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Say what you want, but Babar Azam is still Pakistan’s most gifted batter

Dr_Bassim said:
You need to re-read what you wrote.

And keep reading till you realize why the above statement doesn't fit Babar.
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It doesn’t matter what a random doctor has to say on the greatness of Babar. Cricket pundits and crowd that comes to the stadium believe in Babar and that’s the bottom line.
 
Too young

Too classy

The Australian system behind him babaaaay
 
Play more test cricket bud!

You aren’t becoming either a Root/Williamson or a Brooks/ Head/ Pant.
 
Most T20I Innings with Less than 125 SR (Min 20 balls)

31 - Babar Azam*
26 - Kane Williamson
24 - Mahmudullah

GOAT for a reason!
 
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It's odd that Babar fandom is at its peak now when now he's not even remotely close to the period (2018-2022) when he was actually in red hot form.

People chanting Babar in the stadium, clapping at dismissals beforehand and leaving as soon as he gets out has to be epic jaahil level.
 
Energy said:
It's odd that Babar fandom is at its peak now when now he's not even remotely close to the period (2018-2022) when he was actually in red hot form.

People chanting Babar in the stadium, clapping at dismissals beforehand and leaving as soon as he gets out has to be epic jaahil level.
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I’m pretty sure it’s contrived to an extent. They may well be jahils, but jahils with a bit more pocket money.

Who remembers the Zimbabar chants in the last WT20?
 
daytrader said:
Who cares when the last hundred was. He's past that hurdle and will be back to his best especially now that he can play pressure free from hating critics like you and your likes. You guys tried spreading your hate filled agenda but yeh awaam andhi nahi. Instead, you've only witnessed the love Babar gets once he comes to the crease. We know Babar's the best from Pakistan and our awaam fully backs him. Why can't you see the obvious that even lay freshies can see. So seriously the only question is, what is wrong with you???
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Not happening any time soon
 
Local.Dada said:
I don’t get it with Babar- has a great technique and balance, has all the shots and timing , has no real weaknesses- I mean 1-2 chinks every batsman has but no real glaring weakness, can play spin and fast fairly well, can play defense or attack. From temparament too doesn’t seem to be an outright choker.

Never seen a batsman who looks so complete yet so limited and timid.
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I agree with you, that’s why seeing him struggle so much is all the more frustrating.

But, with Babar, it’s all about mindset. He does not back himself anymore. His first instinct is to survive. It’s unfortunate that all this talent and technique has been gifted to an individual with such a weak mentality.
 
Energy said:
It's odd that Babar fandom is at its peak now when now he's not even remotely close to the period (2018-2022) when he was actually in red hot form.

People chanting Babar in the stadium, clapping at dismissals beforehand and leaving as soon as he gets out has to be epic jaahil level.
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Good observation.

Here my opinion - The general public that used to watch and follow cricket back in 2018 was much more aware and educated about the game. This could be largely due to Pakistan team still producing good quality cricket every now and then which kept the fanbase intact.

Since 2022, those kind of followers have largely lost interest in the team for obvious reasons. Pakistan hasn’t kept up with world cricket and the results have been there for all to see.

Now, the people who pack the stadiums are mainly from this TikTok generation that don’t really understand the game as well. They are more interested in watching their fav social media celebrity and create some viral reels off of that.

Babar is popular on social media. Fans want to watch him for that. These fans don’t understand and also don’t really care about the teams’ performance or results as much either.
 
Snowflake said:
Good observation.

Here my opinion - The general public that used to watch and follow cricket back in 2018 was much more aware and educated about the game. This could be largely due to Pakistan team still producing good quality cricket every now and then which kept the fanbase intact.

Since 2022, those kind of followers have largely lost interest in the team for obvious reasons. Pakistan hasn’t kept up with world cricket and the results have been there for all to see.

Now, the people who pack the stadiums are mainly from this TikTok generation that don’t really understand the game as well. They are more interested in watching their fav social media celebrity and create some viral reels off of that.

Babar is popular on social media. Fans want to watch him for that. These fans don’t understand and also don’t really care about the teams’ performance or results as much either.
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Fair points and yes it counts for some of the “fans”, but that still doesn’t explain some of the fans and even ex players who should know better.

Rameez, Amir Sohail and even Waqar Younis to an extent. There is either some General bias, regional bias or paid up bias.

And some of these die hard fans like the ones on this thread - something h definitely up there. We’re all partial to certain players, but happy to criticise when it’s warranted.

I was a fan of Naseem, but very critical of him now, even back in the day I was a big fan of Inzi, but when he started showing some of his stroppy and cowardly behaviour I criticised him too.

There is some kind of sweetener some of these guys are getting to not even find one criticism of him
 
Snowflake said:
Would never wish that. I long to see the OG Babar that oozed confidence and looked like a gun player.

He’s a shadow of himself these days
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He's faced unjust criticism for the longest time. Now he knows the fans are behind him and even all the pundits that were criticizing him earlier are also supporting him now. He's got some runs so hopefully the confidence stays
 
daytrader said:
He's faced unjust criticism for the longest time. Now he knows the fans are behind him and even all the pundits that were criticizing him earlier are also supporting him now. He's got some runs so hopefully the confidence stays
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I don’t think the criticism has been unjust.

In fact, I think the backing he’s now getting is undeserved
 
daytrader said:
He's faced unjust criticism for the longest time. Now he knows the fans are behind him and even all the pundits that were criticizing him earlier are also supporting him now. He's got some runs so hopefully the confidence stays
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I don't see how scoring against Zimbabwe or weak teams at home is answering his critics. Even his harshest critics admitted he can score against Zimbabwe and in meaningless tournaments.

His two innings haven't answered the main criticism against him, which is whether he can adapt to the modern way of playing LOIs.

If he cannot explode even against Zimbabwe or this weak Sri Lankan team, he is unlikely to do so against stronger teams in bigger tournaments.
 
Sachin fan said:
I don't see how scoring against Zimbabwe or weak teams at home is answering his critics. Even his harshest critics admitted he can score against Zimbabwe and in meaningless tournaments.

His two innings haven't answered the main criticism against him, which is whether he can adapt to the modern way of playing LOIs.

If he cannot explode even against Zimbabwe or this weak Sri Lankan team, he is unlikely to do so against stronger teams in bigger tournaments.
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The test was to see if he is still prolific enough to be crowned as ZimBabar or he has become far worse & now they need to rename him on Nepal or Uganda.
As it turns out he is still the father of Zimbabwe just like Kohli is of Pakistan & Head is of India. Hence all these celebrations & jubilations from the fandom.
 
Sachin fan said:
I don't see how scoring against Zimbabwe or weak teams at home is answering his critics. Even his harshest critics admitted he can score against Zimbabwe and in meaningless tournaments.

His two innings haven't answered the main criticism against him, which is whether he can adapt to the modern way of playing LOIs.

If he cannot explode even against Zimbabwe or this weak Sri Lankan team, he is unlikely to do so against stronger teams in bigger tournaments.
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He played a series deciding innings in the last series against South Africa. And against Zimbabwe he scored 42 off the his last 20 balls. That's explosive enough.

For a team like Pakistan that's collapse prone, Babar's runs are really valuable. We can easily play more explosive players around him.
 
daytrader said:
He played a series deciding innings in the last series against South Africa. And against Zimbabwe he scored 42 off the his last 20 balls. That's explosive enough.

For a team like Pakistan that's collapse prone, Babar's runs are really valuable. We can easily play more explosive players around him.
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So, he gets to play safe and stat pad whilst everyone else around him take risks?
 
Babar scored 0 against ZImbabwe, PEOPLE BE LIKE : he could not even score against zimbabwe, weak bowlers bla bla

Now he scored top runs and still people are doing bhangra and jumping in anger like someone made then sit on hot plate...

You guys will never be happy no matter what... People like you deserve salman and talat and khushdils....
 
BouncerGuy said:
Babar scored 0 against ZImbabwe, PEOPLE BE LIKE : he could not even score against zimbabwe, weak bowlers bla bla

Now he scored top runs and still people are doing bhangra and jumping in anger like someone made then sit on hot plate...

You guys will never be happy no matter what... People like you deserve salman and talat and khushdils....
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No when he made his spectacular quack quack, we were saying he’s not even Zimbabar anymore.

Now that he played one decent innings against ZIMBABWE, we’re saying he’s half zimbababar, half quack machine
 
TheSultan said:
No when he made his spectacular quack quack, we were saying he’s not even Zimbabar anymore.

Now that he played one decent innings against ZIMBABWE, we’re saying he’s half zimbababar, half quack machine
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Say the same about others players who failed to even performa against Zimbabwe now... Talk about saim
talk about salman... Come on
 
BouncerGuy said:
Say the same about others players who failed to even performa against Zimbabwe now... Talk about saim
talk about salman... Come on
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Aap hain na? Aap kaafi hain!

You’ve been trying to bring these players down since the NZ series earlier this year.

No one has stopped you in your efforts bro.
 
Rana said:
Aap hain na? Aap kaafi hain!

You’ve been trying to bring these players down since the NZ series earlier this year.

No one has stopped you in your efforts bro.
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You closed your eyes in these cases so yeah.... I am here to remove the glue from your eyes...
 
BouncerGuy said:
You closed your eyes in these cases so yeah.... I am here to remove the glue from your eyes...
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From your POV, you should know I will not open then having suffered 4-5 years of nonsense with Babar and Rizwan opening in T20s

Enough is enough.

Nothing you say to justify them will be deemed credible.
 
Rana said:
From your POV, you should know I will not open then having suffered 4-5 years of nonsense with Babar and Rizwan opening in T20s

Enough is enough.

Nothing you say to justify them will be deemed credible.
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Who is asking for rizbabar to open..??
 
Rana said:
This is the problem

You don’t even know what you are asking for buddy.

Nor do you know the implications of what will happen when you get what you are asking for.
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I am asking why Babar is criticized for similar strike to what your current lot has..

Salman is the worst of them all
 
BouncerGuy said:
I am asking why Babar is criticized for similar strike to what your current lot has..

Salman is the worst of them all
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I would like to respectfully tell you to let it go. Your asking for Agha to be treated equally to Babar and Rizwan knowing full well that Agha doesn’t bat in the positions were RizBar have exploited T20 cricket. You should only be targeting the openers of Pakistan cricket if you want justice and equality for RizBar. That’s your area of concern. You have no business targeting those who bat in the middle/lower order to justify RizBar. Those two cowards shirked away from this responsibility for over 4 years.
 
Rana said:
I would like to respectfully tell you to let it go. Your asking for Agha to be treated equally to Babar and Rizwan knowing full well that Agha doesn’t bat in the positions were RizBar have exploited T20 cricket. You should only be targeting the openers of Pakistan cricket if you want justice and equality for RizBar. That’s your area of concern. You have no business targeting those who bat in the middle/lower order to justify RizBar. Those two cowards shirked away from this responsibility for over 4 years.
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Tell me about openers then...

Why the run rate in powerplay is still 7.3????
 
BouncerGuy said:
Show me 1 post where you talked about this issues??
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Because I don’t see it as an issue. Why would I post about it? I would much rather have T20 openers who take the risk needed in T20 to open the innings. Not frauds like Babar and Rizwan!

I will start talking about it when frauds like RizBar are made to open in T20s. Crap players like Haseebullah or Abdullah Shafique. Another one coming up is Azaan Awais.

That’s when you will see me in action. That’s when you will see me disgrace RizBar again.
 
Rana said:
Because I don’t see it as an issue. Why would I post about it? I would much rather have T20 openers who take the risk needed in T20 to open the innings. Not frauds like Babar and Rizwan!

I will start talking about it when frauds like RizBar are made to open in T20s. Crap players like Haseebullah or Abdullah Shafique. Another one coming up is Azaan Awais.

That’s when you will see me in action. That’s when you will see me disgrace RizBar again.
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So it was an issue when rizbabar were playing but not now...

your hypocrisy is next level...

Good luck man.. you are beyond repair. Carry on supporting mediocrity..
 
cricketfan24 said:
No other player has had 20 million chances like how babar and rizwan has had
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Also, no other players get revered in Pak than these two for the past performances on slow tracks.

The reason why many are more critical to Babar + Rizwan combo is 1) they are declining 2) there are better options available who have the POTENTIAL of having higher SR 3) they don’t dictate boards what position they wanna play, i.e, I wanna play at 4 Rizwan. Enough of these shenanigans!

Many fans are getting fed up of Babar + Rizwan alliance. As simple as that. This combo has built a persona of selfishness.
 
These guys that hate Babar fall into a couple of categories

1) Fans with low cricketing IQ. They call him Zimbabar but they don't even know that his record isn't even good against Zimbabwe. Majority of his runs are against bigger sides.
2)Fell for the Inidan X accounts that tried to diminish his efforts when he was in form and being mentioned with the likes of Kohli
3) Jealous of his enormous fame or success

Pakistanis are self-hating sometimes.
 
Another reason is regional bias.

Note: My family is from Karachi so I can say this
 
salman24 said:
1) Fans with low cricketing IQ. They call him Zimbabar but they don't even know that his record isn't even good against Zimbabwe. Majority of his runs are against bigger sides.
2)Fell for the Inidan X accounts that tried to diminish his efforts when he was in form and being mentioned with the likes of Kohli
3) Jealous of his enormous fame or success

Pakistanis are self-hating sometimes.
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4. We’ve watched enough to know a fraud when we see one.

Why would anyone be jealous of babar and Rizwan. They are not our peers lol
 
salman24 said:
Another reason is regional bias.

Note: My family is from Karachi so I can say this
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This is out of line. I am from Karachi originally, and totally back Fakhar, Farhan, Mohamed Waseem,... etc. I have ZERO bias. I dunno if there is any Karachi player who I back that MUST be in a team. I criticize Saim who is from Karachi. Stop this nonsense.
 
TheSultan said:
4. We’ve watched enough to know a fraud when we see one.

Why would anyone be jealous of babar and Rizwan. They are not our peers lol
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Guys in this boat always have the argument that they don't understand why is he is called King or why he is repspected so much. You guys claim to know more than all the experts around the world that recognize his talent.

Only guys criticizing him are the ones that get jobs to be on tv through cheap views doing that or run X or Youtube channels that get views by bashing him.

Here is a another logical argument. If he is indeed a statpadder and fraud, why is it that most times he scores 50+ the team wins. If that was the case, when he scores Pakistan's win rate would be low. Obviously you won't have a logical answer to that.
 
CricVet said:
This is out of line. I am from Karachi originally, and totally back Fakhar, Farhan, Mohamed Waseem,... etc. I have ZERO bias. I dunno if there is any Karachi player who I back that MUST be in a team. I criticize Saim who is from Karachi. Stop this nonsense.
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I didn't say you did it but there are people that fall in that category. My family is all from there. Denying that it exists is being childish.

It's not exclusive to Karachi. Other regions are also biased.
 
salman24 said:
Guys in this boat always have the argument that they don't understand why is he is called King or why he is repspected so much. You guys claim to know more than all the experts around the world that recognize his talent.

Only guys criticizing him are the ones that get jobs to be on tv through cheap views doing that or run X or Youtube channels that get views by bashing him.

Here is an another logical argument. If he is indeed a statpadder and fraud, why is it that most times he scores 50+ the team wins. If that was the case, when he scores Pakistan's win rate would be low. Obviously you won't have a logical answer to that.
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No offence, but you guys are starting to sound like Indian Sachin cult coming out with random statements from people calling him “King” etc.

And random statements like “ven he make 50, ve vin”. What nonsense is that? Take the last match - he made - 50 and Farhan made an even better 50 at a better strike rate - who’s is more valuable? Don’t piggy back off other performances to make Babar look good.

Honestly, it’s such a shame our fans have become just like the sachinista Indian fans clutching at straws to prop up their hero.

What a shame. Now go and reflect on what you’ve become
 
Adnan_Ilyas said:
Not many other Pakistani batsman have scored centuries againsts almost all the Test playing nations, including New Zealand, Australia, England etc
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Which format are you talking about? I don't think there are many people who have anything to say against him in test or ODI cricket.
 
TheSultan said:
No offence, but you guys are starting to sound like Indian Sachin cult coming out with random statements from people calling him “King” etc.

And random statements like “ven he make 50, ve vin”. What nonsense is that? Take the last match - he made - 50 and Farhan made an even better 50 at a better strike rate - who’s is more valuable? Don’t piggy back off other performances to make Babar look good.

Honestly, it’s such a shame our fans have become just like the sachinista Indian fans clutching at straws to prop up their hero.

What a shame. Now go and reflect on what you’ve become
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So you have no answer. That's what I thought lol. No solid fact or stats. Got it.
 
hassan918 said:
Which format are you talking about? I don't think there are many people who have anything to say against him in test or ODI cricket.
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I don't think you read this forum enough. There are people who have problems with Babar in every format.

Some of these people even think Asif Ali should be Captain and Younis Khan was a great ODI batter. The double standards, hypocrisy and wild statements are out of control brother.
 
salman24 said:
So you have no answer. That's what I thought lol. No solid fact or stats. Got it.
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What exactly are your facts? That babar is called King by some - yea cheers mate.

And just to prove your nonsense about “ven he score phipty, ve vin”

What happened against NZ CT 2025? 64 off 90 balls in a humiliating loss. Did “we vin that game”?

Pakistan have won the majority of their games since the CT and most of them without Babar. Not only that, in the matches he’s played, he’s had only 3 decent scores. How did we ever win all the other games without King Barbara? 😱

we don’t need him and your arguments are basically: let me clutch at the latest straw. Pure sachinista behaviour. Have some self respect and start acting like a Pakistani
 
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TheSultan said:
What exactly are your facts? That babar is called King by some - yea cheers mate.

And just to prove your nonsense about “ven he score phipty, ve vin”

What happened against NZ CT 2025? 64 off 90 balls in a humiliating loss. Did “we vin that game”?

Pakistan have won the majority of their games since the CT and most of them without Babar. Not only that, in the matches he’s played, he’s had only 3 decent scores. How did we ever win all the other games without King Barbara? 😱

we don’t need him and your arguments are basically: let me clutch at the latest straw. Pure sachinista behaviour. Have some self respect and start acting like a Pakistani
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Lol, facts are stats. He is one of the most prolific scorers and breaks records for fun.

Come with numbers to support your criticism. If it’s just naming a random match here and there, then I question your cricketing IQ. No matter how great a player is, they can’t win every match. No such player has ever existed in history, and all players have their highs and lows.

Not sure what you achieve by misspelling words. I can guarantee I have a better command of the English language than you, if that’s what you’re trying to insinuate. You can keep replying to try to win the argument and have the last word, but facts and numbers are against you. Continue with your childish arguments.

By the way, you’re not acting like a Pakistani and are peddling Indian arguments to demean Babar. You act like we have 50 world-class batsmen. You’re probably a kid, but we’ve never had a batsman in the last 50 years who consistently ranked number one across different formats.

ICC Rankings:
Best Rank: #1 in ODIs & T20Is (numerous times), #2 in Tests

Records (to name a few):
  • Fastest to 5,000 ODI runs (97 innings)
  • Only player with two streaks of 3 consecutive ODI centuries
  • Most fours in T20I career (440+)
  • Highest career ODI average among active players
Answer one question since stats are to hard for you to comprehend or respond to. Name one basman who has achieved all this. Even if you find one, doesn't that still put him up there with the best?

I expect you to respond by misspelling words, talking about an obscure match in a tournament or mentioning the word "sachinista." I'm hoping by some miracle you have a coherent and logical argument but Babar haters are incapable of doing that.
 
salman24 said:
Lol, facts are stats. He is one of the most prolific scorers and breaks records for fun.

Come with numbers to support your criticism. If it’s just naming a random match here and there, then I question your cricketing IQ. No matter how great a player is, they can’t win every match. No such player has ever existed in history, and all players have their highs and lows.

Not sure what you achieve by misspelling words. I can guarantee I have a better command of the English language than you, if that’s what you’re trying to insinuate. You can keep replying to try to win the argument and have the last word, but facts and numbers are against you. Continue with your childish arguments.

By the way, you’re not acting like a Pakistani and are peddling Indian arguments to demean Babar. You act like we have 50 world-class batsmen. You’re probably a kid, but we’ve never had a batsman in the last 50 years who consistently ranked number one across different formats.

ICC Rankings:
Best Rank: #1 in ODIs & T20Is (numerous times), #2 in Tests

Records (to name a few):
  • Fastest to 5,000 ODI runs (97 innings)
  • Only player with two streaks of 3 consecutive ODI centuries
  • Most fours in T20I career (440+)
  • Highest career ODI average among active players
Answer one question since stats are to hard for you to comprehend or respond to. Name one basman who has achieved all this. Even if you find one, doesn't that still put him up there with the best?

I expect you to respond by misspelling words, talking about an obscure match in a tournament or mentioning the word "sachinista." I'm hoping by some miracle you have a coherent and logical argument but Babar haters are incapable of doing that.
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Ok genius, you walked in to this one. Everyone knows Babar Stat Padded against B,C teams and minnows. The rest of the world didn’t bother playing a lot of bilaterals which impacts guess what? Rankings….correct.

My hypothesis is Babar can only stat pad against weakened or uninterested teams. He’s a champion (or at least used to be) in those type of matches.

So now let’s test this. Teams play their full strength teams in World or Regional tournaments? Is that correct or is it a lie. Now for our stat padder extraordinaire, these tournaments are the perfect way to shut up all these “jealous” haters like @TheSultan @Rana @topspin etc.

Tell me how he fared in all tournaments over the last 4 years
 
TheSultan said:
Ok genius, you walked in to this one. Everyone knows Babar Stat Padded against B,C teams and minnows. The rest of the world didn’t bother playing a lot of bilaterals which impacts guess what? Rankings….correct.

My hypothesis is Babar can only stat pad against weakened or uninterested teams. He’s a champion (or at least used to be) in those type of matches.

So now let’s test this. Teams play their full strength teams in World or Regional tournaments? Is that correct or is it a lie. Now for our stat padder extraordinaire, these tournaments are the perfect way to shut up all these “jealous” haters like @TheSultan @Rana @topspin etc.

Tell me how he fared in all tournaments over the last 4 years
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Again cherrypicking matches or talking about subjective/ He has had a lean patch lately and no one is denying that.

ICC World Cup 2021 (UAE)
  • Runs: 303 in 6 innings
  • Average: 60.6 | Strike Rate: 126.2
  • 50s: 4 | HS: 70
  • Highlights:
    • Top run-scorer of the tournament
    • Key innings: 68* vs India (historic 10-wicket win)

ICC ODI World Cup 2023 (India)
  • Runs: 320 in 9 innings
  • Average: 40.0 | Strike Rate: 82.9
  • 50s: 4 | HS: 74

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Asia Cup 2023 (ODI)
  • Runs: 207 in 4 innings
  • Average: 51.75 | Strike Rate: 97.6


He wasn't his usual self stiill did alright in the tournaments above despite failing in others. Again I'm entertaining you but you can't judge players by individual tournaments or else Inzi, Yousuf etc. failed miserably in the 2003 and 2007 World Cups. I rate those 2 highly and so do most sane people.

Anyway how many legends have won a World Cup match against India? I'll help you none. Cherrypicking doesn't prove anything. You probably called the SA side that beat Pakistan in tests a B/C team too but most of those same players are destroying India now. Anyway regardless of what you say people will forget all the nonsense you haters spewed and Babar will break most of the Pakistani records and many other records like he does. He will be remembered as a legend and you guys can keep crying "sachinista", "ve vin", "zimbabar", "talunt", "Asif Ali Captain" and whatever other nonsense you'll come up with lol

Have a good day.
 
salman24 said:
Again cherrypicking matches or talking about subjective/ He has had a lean patch lately and no one is denying that.

ICC World Cup 2021 (UAE)
  • Runs: 303 in 6 innings
  • Average: 60.6 | Strike Rate: 126.2
  • 50s: 4 | HS: 70
  • Highlights:
    • Top run-scorer of the tournament
    • Key innings: 68* vs India (historic 10-wicket win)

ICC ODI World Cup 2023 (India)
  • Runs: 320 in 9 innings
  • Average: 40.0 | Strike Rate: 82.9
  • 50s: 4 | HS: 74

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Asia Cup 2023 (ODI)
  • Runs: 207 in 4 innings
  • Average: 51.75 | Strike Rate: 97.6


He wasn't his usual self stiill did alright in the tournaments above despite failing in others. Again I'm entertaining you but you can't judge players by individual tournaments or else Inzi, Yousuf etc. failed miserably in the 2003 and 2007 World Cups. I rate those 2 highly and so do most sane people.

Anyway how many legends have won a World Cup match against India? I'll help you none. Cherrypicking doesn't prove anything. You probably called the SA side that beat Pakistan in tests a B/C team too but most of those same players are destroying India now. Anyway regardless of what you say people will forget all the nonsense you haters spewed and Babar will break most of the Pakistani records and many other records like he does. He will be remembered as a legend and you guys can keep crying "sachinista", "ve vin", "zimbabar", "talunt", "Asif Ali Captain" and whatever other nonsense you'll come up with lol

Have a good day.
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Wait bro - where you going Lol?

I must say, very selective stats. It’s as if half the tournaments didn’t happen! 🤣

What about Asia Cup 2022?

World T20 2022 (Australia)?

Asia Cup 2023 (not including Nepal lol)

World T20 2024?

Champions Trophy 2025?

Come on bro - you’re the evidence and stats man.

Tell me those stats! Be quick!
 
TheSultan said:
Wait bro - where you going Lol?

I must say, very selective stats. It’s as if half the tournaments didn’t happen! 🤣

What about Asia Cup 2022?

World T20 2022 (Australia)?

Asia Cup 2023 (not including Nepal lol)

World T20 2024?

Champions Trophy 2025.

Come on bro - your the evidence and stats man.

Tell me those stats! Be quick!
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I only told you the ones he did well in because you acted like he failed in every tournament in the last 4 years. Answer my questions.

Like I said, we can all cherrypick stats. Look at his overall stats. He is the KING.

Also answer the question of what our legends did in the 2003 and 2007 World Cup. Also has any legend won against India in a World Cup before?

You can bring the low moments of any player. Like I said stop being jealous. Babar will be a legend and you'll be crying till he retires haha!
 
salman24 said:
I only told you the ones he did well in because you acted like he failed in every tournament in the last 4 years. Answer my questions.

Like I said, we can all cherrypick stats. Look at his overall stats. He is the KING.

Also answer the question of what our legends did in the 2003 and 2007 World Cup. Also has any legend won against India in a World Cup before?

You can bring the low moments of any player. Like I said stop being jealous. Babar will be a legend and you'll be crying till he retires haha!
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Sorry my friend, you wanted facts and stats, now it doesn’t suit you, you want to talk about other stuff.

These are not low “moments”. This is a consistent pattern in every single tournament since 2021. Yes I’ll grant he had a decent tournament in that 2021 wt20, and I appreciate his effort against India, but unfortunately he failed when it mattered most in the knock out semi.

There’s no point comparing with yousuf and Inzi. I agree they could have played better in the 2003 and 2007 WCs, but Inzi already played a significant part in the 92 win. And when they performed in bilaterals they weren’t facing B and C teams. They used to face full strength teams.

Not only that, these two both averaged approximately 50 in tests. You did a shade over and Inzi a shade under. Their legendary status is based on their test exploits and a good ODI record is the cherry on top.

Babar’s test record is abysmal. His average has dropped to 42. He hasn’t scored a test century in ages - hasn’t even broken double figures.

Sorry you can’t build a legacy as some sort of king with such a pathetic test record and over inflated ODI record without any meaningful contribution in tournaments.

Thanks for reading, take your L and move on
 
TheSultan said:
Sorry my friend, you wanted facts and stats, now it doesn’t suit you, you want to talk about other stuff.

These are not low “moments”. This is a consistent pattern in every single tournament since 2021. Yes I’ll grant he had a decent tournament in that 2021 wt20, and I appreciate his effort against India, but unfortunately he failed when it mattered most in the knock out semi.

There’s no point comparing with yousuf and Inzi. I agree they could have played better in the 2003 and 2007 WCs, but Inzi already played a significant part in the 92 win. And when they performed in bilaterals they weren’t facing B and C teams. They used to face full strength teams.

Not only that, these two both averaged approximately 50 in tests. You did a shade over and Inzi a shade under. Their legendary status is based on their test exploits and a good ODI record is the cherry on top.

Babar’s test record is abysmal. His average has dropped to 42. He hasn’t scored a test century in ages - hasn’t even broken double figures.

Sorry you can’t build a legacy as some sort of king with such a pathetic test record and over inflated ODI record without any meaningful contribution in tournaments.

Thanks for reading, take your L and move on
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lol I only mentioned facts and stats. You can take the L because you’ll never win with Babar’s stats and his records. You can only talk about subjective stuff and cherry-pick what you want to talk about. Sorry for ruining your day little buddy.
 
salman24 said:
lol I only mentioned facts and stats. You can take the L because you’ll never win with Babar’s stats and his records. You can only talk about subjective stuff and cherry-pick what you want to talk about. Sorry for ruining your day little buddy.
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Bro forget Babar. The only proper ODI batter to ever play for Pakistan or shall I say play with Pakistan was :yk

@Rana logic
 
salman24 said:
lol I only mentioned facts and stats. You can take the L because you’ll never win with Babar’s stats and his records. You can only talk about subjective stuff and cherry-pick what you want to talk about. Sorry for ruining your day little buddy.
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Subjective stuff? Hmm ok mate. You wanted a stats debate. And now you don’t like those stats. There’s no point crying now - be a man about it.
 
gazza619 said:
Bro forget Babar. The only proper ODI batter to ever play for Pakistan or shall I say play with Pakistan was :yk

@Rana logic
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What a sorry state of affairs for you.

Having suffered years of torment, embarrassment and humiliation being the fool who defended 2 kori players like Babar and Rizwan,

Now looking for some respite at picking a subject that literally makes NO DIFFERENCE to anyone’s life. What change will come to your unfortunate situation by proving YK was great or not in ODI cricket? It still doesn’t change the fact that you are clueless about cricket in general :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
gazza619 said:
Bro forget Babar. The only proper ODI batter to ever play for Pakistan or shall I say play with Pakistan was :yk

@Rana logic
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These guys live in an alternate reality bro. There people who score a lot suck and people that can’t score are greats that’s the only reason they hate Babar because he will go on to become the highest run scorer for Pakistan overall iA.
 
TheSultan said:
Subjective stuff? Hmm ok mate. You wanted a stats debate. And now you don’t like those stats. There’s no point crying now - be a man about it.
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You didn’t provide any stats . Some people post just for the sake of saying something lol.
 
TheSultan said:
No offence, but you guys are starting to sound like Indian Sachin cult coming out with random statements from people calling him “King” etc.

And random statements like “ven he make 50, ve vin”. What nonsense is that? Take the last match - he made - 50 and Farhan made an even better 50 at a better strike rate - who’s is more valuable? Don’t piggy back off other performances to make Babar look good.

Honestly, it’s such a shame our fans have become just like the sachinista Indian fans clutching at straws to prop up their hero.

What a shame. Now go and reflect on what you’ve become
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Since you guys make it about Farhan vs Babar, the last match is a poor example and completely contradicts your point of Babar piggy backing. Cricinfo rated Babar as it's most impactful player of the match. Farhan is 3rd on the list
 
daytrader said:
Since you guys make it about Farhan vs Babar, the last match is a poor example and completely contradicts your point of Babar piggy backing. Cricinfo rated Babar as it's most impactful player of the match. Farhan is 3rd on the list
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But but but Babar statpadded but but but Farhn played a great knock but but but it is all babar's fault that Pakistani openers are going at 7.3 run per over in powerplay in 2025...
 
daytrader said:
Since you guys make it about Farhan vs Babar, the last match is a poor example and completely contradicts your point of Babar piggy backing. Cricinfo rated Babar as it's most impactful player of the match. Farhan is 3rd on the list
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Cricinfo!! 🤣

Sorry mate, we rely on what we saw with our eyes, not what’s written on a website.

So the counter arguments are:

1. Younis Khan wasn’t a great ODI Batsman
2. Crapinfo told me Babar was better

Do better. Honestly, Sayacorps must start paying more
 
Babar Azam is basically the batting version of Waqar Younis. A mental midget who buckles at the slightest hint of pressure much like Waqar used to (96' WC vs India, 03' WC vs Australia and India). Both of them have good stats in ODI cricket thanks to bashing lesser teams while going missing against better teams and in big tournaments. Having said that, Younis Khan was an even more horrendous ODI batsman than Babar. So bad that even Pakistani fans used to curse him back then when he played ODI cricket. It's a mystery how he played so many ODI matches for Pakistan.​
 
TheSultan said:
That’s the whole point lol. I didn’t need to. You wanted to talk about stats so I challenged you to provide some. What did you do, cherrypick!

Manz even came out with Asia cup 2023 you know! Mixing in the Nepal innings which bumped up his average!


Babar’s performances in ICC tournaments since 2021:

Asia Cup 2022 - horrendous
T20 WC 2022 - horrendous
Asia Cup 2023 - horrendous apart from against Nepal 🥴
WC 2023 - horrendous (we even had to suffer the ignominy of being called “timid”
T20 WC 2024 - horrendous
CT 2025 - horrendous

this is your King! Failing when it matters most.

As I said, take the L and move on.
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ALso look for Fakhar Zaman's stats meanwhile
 
Rana said:
What a sorry state of affairs for you.

Having suffered years of torment, embarrassment and humiliation being the fool who defended 2 kori players like Babar and Rizwan,

Now looking for some respite at picking a subject that literally makes NO DIFFERENCE to anyone’s life. What change will come to your unfortunate situation by proving YK was great or not in ODI cricket? It still doesn’t change the fact that you are clueless about cricket in general :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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:lol I can feel the pain you are suffering as you write this. Where is your top tier friend topspin by the way. I m missing his quality posts.
 
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