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Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif performance in domestic cricket after their return

Interesting - how many wickets did Asif end up with?


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dandapinda said:
What legal grounds? I don't think you can go to court saying you are not selected in team..,
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Mr.Pinda if these two perform and rip apart the Pakistan domestic, I'd like to see how PCB is NOT going to select them. It will be blatantly obvious why they won't be getting selected. That will open up PCB for some good legal bashing.

I know this situation is hard to take for you guys, but atleast try to be a bit logical here.

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Butt is a class act, can't see no reason why he shouldn't be back in the side, can't do worse than the likes of Sharjeel, Jamshed, Rafatullah, Iftikhar, Hafeez (in seaming conditions) and even Shehzad, can he? Its a travesty as none of the players have managed to establish their spot since his ban, tells a thing or two about the quality of talent coming through the ranks over 5 years to challenge his spot.
 
Butt used to be my favorite cricketer. Felt so devastated when he was found guilty. I didn't feel much for Asif or Amir.

He was finally looking good, and have a good career after being picked and dropped for many years. He doesn't deserve to be picked again, he never accepted his crime or even felt remorseful about it.
 
Is it just me or has Butt added a few more pounds to his belly since the last time we saw him?

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Salman Butt has returned to cricket with 135 off 143 balls for WAPDA against FATA <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash">#Pakistan</a> <a href="https://t.co/3PlCPiivTV">pic.twitter.com/3PlCPiivTV</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/686142463887683584">January 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Guys it's performance watch thread, there are other specific threads to discuss other things. Thanks
 
If misbah and yk can play in their 40's. Don't see why butt can't one of the most talented openers in the country since saeed Anwar and also a much better cricketing brain captaincy wise than the clueless azhar Ali , butt will be future captain again only a matter of time because he has no competition
 
Wow, what a comeback. I don't like him and even tactically speaking, Pakistan would prefer to invest in a younger opener. However, if Butt outscores all his competitors at the domestic scene he deserves a comeback.

What about Asif? Wouldn't even be surprised if he gets five wickets now. :asif
 
How many wickets did asif take??? Not concerned with butt. We need asif.
 
need to see how they do in whole tournament . FATA is a very weak side
 
Indiafan said:
Asif is a FOUR time REPEAT offender. No country, team, justice system gives a chance to a repeat offender. In fact in most countries, a repeat offender is thrown the book at
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Oh give it a rest will you...

Double standards to say the least. What do you make of Azharuddin now as an elected MP? or a murderer Sidhu now commentating in matches?
 
[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

Asif has better economy than Junaid Khan and has taken one wicket more than Junaid Khan today.

Both shared the new ball and Asif took wickets of both openers. One of the opener was rehan afridi. He is the best wicket keeping batsman prospect in the country according to me after sarfraz and rizwan of which rizwan is having miserable time at the moment with sarfraz also not having good time.

Junaid Khan took the wicket of tailender.

I hope now you can see the difference in quality of Mohammad Asif and Junaid Khan even after one of them playing competitive cricket after 5 long years.
 
Asif321 said:
need to see how they do in whole tournament . FATA is a very weak side
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Asif321 said:
Raffat scoring 51 shows the quality of bowling
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Keep it in mind that one of the opposing team bowler got 4 wickets and played like Aamer Sajjad and Adnan Raees failed.

FATA is not as bad a team as people think. They have got Mohammad irfan , Raza ullah wazir , irfanullah shah , khushdil shah and rehan afridi in their team. They play best the best spirit and passion and Rehan and khushdil may go on to play for Pakistan in future.
 
carbon11 said:
If misbah and yk can play in their 40's. Don't see why butt can't one of the most talented openers in the country since saeed Anwar and also a much better cricketing brain captaincy wise than the clueless azhar Ali , butt will be future captain again only a matter of time because he has no competition
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Salman Butt isn't fit to shine Saeed Anwar's boots. A Test average of 30 including multiple failures on the flat decks of Pakistan - Butt wasn't in his league.

As far as his captaincy goes - we all saw his genius when he let slip a situation where having come back into the Test series vs England in 2010 after a victory at The Oval, we had England 102-7 in the decider at Lords but thanks to Butt's defensive fields - England went on to make 446 with even Stuart freaking Broad making 169.

Sadly for him, and Pakistan, the day did not end in the rousing fashion it had begun. Butt missed a trick when Amir and Asif had England under the cosh before lunch. Instead of having fielders at vital close-in positions such as a third or fourth slip, an extra gully and a short leg, Butt showed his inexperience by wasting men at thirdman, deep point and deep square-leg. The wilting English hearts suddenly started swelling with hope and by the end of the day it was England who held the edge in the final Test. "If we were 110 all out this Test series would end two-all," said Stuart Broad, who got his name on the honours board at Lord's with a maiden Test century.
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Salman Butt had gone on the defensive too early with England still in deep trouble after the seventh wicket fell and the support bowling of Riaz and Ajmal wasn't the same threat as at The Oval.
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Well done to both, after no cricket for 5 years both probably couldnt ask for better returns.
 
Markhor said:
Salman Butt isn't fit to shine Saeed Anwar's boots. A Test average of 30 including multiple failures on the flat decks of Pakistan - Butt wasn't in his league.

As far as his captaincy goes - we all saw his genius when he let slip a situation where having come back into the Test series vs England in 2010 after a victory at The Oval, we had England 102-7 in the decider at Lords but thanks to Butt's defensive fields - England went on to make 446 with even Stuart freaking Broad making 169.
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Another good quality post by you.

Was it bad captaincy lack of intelligence? Or was it a case of spot or match fixing by salman butt where he intensional let England drift away ? What do you suggest?

What about Sydney test ? Was it yousuf inept thinking , intelligence and pathetic captaincy due to which he placed majority fielders on boundary against Hussey and Siddle ? Or was that field placing intensional and was done as part of spot or match fixing ?
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

Asif has better economy than Junaid Khan and has taken one wicket more than Junaid Khan today.

Both shared the new ball and Asif took wickets of both openers. One of the opener was rehan afridi. He is the best wicket keeping batsman prospect in the country according to me after sarfraz and rizwan of which rizwan is having miserable time at the moment with sarfraz also not having good time.

Junaid Khan took the wicket of tailender.

I hope now you can see the difference in quality of Mohammad Asif and Junaid Khan even after one of them playing competitive cricket after 5 long years.
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Mohammad Asif is in a different league to Junaid, Riaz and most other pacers in the world. That doesn't mean that Junaid isn't a good bowler himself.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Another good quality post by you.

Was it bad captaincy lack of intelligence? Or was it a case of spot or match fixing by salman butt where he intensional let England drift away ? What do you suggest?

What about Sydney test ? Was it yousuf inept thinking , intelligence and pathetic captaincy due to which he placed majority fielders on boundary against Hussey and Siddle ? Or was that field placing intensional and was done as part of spot or match fixing ?
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I can't comment if their captaincy was intentional as part of fixing, its serious allegations I wouldn't be able to substantiate.

But it was certainly incompetence of the highest order from Salman Butt to allow England back into the Test when we had them 102-7 with Jonathan Trott and a tail-ender at the other end. How did we not win from that position.
 
Against the weakest attack. Will wait till the tournament ends. Plus, he's not coming back atleast this year.
 
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Bilal7 said:
Mohammad Asif is in a different league to Junaid, Riaz and most other pacers in the world. That doesn't mean that Junaid isn't a good bowler himself.
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Come to the main point.

Junaid of 2012 would have taken atleast w,3 wickets of FATA batsman today and mostly of top order. And would not have taken a sole wicket of number 10 batsman at an economy of 5 where the team run rate of FATA was 3.92.

It will be a miracle if Junaid of 2012 is reborn again. Miracles do happen.
 
Markhor said:
I can't comment if their captaincy was intentional as part of fixing, its serious allegations I wouldn't be able to substantiate.

But it was certainly incompetence of the highest order from Salman Butt to allow England back into the Test when we had them 102-7 with Jonathan Trott and a tail-ender at the other end. How did we not win from that position.
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That was one big question mark not on Butt but entire bowling unit(Amir, Asif, Wahab), how they let Broad score 140 runs and 300+ for 8th wicket partnership?... One reason might be that at some point they came to know during that day they came to know about the scandal... Spot fixing scandal was broken during that match within day or two.


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yasir said:
That was one big question mark not on Butt but entire bowling unit(Amir, Asif, Wahab), how they let Broad score 140 runs and 300+ for 8th wicket partnership?... One reason might be that at some point they came to know during that day they came to know about the scandal... Spot fixing scandal was broken during that match within day or two.


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The bowling should've been better but Butt cannot be let off the hook for his defensive captaincy, he definitely holds some responsibility for that debacle.

PP at the time were going mental over his captaincy - http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...cketer-quot-Salman-Butt&p=8310052#post8310052
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Mohammad Asif doing prostration in one of the pictures. Thanking Allah :-)
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People dont realize how important asif is .its not just his bowling but under his guidance amir's talent got honed and he even gave tips to anderson. He can help out some other bowlers in Pakistan as well and impart some skills in them.
 
Madplayer said:
People dont realize how important asif is .its not just his bowling but under his guidance amir's talent got honed and he even gave tips to anderson. He can help out some other bowlers in Pakistan as well and impart some skills in them.
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InshaAllah he will be back in the Pakistan team for tour of England for both tests and odi's if he stays fit.
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] bhaee would now scold me and would call me as someone having Stockholm Syndrome :( :'(
 
Madplayer said:
People dont realize how important asif is .its not just his bowling but under his guidance amir's talent got honed and he even gave tips to anderson. He can help out some other bowlers in Pakistan as well and impart some skills in them.
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He is not needed in the odi , he was a bad ipl bowler and he has been consistently bad in odis for Pakistan

Tests is probably where on his day he is the best in the world


but the point i agree with you is the coaching aspect
akhtar hasn't really gone into coaching and neither has any one else of that generation barring inzi with afg
 
Butt isn't the second coming of Saeed Anwar but he's the best out of the openers we had and there were signs which suggested he'd turn a corner as far as his batting is concerned. With his captaincy, there were positives but can't judge exactly how good or bad he was given that potential fixing could have been going on behind the scenes beyond the instance where he was finally caught.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
InshaAllah he will be back in the Pakistan team for tour of England for both tests and odi's if he stays fit.

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] bhaee would now scold me and would call me as someone having Stockholm Syndrome :( :'(
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Even i want to scold you :))
 
Can't judge Butt's performance after one match since it was against one of the weakest bowling attacks. Asif is someone who I desperately want back. He'll skittle out top order batsmen.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
You will be disappointed in June July. Mark my words if Asif stays fit.
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Both will not be picked against England. No matter how many runs Butt scores or how many wickets Asif takes.

Plus, chief selector made it clear that they need to play complete FC season before being considered which they can not until September-October 2016. They will face a strong opposition from the players within the team. Amir's case is an example. Lastly, PCB will never send them to England as they were caught there last time. England's media will tear them apart. Amir still has sympathy votes. So it's a different scenario.
 
Let him play a few matches before judging him.

Good start though.
 
They should be selected based on merit. No preferential treatment for Amir. It's what I always say, play the XI that has the best chance at winning games. They are playing for Pakistan and not for someone's chacha or gully mohalla team.

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] Salman Butt (149 inns) has become the 2nd fastest after Kohli (143 inns) to 20 century in all one-day matches (ListA) history.

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Junaids said:
I'm just thrilled.

I've been a well-wisher of Pakistan cricket for years, since the mid-1970s.

I saw in the period 2005-10 your team fall apart due to the effects of Inzamam's theocracy followed by rampant fixing and terrible administration leaving you virtually no matches between 2007-2009, and missing half your team due to the ICL.

In 2010 the whole reason that the News of the World entrapped Amir, Asif and Butt was because they were your best three players.

You have since survived by giving mediocre players like Misbah and Hafeez custom-designed UAE pitches. But let's be honest: your Test cricket is boring and your ODI and T20 cricket is awful.

Your best three players were always better than Hafeez or Azhar Ali or Imran Khan. The ICC says that they are fully rehabilitated and free to play for Pakistan.

And continuing to exclude them just plays into the hands of your opponents. As an England fan I really hope that you don't bring Asif and Butt this summer!
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Boring? You must not enjoy quality spin bowling then. Nor the ups and downs and the wobbles that Pakistan still tends to be guilty of within a match.
 
Indiafan said:
I really, really do not understand your logic at all. You will defend to death, three players who are convicted of fixing. Actually caught with proof and convicted in 3 different courts/tribunal. Asif whom you seem to love was convicted by CAS, ICC and the crown. Not to ignore the 3 times he had a prior brush with the law

And then you will sling mud at everyone else. They were caught because they were greatest players. ICC/BCCI/ECB/NOTW conspiracy and what not. You sling mud at IPL/BCCI all the time without even any proof.

To me it just seems the height of double standards without any logic behind it
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Not saying that that is the case, but tbf if it were, do you really think they'd leave behind a trail or record/proof that would get them reprimanded?
 
shebimalik said:
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] Salman Butt (149 inns) has become the 2nd fastest after Kohli (143 inns) to 20 century in all one-day matches (ListA) history.

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[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] Most runs after 150 One Day matches (List A)

6253 Shikhar Dhawan
6251 Hashim Amla
6246 Virat Kohli
6184 Salman Butt (today)
6172 Klinger

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IcedCoffee said:
Boring? You must not enjoy quality spin bowling then. Nor the ups and downs and the wobbles that Pakistan still tends to be guilty of within a match.
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I love watching EITHER

A) Good spin bowling on a sporting pitch on Days 4 and 5,
Or
B) Good spin bowling on a 3 day minefield pitch like in India's home Tests.

What bores me to sleep is ANY Test in which EITHER side scores more than 450 in an innings.

But more to the point, you have TEN Tests this year in England, NZ and Australia. Yasir Shah would have taken at best 20 wickets in 10 Tests at an average of 40+. You will be so much better off playing Amir, Asif, Wahab and a fourth quick - probably Rahat Ali - rather than a specialist spinner.

Spinners don't take wickets in any of the first three innings in those places.
 
I don't know. I personally would never pick him for the national team. Purely for the reason that he had orcerstated the spot fixing and continuously lied about it. Futhermore, he had to regard for his fellow colleagues and what the implications could be. As long as he got the money he was happy. It would be a huge mistake if he was selected never mind even considered.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Mr.Pinda if these two perform and rip apart the Pakistan domestic, I'd like to see how PCB is NOT going to select them. It will be blatantly obvious why they won't be getting selected. That will open up PCB for some good legal bashing.

I know this situation is hard to take for you guys, but atleast try to be a bit logical here.

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You are saying every player in every country who played well in domestic got into teams? There is no legal angle if PCB doesn't select someone into national team.
 
Noticed that Junaid is bowling with Asif and I hope he could learn something from latter.
 
Love them, hate them, good quality, bad quality, whatever it is, no matter what, you can't be a little baffled and bizarrely impressed.

5 years out of the game, and these two still have quality within them both.

Any speed numbers on Asif/bowling info?

Of all three players, I thought Asif was the worst to go. ATG test bowler would have been his label if not for all his shenanigans.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Mr.Pinda if these two perform and rip apart the Pakistan domestic, I'd like to see how PCB is NOT going to select them. It will be blatantly obvious why they won't be getting selected. That will open up PCB for some good legal bashing.

I know this situation is hard to take for you guys, but atleast try to be a bit logical here.

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Mr Chadda they can't sue PCB for not selecting them. Did graeme hick, brad hodge, amol mazumdar sue their boards for not selecting them. Just check their domestic records. And yeah that sadaf hussain guy too. Ask him to sue PCB too.
 
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You are saying every player in every country who played well in domestic got into teams? There is no legal angle if PCB doesn't select someone into national team.
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The situation is very different. I've had a post of mine deleted due to these posts being off-topic. Feel free to open a new thread while you still can't over these two coming back.

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Good performances by the two. They have served their time. I am hoping Asif can make a quick comeback to the squad, really miss his bowling - it was fun to watch.
 
Read somewhere:

Salman Butt has become the second fastest(after Virat Kohli) in the history of LIST-A cricket to score 20 tons.
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] one for you.

He has always been a quality ODI batsman.

Think we might just need him.

Big big tour for Shehzad & Azhar.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Read somewhere:

Salman Butt has become the second fastest(after Virat Kohli) in the history of LIST-A cricket to score 20 tons.
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] one for you.

He has always been a quality ODI batsman.

Think we might just need him.

Big big tour for Shehzad & Azhar.
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They made him the captain because he was the best Pakistan batsman under the age of 35.

And he still almost certainly is.

Salman Butt is the same age as Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq and four years younger than Hafeez.

Yet Butt was the captain of the national team when none of them were good enough to get into the team.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After making 135 against FATA, Salman Butt in the second match since his comeback has scored 99 not out against Karachi <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/686832952127418368">January 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After making 135 against FATA, Salman Butt in the second match since his comeback has scored 99 not out against Karachi <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/686832952127418368">January 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Sounds like when he is not distracted, he can bat better!
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After making 135 against FATA, Salman Butt in the second match since his comeback has scored 99 not out against Karachi <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/686832952127418368">January 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Come on Butt! Discrimination karnai walai PCB aur PPers ko mun tor jawab
 
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99* . did he not play as an opener today?
 
:)))

How he is doing this? All these lulloo batsmen who've been toying around in the circuit for past 5 years and are also now in early 30s can't score back to back hundreds to save their lives, and now he's doing it straight back from the dead...

Maybe [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] was right all along... At first I thought he was playing with our Pakistani emotions in regards to Salman Butt.. but maybe he was right?
 
Suleiman said:
:)))

How he is doing this? All these lulloo batsmen who've been toying around in the circuit for past 5 years and are also now in early 30s can't score back to back hundreds to save their lives, and now he's doing it straight back from the dead...

Maybe [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] was right all along... At first I thought he was playing with our Pakistani emotions in regards to Salman Butt.. but maybe he was right?
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Really does put into perspective doesn't it. Even if he goes on a low scoring streak from now on, he has quite shown up Pakistani domestic batting.

Maybe he has been practicing in secret against some unregistered club side - some of them have better bowling than in Pak domestic.
 
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