Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif performance in domestic cricket after their return

[Junaids]

These days I am extremely busy due to work and other stuff, bro can you tell me how's his fitness ?? I mean if hypothetically we take him to NZ and Aus can he bowl 25 overs an innings ?? Remember the pitches in Australia are super flat these days and there is not much lateral movement to begin with....

Given his lanky frame would he be able to sustain the work load since team Misbah has this grind mentality in test matches in down under the workload for pacers would be more than the spinners.

Would also like [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] insights on how the pitches might play out this summer in Australia. What is the expected nature of the tracks for each venue..

Brisbane is a Day/Night Test on pretty much a certain greentop. Every innings should be over in around 50-60 overs and I doubt that either team will score more than 220 in an innings. There will be no spin and no reverse swing.

At Brisbane the key bowler was always going to be Asif or failing that Ehsan Adil. Josh Hazelwood is similar and was almost unplayable at the Adelaide Day/Night Test.

Melbourne will be hard. Scores will be higher and there may not be any reverse swing. I'd be tempted to recall Mohammad Irfan as a one-off there, as extra height might help.

Sydney will allow more swing, reverse and spin, but won't have much grass.

I'd be looking at Amir, Asif and Yasir playing all three, but rotating Rahat Ali and Wahab and maybe even Irfan as the third quick.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

These days I am extremely busy due to work and other stuff, bro can you tell me how's his fitness ?? I mean if hypothetically we take him to NZ and Aus can he bowl 25 overs an innings ?? Remember the pitches in Australia are super flat these days and there is not much lateral movement to begin with....

Given his lanky frame would he be able to sustain the work load since team Misbah has this grind mentality in test matches in down under the workload for pacers would be more than the spinners.

Would also like [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] insights on how the pitches might play out this summer in Australia. What is the expected nature of the tracks for each venue..

He weighs exactly the same as 6 years ago. He was getting back to his best match fitness but got an Injury during practice sessions of QEA because of which he missed first two matches.

Now He needs 2-3 more Fc matches to be at his max match fitness levels.

In last Fc match he bowled 21 overs in his first spell.

Yesterday he bowled 6 overs in first spell of 2nd innings unchanged until stumps.


We do not have any pacer in Pakistan who is better than Asif on Flat wickets.


Even if Asif does not go with the remaining players for NZ he can join the Team in Australia. By than He would have 6-7 Fc matches under his Belt.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Somebody please Post the 2nd video which took the Legstump.

I have seen that on twitter but it isn't on youtube yet.

 

[LordJames]

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[The King of Kings]

Get him in the side already. Does anyone remember what he did last time he played a Test in Australia

 

[JibranAnsari]

Get him in the side already. Does anyone remember what he did last time he played a Test in Australia

We also remember what aamir did when he had last played a test in england but nothing like that happened in the 4 tests this time around.

 

[The King of Kings]

We also remember what aamir did when he had last played a test in england but nothing like that happened in the 4 tests this time around.

then you should also remember what Anderson did last he played against Pakistan in England but nothing like that happened this around

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Delaying Asif's rehab and entry into domestic cricket is costing Pakistan massively.

He could have helped us win 1 more test in England matching Chris Woakes. Would have been a Series win.

Here we are missing him with the new ball.

CS must understand that our main issue is New Ball bowling.

Let Amir, Wahab & Yasir dislodge the tail and let Asif dislodge top batsman of the opposing Teams as like previous and what exactly he is doing in Fc Cricket this year.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Salman Butt has just scored twin centuries in QEA final.

Wapda has only qualified for Final of Premier Fc tournament twice and once under Salman that too in his first Fc season as captain for them and in domestic cricket.


As a Captain he must have been doing something right I guess.


Comeback to Test squad of 16-17 is looming around.

 

[Mamoon]

Butt has always been a quality captain. All the captaincy records Misbah has today would have been in Butt's name had he not thrown it away.

He is still 32 only. Could have captained from 2010 to 2020.

 

[Junaids]

This has been a stupendous performance by Butt.

He needed to bat through this innings, or very close, to secure a draw and the QEA trophy.

The wicket is dead, but it's an awesome show of concentration and mental strength.

Now he has batted for 91 overs and there are only 35 left.

And he has scored his second century of the match.

And after 170.5 overs, still no bowler has got him out in this match.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

This would be an exceptional Fc comeback if Wapda wins QEA.

Wapda have never won QEA in 69 years.

 

[Speedster777]

And Wapda has clinched victory!!

 

[Speedster777]

This would be an exceptional Fc comeback if Wapda wins QEA.

Wapda have never won QEA in 69 years.

They made history today. Salman and Asif have played critical role in Wapda's victory. These are the type of players we lack in our national squad who don't wilt under pressure.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

They made history today. Salman and Asif have played critical role in Wapda's victory. These are the type of players we lack in our national squad who don't wilt under pressure.

If you asked me 3 months ago whether Wapda will make the final or win it I would have said it's out of the fantasy world its real world brother.

But wow they made it happen.

Great accomplishment.

 

[abughio]

I dont think so.. salman butt will make a comeback as AA and Sami doing fine job.. if they will revert AA to 3 and babar 4,5 ..,6 Asad then it is possible..but I guess it is all fine we just need allrounder at 6...7 keeper/bat. only then our team will be fine.. else there will be discussion of bowlers fitness and bla bla

Asif.. I am his fan. so, my opinion will be always tilted towards him. so no comment on him

 

[Markhor]

Salman Butt in his latest match in the Departmental One Day Cup scores 73 off 114 balls at a pathetic SR of 64 vs PIA. That's against the mighty new ball pairing of Anwar Ali and Aizaz Cheema.

Taking selfishness to a new level.

In the end WAPDA posted 219-7 in their 50 overs as if its 1980 all over again. Needless to say it was easily chased down by PIA.

 

[Rayyman]

Salman Butt in his latest match in the Departmental One Day Cup scores 73 off 114 balls at a pathetic SR of 64 vs PIA. That's against the mighty new ball pairing of Anwar Ali and Aizaz Cheema.

Taking selfishness to a new level.

In the end WAPDA posted 219-7 in their 50 overs as if its 1980 all over again. Needless to say it was easily chased down by PIA.

But but he has a good offside game and has an ATG record in Australia.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

But but he has a good offside game and has an ATG record in Australia.

With a SR of 70 in his last 10 List A matches his Odi career is surely over. He is unable to come out of 90's style and I don't see it improving.


Any chance would be limited to Test Cricket provided he is preferred over youngsters.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

With a SR of 70 in his last 10 List A matches his Odi career is surely over. He is unable to come out of 90's style and I don't see it improving.


Any chance would be limited to Test Cricket provided he is preferred over youngsters.

So basically on older version of Shehzad.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

So basically on older version of Shehzad.

Yes indeed.

 

[Savak]

So looks like the PCB have made it clear to Asif and Butt that their days are numbered.

Asif has shown absolutely zero drive and interest to make a comeback, i don't think he has it anymore to be honest.

Last interview i saw of Butt, he was already showing frustration where he even took it out on Amir and said he was not as naive or innocent in the whole episode, then why has he been given a chance but not me.

 

[Khwaja]

I think Salman Butt would be great opener pair with Azhar Ali... one player hasn't played since 2010, the latter has being playing since 2010..

 

[Chief Destroyer]

It's over for them. Even on merit, there are many youngsters ahead of them.

 

[aukhan]

The end. Inshallah

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

It all depends on them.


On Merit for Next Test Series Azhar & Sami Aslam should Open for Pakistan and Salman Butt should be the 3rd opener on Bench. Ahmed Shehzad & Shan Masood need to be dropped on merit.


People take digs at Salman Butt's Test numbers without any perspective. When He played He out numbered Imran Farhat, , Mohammad Hafeez & Yasir Hameed on tough Test tours. Only Toufeeq was ahead of him and He lost his place in the side due to knee injury.


If Salman played post 2010 He would surely be averaging 45 plus in Test Cricket. Even Hafeez who was may behind averages 40 in Test Cricket. Salman played more than 40 % of his Tests in difficult batting conditions. At Age of only 25 He averaged 30 plus as Opener and was improving.


He is Super Fit (more fit than Malik) and no FC opener is more hungry than him. Not even my favourites. He scored twin cenruries in QEA final as Captain & Won his 1st ever FC tournament as Captain something no other skipper has managed ever.

I believe He has paid heavily for his Sins/Crime. Got severely punished and like Amir he deserves a chance on Merit. Rules should be same for all.



As far as Asif is concerned He too can make it provided he works on his fitness. If he is fully fit (weight & injuries not a concern for him) than Surely He will be amongst Top 3 wicket takers at Age 34 in next QEA.


In QEA final prior to food poisoning episode Asif almost made Imam ul Haq & Fakhar Zaman cry infront of him. They were bamboozled & stunned and got embarassed at their short stay at the Crease. In Urdu we say " Chatti ka Doodh Yaad kera diya tha " 33 years old Asif ne.


I want to see M Asif bowl for Pakistan along with Amir in Pak Test tours of SL, ENG & SA.


Asif should keep reminding himself that McGrath 37, Walsh 39 and Hadlee played Test Cricket until the age of 40. He should not give up Cricket for atleast next 2 seasons and should say No to all Coaching Offers. He can become Coach Later On.


For Asif too I believe He got heavily punished and that's enough. Inzamam just needs to tell him that I will pick you sutely if you improve your fitness. Running, Swimming, Gym with good eating drinking habits required for 6 weeks. Off season he was supposed to work on his fitness at NCA. Don't know whether He is training or staying at home.

 

[Sirris]

I think Salman Butt would be great opener pair with Azhar Ali... one player hasn't played since 2010, the latter has being playing since 2010..

Good analysis.

Like matter and anti matter. When combined you get a lethal combination.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

With young players now slowly starting to show promise, some still want to see 'has been' fixers back in the side.

Just goes to show the mentality found in 90% Pakistanis around the world and not just in Pakistan.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

With young players now slowly starting to show promise, some still want to see 'has been' fixers back in the side.

Just goes to show the mentality found in 90% Pakistanis around the world and not just in Pakistan.

One should try to uphold his/her religious, moral & national values in his/her professional life. One Should try to stay away from all sort of Corruptions in Life.

But those people who did corruption do not need to be abandoned. They (who got punished) need a chance after they got heavily punished. In Sports based on merit/performance.


If you want to set an example than Set it from Now onwards. Life Ban Match Fixers/Spot Fixers/Fancy Fixers from now On after making a change in PCB Code of Conduct/Rules. But don't punish players who have already been punished.


In Islam if the Constitution of a Country is Sharia and the Head of State is a Caliph than if a person commits Adultery and there are 4 witnesses than his her punishment is lashing for a certain number of times. But there arw those who would say No kill the person (adulterers) and that too by stonning to death and will present even some weak narrations which are all Anti Quran.


In the same way here we have cases of Asif & Salman. They were the first Cricketers to be Jailed and got banned for 5 years as per Rules/Laws and suffered heavily financially aswell. Now there is no justification to seal their professional career. For me it's Unjust and punishing people over and over needlessly. I do not want to start with Ex Shooper Stars who were fined few thousand rupees when thw cases were of Match Fixing (bigger Crime than Spot fixing) and Malik Qayuum's report is public. ScapeGoat Atta ur Rehman's book is around the corner aswell.


Salman & Asif should be cleared for International Selection just like Mohammad Amir and the only criteria for selection should be fitness & domestic performance.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

I am sure this is for me too

 

[Sirris]

I am sure this is for me too

Seriously forget about Butt sahab. Enjoy the the trophy win and get over your heart break

 

[shaz619]

I am sure this is for me too

No, we both are fans of Asif but will take solace from the fact that there are adequate replacements which we can work with inshaAllah. But Junaids no doubt needs some comfort

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

No, we both are fans of Asif but will take solace from the fact that there are adequate replacements which we can work with inshaAllah. But Junaids no doubt needs some comfort

Junaids has given up on noth Salman & Asif.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Seriously forget about Butt sahab. Enjoy the the trophy win and get over your heart break

For Butt it's just a matter of merit and not heart break for me. Personally I favour 3-4 other young Openers who are all more dynamic & exciting. But Butt sahab deserves it on merit currently.

 

[Sirris]

For Butt it's just a matter of merit and not heart break for me. Personally I favour 3-4 other young Openers who are all more dynamic & exciting. But Butt sahab deserves it on merit currently.

Whether he deserves it on merit or not is debatable. My definition of merit regarding players who have had plenty of international exposure isn't the same for a newbie who has only been exposed to our domestic cricket.

For example last domestic session Kamran scored a 1000 runs but I still thought he doesn't merits a place in the team. When you have played international cricket for so long and have played top class international bowlers on different conditions, no matter how average your outing has been, you'd still perform in the domestic. It's a no brainer.

Just like if you fail your college exams this doesn't mean if you were to go back to the sixth grade you'd have a tough time.

For you on merit butt might deserve a recall, for me he doesn't deserve it even if he is a top domestic performer. Because for him the Bar has to be set way higher, especially considering he is 37 now. He must bring something extra on the table than most runs to demand a selection.

And even if I were to agree with you that he deserves it on merit I won't be all too bothered if this time we ignore the merit and go for a youngster instead of butt sahab.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Whether he deserves it on merit or not is debatable. My definition of merit regarding players who have had plenty of international exposure isn't the same for a newbie who has only been exposed to our domestic cricket.

For example last domestic session Kamran scored a 1000 runs but I still thought he doesn't merits a place in the team. When you have played international cricket for so long and have played top class international bowlers on different conditions, no matter how average your outing has been, you'd still perform in the domestic. It's a no brainer.

Just like if you fail your college exams this doesn't mean if you were to go back to the sixth grade you'd have a tough time.

For you on merit butt might deserve a recall, for me he doesn't deserve it even if he is a top domestic performer. Because for him the Bar has to be set way higher, especially considering he is 37 now. He must bring something extra on the table than most runs to demand a selection.

And even if I were to agree with you that he deserves it on merit I won't be all too bothered if this time we ignore the merit and go for a youngster instead of butt sahab.

First of all Salman Butt is under the umbrella of PCB since He was 13-14 years old so there was absolutely No need for him to fudge his age as a Kid.

I don't know how and why you believe that He is 37 years old when He is 32 years old actually ?


Secondly If you as Captain of Wapda take your team to Wapda and win ChampionShip for your team by scoring hundreds in both innings than what else you need to bring to the table ?


Clearly Ahmed Shehzad & Shan Masood were preferred over him for non cricketing reasons and nothing else neither age nor performance nor fitness.


For Me Sami Aslam & Azhar Ali need to open for Pakistan. They are fine opening pair. Salman should sit on bench and wait for an injury to other openers or should make thw team if say Sami fails for 3-4 Tests.


I believe dropping Sami Aslam was a horrible move and it needs immediate correction.

 

[Sirris]

37 was a mistake.

Yes Sami Aslam should be given a proper run. Shan Massod's selection is a disgrace.

 

[Greenstorm]

Salman Butt is playing as wicket keeper batsman in ongoing ramzan cups.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Salman Butt is playing as wicket keeper batsman in ongoing ramzan cups.

Hahahaha.

" Noubatt Ba Een Raseed "

 

[Hasan123]

Mohammad Asif won't play for Pakistan again. Salman Butt has a 50/50 chance.

 

[mak36]

I sincerely hope Salman Butt never plays for Pakistan again.

 

[cricfan967]

So looks like the PCB have made it clear to Asif and Butt that their days are numbered.

Asif has shown absolutely zero drive and interest to make a comeback, i don't think he has it anymore to be honest.

Last interview i saw of Butt, he was already showing frustration where he even took it out on Amir and said he was not as naive or innocent in the whole episode, then why has he been given a chance but not me.

Fair point on the Amir bit, but as we've seen in past years with certain ex-cricketers... exceptional talent tends to find its way around the circumstances.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

No central contracts for the duo, are their chances of an international recall dead and buried?

 

[ExplicitAI]

Lol here was me hoping for a Mohammed Asif comeback but given the recent success of Hasan Ali who's more younger, it looks like it's curtains for Asif.

 

[BDwarriors]

Lol here was me hoping for a Mohammed Asif comeback but given the recent success of Hasan Ali who's more younger, it looks like it's curtains for Asif.

He will never match asifs class. Asif is a must for 2018 england series.

 

[gazza619]

For Butt it's just a matter of merit and not heart break for me. Personally I favour 3-4 other young Openers who are all more dynamic & exciting. But Butt sahab deserves it on merit currently.

the thing about Butt is that he wasn't setting world on fire with his batting during his playing days. also he was captain and lead man out of the fixing trio. Makes his case weak though, don't u think?

 

[Ahson8]

He will never match asifs class. Asif is a must for 2018 england series.

While we're at it, let's also recall Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis & Shoaib Akhtar because surely our current pacers can't match their class

 

[Mirpur express]

Don't need butt as for Asif a magician no doubt but he has totally lost the drive & motivation.. ps he is seriously rich, set for life... wonder how..

 

[Speedster777]

Hassan Ali is not a patch on Asif

 

[coy0607]

Asif is a folk hero around here. People don't even talk about Wasim Akram the way they talk about Asif

He was good no doubt, but he never had sustained success

And he was out because of his own actions when Pakistan needed him most. Now that we finally have a set of good pacers coming together, I would hate to disturb that and bring back a 35 year old

 

[pakistani pride]

Asif is a folk hero around here. People don't even talk about Wasim Akram the way they talk about Asif

He was good no doubt, but he never had sustained success

And he was out because of his own actions when Pakistan needed him most. Now that we finally have a set of good pacers coming together, I would hate to disturb that and bring back a 35 year old

He isnt coming back. So relax. He was all class thats why the guys who saw him play in 2006 talk like that about him.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Hassan is a better ODI bowler than Asif ever was. Let's not even compare their attitude, fielding, fitness and batting.

 

[coy0607]

He isnt coming back. So relax. He was all class thats why the guys who saw him play in 2006 talk like that about him.

I know hes not coming back, thats out of the realm of possibility

and I know he was class, I said as much.

but he has 106 test wickets, people talk about him like he has 500. He's not an ATG

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

the thing about Butt is that he wasn't setting world on fire with his batting during his playing days. also he was captain and lead man out of the fixing trio. Makes his case weak though, don't u think?

A lobby wanted to select Shan again so that he fails and Butt gets in. Let's see what happens ahead.


Butt is super fit & performing in FC. Butt's more than 60 % tests were against good bowling units on tough wickets hence his Test record is slightly above average. His FC average minus Tests is 50 plus (only 1 opener in last 15 years in Pak FC to have 50 plus FC average with 2000 + FC runs)