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Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif performance in domestic cricket after their return

hadi123 said:
Tomorrow they are playing against Rawalpindi. They have a decent bowling lineup (Arafat, Tanvir etc) so it will be interesting to see how Salman Butt does against them. Their batting is average so let's see how Asif goes
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Should be on now.....
 
Bullet Drive said:
Salman Butt has ALWAYS been a quality ODI batsman. One of our best.

Would average around 45 now.

And if he played constantly for these past 5 years, he'd have the same amount of tons as Virat Kohli
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Why not Tendulkar?

Why stop at Kohli?
 
#WAPDA won by 5 wkts #Rawalpindi 166 (43.1) Naveed Yasin 38, Naveed Malik 28, Khalid Usman 3/40 Muhammad Asif 2/34 (10)
 
Asif's performances so far dissapoinging. How was Butt today?
 
Asif got 2 wickets. One right hand batsman and other left hand batsman. Both caught by keeper. This tells that he is swinging/seaming the ball. And his eco of 3.40 in 10 overs spell is even better than spinners of Wapda.

Who are other right arm fast medium or medium fast bowlers in pakistan who swing/seam and bowl in good length areas ? Only one as far as I know Ehsan Adil.

Who is better amongst 22 years old Ehsan or 33 years old Asif ?
For me certainly Asif.

I will pick Asif for Pakistan's next test and odi tours of England , New Zealand , South Africa and Srilanka.

He can be match winner for Pakistan in these 2 formats in these 4 places. And he is certainly in my plans for Worldcup 2019 in England as a 36 years old Right Arm Medium fast 6'3 seamer.

Well done Asif. From here on pick up your performances further and push the selectors and team management.


Sohail tanveer tried to become imran khan today by batting at number 3/4 today and Asif showed him the direction of dressing room quite well.
 
People forgeting that Asif is playing List A matches not first class 4 days where the bowlers have whole day to work out the batsman.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those watching Salman Butt & Mohammad Asif's comebacks. Butt scored 30 & Asif took 2 for 34 as WAPDA beat Rawalpindi by 5 wkts <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/688368406765109248">January 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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#GreenRoars said:
16th Jan, 2016

Muhammad Asif 2-34

Salman Butt 30, 4x4s, 53 balls
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By the looks of the scoreline it seem this match was a low scoring one. Was the pitch difficult as relative to what we usually see during List-A domestic games ?? [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]
 
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ahmedwaqas92 said:
By the looks of the scoreline it seem this match was a low scoring one. Was the pitch difficult as relative to what we usually see during List-A domestic games ?? [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]
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[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] can give better idea about the pitch.
 
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] I think there's no doubt that Pakistan have NO new ball bowler (or skilled bowler) at the level of Asif to pair with Amir. There's just no question on his skill.

BUT i think there's no chance he ever plays for national team again.

And I should add, this whole thread just makes me angry at the trio for what we lost with their actions. Asif and Amir for five years? An actual decent opener anchoring the batting for 5 years? How depressing to think of it.
 
Asif is a test bowler .. no point on judging him in one day performances
 
Tomorrow WAPDA take on HBL. It will be a good test for Asif as HBL have some decent batsman eg Imran Farhat (Lord at Domestic), Nauman Anwar etc but their bowling line up is mediocre so this should be a chance for Salman Butt to get some runs.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those interested in the comebacks of Mohammad Asif & Salman Butt. Today, Asif 2 for 31 & Salman Butt 81* for WAPDA against HBL <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/689089790709477377">January 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Butt is trying too hard and hurting his team in the process. 81 off 129 deliveries is a poor, selfish showing, unless it was a tough pitch and WAPDA were going to be bowled out.

Does he still have the ability to up the tempo?
 
Bilal7 said:
Butt is trying too hard and hurting his team in the process. 81 off 129 deliveries is a poor, selfish showing, unless it was a tough pitch and WAPDA were going to be bowled out.

Does he still have the ability to up the tempo?
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WAPDA were chasing 170 and 3/30 at one stage; Butt 81 off 129 deliveries is a match winning knock.
 
Looking forward to reading [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] bhai's analysis of Butt's match winning innings.
 
Asif continues to impress, great bowling again.
As always, bowling like a Don.
 
BDwarriors said:
As usual asif taking early wickets. Great.
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Looks like he is extracting some movement with new ball. One was Ibw and other catch behind. This is what he is known for taking early wickets. I remember Rashid Latif saying that Asif was the best new ball bowler he has ever seen, even better than Wasim and Waqar.
 
Idrees1990 said:
Looks like he is extracting some movement with new ball. One was Ibw and other catch behind. This is what he is known for taking early wickets. I remember Rashid Latif saying that Asif was the best new ball bowler he has ever seen, even better than Wasim and Waqar.
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In other matches he took early wicket too. Thats why i look at scoreboard to see is he taking tailenders wixket or opener. 2 early wicket is same as 5 tailenders wicket.
 
Another noticeable performance is of Nauman Anwar, I believe,

Why? because, Asif was bowling nearly perfect with the new ball, and yield an opener and # 3. This means that Nauman survived against some good quality of bowling and scored 47 with SR of 85.

This guy should be inducted into T20 after T20 WC.

Another good game for both Butt and Asif!
 
Gabbar Singh said:
Looking forward to reading [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] bhai's analysis of Butt's match winning innings.
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Obviously I haven't watched any of these matches, but....

SALMAN BUTT 2016 COMEBACK

Matches: 5
Innings: 5
Not out: 2
Runs Scored 351
Hundreds: 1
Fifties: 2

AVERAGE: 117.00
 
Junaids said:
Obviously I haven't watched any of these matches, but....

SALMAN BUTT 2016 COMEBACK

Matches: 5
Innings: 5
Not out: 2
Runs Scored 351
Hundreds: 1
Fifties: 2

AVERAGE: 117.00
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Meh, just 18 above Don's test average. If it had been like 100 above that mark, now that would have been interesting.
 
So far Butt's and Asif's performances have been really good, Butt in particular seems to have not lost out on fitness and form which is great.

I understand there is no way these two can be rushed into the team like Aamer, but in the longer run, say in a year's time, if they keep doing well then surely both should be considered for national selection, esp Salman Butt if Pakistan continues to struggle with the opening combination.

I was also thinking a little far, what are the chances that if selected Salman Butt and Mohammed Asif can get UK visas for Champions trophy in 2017? That will be more than 5 years since their conviction in 2011/12, will they still face problems?
 
Salman Butt on a role! :)) I must say, didn't expect him to be scoring runs at this rate having just made the return; in fact expected Asif to be outperforming him. While Asif has been solid so far and pretty good with the new ball, Butt has been brilliant; remains to be seen if they can maintain these performances.
 
Junaids said:
Obviously I haven't watched any of these matches, but....

SALMAN BUTT 2016 COMEBACK

Matches: 5
Innings: 5
Not out: 2
Runs Scored 351
Hundreds: 1
Fifties: 2

AVERAGE: 117.00
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awwww, Junaids conveniently left out the S/R
The S/R thus far is 73.27.
 
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shaz619 said:
Salman Butt on a role! :)) I must say, didn't expect him to be scoring runs at this rate having just made the return; in fact expected Asif to be outperforming him. While Asif has been solid so far and pretty good with the new ball, Butt has been brilliant; remains to be seen if they can maintain these performances.
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Actually it also gives us a good idea what kind of mooks playing cricket in the domestic.
 
Shhh! Shaz619, I was hoping nobody would notice about the strike rate!
 
His team were 28-3 today so had to be slow.

Saying that; he's not better than anyone we have already.
 
shaz619 said:
Salman Butt on a role! :)) I must say, didn't expect him to be scoring runs at this rate having just made the return; in fact expected Asif to be outperforming him. While Asif has been solid so far and pretty good with the new ball, Butt has been brilliant; remains to be seen if they can maintain these performances.
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we need him over Shehzad
 
dashing_man said:
we need him over Shehzad
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Why is everyone against the idea of Shehzad even in the Test Squad? they want him dropped from Tests based on the fact that they expect him to struggle overseas. Firstly, which vivian richards do we have that won't? and secondly why should he be dropped when his record at the test level thus far has been pretty good. Salman Butt as an individual talent is obviously better then Hafeez and Shehzad, but he has only just returned and lets assume the selectors want him for England and he performs like a beast in the few FC games he gets to play, getting a visa won't be easy
 
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shaz619 said:
Why is everyone against the idea of Shehzad even in the Test Squad? they want him dropped from Tests based on the fact that they expect him to struggle overseas. Firstly, which vivian richards do we have that won't? and secondly why should he be dropped when his record at the test level thus far has been pretty good. Salman Butt as an individual talent is obviously better then Hafeez and Shehzad, but he has only just returned and lets assume the selectors want him for England, getting a visa won't be easy
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not Test, only ODs and T20s
 
Pakpak said:
His team were 28-3 today so had to be slow.

Saying that; he's not better than anyone we have already.
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Did Hafeez and Shehzad score hundreds against the greatest bowling attack in international cricket at the Test Level?
 
Good to see both players finding form since there return. If both players keep making runs and taking wickets respectively come 6/12 months down line selectors will find it hard not to pick either player.
 
shaz619 said:
I agree with that, he needs to sort himself out in those formats; have no idea what's in his mind playing all those dots.
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and yet some people defend him in those formats :facepalm:

a 0 (5) to 15 (10) as an opener disturbs the tone for the rest of the innings. Openers in T20 are meant to be explosive but people think its still 80s where its wajib to play innings of 36 (250) and get called a good batsman
 
dashing_man said:
and yet some people defend him in those formats :facepalm:

a 0 (5) to 15 (10) as an opener disturbs the tone for the rest of the innings. Openers in T20 are meant to be explosive but people think its still 80s where its wajib to play innings of 36 (250) and get called a good batsman
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Worst thing is he won;t be dropped.
 
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Amjid Javed said:
Good to see both players finding form since there return. If both players keep making runs and taking wickets respectively come 6/12 months down line selectors will find it hard not to pick either player.
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Problem is, the biggest year in Pakistan's history is 2016: ten Tests in England, New Zealand and Australia.

If Pakistan is competitive it will be offered lucrative future tours. If Pakistan bombs then international cricket is basically over, as it already is for the West Indies and Sri Lanka.

The anti-Butt, anti-Asif lobby don't seem to realise that they are needed in 2016, not 2017 or beyond.
 
Junaids said:
Problem is, the biggest year in Pakistan's history is 2016: ten Tests in England, New Zealand and Australia.

If Pakistan is competitive it will be offered lucrative future tours. If Pakistan bombs then international cricket is basically over, as it already is for the West Indies and Sri Lanka.

The anti-Butt, anti-Asif lobby don't seem to realise that they are needed in 2016, not 2017 or beyond.
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When things don't go well in England and possibly in New Zealand to (while Asif and Butt continue to perform well during this time) there will be pressure on the PCB to select the duo for the tour of Australia. The tours for the limited overs leg are always going to be lucrative, huge fan base here as you know but no Brit Paksitani will show up for the tests besides me :))) it's really awkward being around a gang of white snobs at first and then it gets even weirder when they give the opposition credit when it's earned; something I rarely do for teams other then Pakistan and England.

Then there's the visa issue, anyway at best Butt and Asif can return for the Australia tour. But who knows what are PCB's intentions deep down...
 
Junaids said:
Problem is, the biggest year in Pakistan's history is 2016: ten Tests in England, New Zealand and Australia.

If Pakistan is competitive it will be offered lucrative future tours. If Pakistan bombs then international cricket is basically over, as it already is for the West Indies and Sri Lanka.

The anti-Butt, anti-Asif lobby don't seem to realise that they are needed in 2016, not 2017 or beyond.
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You are spot on, Pakistan cannot afford to wait for 12 months... If we have being playing in UAE, it would have being different story.

It's not easy for bowlers to adjust to those conditions, experience is vital asset, trio has it, others don't... I remember back in 2005/6 Pakistan lost first test badly, shipped injured Akthar on next flight, he and Asif bowled out SA on 125 to set the match, he couldn't bowl in second innings, Asif alone took care of them and we won the test... Same thing will happen this year.

You are very right on business angle, western crowd don't want another WI and SL tour


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The calls for Asif might get stronger, though.

Personally, I don't want either of them back.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
The calls for Asif might get stronger, though.

Personally, I don't want either of them back.
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I understand your principled stand, but respectfully point out that Pakistan's Test and ODI performances in 2016 will determine what future, if any, the country has in international cricket.

I listened with curiosity to the New Zealand Radio Sport coverage of the first T20. The repeated message was "at last some proper cricket: these (Pakistani) tourists can bat and bowl" - in other words Sri Lanka couldn't.

Sri Lanka and the West Indies don't get invited on lucrative tours any more. They get the death month of May in England - overlapping with IPL - whereas this year Pakistan is the Main Event, with the July to September tour during the school holidays. The PCB will probably be paid in excess of £3 million for their tour.

Invitations to England and Australia are based firstly on money - are you India? - and then on whether the cricket will be exciting enough for Sky and Channel Nine to get good ratings.

And even though T20 and ODI and Night Tests get the ratings - prime time scheduling of course - it is the Tests that the crickey boards gauge the visitors by. The West Indies recent horror showings in Australia certainly relegated them from future consideration.

West Indies and Sri Lanka are now not just outside the Big Three, in scheduling and tour revenue terms this season has condemned them to relegation into the Small Four with Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

If Pakistan pick under-strength teams for "moral reasons" on the Test tours to England, NZ and Australia in 2016 what will actually happen is that they will lose badly and join Sri Lanka and the West Indies and Bangladesh and Zimbabwe in the Sidelined Five.

This is the year that decides whether Pakistan has a future as a cricketing nation.
 
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Junaids said:
I understand your principled stand, but respectfully point out that Pakistan's Test and ODI performances in 2016 will determine what future, if any, the country has in international cricket.

I listened with curiosity to the New Zealand Radio Sport coverage of the first T20. The repeated message was "at last some proper cricket: these (Pakistani) tourists can bat and bowl" - in other words Sri Lanka couldn't.

Sri Lanka and the West Indies don't get invited on lucrative tours any more. They get the death month of May in England - overlapping with IPL - whereas this year Pakistan is the Main Event, with the July to September tour during the school holidays. The PCB will probably be paid in excess of £3 million for their tour.

Invitations to England and Australia are based firstly on money - are you India? - and then on whether the cricket will be exciting enough for Sky and Channel Nine to get good ratings.

And even though T20 and ODI and Night Tests get the ratings - prime time scheduling of course - it is the Tests that the crickey boards gauge the visitors by. The West Indies recent horror showings in Australia certainly relegated them from future consideration.

West Indies and Sri Lanka are now not just outside the Big Three, in scheduling and tour revenue terms this season has condemned them to relegation into the Small Four with Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

If Pakistan pick under-strength teams for "moral reasons" on the Test tours to England, NZ and Australia in 2016 what will actually happen is that they will lose badly and join Sri Lanka and the West Indies and Bangladesh and Zimbabwe in the Sidelined Five.

This is the year that decides whether Pakistan has a future as a cricketing nation.
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Why are you so sure of that Pakistani team will perform so bad in overseas conditions?

Was Pakistan best team when these two were playing?

What would be creditability of Team when person who sold their country again are in team?

Would it not send signal to player that they can comprise game but PCB will back them because they can perform.

Pcb should have life banned these player in 2010 when spot fixing scandal' evidence were surfaced.
 
Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif performance in National One Day Cup [Update Pos...

I have been watching cricket for over 40 years.

Old batsmen lose their reflexes. It doesn't get exposed in the UAE, but in England, NZ and Australia the combination of those bowlers and those pitches will smash Hafeez, the previously excellent Younis and Misbah will be demolished. Even in the UAE of late both Misbah and Younis have been out of their depth against the second new ball.

Lastly, your life ban comments about the spot fixers are misinformed.

The ICC had jurisdiction, not the PCB and their tribunal (led by the senior QC Michael Beloff who has just humiliated athletics' IAAF) explained in great detail why only five years was a suitable ban. But moreover, then informed the PCB that any attempt to shorten OR lengthen the ban would result in Pakistan itself being suspended.

I believe that in 2010, with Yousuf in decline, Salman Butt was the second best Pakistan batsman behind the unofficially banned Younis Khan.

But I have watched Younis age and lose his reflexes and footwork, and the best batsmen to emerge have been Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq who are peers of Salman Butt - who were never as good as him.

I am well aware that Salman Butt used to be a minor criminal. But I'm also aware that with the add-related decline of Younis and Misbah and Hafeez - which will only be visible outside Asia - Salman Butt is probably now your only international class batsman.
 
Purely from entertainment perspective, I would love to see Asif back. ;I still remember the 2 consecutive balls he bowled to Laxman in that Karachi test. Pure MAGIC!
 
National OneDayCup top scorer after round 5. Kamran Akmal (NBP) 381 Salman Butt (WAPDA) 351 Akbar ur Rehman (NBP) 303

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National OneDayCup top wicket taker after round 5. Usman Khalid (WAPDA) 17 Sadaf Hussain (KRL) 15 Muhammad Bilawal 14

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Salman Butt has continued his impressive form in the National One-day cup. He scored 95 today for WAPDA against NBP <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/689802766257111040">January 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Salman Butt has continued his impressive form in the National One-day cup. He scored 95 today for WAPDA against NBP <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/689802766257111040">January 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Butt really has grabbed his opportunity with both hands.
 
WAPDA lost by 5 wkts to NBP today.
Asif: 6-1-24-1
Butt: 95 off 146 balls
 
Asif was impressive as usual, don't know why he didn't bowl his full 10 overs.

Butt's S/R is alarmingly low, it was a low scoring match though.
 
:)) what pitches do these guys bat on. Would be nice if the games were televised.
 
Salman Butt since return:
135 off 143 SR 94.4
99 off 144 SR 68.75
6 off 10 SR 60.0
30 off 53 SR 56.6
81 off 129 SR 62.79
95 off 146 SR 65.06

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