif still has the magic.
Don't care about Butt, really, we have many other opening batsmen
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Actually we don't have any, our opening is worse than our fast bowling.... It's worse than literally everybody else in the world [emoji20][emoji20][emoji20][emoji20]


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ads101 said:
By all means then, play Butt in the one tour we have to Australia every five years or so which we get whitewashed regardless. Every other test though we've got people with vastly better records as opener so we should play them. Even outside asia apart from Australia Butt does not have a good record.
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People tend to rate the one off performances and not the entire repertoire.

Kamran Akmal is remembered for those Australia tests and people tend to ignore everything else because of it.

This is the huge problem with our fans. Not taking a holistic approach, and using these blips on the radar to overshadow everything poor on the resume.

Who cares if Butt doesn't score in 40 matches, he has centuries in Australia, and that is more valuable than 10 centuries in UAE for example or a level of consistency overall that is pretty good, but does not supercede those couple matches.
 
Ilan Bluestone said:
People tend to rate the one off performances and not the entire repertoire.

Kamran Akmal is remembered for those Australia tests and people tend to ignore everything else because of it.

This is the huge problem with our fans. Not taking a holistic approach, and using these blips on the radar to overshadow everything poor on the resume.

Who cares if Butt doesn't score in 40 matches, he has centuries in Australia, and that is more valuable than 10 centuries in UAE for example or a level of consistency overall that is pretty good, but does not supercede those couple matches.
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Of course.

Two centuries against those bowlers in Australia are worth more than 50 in the UAE, which are worthless, like the boy who scored 1019 in India yesterday.
 
Ilan Bluestone said:
People tend to rate the one off performances and not the entire repertoire.

Kamran Akmal is remembered for those Australia tests and people tend to ignore everything else because of it.

This is the huge problem with our fans. Not taking a holistic approach, and using these blips on the radar to overshadow everything poor on the resume.

Who cares if Butt doesn't score in 40 matches, he has centuries in Australia, and that is more valuable than 10 centuries in UAE for example or a level of consistency overall that is pretty good, but does not supercede those couple matches.
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Agree with you. I mean quite frankly a 100 in UAE is likely to win us a match. A 100 in Australia is awesome, but we'll still lose most likely. I was impressed by Butt in Australia, but no way I can champion a guy's overall performance when he struggled to keep his average over 30. Yes batting in Australia is harder, but why did he fail everywhere else then? Just not excusable even if he scored tons in Australia.

People I think remember Kamran Akmal not for his poor keeping in Australia, but the fact that it was kind of weird let's say, especially the missed run out. But Kamran Akmal IMO wasn't exactly great, he averaged 26 in ODIs which was terrible especially for a guy playing for his batting mostly. Averaged 30 in tests, which was a big drop from his successes early on in his career. Kamran was good early on in his career, but pretty bad in the rest of it.
 
Junaids said:
Of course.

Two centuries against those bowlers in Australia are worth more than 50 in the UAE, which are worthless, like the boy who scored 1019 in India yesterday.
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How is it worthless scoring in the UAE when we are winning matches because of it? Butt's contributions didn't even change the outcome of the match despite being impressive in Australia.

Performing in Australia is more impressive, but it is far more important for a batsman to be consistently scoring in the majority of his tests played then just a few out of all of his tests.
 
ads101 said:
Agree with you. I mean quite frankly a 100 in UAE is likely to win us a match. A 100 in Australia is awesome, but we'll still lose most likely. I was impressed by Butt in Australia, but no way I can champion a guy's overall performance when he struggled to keep his average over 30. Yes batting in Australia is harder, but why did he fail everywhere else then? Just not excusable even if he scored tons in Australia.

People I think remember Kamran Akmal not for his poor keeping in Australia, but the fact that it was kind of weird let's say, especially the missed run out. But Kamran Akmal IMO wasn't exactly great, he averaged 26 in ODIs which was terrible especially for a guy playing for his batting mostly. Averaged 30 in tests, which was a big drop from his successes early on in his career. Kamran was good early on in his career, but pretty bad in the rest of it.
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Oh I meant the early good batting, and people who still support KA despite the fact he is a mediocre cricketer. Should have clarified.
 
Junaids said:
Of course.

Two centuries against those bowlers in Australia are worth more than 50 in the UAE, which are worthless, like the boy who scored 1019 in India yesterday.
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It makes me laugh. People will say Butt >>>> Hafeez for example, and point to those two centuries and say, well Hafeez could never do that, fair enough, MAYBE he couldn't, but can Butt score runs as consistently as Hafeez? The answer is plain and simple really.
 
Junaids said:
All of whom are rubbish outside Asia.
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Most of them haven't been tested outside Asia tbf.

yasir said:
Actually we don't have any, our opening is worse than our fast bowling.... It's worse than literally everybody else in the world [emoji20][emoji20][emoji20][emoji20]


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I think we can manage without Butt tbh. There are quite a few untested opening batsmen in domestic who I'd prefer being given a go. Not going to lie, I don't want Butt back in the side. I don't mind Amir returning because he was young and it was his first time. I'm definitely torn about Asif; the guy was a magical bowler but we all know his history so I'll understand if they don't give him a recall either.

Call me a hypocrite if you like, but those are my views.
 
ads101 said:
How is it worthless scoring in the UAE when we are winning matches because of it? Butt's contributions didn't even change the outcome of the match despite being impressive in Australia.

Performing in Australia is more impressive, but it is far more important for a batsman to be consistently scoring in the majority of his tests played then just a few out of all of his tests.
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Agree. Butt's innings were more impressive but Hafeez's innings had more worth as they came in a winning contribution.
 
From one controversial topic to another.

But good luck to both of them - will be looking forward.
 
Really stupid arguement. Case in point, folks like VVS achieved South Asia ATG status by simply performing brilliantly against Australia either in losing or winning causes. it takes a lot to score centuries in Australia.

Butt's sample set is much lower than Professor or others who have got a more sustained run barring (Younis/ Misbah). remember that Pak hadn't had a home series after the SL attacks till the time that Butt got banned in Aug 2010 (a year and a half), and neither had settled down to playing in the UAE.

Folks like Asad, Azhar, and even Misbah to a certain extent really started to bloom on the reall phatta tracks of UAE, which are flatter roads than wicket in Pakistan which have some seam, and swing especially during winter months.

If Butt also had 5 years and almost 40 tests in UAE, then make your point

Ahson8 said:
Most of them haven't been tested outside Asia tbf.



I think we can manage without Butt tbh. There are quite a few untested opening batsmen in domestic who I'd prefer being given a go. Not going to lie, I don't want Butt back in the side. I don't mind Amir returning because he was young and it was his first time. I'm definitely torn about Asif; the guy was a magical bowler but we all know his history so I'll understand if they don't give him a recall either.

Call me a hypocrite if you like, but those are my views.
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Welcome back.

PCB should also start making plans for them and fast track them into the side.
 
Glad to see these two have served their punishments as well and are back. Even though I have absolutely no respect for someone like Butt, I hope he has learned his lesson and has straightened himself out. Hopefully the lads do well in the domestic tournaments and present our selectors with another headache.
 
Pakistan's chief selector Haroon Rasheed has ruled out an immediate national team comeback of spot-fixing tainted duo of Salman Butt and Muhammad Asif who will resume playing domestic cricket from January 10 in the National One-day Championship.


Pakistan Cricket Board has permitted the duo to play for their department Wapda in the national event which begins in Karachi and Islamabad.

But Rasheed made it clear that there would be no immediate return for Butt and Asif to the national team even if they performed well in the championship.

"I would say they will have to wait until the next season and appear in the first class tournament before we can decide whether their form, fitness and attitude makes us consider them for national selection," Rasheed said on 'Geo Super' channel.

He said even Muhammad Aamir, the third player involved in the 2010 spot-fixing scandal in England, was only recalled to the Pakistan team after one proper domestic season.

"In Aamir's case, the ICC allowed him to resume playing last April and first he played Grade-11 cricket, then in different T20 tournaments and finally in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy and Bangladesh Premier League before we invited him for the national camp," the chief selector said.

"It was only after we were satisfied with his form, fitness and behavior in the camp that we decided to give him a second chance to play for the national team and picked him for the tour to New Zealand," Rasheed said.

He also pointed out that Aamir had undergone all necessary reintegration and rehabilitation programs of the PCB before he was allowed back into the team.

"It is too early to consider Butt and Asif. They are still completing their rehab and we have to see how they perform. But they will have to wait I think until next season," he added.
Source : http://www.deccanherald.com/content/521509/no-immediate-comeback-butt-asif.html
 
JibranAnsari said:
This is a clear discrimination by the pcb. Aamir has all the sympathy in the world and these two are still disgraced
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Its natural one was Captain and one was a serial offender

Still i think if they perform splendidly in domestics their chances for selection will improve
 
Pakcricket89 said:
Its natural one was Captain and one was a serial offender

Still i think if they perform splendidly in domestics their chances for selection will improve
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They were booked for the same crime..and if anything asif seemed the least involved in the fixing out if the three.
 
JibranAnsari said:
They were booked for the same crime..and if anything asif seemed the least involved in the fixing out if the three.
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That, I know, but what I am saying is that it is natural. When a young boy and a mature man commit the same crime people blame mature man more
 
JibranAnsari said:
Why wasnt asif and butt were not facilitated like aamir by pcb?
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The only reason I can think of is that they confessed a year or two after Aamir and did not start their 'remorse' period until way later. Therefore they are a bit behind.

I certainly, as a layman, saw Butt/Asif fighting their innocence to the bitter end while Aamir was way smarter and faster getting into his rehab.
 
I'm itching to have Asif back into the Test team at least, T20's would be alright as well.
 
#GreenRoars said:
Pakistan's chief selector Haroon Rasheed has ruled out an immediate national team comeback of spot-fixing tainted duo of Salman Butt and Muhammad Asif who will resume playing domestic cricket from January 10 in the National One-day Championship.


Pakistan Cricket Board has permitted the duo to play for their department Wapda in the national event which begins in Karachi and Islamabad.

But Rasheed made it clear that there would be no immediate return for Butt and Asif to the national team even if they performed well in the championship.

"I would say they will have to wait until the next season and appear in the first class tournament before we can decide whether their form, fitness and attitude makes us consider them for national selection," Rasheed said on 'Geo Super' channel.

He said even Muhammad Aamir, the third player involved in the 2010 spot-fixing scandal in England, was only recalled to the Pakistan team after one proper domestic season.

"In Aamir's case, the ICC allowed him to resume playing last April and first he played Grade-11 cricket, then in different T20 tournaments and finally in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy and Bangladesh Premier League before we invited him for the national camp," the chief selector said.

"It was only after we were satisfied with his form, fitness and behavior in the camp that we decided to give him a second chance to play for the national team and picked him for the tour to New Zealand," Rasheed said.

He also pointed out that Aamir had undergone all necessary reintegration and rehabilitation programs of the PCB before he was allowed back into the team.

"It is too early to consider Butt and Asif. They are still completing their rehab and we have to see how they perform. But they will have to wait I think until next season," he added.
Source : http://www.deccanherald.com/content/521509/no-immediate-comeback-butt-asif.html
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ooh, tough love. will last till about two matches of performance from either of these two. then the waffling will start.
 
JibranAnsari said:
This is a clear discrimination by the pcb. Aamir has all the sympathy in the world and these two are still disgraced
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amir is ban period is different and he confessed earlier than these two... Asif is like the bad boy of pak.. get international appearence and then commit something and get banned... really need to consider for his attitude same goes with butt within a short tenure as captain he did this spot fixing being greedy for money...
 
Asif does not rely on pace. I would not be surprised if he still has the magic.
 
JibranAnsari said:
They were booked for the same crime..and if anything asif seemed the least involved in the fixing out if the three.
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Asif is a FOUR time REPEAT offender. No country, team, justice system gives a chance to a repeat offender. In fact in most countries, a repeat offender is thrown the book at
 
in_cutter said:
Well, he does have a point. Fact is Asif IS a repeat offender.
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Well he was convicted once only so can't be considered a repeat offender in court of law. And his previous transgressions were stupid not criminal.


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Will be interesting to see how they perform. Thanks for the update.


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Couch Cricketer said:
Well he was convicted once only so can't be considered a repeat offender in court of law. And his previous transgressions were stupid not criminal.


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Eh? He was with-olden by PCB once for failing dope test. Was banned from IPL for failing dope test. Was in jail for carrying drugs. and finally caught for fixing. I don't know isse jyada ek cricketer kya kar sakta hai. Robbery or murder?

And who is talking about cpurt of law? We are talking about ICC and PCB. I know that since your board has never punished any player in history you have forgotten that cricket boards have every right to ban or pick or not pick player as they want according to their rules and not court of law

BTW, I love how you call me the moral brigade. I called out when Asif was pardoned first time that it will ocst Pak cricket. Not only did he cost Pakistan again and again, he also influenced young Amir. Looks like I am a bigger well wisher of Pakistani cricket than you at this point
 
I see no reason for them to comeback in the team without playing a single complete season. So good decision by PCB.
 
sunnykhan said:
I see no reason for them to comeback in the team without playing a single complete season. So good decision by PCB.
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If you really want to play Asif be clear about it. If you think he is a repeat offender and shouldn't comeback than say it openly and end it. There is no need for delaying tactics. This is for PCB.

Asif was an international success. You do not need a season or seasons to gauge his form and fitness. If he proves his form and fitness in national one day cup and grade 2 cricket than get him in the team for England tour. He is already 33 years old young. There is no need for him to play next season to come back to Pakistan cricket team 2 years after his ban ended at the age of 35 in 2017. Asif relies on Seam and swing. If he is bowling 128 to 133 135 kph in domestic one day cup and grade 2 cricket and is able to bowl 6 to 8 overs 2 , 3 spells in each grade 2 match at medium fast pace and swing and Seam is there and he is taking wickets than it would mean he has proved his form and fitness.

Pcb and selection committee need to come up straight about Asif and Butt and just stop this dramaybaazi and hypocrisy. If they failed to complete their rehab in 5 years time than is it Asif , Butt's fault ? If they did not allow them to play QEA after their ban ended than the 32 and 33 years old should be able to comeback to team after the completion 2016-2017 QEA trophy at the age of 34 and 35 ?

It doesn't take much time for things and people to change in PCB. Former chief secretary punjab is going to become pcb chairman most probably and than everyone will be towing his line.

Ridiculous statement from Haroon rashid. He should have said that we will monitor the fitness and performance of both the players in upcoming national one day cup and patrons trophy to decide where they stand.
 
They can return to the international team in time for the tour of Australia then providing their form, fitness and attitude are 10/10 [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]
 
sunnykhan said:
He wasn't a regular in T20s before his ban so how can you include him in T20s after his ban?
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He was a pretty decent T20 bowler from the small sample size that he currently has. Can bowl 4 overs, concede around 20 runs and pick up about 2-3 wickets.
 
ExplicitAI said:
He was a pretty decent T20 bowler from the small sample size that he currently has. Can bowl 4 overs, concede around 20 runs and pick up about 2-3 wickets.
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Stats don't tell how good he was in T20 and Odi cricket.

Why ?

Because he had the nag of picking up only 1 or 2 wickets at max in a match but 90 % of the times those wickets will be of the top batsman of the opposing team which would dent the opposing side massively.

Though if we see his strongest to weakest format it would be Tests > ODI's > T20's.

With him not playing PSL there is 0 chance of him playing T20 worldcup.

Also he doesn't have a good yorker so if he is playing T20 cricket he has to bowl his 4 era within first 12 to 14 overs unless unless at this age he develops a good yorker and slower bowl.


The chief selector isn't even considering him for test cricket in England even if he proves his form and fitness and you are considering him for T20 cricket which is totally impossible in any any case.


But what a great bowler to watch. A bowler who has dismissed top order batsman more than anybody in his era. 86 % of times. Credit fir this statement goes to [MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION]
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Stats don't tell how good he was in T20 and Odi cricket.

Why ?

Because he had the nag of picking up only 1 or 2 wickets at max in a match but 90 % of the times those wickets will be of the top batsman of the opposing team which would dent the opposing side massively.

Though if we see his strongest to weakest format it would be Tests > ODI's > T20's.

With him not playing PSL there is 0 chance of him playing T20 worldcup.

Also he doesn't have a good yorker so if he is playing T20 cricket he has to bowl his 4 era within first 12 to 14 overs unless unless at this age he develops a good yorker and slower bowl.


The chief selector isn't even considering him for test cricket in England even if he proves his form and fitness and you are considering him for T20 cricket which is totally impossible in any any case.


But what a great bowler to watch. A bowler who has dismissed top order batsman more than anybody in his era. 86 % of times. Credit fir this statement goes to [MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION]
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I'm still standing by the fact that Asif deserves to play T20's. He's a lot better than Irfan in T20's and can actually kill the opposition's top order. He doesn't need to bowl in the death, he just needs to bowl early and finish early.
 
I wish to see Asif back in the team. If he's performing with the same guile, of course.

Never liked Butt and his giant ego. A poor opener then, will be worse than Awais Zia currently
 
The Last Of The Stars said:
Looking forward to Butt. Asif won't impress in 50 over games.
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I also think the same! I am looking forward to Salman Butt especially in this 50 overs cup as he was a good 50 overs batsman! Asif wasnt a good 50 overs bowler! But lets see if he can make a strong comeback in 50 overs cricket!
 
Can somebody post the full squads please? Saj maybe?
 
zabalestmsm said:
I also think the same! I am looking forward to Salman Butt especially in this 50 overs cup as he was a good 50 overs batsman! Asif wasnt a good 50 overs bowler! But lets see if he can make a strong comeback in 50 overs cricket!
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I wonder if any other "patriotic" Pakistani is next in line to refuse to go to NZ because Asif and Butt are back? I would say Shahzad and IK should. Its been a whole week without any major display of integrity from our folk.
 
Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif performance in National One Day Cup [Update Post#21]

It will be fascinating to see how rusty they look. Amir has a year of cricket under his belt, but today is Day 1 for them.

Having said that, the total failure to unearth any opening batting or right-arm fast bowling talent whatsoever these last five years means that their former positions remain wide open.
 
They are in the squad - yes.

But whether they are in the lineup or not depends upon their team's captain.
 
ARY reporting that Salman Butt is currently batting and has scored over 70 runs. On the way to a century here
 
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