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Sarfaraz Ahmed : Test Captaincy Watch

Pakhs said:
Well no give credit where its due! His got most things right in this test match so far. To start with played a correct team with an inclusion of an off spinner and then stayed patient when the big opening partnership was developing for Australia.
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When things go wrong, it's Sarfaraz's fault.

When things go well, he did nothing special.

:))) :)))
[MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]
 
Pakhs said:
Well no give credit where its due! His got most things right in this test match so far. To start with played a correct team with an inclusion of an off spinner and then stayed patient when the big opening partnership was developing for Australia.
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Yes he has done the correct things but I am not going to go overboard with praise after 1 game like some.

We should be beating this side and those who doing banghra were nowhere to be seen when Australia hadn't lost a wicket at lunch.
 
mak36 said:
When things go wrong, it's Sarfaraz's fault.

When things go well, he did nothing special.

:))) :)))
[MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]
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Bringing on off spinners against left handers. That is something revoluanriary now ?
 
mak36 said:
When things go wrong, it's Sarfaraz's fault.

When things go well, he did nothing special.

:))) :)))
[MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]
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First 2 pages of match thread were filled with micro analysis criticizing Sarfraz's every move. First they said why he didnt bowl 2 spinners after lunch and when Abbas took a wicket they said that atleast 1 spinner should bowl and how Sarfraz captaincy was poor. I was just laughing on how much Sarfraz has got on to their nerves. From 142 for 0 to 202 all out where we scored 482 and now 36 for 0, but Sarfraz captaincy was poor. Masha Allah sadqay jaoun! Its a good comedy relief.
 
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Hasan123 said:
Bringing on off spinners against left handers. That is something revoluanriary now ?
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Yeah right. Even depleted Sri Lankan team got stronger Austrlian side white washed and this team is playing three debutants. This is the most weakest Australian sides we have seen in years and these people are enjoying success of spinners against these players who can't even face BD spinners properly in Asia.

Runs on board and this Australian side will even lose to Afghanistan in these conditions.

It's just like Hafeez bashing Sri Lanka on these pitches we all know what will happen once better teams he faces.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
First 2 pages of match thread were filled with micro analysis criticizing Sarfraz's every move. First they said why he didnt bowl 2 spinners after lunch and when Abbas took a wicket they said that atleast 1 spinner should bowl and how Sarfraz captaincy was poor. I was just laughing on how much Sarfraz has got on to their nerves. From 142 for 0 to 202 all out where we scored 482 and now 36 for 0, but Sarfraz captaincy was poor. Masha Allah sadqay jaoun! Its a good comedy relief.
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Whatever captaincy talents Sarfraz had, was exposed in the Asia cup when he faced teams suited for these conditions. He is overhyped beyond limits by people like you. I wish he was half as good as you portray him.

What was his own performance? A selfish slow innings when we needed some quick runs due to less time and a lazy run out and missed stumping chance? At this rate even Zimbabwe have better wk batsman than this joker we have who does nothing but shouts at team mates.
 
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MRSN said:
Yeah right. Even depleted Sri Lankan team got stronger Austrlian side white washed and this team is playing three debutants. This is the most weakest Australian sides we have seen in years and these people are enjoying success of spinners against these players who can't even face BD spinners properly in Asia.

Runs on board and this Australian side will even lose to Afghanistan in these conditions.

It's just like Hafeez bashing Sri Lanka on these pitches we all know what will happen once better teams he faces.
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Last time, in 1st Test, AUS with Warner, Clarke & Smith conceded 570-6, then folded for 256, PAK again batted for 280-3 or something in like 50 overs & Misbah hit a 58 ball 100 - Aussies lost by 300+ margin. You have to understand that there are different set of standards for different Captain - which actually sums up the expectation as well :)
 
MRSN said:
Yeah right. Even depleted Sri Lankan team got stronger Austrlian side white washed and this team is playing three debutants. This is the most weakest Australian sides we have seen in years and these people are enjoying success of spinners against these players who can't even face BD spinners properly in Asia.

Runs on board and this Australian side will even lose to Afghanistan in these conditions.

It's just like Hafeez bashing Sri Lanka on these pitches we all know what will happen once better teams he faces.
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It's a weak Australian team . Sarfraz has gotten the simple things right by selecting spinners and bowling them. There's nothing revoluanriary about this captaincy display but when stuff like this is over hyped it tells you how rubbish his captaincy has been lately.
 
MRSN said:
Whatever captaincy talents Sarfraz had, was exposed in the Asia cup when he faced teams suited for these conditions. He is overhyped beyond limits by people like you. I wish he was half as good as you portray him.

What was his own performance? A selfish slow innings when we needed some quick runs due to less time and a lazy run out and missed stumping chance? At this rate even Zimbabwe have better wk batsman than this joker we have who does nothing but shouts at team mates.
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I dont over hype mediocre and shady players like Kamran Akmal like you and dont change my opinions jaisay girgit rang badalta hai. In larger picture, I have the same opinion on Sarfraz since i joined this forum and was proved right when he won us Champions Trophy despite we were no 8 in rankings and we had no hopes. I have never ever said he is some great keeper or some great batsman. I have always said appreciative things about his captaincy and still believe in it. Ganguly is the greatest Asian captain in last 20 years and one of the greatest of all time and he has seen what i and some other sane people saw.

Next time be careful while spreading lies and try to be consistent in your views. Koi deen emaan hota hai. People like you know only thing; to criticize players based on your agenda with no solution.
 
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He deserves credit for laying the trap which Finch eventually fell face-first into. It was an inspired tactical move and that is where the match began to turn in Pakistan's favor
 
"60 Runs for which Australia lost all their ten wickets after the openers had put on 142. The collapse is the third-worst for any side after a century opening stand. The two worst such collapses were India's 10 for 46 against England at Old Trafford in 1946, and New Zealand's 10 for 51 runs against Australia at Auckland in 1974."

But...but...
 
Brilliant changes from Sarfi once again but wait..... Sarfi is the worse captain No?:broad Bringing Haris and using the pace when needed. Wait once he comes out to bat and If not able to score the hate brigade will jump on him:ishant
 
He was awesome today i dearly hope he can find form with the bat too. His keeping is v.good since England tour, long may it continue.
 
Btw its the first time in 16 years Pakistan have bowled out an opposition below 200 in 3 consecutive innings. Last time it was done against Bangladesh in 2002.
 
Plumb said:
Brilliant changes from Sarfi once again but wait..... Sarfi is the worse captain No?:broad Bringing Haris and using the pace when needed. Wait once he comes out to bat and If not able to score the hate brigade will jump on him:ishant
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Come on yaar... don't you know Sarf is only responsible when we lose but when we win it is due to everything else apart from Sarf. :smith
 
MMHS said:
Last time, in 1st Test, AUS with Warner, Clarke & Smith conceded 570-6, then folded for 256, PAK again batted for 280-3 or something in like 50 overs & Misbah hit a 58 ball 100 - Aussies lost by 300+ margin. You have to understand that there are different set of standards for different Captain - which actually sums up the expectation as well :)
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He will be judged as harshly as Misbah and his predecessors was. He will be criticized for all his wrong moves, field setups, mess ups and inconsistent performances. Every time team loses, its the captain's fault, this isn't new and he is definitely not the first captain who will be blamed for every wrong thing that happens in the ground.
 
aukhan said:
He will be judged as harshly as Misbah and his predecessors was. He will be criticized for all his wrong moves, field setups, mess ups and inconsistent performances. Every time team loses, its the captain's fault, this isn't new and he is definitely not the first captain who will be blamed for every wrong thing that happens in the ground.
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But then have an iota of rationality and also credit him for wins. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
Syed1 said:
But then have an iota of rationality and also credit him for wins. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
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He gets praise when team wins. The credit of whole CT win is given to him. Don't expect him to get praises when he is contributing nothing with the bat. His predecessors got more stick even though their individual performance were not bad. All captains get the abuse. Some people need to accept his poor performances instead of coming up with thousands of excuses. The most funny excuse i have read recently is that he is our specialist WK so he shouldn't be held accountable for his batting.
 
aukhan said:
He gets praise when team wins. The credit of whole CT win is given to him. Don't expect him to get praises when he is contributing nothing with the bat. His predecessors got more stick even though their individual performance were not bad. All captains get the abuse. Some people need to accept his poor performances instead of coming up with thousands of excuses. The most funny excuse i have read recently is that he is our specialist WK so he shouldn't be held accountable for his batting.
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So if he performs with the bat does he get credit for it? He batted superbly in the last Aus Test.
 
Body language not great when things aren't going well which is not what you want from a skipper.
 
I thought the captaincy and keeping was great throughout the match. Field placings and bowling changes were excellent and kept things moving despite easy batting conditions on 3rd day..
 
It was Yasir spell which turned the game. Please don't make it to a Sarfraz tactical masterclass. Watling and Nicholls played well so I won't blame that spell on him but Yasir and Hasan Ali individually turned the game.
 
Hasan123 said:
It was Yasir spell which turned the game. Please don't make it to a Sarfraz tactical masterclass. Watling and Nicholls played well so I won't blame that spell on him but Yasir and Hasan Ali individually turned the game.
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Bhai when the bowlers were struggling then you were complaining how bad the captaincy is.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Let's talk specifics, if we really want to analyse something properly.

Field placements, bowling changes, tactics, etc.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Bhai when the bowlers were struggling then you were complaining how bad the captaincy is.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Let's talk specifics, if we really want to analyse something properly.

Field placements, bowling changes, tactics, etc.
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Yasir 3 dismissals that changed the game had nothing to do with captaincy anyway. 2 were LBWs and the other was a poor sweep from Nicholls.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Bhai when the bowlers were struggling then you were complaining how bad the captaincy is.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Let's talk specifics, if we really want to analyse something properly.

Field placements, bowling changes, tactics, etc.
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Just 1 other thing as well , if we dismissed NZ cheaply today the captaincy would have been praised to the hill..But when a big partnership happens or another team scores big , there is nothing wrong with the captaincy.

I don't understand that logic. I don't usually over analyse captaincy.
 
Hasan123 said:
Yasir 3 dismissals that changed the game had nothing to do with captaincy anyway. 2 were LBWs and the other was a poor sweep from Nicholls.
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Tbf Sarfaraz did persist with Yasir and had full faith in him even though he weren’t bowling that well at first. He also brought Hasan back to clean up the tail. Not saying he is amazing but his bowling changes were good at the end.
 
The Viper said:
Tbf Sarfaraz did persist with Yasir and had full faith in him even though he weren’t bowling that well at first. He also brought Hasan back to clean up the tail. Not saying he is amazing but his bowling changes were good at the end.
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I give him credit for sticking with Yasir but he doesn't have any faith in Bilal hence bowling Yasir so much . Misbah also over bowled Yasir.

Lol most of the praise for Sarfraz captaincy these days is "bowling changes". Abbas had bowled over a lot of overs today so if he wanted to bowl a seam bowler Hasan was the only choice.

Sarfraz isn't the worst captain but I just don't see him as a revolutionary tactican that he is portrayed as.
 
Hasan123 said:
I give him credit for sticking with Yasir but he doesn't have any faith in Bilal hence bowling Yasir so much . Misbah also over bowled Yasir.

Lol most of the praise for Sarfraz captaincy these days is "bowling changes". Abbas had bowled over a lot of overs today so if he wanted to bowl a seam bowler Hasan was the only choice.

Sarfraz isn't the worst captain but I just don't see him as a revolutionary tactican that he is portrayed as.
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He is no “revolutionary” but he did his job. Yes that partnership was threatening and could of got worse but luckily Yasir saved the day. That’s the thing about captaincy, how are you supposed to judge how well he did? Like [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] mentioned it is about field placements and bowling changes.

Don’t think there was much Sarfaraz could do on this specific occasion. You have to give some credit to the captain for persisting with a bowler. If you are critical when things are going bad, then you have to at least appreciate the positives.
 
The Viper said:
He is no “revolutionary” but he did his job. Yes that partnership was threatening and could of got worse but luckily Yasir saved the day. That’s the thing about captaincy, how are you supposed to judge how well he did? Like [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] mentioned it is about field placements and bowling changes.

Don’t think there was much Sarfaraz could do on this specific occasion. You have to give some credit to the captain for persisting with a bowler. If you are critical when things are going bad, then you have to at least appreciate the positives.
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In this game overall he did a good job. I'll give him credit.

How i judge a captain is how they react when things are going against them. Also how they lead through there own performance and setting an example for the rest of the team.
 
So bowling your regular bowlers is height of tactics now is it? :)))

Wow what's next he's going to blow our mind with? Sending ( I mean persisting) best batsmen up the order....
 
Hasan123 said:
In this game overall he did a good job. I'll give him credit.

How i judge a captain is how they react when things are going against them. Also how they lead through there own performance and setting an example for the rest of the team.
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Sarfraz does need to improve his touch with the bat and become more consistent. He does have a temper and is unnecessarily aggressive towards his team.

So he is not perfect and I agree he should be criticised but not on this occasion.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
So bowling your regular bowlers is height of tactics now is it? :)))

Wow what's next he's going to blow our mind with? Sending ( I mean persisting) best batsmen up the order....
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What do you want him to do? To bowl himself?
 
The Viper said:
What do you want him to do? To bowl himself?
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Pointing out the ridiculous hype.

He had no choice but to carry on with the frontline bowlers.... it's the same for every captain.

He did take a good catch off yasir, the under edge.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Pointing out the ridiculous hype.

He had no choice but to carry on with the frontline bowlers.... it's the same for every captain.

He did take a good catch off yasir, the under edge.
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True. But the point I was conveying was that there has to be consistency. You can’t be critical when the team is struggling. But then when they are gaining momentum still say it was all Yasir rather than Sarfraz. I know persisting is not some tactical masterclass but it did the job.
 
People fail to take into consideration that often times in roles of leadership and responsibility, it is fortune that draws the line between ineptitude and genius.

As Napoleon once stated, "I would rather have a general who was lucky than one who was good".
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Pointing out the ridiculous hype.

He had no choice but to carry on with the frontline bowlers.... it's the same for every captain.

He did take a good catch off yasir, the under edge.
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Its not just the bowlers who create chances,its also the field setting which makes batsmen attempt different shots which creates chances.
 
Sarfaraz is a good captain, anyone who disputes this is either lying or hasn't seen much cricket. He's no Misbah but he's not Azhar Ali either.
 
He is too irresponsible and unreliable..his antics in the ground reminds me of Afridi and Akmal.
 
Kick him out.

Pakistan are going to become certified minnows under him.
 
It is really a sign of our cricket at the moment that this bloke is the captain.

An absolute laughing stock. A street fighter who can't even be relied upon to get 20 odd runs at Abu Dhabi to see his team home.
 
While his failure with the bat also played a factor, the batting collapse isn't wholly Sarfraz's fault.
 
Sarfaraz Ahmed should be sacked

Enough is enough with this awful uneducated loudmouth masquerading as a leader.... not only the odi team is playing just above minnow level, but he's successfully managed to drag the test team down too, that too at home.

He must be sacked straightaway.
 
Wait for people to come and lecture you about how himble he is, how close he lives to them and oh he is better then imran.
 
It's not his fault. When we lose it's never his fault. But when we next win all credit will be given to him. More than likely he will have nothing to do with the win as well :))).

His own performances contributed to our defeat. We needed him to stay longer in the 1st innings but he gave his wicket away.

He is a average player and he had been thoroughly exposed. Some had the nerve to say he's better than Bairstow:))) :))) .
 
Sack him.

Malik one day captain, Asad test captan, Rizwan new keeper.
 
and replaced by Aslam thelay wala who works in the national stadium karachi..

no actually lets get Haris sohail to be cuptaan..he can show the team how to colour their zulfain red..or perhaps babar azam..i mean if you think sarfi is a mental midget then well..

or finally how about hasan mr adidas ali..he'll teach everyone how you should bat when needing only 20 odd..lets all hit a stupid shot everyone..

yeah that'll work out well for us..
 
161 said:
Sack him.

Malik one day captain, Asad test captan, Rizwan new keeper.
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yes Malik who hit that magnificent 300 against warne and co..have you seen it yet..(hint its a figment of my imagination just like Malik being a player is a figment of his and yours..)
 
Too bad Baber run out exposed him. Otherwise he would not have got a chance to lead from front. Lol
 
Very frustrating to witness such a defeat as a fan , sacking Sarfraz is not an option at this stage because there isn’t a single credible replacement in this team
 
the Great Khan said:
and replaced by Aslam thelay wala who works in the national stadium karachi..

no actually lets get Haris sohail to be cuptaan..he can show the team how to colour their zulfain red..or perhaps babar azam..i mean if you think sarfi is a mental midget then well..

or finally how about hasan mr adidas ali..he'll teach everyone how you should bat when needing only 20 odd..lets all hit a stupid shot everyone..

yeah that'll work out well for us..
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Your solution....

Bury head in sand
 
Poor player who deserves to be sacked. Unfortunately, this may not be possible since we don't have a credible replacement who is waiting in the wings to take over. I'm not convinced on Mohammad Rizwan's keeping ability either.
 
the Great Khan said:
Your solution..make stupid brainless decisions expecting a miracle..
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My solution is to take the mediocrity out... starting with the captain and start again

Whereas you are wanting to carrying with same mediocrity and expecting a miracle turnaround
 
He MUST take the team to SAF - got his chances against SRL, AUS & NZ in UAE - so far 1-1-3 :(

Now, PCB must not sacrifice another Captain to cover for this guy. More or less everyone knows what's going to happen in SAF, be it Sarfraz replaced by 2 players - Benaud & Gilchrist. Making someone else Captain means after SAF tour this tool will come back as Captain to lead PAK in WC.
 
Hasan123 said:
It's not his fault. When we lose it's never his fault. But when we next win all credit will be given to him. More than likely he will have nothing to do with the win as well :))).

His own performances contributed to our defeat. We needed him to stay longer in the 1st innings but he gave his wicket away.

He is a average player and he had been thoroughly exposed. Some had the nerve to say he's better than Bairstow:))) :))) .
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Oh dear
 
shortbread said:
While his failure with the bat also played a factor, the batting collapse isn't wholly Sarfraz's fault.
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His irresponsible dismissal triggered the batting collapse. Adding that as captain the whole blame goes to him.
 
Sack him from test captaincy. Keep him as a player for now. Bring in Fawad, give him test captaincy, I don't think you can give it to Azhar or Asad at this point. We need an experienced bat in the middle order who scores big, and Asad has shown not to do this, and Azhar won't either. I think at this point we have to pretty much do a Misbah, bring in a domestic captain and hope things work out.

I'd play a top 7 of this:
1. Azhar
2. Imam
3. Fakhar
4. Haris
5. Babar
6. Fawad (c)
7. Sarfraz
 
Sarfraz is not captain material for Tests.
He might be good for T20s and possibly for ODI where impulses are required
 
Sack from Tests, keep as a player in Tests and appoint Azhar as captain.

Azhar was the captain in the wrong format and we need someone stable like him in Tests.

Sarfraz should continue in T20's and maybe in ODI's is well.
 
Let's wait till the end of the series.

Sarfraz is going to get a lot of criticism for this and he deserves to. He was awful with the bat in both innings especially given the mode and timing of his dismissals.

He has been awful with the bat ever since he got captaincy. But I will remind people that just the previous match he scored 2 fifties with a combined score of 170+. His performance is frustrating but wait till the end of the series before passing sweeping statements.

Besides even if he fails he'll probably be captain till the SA series.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
My solution is to take the mediocrity out... starting with the captain and start again

Whereas you are wanting to carrying with same mediocrity and expecting a miracle turnaround
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mediocrity? and replace with what? you people live in cloud cuckoo land..do you think teams are built in a day? do you understand the pressure on the team? we don't play at home, we have revenue issues, our very culture is under attack..yet the team has soared. CT was a great win, our t20 record is immense, we are fast improving in the ODI stakes and despite this loss we are getting better as a test side..make no mistake, this NZ side should have been all over us..

williamson a so called fab four entrant was supposed to hit big hundreds, but we kept him quiet..yes we jsut failed to get past the final hurdle but we wont make the same mistake again..if we do we will elarn from it..we had a good win against a reasonable aussie side that could have beaten us..so stop suggesting stupid ideas and get behind us..
 
No, he MUST take team to SAF for 3 formats.

Otherwise PCB will make MoHa Captain for SAF and after the series :) Sarfraz will be reinstated to lead in WC. Not much going to change in SAF be it Sarfraz or Imran (only as Captain, Khan was PROBABLY a little better player than Sarfraz), but PAK has a genuine chance to make WC SF with an 11 men XI.

In any case, probably he is going carry the team to WC :(
 
Time to drop Sarfraz and bring Rizwan in with the gloves + appoint new skipper?

Sarfraz doesn't make the XI on merit. His fitness, batting, captaincy are all so woeful.

Rizwan has better fitness and attitude towards his cricket. I don't think he can do any worse with the bat and was very good with the gloves during the ODI series in Aus. Also lets not forget he has scored runs for Pakistan A.

As for captaincy concerned I would suggest Fakhar Zaman, Babar Azam or Shafiq.
 
The responsibility lies with the management team including of course the captain. We need to wait till the end of the season to make the call.
 
It is so painful to watch his captaincy. He has no respect for his team mates. His performace has been non existent with the bat. We must drop him before the world cup
 
Awful captain, useless batsmen. With Rizwan getting Runs in the "A" team he should be replaced.
 
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No, he MUST take team to SAF for 3 formats.

Otherwise PCB will make MoHa Captain for SAF and after the series :) Sarfraz will be reinstated to lead in WC. Not much going to change in SAF be it Sarfraz or Imran (only as Captain, Khan was PROBABLY a little better player than Sarfraz), but PAK has a genuine chance to make WC SF with an 11 men XI.

In any case, probably he is going carry the team to WC :(
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Yes, no matter how much we cry on PP.

Sarf WILL remain the captain.

Unfortunately, Mohsin Khan does not have much power it seems. He was right all along - sack Sarfraz.

And INzy will never sack Sarf.
 
Second time in 12 months that Sarfraz has failed to lead from the front and guide Pakistan home in a 4th innings chase in UAE.

His strength is meant to be playing spin yet got out to debutant Patel twice.
 
BUT, be careful before putting a wish - you never know, what you are asking for.

By PCB's standard, if Sarfraz is sacked, means Hafeez is going to be the Captain. And more importantly - Sarfraz remains ODI Captain, MoHa Test Captain ......................................
 
Debutante at the crease against a spinner - should have been surrounding him with fielders....
 
He should enjoy this test while he can, because its probably the last one he's ever going to play as captain of Pakistan.
 
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