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Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif performance in domestic cricket after their return

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How he is doing this? All these lulloo batsmen who've been toying around in the circuit for past 5 years and are also now in early 30s can't score back to back hundreds to save their lives, and now he's doing it straight back from the dead...

Maybe [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] was right all along... At first I thought he was playing with our Pakistani emotions in regards to Salman Butt.. but maybe he was right?
You can't score Test centuries in Australia against McGrath, Warne, Johnson and Gillespie unless you are an exceptionally good batsman. That's all!
 
:)))

How he is doing this? All these lulloo batsmen who've been toying around in the circuit for past 5 years and are also now in early 30s can't score back to back hundreds to save their lives, and now he's doing it straight back from the dead...

Maybe [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] was right all along... At first I thought he was playing with our Pakistani emotions in regards to Salman Butt.. but maybe he was right?

he is not that bad as some posters make him look. He had a very decent run against aussies in 2004-2005 tour scored against likes of mcgrath lee and warne

But people do not get it.

Apart from junaids supporting ehsan adil, his posts are quite realistic
 
Really does put into perspective doesn't it. Even if he goes on a low scoring streak from now on, he has quite shown up Pakistani domestic batting.

Maybe he has been practicing in secret against some unregistered club side - some of them have better bowling than in Pak domestic.


Obviously. Everything happens/ can happen in Pakistan with the right amount of 'leverage'. I wont be surprised if Butt was practicing/training with local clubs/facilities and train with cricketers in nets. He is from a well off family in Lahore. You just need the right connections.
 
Still though, I don't see Salman playing again but I think deep down he realises that if a miracle is to happen and he has even a slight chance of returning to the pak team; he has to practically score hundreds every game :))
 
Still though, I don't see Salman playing again but I think deep down he realises that if a miracle is to happen and he has even a slight chance of returning to the pak team; he has to practically score hundreds every game :))

If not in the Pakistani team, there are countless leagues he could become available for. I am quite surprised by his batting right now. He seems to have had an explosive start
 
btw. sorry for my ignorance but is this the highest level in our domestic circuit?
 
Poor stuff from PCB. This should have been televised



btw. sorry for my ignorance but is this the highest level in our domestic circuit?

For both of you - everytime when PCB is like this, I am singing this in my head


"Ab to aaadat si hai mujh ko, youn jeeenay main"

And yes, it is the premium domestic ODI tournament, until some sponsor pops up and we can have a flash one day cup spread over a week and call it Peshawar Zalmi Haier Habib Bank Pentangular Cup 2016.
 
If not in the Pakistani team, there are countless leagues he could become available for. I am quite surprised by his batting right now. He seems to have had an explosive start

Same here, he's been out of the game for 5 years and even if he was practising against club bowlers; this is a big step up and he seems to have not lost a step. Asif I expected to find success because he's very skillfull, at best his pace would be down but that has always been low. It depends on if those leagues accept him.
 
I have no idea.

Even PCB's site has no score card or info.

I think Saj bhai is relying on his personal contacts to get the information here.

I had a look on their site to, oh well we'll know everything by the end of the day
 
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How he is doing this? All these lulloo batsmen who've been toying around in the circuit for past 5 years and are also now in early 30s can't score back to back hundreds to save their lives, and now he's doing it straight back from the dead...

Maybe [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] was right all along... At first I thought he was playing with our Pakistani emotions in regards to Salman Butt.. but maybe he was right?

Salman Butt has ALWAYS been a quality ODI batsman. One of our best.

Would average around 45 now.

And if he played constantly for these past 5 years, he'd have the same amount of tons as Virat Kohli
 
To be fair most of the top order alongside him was out for single digits according to the scorecard

Number 7 and 8 still batted at a high sr. Nowadays even when wickets fall its no excuse to tuk tuk. 99 of 145 odd balls lol. The oppo and in particular a poor player like faisal showed him how its done. His team also lost wickets.
 
The score card is always on cric info website. You just have to search for the team.


I think and I am probably wrong but the scorecard gets updated after the match. Not live coverage during the match.

Also, looking at the scorecard - that 99 runs cost his team the match.

Earlier in the morning, the parosi beauties were being upset at sharma for scoring a very slow 171*

This surely has to be worse than that.
 
I think and I am probably wrong but the scorecard gets updated after the match. Not live coverage during the match.

Also, looking at the scorecard - that 99 runs cost his team the match.

Earlier in the morning, the parosi beauties were being upset at sharma for scoring a very slow 171*

This surely has to be worse than that.

LOL rohit played abroad vs an international team and scored at a rate over 100. Butt playing against domestic trundlers scores at a rate of 68!

We have enough tuk tuks. If he really wants to come back then he better scores like 60 odd of 40 balls thats what we need.
 
Any observations from any journos who watched the match?

When a guy who just scored 135 bats first and scores 99 not out in 50 overs with no team mate even reaching 40, there are several options:

1. It was a very tricky track which then flattened out as the sun shone, so it was a masterful innings.
2. It was an out of form batsman.
3. It was an outclassed team.
 
Any observations from any journos who watched the match?

When a guy who just scored 135 bats first and scores 99 not out in 50 overs with no team mate even reaching 40, there are several options:

1. It was a very tricky track which then flattened out as the sun shone, so it was a masterful innings.
2. It was an out of form batsman.
3. It was an outclassed team.

I've had some information from Butt. He said it was a very difficult track to bat on for the team batting first.
 
I've had some information from Butt. He said it was a very difficult track to bat on for the team batting first.
To be honest, that was my interpretation of the scorecard too. I've had decades of practice at this.

But I didn't want to stick my neck out and say so without listing the options, because some people on this forum think I'm a blind follower of Butt.

Assuming that you are right, 99 not out on a spiteful wicket where no teammate even reached 40 was presumably a far more significant innings than his 135 against FATA on a more normal surface.

I will start another thread specific to Salman Butt, as the three fixers tend to be grouped together on this forum and collectively put into stocks like a thirteenth century witchcraft suspect. There are very specific Salman Butt issues that the PCB is going to have to address one way or the other. They had hoped that he would "go away" either with a continued ICC suspension or loss of form, and it's clearly not going to happen.

I always knew that he was by far your best opener technically. But he lacked consistency and hunger. Five years out of the game and a lot of growing up seem to have fixed that deficit.
 
No matter how difficult the conditions ever, batting out 50 overs with a strike rate of 68 is not acceptable. Especially since in the second innings even Faisal Iqbal scored 89(90) against a bowling attack of Junaid Khan, Mohammed Asif and Zulfikar Babar on the same pitch.
 
If misbah and yk can play in their 40's. Don't see why butt can't one of the most talented openers in the country since saeed Anwar and also a much better cricketing brain captaincy wise than the clueless azhar Ali , butt will be future captain again only a matter of time because he has no competition

Salman Butt has some influential Supporters, he will get into the side if he keeps performing. But should never be made Captain again. Azhar Ali unfortunately does not look like a good Captaincy Material at the moment.
 
No matter how difficult the conditions ever, batting out 50 overs with a strike rate of 68 is not acceptable. Especially since in the second innings even Faisal Iqbal scored 89(90) against a bowling attack of Junaid Khan, Mohammed Asif and Zulfikar Babar on the same pitch.
That's a ridiculous post, you have watched too many ODIs on flat tracks with no movement.

There is a long history, especially in England, of dew making tracks treacherous early on. Sometimes they take 20 overs to dry out, hence the classic Kapil Dev 175 not out v Zimbabwe and the similar Viv Richards innings v England.

But sometimes it takes 30 or 40 overs. That's clearly what happened yesterday: Zulfiqar Babar scored a quick 30, but only because Salman Butt had held the innings together so that his team was still batting.

But to compare a slow morning 99 not out with an afternoon 89 is insane - the conditions were obviously different for batting. After all, the guy who scored 99 not out in 50 overs had just made 135 in his previous innings.
 
Salman Butt has some influential Supporters, he will get into the side if he keeps performing. But should never be made Captain again. Azhar Ali unfortunately does not look like a good Captaincy Material at the moment.

Azhar Ali will be replaced by malik unless he pretends not to like Amir again

Butt will go back to being mediocre once the initial wanting to prove a point to the world focus goes
 
If he or Asif comes and play internationally, it would be the horriblest thing ever happened to pak cricket. Amir case was OK, but both these **** were neither young and had very much of an understanding what they were doing. No matter what, these two shall never come back. They both will always remain a disgrace to cricket. And if PCB will forgive them, i dont think rest of the world would.
 
That's a ridiculous post, you have watched too many ODIs on flat tracks with no movement.

There is a long history, especially in England, of dew making tracks treacherous early on. Sometimes they take 20 overs to dry out, hence the classic Kapil Dev 175 not out v Zimbabwe and the similar Viv Richards innings v England.

But sometimes it takes 30 or 40 overs. That's clearly what happened yesterday: Zulfiqar Babar scored a quick 30, but only because Salman Butt had held the innings together so that his team was still batting.

But to compare a slow morning 99 not out with an afternoon 89 is insane - the conditions were obviously different for batting. After all, the guy who scored 99 not out in 50 overs had just made 135 in his previous innings.

In the unlikely situation where Butt is selected to play for Pak, how many years does he even have left? 5 years out is still 5 years out; playing at the international level is a huge step up and reflex's typically deteriorate the older you get.
 
In the unlikely situation where Butt is selected to play for Pak, how many years does he even have left? 5 years out is still 5 years out; playing at the international level is a huge step up and reflex's typically deteriorate the older you get.

He is 9 years younger than Younis and 11 years younger than Misbah!
 
He is 9 years younger than Younis and 11 years younger than Misbah!

He has been out for 5 years and I know you will give the example of Misbah but he was playing FC cricket in the era dominated by the middle order of moyo, inzi and team man
 
He has been out for 5 years and I know you will give the example of Misbah but he was playing FC cricket in the era dominated by the middle order of moyo, inzi and team man

Forget about age, the biggest issue is that in past 5 years, we haven't found anybody to cement his place as a opener.

On the flip side, Butt looks hungry and determine to do well to get in team. I'm certain he will have connections also within PCB to make that happen. And to back it up, he is and will perform in domestic. So all the check boxes will be checked.
 
Forget about age, the biggest issue is that in past 5 years, we haven't found anybody to cement his place as a opener.

On the flip side, Butt looks hungry and determine to do well to get in team. I'm certain he will have connections also within PCB to make that happen. And to back it up, he is and will perform in domestic. So all the check boxes will be checked.

While that is true but Azar Ali has potential and Hafeez is a beast in UAE conditions. However, just because x,y,z hasn't cemented their place Butt doesn't get a free pass; he'll have to prove his worth no doubt but in the end the PCB selectors will not pick him. Asif has a better chance.
 
While that is true but Azar Ali has potential and Hafeez is a beast in UAE conditions. However, just because x,y,z hasn't cemented their place Butt doesn't get a free pass; he'll have to prove his worth no doubt but in the end the PCB selectors will not pick him. Asif has a better chance.

In Test, Azhar plays at # 3, so he doesn't compete with him and in ODI his own place is in jeopardy. Therefore, in a nutshell, he's a lot of work to do.

As for Hafeez, yes, he's good in subcontinent, but unfortunately cricket is played in other parts of the world as well, more specifically in bowling friendly conditions. His performance in those condition is not hidden from anybody.

As for his selection in national team, like as I said before, I'm quite certain he'll have some kind of connection to make it into the playing XI and to back it up will make truckload of runs in domestic.

If PCB and selectors don't want to pick him then they need to spell it out clearly. However, I was watching a TV show on GEO SUPER and Haroon Rashid said if anybody performs in domestic after completing his ban then we would consider him.

Not saying that he should be part of the team but we all know how things work in PCB.
 
In Test, Azhar plays at # 3, so he doesn't compete with him and in ODI his own place is in jeopardy. Therefore, in a nutshell, he's a lot of work to do.

As for Hafeez, yes, he's good in subcontinent, but unfortunately cricket is played in other parts of the world as well, more specifically in bowling friendly conditions. His performance in those condition is not hidden from anybody.

As for his selection in national team, like as I said before, I'm quite certain he'll have some kind of connection to make it into the playing XI and to back it up will make truckload of runs in domestic.

If PCB and selectors don't want to pick him then they need to spell it out clearly. However, I was watching a TV show on GEO SUPER and Haroon Rashid said if anybody performs in domestic after completing his ban then we would consider him.

Not saying that he should be part of the team but we all know how things work in PCB.

It's all iffs and butts at the moment, once Salman scores the truck loads of runs then he'd have a case for the opening position. I doubt Azar is going to lose his position at the top in ODI's anytime soon and he's done enough to inspire the confidence of the selectors, he's also the captain. He had to open to accommodate Malik which was unfair but should the need arise they'll use him at the top and I'd like to think out of the lot right now he has the best technique to deal with the new ball in Test Cricket so he'd be a lot more valuable as an opening batsman then at #3 on the coming foreign tours especially. I'd be surprised to see Salman return tbh going by the fuss certain folk made over the inclusion of Amir, sure they can get rid of such folk who could feel as if their own position is being threatened but if other members share their concern in terms not feeling compatible then it won't be so easy for Salman to come back
 
It's all iffs and butts at the moment, once Salman scores the truck loads of runs then he'd have a case for the opening position. I doubt Azar is going to lose his position at the top in ODI's anytime soon and he's done enough to inspire the confidence of the selectors, he's also the captain. He had to open to accommodate Malik which was unfair but should the need arise they'll use him at the top and I'd like to think out of the lot right now he has the best technique to deal with the new ball in Test Cricket so he'd be a lot more valuable as an opening batsman then at #3 on the coming foreign tours especially. I'd be surprised to see Salman return tbh going by the fuss certain folk made over the inclusion of Amir, sure they can get rid of such folk who could feel as if their own position is being threatened but if other members share their concern in terms not feeling compatible then it won't be so easy for Salman to come back

FYI bro, Azhar doesn't want to bat at opener in Test, this is what he himself said on National TV when asked few weeks ago. As for his captaincy, if he doesn't perform in the coming tours, then I wouldn't be surprised if he struggles to keep a spot in limited overs team. He captaincy wouldn't save his place in the playing XI.

As for Butt making a comeback in national team, if PCB can make it happen for Amir then nothing will stop Butt to do so. Of curse, he has to earn this spot with back to back performances in domestic, which he has done so far. Let see where he ends up when this season wraps up.
 
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FYI bro, Azhar doesn't want to bat at opener in Test, this is what he himself said on National TV when asked few weeks ago. As for his captaincy, if he doesn't perform in the coming tours, then I wouldn't be surprised if he struggles to keep a spot in limited overs team. He captaincy wouldn't save his place in the playing XI.

As for Butt making a comeback in national team, if PCB can make it happen for Amir then nothing will stop Butt to do so. Of curse, he has to earn this spot with back to back performances in domestic, which he has done so far. Let see where he ends up when this season wraps up.

They accepted the resignation of this unwilling captain, think they really fancy their yes man; Azar is going to be captain for a long time imo. As a batsman I expect him to thrive, the jury is still out on his captaincy but he doesn't inspire my confidence and even moreso after he threw the towel but the PCB are to blame for rejecting his resignation. If everyone in the pak team form a pact and butt playing in the same team is of great concern then it will be tricky, with amir it was different since his narrative was easier to sell and Salman has been accepted as the big bad butt.
 
They accepted the resignation of this unwilling captain, think they really fancy their yes man; Azar is going to be captain for a long time imo. As a batsman I expect him to thrive, the jury is still out on his captaincy but he doesn't inspire my confidence and even moreso after he threw the towel but the PCB are to blame for rejecting his resignation. If everyone in the pak team form a pact and butt playing in the same team is of great concern then it will be tricky, with amir it was different since his narrative was easier to sell and Salman has been accepted as the big bad butt.

Yes, One day he offered his resignation and other day gets ready to be skipper again and joined camp too alongside with Amir. Don't want to go in all those details why everybody came on the same page after their meeting with Chairman.

Bottom line, Azhar is not a cheer captains material and his own place is not certain when it comes to ODI's. Certainly he's improved his game but still a lot of work needs to be done in order to catch up with Modern day cricket, specially as opener. 2016 will be a very tough year for him and let's see where he stand in the end.

As for Butt, like it or not but there is a chance for him come back for all the reasons I've explained above.
 
Yes, One day he offered his resignation and other day gets ready to be skipper again and joined camp too alongside with Amir. Don't want to go in all those details why everybody came on the same page after their meeting with Chairman.

Bottom line, Azhar is not a cheer captains material and his own place is not certain when it comes to ODI's. Certainly he's improved his game but still a lot of work needs to be done in order to catch up with Modern day cricket, specially as opener. 2016 will be a very tough year for him and let's see where he stand in the end.

As for Butt, like it or not but there is a chance for him come back for all the reasons I've explained above.

His place is not certain but he has displayed a willingess to improve and his stats speak for themselves, he is going to get a decent run and his captaincy will prolong that run since he is the PCB's chosen one.

Not about what I like or dislike but the fact of the matter is that it won't be as easy for Butt to return like Amir whos narrative is easier to sell, if PCB manage to convince the entire team to play in the same team as butt it would be something. However the saving grace for butt and asif is the coach who has said he is open to their return should they perform well but it doesnt make their return any easy, especially for butt
 
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Why are these players being given more importance than others in the domestic circuit? Do remember there are other batsmen who are scoring more runs than Salman Butt and at a better rate. If Butt deserves recognition, so do they. To get a call-up he should score more runs than any other batsmen in the circuit and at a better rate across the entire season and if he does that, he deserves a call-up.

But i very much doubt it.
 
7 overs 0-37 for Asif on a spinners friendly wicket in second innings where one spinner got 5 wickets ad other got 4 wickets. So it should not be much of a concern for Asif fans.
 
:))) 6 runs, what excuse will the mentally inept, confused, delusional and insecure/embarrassed [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] come up with today
 
His place is not certain but he has displayed a willingess to improve and his stats speak for themselves, he is going to get a decent run and his captaincy will prolong that run since he is the PCB's chosen one.

Not about what I like or dislike but the fact of the matter is that it won't be as easy for Butt to return like Amir whos narrative is easier to sell, if PCB manage to convince the entire team to play in the same team as butt it would be something. However the saving grace for butt and asif is the coach who has said he is open to their return should they perform well but it doesnt make their return any easy, especially for butt

Willingness, motivation and hard work take a back seat when a player fails in his primary role, not the mention countless blunders he makes in every game. His performance wasn't strong against ENG (who was missing their primary bowlers ) in UAE so God knows what will happen in away tours in 2016. If he'll continue to flunk then PCB will be under too much pressure to look for somebody else.

As for Butt, I never said that it'll be a cake walk for him to get into the team OR he'll get a red carpet reception. Naturally he has to out perform many in domestic cricket as opener, to put a strong case for this selection. Said that, I wouldn't be astonished if few months later PCB take a U-turn (which they do all the time) and will be more than ready to accept him. In the end, we all know how things work in out country based on nepotism.

As for convincing the entire team to play alongside with Butt, I'm not certain if everybody will have issue with him, but some will definitely raise their voice and concern (which could be a valid concern if I put myself in their shoes). However, PCB will deal with them before close doors and everything will become hunky dory in no time.

Anyways, no point in any further dragging this because it's like going round and round. Have already said what I had to.
 
Willingness, motivation and hard work take a back seat when a player fails in his primary role, not the mention countless blunders he makes in every game. His performance wasn't strong against ENG (who was missing their primary bowlers ) in UAE so God knows what will happen in away tours in 2016. If he'll continue to flunk then PCB will be under too much pressure to look for somebody else.

As for Butt, I never said that it'll be a cake walk for him to get into the team OR he'll get a red carpet reception. Naturally he has to out perform many in domestic cricket as opener, to put a strong case for this selection. Said that, I wouldn't be astonished if few months later PCB take a U-turn (which they do all the time) and will be more than ready to accept him. In the end, we all know how things work in out country based on nepotism.

As for convincing the entire team to play alongside with Butt, I'm not certain if everybody will have issue with him, but some will definitely raise their voice and concern (which could be a valid concern if I put myself in their shoes). However, PCB will deal with them before close doors and everything will become hunky dory in no time.

Anyways, no point in any further dragging this because it's like going round and round. Have already said what I had to.

Misbah has found himself at the receiving end of such pressure many a time but the PCB persisted with him. Willingness, motivation and hardwork are key attributes in ones success and they pay off eventually. In the same conditions he has thrived against other teams and it's not often we can say that there is an opener in the team with an average of 40 and positive S/R during his second run at the top, if an investment is made in a certain player they should not be dropped the moment they fail it's only when failures are prolonged that we let them go.

That's his first obstacle I guess, he has to score runs to get their attention; in the end it all depends on how many members are for and against Butt being the same team. Surely if the majority is strongly against his return the PCB will be left with no choice but to not select him. But yeah you're right we don't really know for sure what the feeling is in the locker-room about his return and you could be right in that there could be only a few individuals but we don't know....
 
:))) 6 runs, what excuse will the mentally inept, confused, delusional and insecure/embarrassed [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] come up with today

Thanks for the compliments (I think) :)

If it's okay with you, I don't think I should mount a defence of every innings he plays, good or bad.

He's now had one failure in three innings, and his average has dropped down to 120.00!
 
Thanks for the compliments (I think) :)

If it's okay with you, I don't think I should mount a defence of every innings he plays, good or bad.

He's now had one failure in three innings, and his average has dropped down to 120.00!

Sir Junaids, you had no problem analysing the hundred and 99* at great lengths did you :yk Why not every innings or more specifically the failures. The hilarious thing is, your bff will not receive a Visa should the dumb selectors pick that shameless fixer so it's beyond me why you have been climaxing over his return
 
Sir Junaids, you had no problem analysing the hundred and 99* at great lengths did you :yk Why not every innings or more specifically the failures. The hilarious thing is, your bff will not receive a Visa should the dumb selectors pick that shameless fixer so it's beyond me why you have been climaxing over his return

Some pretty harsh words there! :)

I don't think that Salman Butt is the new Saeed Anwar.

I think he can average 30 outside Asia whereas Hafeez or Shehzad couldn't average 10.

The difference between 50-1 or 6-1 in away Tests.
 
Both should be back. If Waqar and Inzimam can become Pakistan's captain then Salman can become one in the future as well.
 
Some pretty harsh words there! :)

I don't think that Salman Butt is the new Saeed Anwar.

I think he can average 30 outside Asia whereas Hafeez or Shehzad couldn't average 10.

The difference between 50-1 or 6-1 in away Tests.

:yk2 I know.

While that may be true, how do you plan on getting Butt into England? :afridi
 
Tomorrow they are playing against Rawalpindi. They have a decent bowling lineup (Arafat, Tanvir etc) so it will be interesting to see how Salman Butt does against them. Their batting is average so let's see how Asif goes
 
Tomorrow they are playing against Rawalpindi. They have a decent bowling lineup (Arafat, Tanvir etc) so it will be interesting to see how Salman Butt does against them. Their batting is average so let's see how Asif goes

The match is at khi ?
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] which khi ground is good for seam/swing bowlers ? And what about this ground where tomorrow Asif plays ?

Hadi if wicket has got assistance for pacers and wapda bowl first than Asif will get 2 to 6 wickets while if he bowls second he would get 1 to 4 wickets. I.A
 
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