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Sanath Jayasuriya vs Kapil Dev - The better ODI all-rounder?

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I sincerely believe that Jayasuriya and Kapil are among the two of the greatest ODI all-rounders to have played the game. They pretty much fluked and won a World Cup on their own.

Statistics:-

Sanath Jayasuriya:-

Batting Avg:- 32 ,Strike Rate:- 91
Bowling average :- Avg 36.75

Kapil Dev:-

Bowling average:- 27.45
Batting average:- 23, Strike Rate:- 95

Who do you think is a better ODI all-rounder?
 
Jayasuriya was the better ODI all rounder. He could win matches single handed lay with the bat and also chip in with some important wickets.

Kapil was the better bowler, but a poor batsman so Sanah was superior overall.
 
Tough to pick but both are overrated in some ways or other.
 
Jayasura should open for AT ODI XI with Sachin he was that good.
 
MY AT ODI XI
Sachin
Jayasuria
Viv
Kohli
ABD
Dhoni
Imran (C)
Wasim
Mcgrath
Garner
Murali
 
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Jayasuriya averages 21 vs Australia and 24 vs South Africa with the bat. He made his whole career out by smashing Prasad, Agarkar, Prabhakar, Kuruville, Joshi and Kumble on those Asian pattas. Kapil was no great either.

I prefer more consistent batters, all-conditions and who are good against quality bowling attacks.
 
Jaysuriya was a massive contributor for SL cricket. But let's not over rate him. He was an extremely inconsistent batsman and more often than not struggled in difficult conditions and against better bowling attacks. Sure he has some great innings against Pakistan in the 90's, but I'm speaking about his over all career. This biggest strength was that he could be devastating on his day. As for his bowling, even Sachin has more than 150 wickets and Ganguly has more than 100 wickets in ODI cricket. You'll manage to pick up a good number of wickets in ODI cricket if you bowl regularly and play a huge number of matches.

Kapil too was a good ODI cricketer. He was a good bowler, but an average performer with the bat. Although he too was devastating on his day. But then again, an average 23 with the bat speaks volumes about his consistency.

Both were very good ODI players and contributed a lot to their respective teams. Maybe Jayasuriya contributed more than Kapil considering the number of matches he played. But I'd not consider any one of them great ODI cricketers. Their averages in their secondary discipline flatters to deceive.
 
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I saw all of both careers. Jayasuriya was a much more valuable player. Dev was a decent medium pacer and a slogger. JS was a opening bat who revolutionized ODIs and a canny SLA.
 
bujhee kom said:
I saw all of both careers. Jayasuriya was a much more valuable player. Dev was a decent medium pacer and a slogger. JS was a opening bat who revolutionized ODIs and a canny SLA.
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That I'll agree.
 
Kapil deffo played om a different era against better quality opposition and a genuine allrounder. Sanath a batsman who can bowl or a batting allrounder.
 
Ridiculous comparison

How can anyone compare these two, one was opener and other batted at 7&8 mostly, one was a spinner and other fast medium.

Both played in different eras.

How can you chose one among them?
 
Jayasuriya took a lot of wickets but he wasn’t a genuine all-rounder like Kapil. He was primiarly a destructive opening batsmen who was also an effective bowler.

As a spinner alone, he won’t get into many teams, if any. Kapil was a destructive batsman who can fit into any middle-lower order as an aggressor and was a world class bowler.

In fact, Kapil is arguably the greatest ODI all-rounder of all time in my view.
 
Mamoon said:
Jayasuriya took a lot of wickets but he wasn’t a genuine all-rounder like Kapil. He was primiarly a destructive opening batsmen who was also an effective bowler.

As a spinner alone, he won’t get into many teams, if any. Kapil was a destructive batsman who can fit into any middle-lower order as an aggressor and was a world class bowler.

In fact, Kapil is arguably the greatest ODI all-rounder of all time in my view.
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Did you see him play?
 
He is right. Kapil was ranked 1 all rounder (in ODIs) for a decade. Now you can question the rankings back then though
 
Mamoon said:
Jayasuriya took a lot of wickets but he wasn’t a genuine all-rounder like Kapil. He was primiarly a destructive opening batsmen who was also an effective bowler.

As a spinner alone, he won’t get into many teams, if any. Kapil was a destructive batsman who can fit into any middle-lower order as an aggressor and was a world class bowler.

In fact, Kapil is arguably the greatest ODI all-rounder of all time in my view.
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Average of 23 with the bat with 1 100, what a GOAT :)))
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Average of 23 with the bat with 1 100, what a GOAT :)))
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Jayasuriya changed opening as we know it, and was a very useful bowler. He was pivotal in Sri Lanka changing from minnow status to one of the top teams.

But [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] from Peshawar thinks he's overrated and Kapil who did nothing of note in his career in ODI's is better
 
InziRules said:
Jayasuriya changed opening as we know it, and was a very useful bowler. He was pivotal in Sri Lanka changing from minnow status to one of the top teams.

But [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] from Peshawar thinks he's overrated and Kapil who did nothing of note in his career in ODI's is better
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Oh bhai, who is calling Jayasuriya overrated? :facepalm:

You are new here so you are not familiar with my views on Jayasuriya. I consider him to be the second greatest ODI opener after Tendulkar, and one of the greatest match-winners of all time.

He revolutionized opening in ODIs and dismantled the greatest of bowlers. Averages may not reflect how good he was because he played very high risk cricket.

However, as an all-rounder I don’t rate him very highly and certainly not higher than Kapil. Jayasuriya was an effective bowler with many wickets but I won’t classify him as a genuine all-rounder.

He was an all-time great in his core skill (opening the batting in ODIs), but as an all-rounder he is not comparable to Kapil, Imran, Botham, Kallis, Klusener etc.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Average of 23 with the bat with 1 100, what a GOAT :)))
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He was an aggressor. He had a 90+ strike rate in a era where 70 was considered aggressive, and he was the top ranked ODI all-rounder throughout the 80s, in an era where cricket had four ATG all-rounders.

Statistics don’t do justice to how good Kapil was in ODIs.
 
Mamoon said:
He was an aggressor. He had a 90+ strike rate in a era where 70 was considered aggressive, and he was the top ranked ODI all-rounder throughout the 80s, in an era where cricket had four ATG all-rounders.

Statistics don’t do justice to how good Kapil was in ODIs.
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So Afridi is an ATG? Same average with a 100+ strike rate where 80 is considered aggressive
 
Canford Cliffs said:
He is right. Kapil was ranked 1 all rounder (in ODIs) for a decade. Now you can question the rankings back then though
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Rankings were conpletely meaningless in the 80s. There were far too few matches and almost zero competition for top players. Look at how hard it is for the modern batsmen to crack top 10 ODI batsmen rankings now. It gets exponentially higher to get high ratings as time passes.
 
Mamoon said:
He was an aggressor. He had a 90+ strike rate in a era where 70 was considered aggressive, and he was the top ranked ODI all-rounder throughout the 80s, in an era where cricket had four ATG all-rounders.

Statistics don’t do justice to how good Kapil was in ODIs.
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You never saw him play. You can only go my stats. He was average. Nothing special.
 
Mamoon said:
He was an aggressor. He had a 90+ strike rate in a era where 70 was considered aggressive, and he was the top ranked ODI all-rounder throughout the 80s, in an era where cricket had four ATG all-rounders.

Statistics don’t do justice to how good Kapil was in ODIs.
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Hence Afridi is a great bat with Kapil's average and 120 SR in an era where Pakistani batters struggle to get 80 :sendoff
 
bujhee kom said:
You never saw him play. You can only go my stats. He was average. Nothing special.
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Since I did not watch him play, I have formed my opinion based on what I have read about him.

My opinion has always been greatly influenced by people and posters who have watched him play - people whose opinions I value and respect.

Since you are not one of them, I am not interested in what you think of him and why you think he was average.
 
InziRules said:
So Afridi is an ATG? Same average with a 100+ strike rate where 80 is considered aggressive
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Adijazz1706 said:
Hence Afridi is a great bat with Kapil's average and 120 SR in an era where Pakistani batters struggle to get 80 :sendoff
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Afridi was a very effective hard hitting batsman. A player like him would have been gold for a strong team, but he was misused by Pakistan.

That 37 ball ton meant that people expected consistent, match winning knocks from him and he was promoted as opener. He was never good enough for that role.

As a bowler, he could run through lineups but he struggled against quality batting lineups throughout his career.

Because of his consistent failures against quality teams, he falls short of the league of ATG ODI all-rounders.
 
Mamoon said:
Since I did not watch him play, I have formed my opinion based on what I have read about him.

My opinion has always been greatly influenced by people and posters who have watched him play - people whose opinions I value and respect.

Since you are not one of them, I am not interested in what you think of him and why you think he was average.
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Correction: “also” not “always.”

I don’t care about the opinions of other people if I have watched a player.
 
Btw, for the benefit of [MENTION=147347]Canford Cliffs[/MENTION] and co, Kapil is an undisputed ATG in tests. Overall, in all formats, Jayasuriya isn't even a speck in front of him.

But in ODI's? Nope. Jayasuriya changed the entire art of opening.
 
InziRules said:
Btw, for the benefit of [MENTION=147347]Canford Cliffs[/MENTION] and co, Kapil is an undisputed ATG in tests. Overall, in all formats, Jayasuriya isn't even a speck in front of him.

But in ODI's? Nope. Jayasuriya changed the entire art of opening.
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Kapil the ODI player was better than Kapil the Test player. However, Jayasuriya definitely has a strong claim of being a better ODI cricketer than Kapil based on his strong suit.

As all-rounders, Kapil is comfortably better.

Btw, sorry for the multiple quotes. I am on my phone and forgot to uncheck your post.
 
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Kapil was a genuine all rounder. Jayasuriya was a batting all rounder.

I will vote for Kapil here.
 
Let’s be honest Jaya was no real all rounder More of a specialist bat who bowled a bit He wasn’t the primary spinner in the team but more of a 5th/6th bowling option

Yes he got wickets But when you play near 400 games and your a half decent bowler bowling 6/7 overs a game your going to pick up wickets esp in Odis with batsmen attacking and playing high risk cricket

His real bowling level is reflected in his test bowling where he’s picked up a wicket a game

kapil wins this hands down, jaya was a good batsmen who bowled a bit whilst Kapil was a good bowler and a decent batsman
 
Mamoon said:
Since I did not watch him play, I have formed my opinion based on what I have read about him.

My opinion has always been greatly influenced by people and posters who have watched him play - people whose opinions I value and respect.

Since you are not one of them, I am not interested in what you think of him and why you think he was average.
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Behind all that fluff is the core fact - you did not see him play so your opinion is worthless.
 
Sorry for bumping up the thread,
But some people seriously under rating Kapil's Odi batting.
He was the best Indian batsman of 80s. (in a team which included the names Vengsarkar, Azhar, Gavaskar, Srikanth.. Etc)
In fact
Kapil was the best batsman, best bowler and best fielder in the team for a 6 year period between 1984-1989.

In this period, he was a top 5 ish bowler
And top 10-15 batsman in the world according to the rankings.

28 avg at 100 sr is the aproximate stats for Kapil in that period.
 
^^ when i checked rankings for jan 1 every year from 1997 to 2015.

I checked his profile.. His highest ranking is 14.
So i was wrong, but the fact remains
 
Kapil was better .

Jayasuria was more impactfull on his day , more devastating with the bat , but too much inconsistent .
 
Jayasuria is far far ahead in batting.

Revolutionized how ODI batting is done! In particular opening. The father of modern ODI openings.

Dev is ahead in bowling. Cannot be compared in batting. Don't make that mistake.
 
Not this again. Kapil is nowhere near Jayasuriya as a ODI player. Jayasuriya literally changed the meaning of opening in ODIs. Kapil has no legacy except for 1 world cup.
 
Kapil easily. Jayasuriya was very effective but mostly made his career by thumping other Asian teams on Asian pitches, as a bowler he was a part timer in the league of Sachin.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Not this again. Kapil is nowhere near Jayasuriya as a ODI player. <B>Jayasuriya literally changed the meaning of opening in ODIs</B>. Kapil has no legacy except for 1 world cup.
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With a batting average of 22 and 24 against Australia and South Africa, lol.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Thats better than Kapil's career average.
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Of course, since we are comparing a bowling all-rounder with a batting all-rounder.

Jayasuriya made a career feasting of Prasad, Joshi, Agarkar on those flat SC wickets over a course of 90 ODIs. His average against Australia and SA explains us his story with the bat.
 
Kapil is a definite top 10 odi cricketer

For me he is 5th best
Behind
Akram
Sachin
Viv
And Dhoni

Jayasurya also an ATG

Top 10 Asians
Akram
Sachin
Dhoni
Kapil
Kohli
Jayasurya
Imran
Saqlain
Waqar
Murali / De silva / Anwar / Miandad
 
Procter sobers said:
Kapil is a definite top 10 odi cricketer

For me he is 5th best
Behind
Akram
Sachin
Viv
And Dhoni

Jayasurya also an ATG

Top 10 Asians
Akram
Sachin
Dhoni
Kapil
Kohli
Jayasurya
Imran
Saqlain
Waqar
Murali / De silva / Anwar / Miandad
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Murali is so low.
 
Kapil is the greatest LOI all rounder. Though Jayasuriya is a great in his own right. He is right up there among the most influential ODI cricketers of all time.
 
kapil in Odis, kumble in tests brought more influential wins for the team.
But, being a batsman-friendly nation, India never gave the top-rating that they give to Dhoni and Tendulkar.
 
Procter sobers said:
Kapil was number 1 ranked AR for straight 10yrs or so.
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You could be ranked in top for 10 years if there is no much competition. Rating trend is far better indicator when comparing across era. Having said that there was much greater competition for all rounders in 80s.
 
Ab Fan said:
Tough to pick but both are overrated in some ways or other.
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My sentiments exactly. I would go with Kapil because he was more of an all-rounder than Jayasuriya was but that is not saying much.
 
Procter sobers said:
Kapil continously ranked among top 10-15 batsmen in the world for a 6 years period. (Sometimes in top 10)


Afridi never been ranked inside top 20
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Do you know that these same ICC rankings metrics show that Javed Miandad at his best was a better ODI batsman than Sachin Tendulker? I would not put so much stock into this if I were you.
 
Bilal7 said:
Do you know that these same ICC rankings metrics show that Javed Miandad at his best was a better ODI batsman than Sachin Tendulker? I would not put so much stock into this if I were you.
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Javed had 15 successive games with better output than SRT's 15 successive games. It's fact and that's why Javed has higher peak rating.

Most important thing is how rating trend looks over entire career. It's even better if rating trend is for players playing in the same era.

Rating trends have context like relative contribution in each match, strength of opposition etc. Non-biased and objective.
 
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