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Saudi Arabian Men banned from marrying brides of 4 nations

Saudi men can't marry women from Pakistan, three other countries

Riyadh: Saudi Arabia has banned its male citizens from marrying women from four countries - Pakistan, Bangladesh, Chad and Myanmar - a police officer said.

The announcement comes as a part of Saudi Arabia's efforts to prohibit Saudi men from marrying expatriates, a subject widely debated in the Gulf nation.

There is an estimated 500,000 women from the four countries, residing in Saudi Arabia.

Mecca Police Director Assaf Al-Qurashi said additional formalities have been placed before issuing the permission for marriage with foreigners, Dawnonline reported citing a local daily Wednesday.

Tougher regulations have been introduced for such marriages, that includes, obtaining consent from the authorities and submitting marriage applications through official channels, the report said.

Applicants should be over 25 and attach identification documents signed by the local district mayor as well as all other identity papers, including a copy of his family card.

"If the applicant is already married, he should attach a report from a hospital proving that his wife is either disabled, suffering from a chronic disease or is sterile," Al-Qurashi said.

However, no official announcement has been released by the Saudi Arabian government till yet.

The largest oil exporting nation is home to an estimated 9 million expatriate worker, constituting 30 per cent of the total population.

The highly conservative country has been the subject of global condemnation for its bad record in granting equal rights to women in the country.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world...om-pakistan-three-other-countries_952846.html
 
Expected the sensationalist headline from TOI, but sad to see Dawn doing the same.

The bold part says: Saudi men have been prohibited from marrying women from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Chad and Myanmar,

And the report says: additional formalities have been placed before issuing the permission for marriage with foreigners. Saudi men wishing to marry foreigners now face tougher regulations.
 
Expected the sensationalist headline from TOI, but sad to see Dawn doing the same.

The bold part says: Saudi men have been prohibited from marrying women from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Chad and Myanmar,

And the report says: additional formalities have been placed before issuing the permission for marriage with foreigners. Saudi men wishing to marry foreigners now face tougher regulations.

Whats sensationalist?...

Its become harder generally to marry foreigners but these four nations have been sidelined completely...I don't see what issue you have with how this news has been presented...

Its bigotry and wholly unislamic...
 
Expected the sensationalist headline from TOI, but sad to see Dawn doing the same.

The bold part says: Saudi men have been prohibited from marrying women from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Chad and Myanmar,

And the report says: additional formalities have been placed before issuing the permission for marriage with foreigners. Saudi men wishing to marry foreigners now face tougher regulations.

The second point might be about marrying women of countries other than the 4 mentioned in the first point
 
Read somewhere this is to stop multiple "temporary" marriages with poor girls by some rich Arabs.
 
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This is a news relevant to Pakistanis at least, so don't see a problem here. And it is not an anti Pakistan post.

Hope you extend your anti troll peacekeeping services to all threads.

On topic: I don't think they have been banned from marrying, just that they need prior approval. I think there is more to the news than the headline suggests.

Nope i will extend when i find them in extremely immature manner- kinda playground thingy- you dont have toilets oh well your women are banned- hope you dont have an issue
 
This is an interesting comment...anyone wanna shed light?

'I think this move is aimed at discouraging the trade of underage women under the pretense of marriage. Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands young foreign women are sold to wealthy Middle Eastern men, who marry them for a few months. The six month divorce rule will also discourage fake repeat marriages.'
 
of course the above could be an elaborate excuse...banning marriages to nationalities in totality is hardly a way to deal with trafficking...

Also the better argument is it is just plain racism considering Saudi women lose their nationality for marrying non arabs...
 
I think every country has the right to preserve its demographics. Saudi Arabia is well within its rights to control the non arab population. Europe is only waking up to this.
 
I think every country has the right to preserve its demographics. Saudi Arabia is well within its rights to control the non arab population. Europe is only waking up to this.

Not when you claim to be a country based on Islamic laws...this is completely contradictory to that...

Its an attempt at protecting an Arab bloodline and its bigotry plain and simple...being someone of mixed heritage i find this particularly deplorable...
 
deplorable and sick. I see the arabs going back to their preislamic roots. what next burying girls alive??
 
Arabs dont want you in their lands, why is it so hard to comprehend? They want to maintain the purity of their Arab blood and do not want to dilute it by mixing with non-arabs.
 
I want to see the Arab countries giving permanent citizenship to deserving immigrants from all over the world like the west does. Least of all they can let Muslims from all over the World settle in their countries if they care about Ummah in the slightest
 
Arabs dont want you in their lands, why is it so hard to comprehend? They want to maintain the purity of their Arab blood and do not want to dilute it by mixing with non-arabs.

no community will want near 50% immigrants on its soil, this is reality.
 
well then they better get off their arab arsh and do some work themselves!

So if they hire workers from other countries, they must also let them marry with the natives and become citizens? But then this is open secret of immigrant workers, they say they just want to go for education and work experience, but want to ultimately become citizens there.
 
So if they hire workers from other countries, they must also let them marry with the natives and become citizens? But then this is open secret of immigrant workers, they say they just want to go for education and work experience, but want to ultimately become citizens there.

None that i know of want to go to Saudi for education or work experience-even the ones in the oil industry.

Saudis obviously are incapable of running their country and managing their resources on an adminstrative/professional/labour POV and hence the reliance on foreign labour in all strata's of the labour market.

Next relative to your point on immigration- economic immigration is fluid free market just like international trading- all dictated by supply and demand.

Regarding the point of marriage- if they are good enough to work in your society/country then they good enough to become citizens over course of time- else get your natives to learn the skills and work ethics- nope?
 
None that i know of want to go to Saudi for education or work experience-even the ones in the oil industry.

Saudis obviously are incapable of running their country and managing their resources on an adminstrative/professional/labour POV and hence the reliance on foreign labour in all strata's of the labour market.

Next relative to your point on immigration- economic immigration is fluid free market just like international trading- all dictated by supply and demand.

Regarding the point of marriage- if they are good enough to work in your society/country then they good enough to become citizens over course of time- else get your natives to learn the skills and work ethics- nope?

Saudis are incapable of running their country? That is like saying americans are incapable of working in call centers just because they outsource such tasks.

Economic immigration is dictated by politics too. Some of immigration is because of lack of skill power, some is a scam by politicians/companies to get cheap labour.

Lol. That is like saying if a domestic servant is good to work in your household, he/she is good enough to marry into your family. Saudi Arabia is perfectly within its rights to allow workers to do their laundry, while not allowing them to marry with the locals.
 
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Saudis are incapable of running their country? That is like saying americans are incapable of working in call centers just because they outsource such tasks.

Economic immigration is dictated by politics too. Some of immigration is because of lack of skill power, some is a scam by politicians/companies to get cheap labour.

Lol. That is like saying if a domestic servant is good to work in your household, he/she is good enough to marry into your family. Saudi Arabia is perfectly within its rights to allow workers to do their laundry, while not allowing them to marry with the locals.

Saudis lets see:

Import labourers
Import Oil engineers
Import accountants
Import security guards
Import IT techs
Import bankers
Import pretty much every labour skills

Now the reason they import is not due to cost implication or to save money- but simply because their native population is not interested or not qualified, whilst the call centres is due to cost implication and profit driven- different scenarios- never mind keep on mixing your oranges with apples.

Regarding the domestic servant-I am assuming then you would never let in your family your accountant or a professional service provider-right? Or if the servants son over time learnt to be a doctor, you would still not accept him right, 2 generations moved on.

Offcourse Saudis are within their right but they have to think of the day when oil runs out and they got a country of noobs- for all the servants and the immigrants would have moved on and the natives would have no1 to turn to
 
Saudis lets see:

...
Import pretty much every labour skills

Now the reason they import is not due to cost implication or to save money- but simply because their native population is not interested or not qualified, whilst the call centres is due to cost implication and profit driven- different scenarios- never mind keep on mixing your oranges with apples.

Regarding the domestic servant-I am assuming then you would never let in your family your accountant or a professional service provider-right? Or if the servants son over time learnt to be a doctor, you would still not accept him right, 2 generations moved on.

Offcourse Saudis are within their right but they have to think of the day when oil runs out and they got a country of noobs- for all the servants and the immigrants would have moved on and the natives would have no1 to turn to

You said Saudis are incapable of running their country. But compare their country with others in asia, particularly those whose people flock their for jobs. I say these people are not capable of running their country, and have to go to arabia to get jobs.

I will not accept my employee as an equal in my family.

When the oil runs out, the first ones to worry should be these immigrants. No jobs in their own country, and no jobs in arabia too. What would they do? It is not like if the oil runs out, the wealth earned all these decades will run out too. They will be in a much better state compared to most nations.
 
You said Saudis are incapable of running their country. But compare their country with others in asia, particularly those whose people flock their for jobs. I say these people are not capable of running their country, and have to go to arabia to get jobs.

I will not accept my employee as an equal in my family.

When the oil runs out, the first ones to worry should be these immigrants. No jobs in their own country, and no jobs in arabia too. What would they do? It is not like if the oil runs out, the wealth earned all these decades will run out too. They will be in a much better state compared to most nations.

Again bit of an incorrect comparison between Saudi and Asian countries- for Asian countries have an oversupply of labour with not enough demand- and folks move to Saudi and Gulf countries for earning enough buck to start something new or to have enough in the pension pot and not for education or work experience- and this is the case from the cream of engineers/accountants etc to the building site worker.

Secondly i wouldnt class anyone in Saudi as an immigrant- for an immigrant is "a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country" for none of them firstly can stay permanently or do stay on permanently again from all strata's of the labour market. Offcourse there are exceptions to the rule where the Saudi govt has given citizenship to some chaps but this is again exception.


When the oil runs out, you will find that majority of the workers/expats/support staff whatever you want to call- will move back home or to a third place with their pension pot/money saved and start their own thing or do something else, unless some1 is silly enough to blow it all or spend it.

Whilst the wealth may not run out, but what do you do with money but no skills and as the saying goes -fools and their money are separated easily.

Compared to Saudi- Norway (major oil exporter) has done a much better job- got the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund and a qualified workforce and loads of immigrants too.

BTW why are we discussing Saudi immigration- and i stand by my original statement- if Saudis dont like so many foreigners they might as well start doing their own work.
 
BTW why are we discussing Saudi immigration- and i stand by my original statement- if Saudis dont like so many foreigners they might as well start doing their own work.

You can stand by your statement. Just that it isn't happening. Saudis will have their cake and eat it too, because they CAN. Only if other countries dealt with immigration like the Saudis, the world will be a better place.
 
You can stand by your statement. Just that it isn't happening. Saudis will have their cake and eat it too, because they CAN. Only if other countries dealt with immigration like the Saudis, the world will be a better place.

But then again Saudi doesnt have immigration does it??? Saudi got what Germans used to call "guest workers" for the Turkish & Yugoslavian workers...
 
I originally thought it was the women being banned from marrying men from certain countries, which was probably a more expected move from the KSA authorities.
 
I originally thought it was the women being banned from marrying men from certain countries, which was probably a more expected move from the KSA authorities.

Women are banned from marrying any men from non GCC countries...if a Saudi woman chooses to marry a Pakistani, Englishman or Moroccan she loses her citizenship...
 
Women are banned from marrying any men from non GCC countries...if a Saudi woman chooses to marry a Pakistani, Englishman or Moroccan she loses her citizenship...

That is not a ban. That is a choice. Either the guy or your citizenship. And anyway, women traditionally go to their husband's country.
 
That is not a ban. That is a choice. Either the guy or your citizenship. And anyway, women traditionally go to their husband's country.

By your logic blackmail must be a perfectly acceptable practice cos after all you have a choice :)
 
By your logic blackmail must be a perfectly acceptable practice cos after all you have a choice :)

Not the right example. In blackmail you don't know the cost involved, so you did not account for your pics being leaked when you were having fun. But here, they know in advance that they will have to kiss their citizenship goodbye if they really like that guy so much. The choice is clear from the beginning.
 
Not the right example. In blackmail you don't know the cost involved, so you did not account for your pics being leaked when you were having fun. But here, they know in advance that they will have to kiss their citizenship goodbye if they really like that guy so much. The choice is clear from the beginning.

So you would accept choice between losing your life or changing your religion? So in effect if India tomorrow imposed a ban on conversion and penalised it by death sentence you would have no qualms supporting it?
 
Not the right example. In blackmail you don't know the cost involved, so you did not account for your pics being leaked when you were having fun. But here, they know in advance that they will have to kiss their citizenship goodbye if they really like that guy so much. The choice is clear from the beginning.

Lol this is ludicrous...giving them one choice isn't a choice...as an example if you don't vote then you are killed...is that a choice?...

What right does the state have to limit a woman's possibilities...its a disgrace...and i find it amusing you're legitimizing such an abhorrent rule...

You probably liked apartheid policies too right?...
 
Did they give any reason for this decision.

Anyways i dont see a punjabi or sindhi women wanting to marry a saudi.
 
So you would accept choice between losing your life or changing your religion? So in effect if India tomorrow imposed a ban on conversion and penalised it by death sentence you would have no qualms supporting it?

Illogical. The fallacy known as appeal to extreme.

A more reasonable comparison would be India's rule on not allowing dual citizenship. Would you say that taking up citizenship of another country is banned in India? I corrected the word "ban" because it is clearly not a ban. You may disagree with the rule and the choice it presents to its women who want to marry a non arab, but let us not misrepresent meanings in our blind hatred for anything saudi.
 
Lol this is ludicrous...giving them one choice isn't a choice...as an example if you don't vote then you are killed...is that a choice?...

What right does the state have to limit a woman's possibilities...its a disgrace...and i find it amusing you're legitimizing such an abhorrent rule...

You probably liked apartheid policies too right?...

Please don't create strawmen to make me look bad. Seems saudi haters cant do without bringing in death in every arguments.

The state has every right to control its demography. And if the rule is so unjust, let the saudi women protest, instead of becoming their unsolicited solicitor.

I find it amusing how people show outrage when the purported victims have no issues with it. If enough women want to marry non saudis, and also want to keep saudi citizenship, then laws will change. Ultimately the laws are the reflection of the majority's will.
 
Please don't create strawmen to make me look bad. Seems saudi haters cant do without bringing in death in every arguments.

The state has every right to control its demography. And if the rule is so unjust, let the saudi women protest, instead of becoming their unsolicited solicitor.

I find it amusing how people show outrage when the purported victims have no issues with it. If enough women want to marry non saudis, and also want to keep saudi citizenship, then laws will change. Ultimately the laws are the reflection of the majority's will.

Its a simple concept you don't seem to understand...

Here is a legitimate choice...do you want to eat and apple or a banana?...I can choose one or the other...

Here is an illegitimate choice...do you want the apple or a banana...if you choose the apple you are fine...if you choose the banana you will be deported or lose your citizenship...so are you still going to try and purport the apple as being a choice?...

There is a punishment depending on what choice you make hence it is not a choice...its really not a tough concept to understand...
 
Illogical. The fallacy known as appeal to extreme.

A more reasonable comparison would be India's rule on not allowing dual citizenship. Would you say that taking up citizenship of another country is banned in India? I corrected the word "ban" because it is clearly not a ban. You may disagree with the rule and the choice it presents to its women who want to marry a non arab, but let us not misrepresent meanings in our blind hatred for anything saudi.

Dual citizenship in India is banned- for the constitution of the country does not allow it and whilst straight away acquiring nationality of another country Indian government does not automatically strip you of Indian citizenship, it penalises you for holding dual nationality by fines and in some cases imprisonment and the onus is on you to renounce your Indian nationality and not the other way around- ie Government allows you to act and will only act if you have failed to do so.

Anyways no blind hatred of Saudis, lets not confuse criticism with hatred..... its a free world- the same free world that allows Saudis to do as they please- allows me to criticise as I please
 
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Its a simple concept you don't seem to understand...

Here is a legitimate choice...do you want to eat and apple or a banana?...I can choose one or the other...

Here is an illegitimate choice...do you want the apple or a banana...if you choose the apple you are fine...if you choose the banana you will be deported or lose your citizenship...so are you still going to try and purport the apple as being a choice?...

There is a punishment depending on what choice you make hence it is not a choice...its really not a tough concept to understand...

Here is the choice. If you choose the apple, you lose that awesome non saudi guy you love. If you choose the banana, you lose your citizenship.

Legitimate choice. You win some, you lose some. No pain no gain.
 
Women are banned from marrying any men from non GCC countries...if a Saudi woman chooses to marry a Pakistani, Englishman or Moroccan she loses her citizenship...

Really? One if my Tunisian friends married a Saudi but was interviewed and tested for all sorts of diseases before they allowed him. Pretty demeaning but at the end he now has official sponsorship from his wife and is much happier than being sponsored by a company.
 
Whats the problem with marrying Subcontinent women? Its not that an Arab man can marry only one woman. I am sure those Arabs have many Arab wives and the Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Indian wife will be just one among many. How can the demographics change unless the Arab men start marrying only Pak/Bangla girls and decides to have many kids with them.

Arabs attacked subcontinent, converted people to Islam. Now they don't want Muslims from subcontinent? Hypocrites.
 
I guess too many gold diggers from those respective countries. Maybe that is why they put a ban on marriage.
 
there is none. totally unislamic to prohibit a male of a country to marry a female of his own choice.

Im well aware there is no Islamic justification but I presume they at least have to contrive a reason through their fake scholars...
 
I guess too many gold diggers from those respective countries. Maybe that is why they put a ban on marriage.

Lol because men can't make decisions for themselves?...lol I hope this is sarcasm on your part...

If anything the Saudi stance is a reminder of anti miscegenation that used to take place in the USA till 1967...Nazi Germany and Apartheid South Africa...

Racism frankly of the highest order...all these other excuses are just ridiculous I'm afraid and don't add up...

Remember women aren't even allowed to marry anyone from a non GCC country without losing their citizenship...seems they want to ensure their men go down a similar path...
 
If anything the Saudi stance is a reminder of anti miscegenation that used to take place in the USA till 1967...Nazi Germany and Apartheid South Africa...

Racism frankly of the highest order...all these other excuses are just ridiculous I'm afraid and don't add up...

Remember women aren't even allowed to marry anyone from a non GCC country without losing their citizenship...seems they want to ensure their men go down a similar path...

Just around that time there was civil rights movement in U.S. and apartheid South Africa was cornered by the world so they could reconsider their ways. But what do we do see here? No Nelson Mandela, no Roza Parks, No Malcolm X, No UN sanctions and no civil rights movement. So maybe the situation is not similar?
 
Illogical. The fallacy known as appeal to extreme.

A more reasonable comparison would be India's rule on not allowing dual citizenship. Would you say that taking up citizenship of another country is banned in India? I corrected the word "ban" because it is clearly not a ban. You may disagree with the rule and the choice it presents to its women who want to marry a non arab, but let us not misrepresent meanings in our blind hatred for anything saudi.

Then nothing is a ''ban'' per se. When you commit a crime (a banned action), you also have the choice between going to jail or not doing a criminal action. Basically, nish_mate thinks that revoking saudi citizenship is a punishment for marrying a non-saudi and it is a reasonable assumption in my mind.
 
Saudi has some weird laws.

This just happens to be one of them.

It's a rapidly degenerating state in current world.
 
Shocking news

The day we drops stupid ideas of caste and nationality when letting our daughters chose their wedding partners , is a day when we will truly be liberated
 
Great satirical piece by Rafia Zakaria.

“Make your own Saudi prince”

All the little girls growing up in Pakistan have a single dream.

One day, when they are 18 or 19, a fat and old man dressed all in flowing white, will alight from the first class cabin of a Saudi Airlines plane and step into a black Mercedes with tinted windows.

Racing through the crowded, decrepit streets of crumbling Karachi or Lahore or Multan or Faisalabad, the prince untouched by dust and grime, would alight at their doorstep.

In their drawing room, over sips of Rooh Afza and zeera biscuits, he would ask to marry her, and then whisk her away to the golden sands of Arabia.

No more, the impurities of an imperfectly Muslim Pakistan, no more the pressures of learning to make dal and biryani, driving through streets or attending school or college. Life in poor, angry, dirty Pakistan would come to an end; life behind a tall, walled compound somewhere in serene, pristine, Arabia would begin.

The dream has been shattered.

A few days ago, the Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia made an announcement that has shattered the hearts of millions of Pakistani women devastating in a single blow the marital prospects of faithful females all over the country.

According to the proclamation which being from Saudi Arabia must be assumed to be holy, Saudi men are now forbidden from marrying Pakistani women.

The report, published among other places by the Makkah Daily, quotes the Makkah Police Director Assaf Al Qureshi saying that Saudi males must no longer marry women from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Chad and Myanmar.

An estimated 500,000 women from these countries have already betrothed their dream men from the desert kingdom. No more, it seems, will Pakistani women be able to realise their fantasy of wedding a Saudi man; of living happily ever after in his walled compound with a collection of jeweled burqas next to a gurgling oil well.

In the aftermath of this romantic catastrophe, it is going to be the responsibility of Pakistani men to attend to the shortfall; attend to the eviscerated expectations of the Saudi marriage ban.

In the absence of the real Saudi Prince, the much, much poorer Pakistani Prince will have to step in.

This pretend Prince is likely to face some significant challenges; first of which is the ineradicable taint of being a lesser Muslim and an ethnic non-Arab; all things everyone knows make you a lesser Muslim and perhaps even a lesser human being (why else would Saudis forbid marriages between Arabs and non-Arabs?).

Even if his potential Pakistani bride is able to overlook this glaring problem; other issues remain. How can a bank clerk or a small businessman produce a walled compound, a collection of diamond encrusted burkas and most important of all; an oil well?

Once again, poor copies will have to do when originals are unavailable.

A single walled room instead of a compound.

A nylon burqa with fake rhinestones instead of a silk one with diamonds.

A tap with running water instead of an oil well.

Some assistance in making it all seem more real can be obtained by the provision of a television that broadcasts shows exclusively in Arabic. If no one can understand, no problem, the sounds of Saudi Arabia are, after all, still better than the silence of Pakistan.

This then is going to be the solution for millions of Pakistani women yearning for Saudi Princes. With a little co-operation from Pakistani men, they can still make it happen, settle for the fakes if they cannot have the real thing. How the women of Bangladesh, Chad and Myanmar will deal with this blow is their own problem.

Given that Pakistanis are so used to illusions, it may even seem, from a distance and when the light falls at the correct angle, that the Pakistani princes, also fat, also old and also misogynistic, are exactly like the Saudi ones they ape and copy.

The nylon burqa, the walled room and the Arabic recordings, all making our very own Pakistan into a pretend Saudi Arabia, so every Pakistani girl, can have her pretend Saudi prince.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1124112/make-your-own-saudi-prince
 
How about Saudi Women? Do they lose citizenship by default as well if they marry citizens of Pakistan, BD, Chad and Myanmar?
 
How about Saudi Women? Do they lose citizenship by default as well if they marry citizens of Pakistan, BD, Chad and Myanmar?

I heard someone say they would. Haven't read anything about it but the guy was convinced he knew the ruling.
 
I heard someone say they would. Haven't read anything about it but the guy was convinced he knew the ruling.

Thanks.

I tried to look it up but couldn't see any good description. Also, it seems that female will lose the citizenship if they marry anyone from outside of Arab countries. It's not limited to those 4 countries when it comes to female. It looked that way to me.
 
Lol Saudi Arabian government is a joke.

Looks like they can still marry Indians, maybe one of the king's wives is Indian.:13:
 
Thanks.

I tried to look it up but couldn't see any good description. Also, it seems that female will lose the citizenship if they marry anyone from outside of Arab countries. It's not limited to those 4 countries when it comes to female. It looked that way to me.

Also to marry a Saudi woman as a non Saudi you have to go through interviews and aids tests. Pretty demeaning stuff.
 
This is probably a better thing for pakistani women

This. It's a blessing in disguise. Conservative as Pakistani women have grown over the years, especially the last 5-6, that's a whole different world even by our standards(Islamabad is to Saudi what Vegas is to Islamabad) and if you're legally bound to a Saudi man there(legally, there's god and then there's Saudi men in that country), there's no way out.
 
Why Pakistan and Bangladesh? It comes across as a silly law, but you would think these two countries wouldn't bear the brunt of it all.
 
Why Pakistan and Bangladesh? It comes across as a silly law, but you would think these two countries wouldn't bear the brunt of it all.

may be that's where majority of the (child) wives are coming from? Few years ago, Hyderabad used to be a big hub for these Arab Sheikh marriages. Illiterate, poor or naive people were duped by the agents and married off their daughters to these Arab men. Successive AP govts have worked hard with Muslim leaders to raise awareness about the issue and from what I heard, they've come down a lot if not completely abolished.
 
Also to marry a Saudi woman as a non Saudi you have to go through interviews and aids tests. Pretty demeaning stuff.

Aids test may not be such a bad thing. Doesn't have to be done by officials but should be done on volunteer basis by bride and groom both. Don't know why they will take interview though. I don't see any purpose for an interview by officials. Is it a formality or they pass a judgement on who can marry Saudi females?
 
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Aids test may not be such a bad thing. Doesn't have to be done by officials but should be done on volunteer basis by bride and groom both. Don't know why they will take interview though. I don't see any purpose for an interview by officials. Is it a formality or they pass a judgement on who can marry Saudi females?

Culture, ethnicity and all that bs.
 
Culture, ethnicity and all that bs.

Wow, so if you are not an Arab and some how fell in love with a Saudi girl then for all practical purposes, girl has to give up citizenship of Saudi to get married. Sounds draconian.
 
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Thread title gave me impression that there was a trend among Arab men to marry brides from 4 different nations, and now they are curbing it.

Not far fetched.
 
I think they are also banned from marrying Yemenis.

last year one girl wanted to marry this yemeni guy but the gov forbidded her parents and her to do so. So she went to Yemen and married him there :facepalm:
 
Saudi Arabia: Men banned from marrying women from Pakistan and 3 other countries

Looks arbitrary decision. No explanation is given. Why single out only these countries?

Saudi Arabia: Men banned from marrying women from these 4 countries

Dubai: Saudi Arabia has prohibited its men from marrying women from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Chad, and Myanmar, local media reported on Sunday. The move is aimed at discouraging Saudi men from marrying foreign women. Saudis who want to marry foreign women should first obtain approval from relevant government bodies and submit marriage applications through official channels. Divorced men are not be allowed to apply within six months of their divorce. Applicants should be over 25 and attach all identification documents signed by the local district mayor, including a copy of his family record book. If the applicant is already married, he should attach a report from a hospital proving that his wife is either disabled, suffering from a chronic disease or is sterile.
 
Great satirical piece by Rafia Zakaria.

“Make your own Saudi prince”

All the little girls growing up in Pakistan have a single dream.

One day, when they are 18 or 19, a fat and old man dressed all in flowing white, will alight from the first class cabin of a Saudi Airlines plane and step into a black Mercedes with tinted windows.

Racing through the crowded, decrepit streets of crumbling Karachi or Lahore or Multan or Faisalabad, the prince untouched by dust and grime, would alight at their doorstep.

In their drawing room, over sips of Rooh Afza and zeera biscuits, he would ask to marry her, and then whisk her away to the golden sands of Arabia.

No more, the impurities of an imperfectly Muslim Pakistan, no more the pressures of learning to make dal and biryani, driving through streets or attending school or college. Life in poor, angry, dirty Pakistan would come to an end; life behind a tall, walled compound somewhere in serene, pristine, Arabia would begin.

The dream has been shattered.

A few days ago, the Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia made an announcement that has shattered the hearts of millions of Pakistani women devastating in a single blow the marital prospects of faithful females all over the country.

According to the proclamation which being from Saudi Arabia must be assumed to be holy, Saudi men are now forbidden from marrying Pakistani women.

The report, published among other places by the Makkah Daily, quotes the Makkah Police Director Assaf Al Qureshi saying that Saudi males must no longer marry women from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Chad and Myanmar.

An estimated 500,000 women from these countries have already betrothed their dream men from the desert kingdom. No more, it seems, will Pakistani women be able to realise their fantasy of wedding a Saudi man; of living happily ever after in his walled compound with a collection of jeweled burqas next to a gurgling oil well.

In the aftermath of this romantic catastrophe, it is going to be the responsibility of Pakistani men to attend to the shortfall; attend to the eviscerated expectations of the Saudi marriage ban.

In the absence of the real Saudi Prince, the much, much poorer Pakistani Prince will have to step in.

This pretend Prince is likely to face some significant challenges; first of which is the ineradicable taint of being a lesser Muslim and an ethnic non-Arab; all things everyone knows make you a lesser Muslim and perhaps even a lesser human being (why else would Saudis forbid marriages between Arabs and non-Arabs?).

Even if his potential Pakistani bride is able to overlook this glaring problem; other issues remain. How can a bank clerk or a small businessman produce a walled compound, a collection of diamond encrusted burkas and most important of all; an oil well?

Once again, poor copies will have to do when originals are unavailable.

A single walled room instead of a compound.

A nylon burqa with fake rhinestones instead of a silk one with diamonds.

A tap with running water instead of an oil well.

Some assistance in making it all seem more real can be obtained by the provision of a television that broadcasts shows exclusively in Arabic. If no one can understand, no problem, the sounds of Saudi Arabia are, after all, still better than the silence of Pakistan.

This then is going to be the solution for millions of Pakistani women yearning for Saudi Princes. With a little co-operation from Pakistani men, they can still make it happen, settle for the fakes if they cannot have the real thing. How the women of Bangladesh, Chad and Myanmar will deal with this blow is their own problem.

Given that Pakistanis are so used to illusions, it may even seem, from a distance and when the light falls at the correct angle, that the Pakistani princes, also fat, also old and also misogynistic, are exactly like the Saudi ones they ape and copy.

The nylon burqa, the walled room and the Arabic recordings, all making our very own Pakistan into a pretend Saudi Arabia, so every Pakistani girl, can have her pretend Saudi prince.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1124112/make-your-own-saudi-prince

Really amazing to see liberals projecting their inner racism, bigotry and deep buried complexes in the name of “satire”. Inability to even explore the context and POV of their fellow citizens is here for everyone to see. Especially brushing entire populations of more than one country in bigoted stereotypes under the guise of satire is abhorrent. But then it is not surprising at all. Desi liberals, and now we have plenty of them in Pakistan, have never bothered to forego their high seats of judgement. I have many activist fiends in west and they genuinely care about masses, even conservative ones. But liberals in Pakistan have decided to wage a social and culture war instead of doing any actual work for the poor and devastated in Pakistan. Just “Indian Punjab” has multitudes of books, studies, social experiments etc going on and you can find racks upon racks of literature for social improvement for Indian Punjab. Unfortunately, when it comes to Pakistan, all our western educated liberals seem capable of is to “tweet” on culture issues. And that is important but we see no sympathy and work from them for the economic and social wellbeing of “ghareeb awam “. Lower middle and lower class in Pakistan seems to be “the forgotten people” in the sense that neither government nor activists are concerned to even just study their problems, let alone propose solutions.
 
Really amazing to see liberals projecting their inner racism, bigotry and deep buried complexes in the name of “satire”. Inability to even explore the context and POV of their fellow citizens is here for everyone to see. Especially brushing entire populations of more than one country in bigoted stereotypes under the guise of satire is abhorrent. But then it is not surprising at all. Desi liberals, and now we have plenty of them in Pakistan, have never bothered to forego their high seats of judgement. I have many activist fiends in west and they genuinely care about masses, even conservative ones. But liberals in Pakistan have decided to wage a social and culture war instead of doing any actual work for the poor and devastated in Pakistan. Just “Indian Punjab” has multitudes of books, studies, social experiments etc going on and you can find racks upon racks of literature for social improvement for Indian Punjab. Unfortunately, when it comes to Pakistan, all our western educated liberals seem capable of is to “tweet” on culture issues. And that is important but we see no sympathy and work from them for the economic and social wellbeing of “ghareeb awam “. Lower middle and lower class in Pakistan seems to be “the forgotten people” in the sense that neither government nor activists are concerned to even just study their problems, let alone propose solutions.

Typical boomer-tier argument whining about liberals. Move on grandpa.

On topic: this makes the Arab obsession in Pakistan even more embarrassing.
 
Typical boomer-tier argument whining about liberals. Move on grandpa.

On topic: this makes the Arab obsession in Pakistan even more embarrassing.

Sorry to disappoint but I am not a boomer. Even if I were, it was a limited experience of a generation in Europe and North America. I was brought up in urban Pakistan of 90s and 2000s. Not sure this classification even applies here.

Where is Arab obsession in Pakistan? Most Pakistanis that I know make only jokes about Arabs
 
RIYADH: Saudi Arabia has prohibited its men from marrying women from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Chad and Myanmar, Dawn reported citing a report in Saudi media. According to unofficial figures, there are about 500,000 women from these four countries currently residing in the kingdom.

Saudi men wishing to marry foreigners now face tougher regulations, says a report in Makkah daily quoting Makkah Police Director Major General Assaf Al-Qurashi. The move is aimed at discouraging Saudi men from marrying foreigners and additional formalities have been placed before issuing permission for marriage with foreigners, the Dawn reported.

Those wanting to marry foreign women should first obtain the consent of the government and submit marriage applications through official channels, Qurashi was quoted as saying. Qurashi said divorced men would not be allowed to apply within six months of their divorce.

The official said applicants should be over 25 and attach identification documents signed by the local district mayor as well as all other identity papers, including a copy of his family card. "If the applicant is already married, he should attach a report from a hospital proving that his wife is either disabled, suffering from a chronic disease or is sterile," he said

https://www.newindianexpress.com/wo...esh-and-two-other-nations-report-2279160.html
 
Isn't this good news for Pakistan? I know several cases in India where ME middle aged men comes to India to marry(buy) girls from poor families for pleasuring themselves. Many then throw these girls away or take them to Arab to work as maids once their temporary requirement is satisfied. In return they give dollars to the parents or a job for somebody in the family in ME. The sooner this kind of exploitation gets controlled by these noveau rich but culture less individuals, the better it is.
 
Sorry to disappoint but I am not a boomer. Even if I were, it was a limited experience of a generation in Europe and North America. I was brought up in urban Pakistan of 90s and 2000s. Not sure this classification even applies here.

Where is Arab obsession in Pakistan? Most Pakistanis that I know make only jokes about Arabs

I meant it was a boomer-tier argument, the grandpa jibe was just tongue-in-cheek.

Well, the continual usage of Arab words, is one. Many claim they have Arab ancestry and deny their South Asian roots (likely because they were mostly Hindu and perhaps Buddhist, too). While it's no secret that I don't like religion as an ideology (yes, including Islam), Pakistanis have a right to be religious, but that doesn't mean they need to have a yearning to be Arab. Though, perhaps that's implicitly enforced by the religion itself, but that is a different matter.
 
I meant it was a boomer-tier argument, the grandpa jibe was just tongue-in-cheek.

Well, the continual usage of Arab words, is one. Many claim they have Arab ancestry and deny their South Asian roots (likely because they were mostly Hindu and perhaps Buddhist, too). While it's no secret that I don't like religion as an ideology (yes, including Islam), Pakistanis have a right to be religious, but that doesn't mean they need to have a yearning to be Arab. Though, perhaps that's implicitly enforced by the religion itself, but that is a different matter.

Ok. Arabic words are used because Urdu is effectively amalgamation of Arabic , Persian and some Turkish with Hindi. Claiming Arab ancestry is a valid point. But you will find that it is most common in muhajir community. It is not that common in the rest. And to some extent it also indicates historical Arab migration in India.

An interesting fact is that in muhajir community you will also find fake claims of pashtun ancestry as well. We find so many khans and Baigs in Karachi.
 
Ok. Arabic words are used because Urdu is effectively amalgamation of Arabic , Persian and some Turkish with Hindi. Claiming Arab ancestry is a valid point. But you will find that it is most common in muhajir community. It is not that common in the rest. And to some extent it also indicates historical Arab migration in India.

An interesting fact is that in muhajir community you will also find fake claims of pashtun ancestry as well. We find so many khans and Baigs in Karachi.

Sure, I don't mean Arabic, Farsi or Turkish words which have been integrated, I mean some of the incessant use of 'jazakallah', 'mashallah', etc. And the Arab ancestry argument isn't the only one, but it's the most compelling. Sure, there was Arab migration, but any ancestry from that is almost negligible, as that was around the 9th/10th century, and most likely were in the upper echelons in society, which most Pakistanis today aren't.

Yes, the comment about Pashtuns is correct too, but nowhere near the level of Arabs.
 
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