SC rejects disqualification petition against Imran Khan, Jahangir Tareen disqualified [Post #39]

[yasir]

SC is becoming dangerously strong, Is this the new vision of Army? Now you control politicians by Dharans and SC, make sure political institutions never get developed?

The way SC talks is arrogant, lot of non democratic institutions and actors are getting too powerful, they are not accountable to any body, that's not how you solve the corruption issue. If you are going to feed the beast, he will come after you. Army is again shaping the vision of Pakistan, where they are the key players and making sure nothing else gets established. Like they cycle through freedom fighters(they keep finding new work force all the time, it's always they end up hiring bad people and ideology, its just they get unlucky all the time, never had bad intentions), they will be keep cycling through politicians, they want to keep strings in their hands, nobody is there to challenge them. This is how they are playing this game for last 4 decades. We are never going to be democratic society nor a prosperous one

 

[www787]

SC is becoming dangerously strong, Is this the new vision of Army? Now you control politicians by Dharans and SC, make sure political institutions never get developed?

The way SC talks is arrogant, lot of non democratic institutions and actors are getting too powerful, they are not accountable to any body, that's not how you solve the corruption issue. If you are going to feed the beast, he will come after you. Army is again shaping the vision of Pakistan, where they are the key players and making sure nothing else gets established. Like they cycle through freedom fighters(they keep finding new work force all the time, it's always they end up hiring bad people and ideology, its just they get unlucky all the time, never had bad intentions), they will be keep cycling through politicians, they want to keep strings in their hands, nobody is there to challenge them. This is how they are playing this game for last 4 decades. We are never going to be democratic society nor a prosperous one

Both NS and IK case were elementary cases. One was able to provide the money trail, and didn't get disqualified. The other was not even with forged documents and was disqualified.

Healthy democracy mean everyone is accountable, and this was the perfect case of healthy democracy.

 

[MMHS]

Political sacrifice?????? JKT actually was born in Bangladesh.

 

[Bewal Express]

SC is becoming dangerously strong, Is this the new vision of Army? Now you control politicians by Dharans and SC, make sure political institutions never get developed?

The way SC talks is arrogant, lot of non democratic institutions and actors are getting too powerful, they are not accountable to any body, that's not how you solve the corruption issue. If you are going to feed the beast, he will come after you. Army is again shaping the vision of Pakistan, where they are the key players and making sure nothing else gets established. Like they cycle through freedom fighters(they keep finding new work force all the time, it's always they end up hiring bad people and ideology, its just they get unlucky all the time, never had bad intentions), they will be keep cycling through politicians, they want to keep strings in their hands, nobody is there to challenge them. This is how they are playing this game for last 4 decades. We are never going to be democratic society nor a prosperous one

Not with criminal politicians around. Maybe your assertions would have more credence if the politicians werent part of family businesses and didnt hold cabinet meetings in London to save corrupt, discredited politicians from accountability.

 

[WebGuru]

 

[yasir]

Both NS and IK case were elementary cases. One was able to provide the money trail, and didn't get disqualified. The other was not even with forged documents and was disqualified.

Healthy democracy mean everyone is accountable, and this was the perfect case of healthy democracy.

Not with criminal politicians around. Maybe your assertions would have more credence if the politicians werent part of family businesses and didnt hold cabinet meetings in London to save corrupt, discredited politicians from accountability.

I am not against accountability, but the method Pakistan is following is fundamentally flawed. You have to invest and strengthen democratic institutions, people are the ultimate auditors of politicians not Army or Judges, you cannot give control of institutions to Army. It has not worked for 4 decades, people don't believe in democracy anymore, we can keep flirting with democracy, this illusion of democracy has not worked anywhere in the world. Nowhere democracy has been successful when it is over powered by non-democratic institutions. People are and should decide the future of politicians, if we are not building our system like that, we are making something else not a democratic Pakistan...

What is the record of Army in last 4 decades? - We have worse law and order situation in the world, considering how much we spend on Army. All there investments are only protecting their jobs, they have made Pakistan a Sectarian war zone, Pakistan is heaven for any Muslim extremist group to try out their latest theory. They had one job to make an environment where business can prosperous, Pakistan has ton of young work force. No one reason nobody wants to invest in Pakistan (even we the Pakistanis) is because Army has messed up big time, Pakistan is a war zone, its all control by one institution, if you think Politicians are party in that, then you know nothing about how Pakistan works... Army is in no position to tell anybody that they are corrupt, they are worse ones, I don't mind if they come through election, atleast people can do something about them. They have made election irrelevant. In foresee able future, election has no meanings, policies and vision of Army will continue to drive the country, unfortunately we cannot vote them out either


History of SC is also very shady, they have always been puppet, they have no power to do anything anyway. I have very little respect for both Army and SC. If we are so fed-up with democracy, then why we are keeping coming back to politicans, lets Army and bureaucrat run the country, why keep talking about Rotten Western System of Governing the country, Army is so loyal and patriot, they have always done right decisions

 

[Bewal Express]

The army is not perfect and has made some terrible errors but 2 families ruling over an uneducated population with a policy of smoke and mirrors is also not the answer. Democracy is not just about votes, its the thought processes of the governing elite, its the spirit of wanting to serve the public selflessly. None of the attributes that are associated with democracy have any foothold in the family businesses.
As far as the SC goes, are you saying that NS is not corrupt? If you are saying that then like all the Nooras on the forum, you are beyond the stage of redemption and if you accept he is corrupt, then the SC is right on this occasion.
As far as IK goes, he may be the leader that finally cares for his people and not his Swiss bank accounts or he may be absolutely useless. But we will only know once he has been in power.

 

[www787]

I am not against accountability, but the method Pakistan is following is fundamentally flawed. You have to invest and strengthen democratic institutions, people are the ultimate auditors of politicians not Army or Judges, you cannot give control of institutions to Army. It has not worked for 4 decades, people don't believe in democracy anymore, we can keep flirting with democracy, this illusion of democracy has not worked anywhere in the world. Nowhere democracy has been successful when it is over powered by non-democratic institutions. People are and should decide the future of politicians, if we are not building our system like that, we are making something else not a democratic Pakistan...

What is the record of Army in last 4 decades? - We have worse law and order situation in the world, considering how much we spend on Army. All there investments are only protecting their jobs, they have made Pakistan a Sectarian war zone, Pakistan is heaven for any Muslim extremist group to try out their latest theory. They had one job to make an environment where business can prosperous, Pakistan has ton of young work force. No one reason nobody wants to invest in Pakistan (even we the Pakistanis) is because Army has messed up big time, Pakistan is a war zone, its all control by one institution, if you think Politicians are party in that, then you know nothing about how Pakistan works... Army is in no position to tell anybody that they are corrupt, they are worse ones, I don't mind if they come through election, atleast people can do something about them. They have made election irrelevant. In foresee able future, election has no meanings, policies and vision of Army will continue to drive the country, unfortunately we cannot vote them out either


History of SC is also very shady, they have always been puppet, they have no power to do anything anyway. I have very little respect for both Army and SC. If we are so fed-up with democracy, then why we are keeping coming back to politicans, lets Army and bureaucrat run the country, why keep talking about Rotten Western System of Governing the country, Army is so loyal and patriot, they have always done right decisions

To sustain a healthy democracy, need an accountability, NS and IK cases were perfect form of accountability.

PML-N is still in government, running a government, PML-N hasn’t been removed from power by an Army or SC. The corrupt individual was disqualified from PM position after the evidence provided against him by the foreign entity, not made up evidence. Many individual had to resign or fired because in various part of the world had let go because they were corrupt, not just in Pakistan.

Now please explain how democracy was not practiced in this case? You can’t have democracy without accountability. And it begins from top not bottom up in terms of eleminating corruption.

 

[saeedhk]

Jahangir Tareen should stay as the GC. It would be unfair to sideline him as his contributions to the PTI in the last four years have been only second to Imran Khan.

 

[saeedhk]

There is nothing surprising for me regarding the case of Imran Khan. Everyone Knows Imran Khan is a non-corrupt, anti-status quo & a brave politician - PPP's Aitzaz Ahsan

 

[IMMY69]

SC is becoming dangerously strong, Is this the new vision of Army? Now you control politicians by Dharans and SC, make sure political institutions never get developed?

The way SC talks is arrogant, lot of non democratic institutions and actors are getting too powerful, they are not accountable to any body, that's not how you solve the corruption issue. If you are going to feed the beast, he will come after you. Army is again shaping the vision of Pakistan, where they are the key players and making sure nothing else gets established. Like they cycle through freedom fighters(they keep finding new work force all the time, it's always they end up hiring bad people and ideology, its just they get unlucky all the time, never had bad intentions), they will be keep cycling through politicians, they want to keep strings in their hands, nobody is there to challenge them. This is how they are playing this game for last 4 decades. We are never going to be democratic society nor a prosperous one

With all due respect I would suggest you read up on what makes a strong democracy.
The Supreme Court is applying the law not making up things as they go along. A strong judiciary is one of the pillars of democracy

 

[Strike!]

When will SC now apply same standards of accountability to rest of politicians in parliament?

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is nothing surprising for me regarding the case of Imran Khan. Everyone Knows Imran Khan is a Non-Corrupt, Anti-StausQuo & a Brave Politician.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SupremeCourt?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SupremeCourt</a></p>— Ch Aitzaz Ahsan (@AitzazAhsanPK) <a href="https://twitter.com/AitzazAhsanPK/status/941668604721889286?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 15, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Bewal Express]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is nothing surprising for me regarding the case of Imran Khan. Everyone Knows Imran Khan is a Non-Corrupt, Anti-StausQuo & a Brave Politician.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SupremeCourt?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SupremeCourt</a></p>— Ch Aitzaz Ahsan (@AitzazAhsanPK) <a href="https://twitter.com/AitzazAhsanPK/status/941668604721889286?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 15, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Why has AA wasted his career with criminals like AZ.

 

[saeedhk]

Aitzaz Ahsan has always praised Imran Khan; always lauds his hard-work and determination. He is the face from PPP that I would like to see in Imran Khan's party. A top-grade lawyer and intellectual. Possesses extraordinary oratory skills.

 

[MenInG]

Little naraz I think

LONDON: Former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, reacting to Imran Khan and Jahangir Tareen's case verdict, said on Saturday that dual standard of law will not be accepted and the decision "speaks for itself".

"The decision speaks for itself," said the former prime minister while addressing media in London. "Everything we have said about double standards is being proven right."

Nawaz further said that such dual standards will not be tolerated and he would run a strong campaign against it.

“My struggle is for the supremacy of law and constitution and I will pay whatever price it takes but won’t let things continue the way they are at present.”

Referring to the Panama Papers verdict which led to his disqualification from the office of prime minister, Nawaz said, "My imaginary salary was considered an asset, but transactions worth thousands of pounds conducted through Niazi Services, which Imran Khan has confessed to himself, are not being considered as assets".

"The [Supreme Court] bench gave an explanation on Imran’s behalf," added Nawaz.


Imran Khan cleared, Jahangir Tareen disqualified by Supreme Court

"Imran petitioned against me and sat back while the bench fought the case on Imran’s behalf, however, when we petitioned against Imran, the bench became Imran’s advocate," claimed the PML-N chief.

Expressing his dissatisfaction at the Panama Papers verdict which disqualified him from holding public office, Nawaz said that a sitting prime minister was disqualified on the basis of an iqama, but an individual who has confessed [to his wrongdoings] has been let off the hook.

“This deal won’t be accepted in Pakistan,” he said. “Around two weeks back, I had said that Nawaz will be disqualified yet again in the verdict of the reference against Imran and Tareen, and that is exactly what has happened.”

Nawaz, along with his daughter Maryam, will be arriving back in Pakistan on Sunday morning.

The former prime minister had departed for London on December 4 after being exempted from appearing before the court to attend to his ailing wife Begum Kulsoom Nawaz.

The Supreme Court, in its judgment on Friday, ruled that Tareen cannot be termed honest and stands disqualified for life as per Article 62(1)(f) of the Constitution. It also said the PTI leader used suspicious terms in his statements to the court, besides not declaring his offshore company.

However, the chief justice ruled that Imran is not disqualified as a parliamentarian as the petitioner was not directly affected in the foreign funding case.

The three-member bench had reserved the verdict in the disqualification petition against the two PTI leaders on November 14.

Judgment by the apex court stated that Imran wasn't bound to declare his offshore company, declared his London flat in an amnesty scheme and that his former wife Jemima gave Imran the funds for buying the Bani Gala estate.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/172606-dual-standard-of-law-wont-be-accepted-nawaz

 

[Bewal Express]

Little naraz I think

LONDON: Former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, reacting to Imran Khan and Jahangir Tareen's case verdict, said on Saturday that dual standard of law will not be accepted and the decision "speaks for itself".

"The decision speaks for itself," said the former prime minister while addressing media in London. "Everything we have said about double standards is being proven right."

Nawaz further said that such dual standards will not be tolerated and he would run a strong campaign against it.

“My struggle is for the supremacy of law and constitution and I will pay whatever price it takes but won’t let things continue the way they are at present.”

Referring to the Panama Papers verdict which led to his disqualification from the office of prime minister, Nawaz said, "My imaginary salary was considered an asset, but transactions worth thousands of pounds conducted through Niazi Services, which Imran Khan has confessed to himself, are not being considered as assets".

"The [Supreme Court] bench gave an explanation on Imran’s behalf," added Nawaz.


Imran Khan cleared, Jahangir Tareen disqualified by Supreme Court

"Imran petitioned against me and sat back while the bench fought the case on Imran’s behalf, however, when we petitioned against Imran, the bench became Imran’s advocate," claimed the PML-N chief.

Expressing his dissatisfaction at the Panama Papers verdict which disqualified him from holding public office, Nawaz said that a sitting prime minister was disqualified on the basis of an iqama, but an individual who has confessed [to his wrongdoings] has been let off the hook.

“This deal won’t be accepted in Pakistan,” he said. “Around two weeks back, I had said that Nawaz will be disqualified yet again in the verdict of the reference against Imran and Tareen, and that is exactly what has happened.”

Nawaz, along with his daughter Maryam, will be arriving back in Pakistan on Sunday morning.

The former prime minister had departed for London on December 4 after being exempted from appearing before the court to attend to his ailing wife Begum Kulsoom Nawaz.

The Supreme Court, in its judgment on Friday, ruled that Tareen cannot be termed honest and stands disqualified for life as per Article 62(1)(f) of the Constitution. It also said the PTI leader used suspicious terms in his statements to the court, besides not declaring his offshore company.

However, the chief justice ruled that Imran is not disqualified as a parliamentarian as the petitioner was not directly affected in the foreign funding case.

The three-member bench had reserved the verdict in the disqualification petition against the two PTI leaders on November 14.

Judgment by the apex court stated that Imran wasn't bound to declare his offshore company, declared his London flat in an amnesty scheme and that his former wife Jemima gave Imran the funds for buying the Bani Gala estate.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/172606-dual-standard-of-law-wont-be-accepted-nawaz

What a loser. A pathetic, small minded individual who cannot even hold a press conference just in case his lies are exposed to his idiotic supporters. I dare NS to hold even one open press conference

 

[moghul]

What a loser. A pathetic, small minded individual who cannot even hold a press conference just in case his lies are exposed to his idiotic supporters. I dare NS to hold even one open press conference

Surprise, surprise, his brother Shehbaz is happy with decision as this verdict gave more authenticity to the supreme court decision against Nawaz and cleared the way for Shebaz to be the only candidate from ML to run for PM.

 

[moghul]

What a loser. A pathetic, small minded individual who cannot even hold a press conference just in case his lies are exposed to his idiotic supporters. I dare NS to hold even one open press conference

You're asking for too much from poor guy.

 

[Bewal Express]

You're asking for too much from poor guy.

The guy is a complete cretin, he can barely read of a piece of paper. I would pay money to see him answer questions on his and his families finances. Then even the idiotic Nooras would finally see this loser for his full stupidity ( but then again his supporters are more stupid than he is)

 

[Pakpak]

What a cretin. The question never was about off shore companies. Question was where did the money come from? Imran provided all his trail through accounts and showed they were through his earnings. While nawaz fumbled around with fake Qatari documents and forgeries.

A guy who can't even do live press conferences.

Absolute disgrace of a person .

 

[yasir]

With all due respect I would suggest you read up on what makes a strong democracy.
The Supreme Court is applying the law not making up things as they go along. A strong judiciary is one of the pillars of democracy

Pakistani Judiciary is a joke, it has been for 70 years. I am no fan of NS but the way SC ban him for life(who are they to ban most popular leader in the country for life), with verdict of 5-0, charges themselves were ridiculous, whole thing was classic shameless Army setup, you don't call such a court an independent judiciary...They don't want him to stand up in election, last time they start Kargil War because NS wanted trade relationship with India, Did anybody audited why Kargil happened and why the so called SC did not go after Musharif and Kayani?? - In 70 years how many Generals have been behind the bar...Politicians, 2 of the 4 tier 1 leaders are killed in last 40 years


In Democracy bureaucrat cannot run the show, that is called theocracy. Army is too powerful, basis of all their back door power is unconstitutional and illegal, they cannot throw dirt on others, they are the ones who hired NS in first place, wait a minute he bribed them into the politics...NS, Taliban, Sipa Shaba, LEJ(and all those extremist parties under the sun), all are hired and run by Army in the first place(then they become rogue), how come nobody goes after the real culprit, they are the one who has run down this country to such a state that we are equated to Afghanistan for decade now...

 

[Waseem]

Pakistani Judiciary is a joke, it has been for 70 years. I am no fan of NS but the way SC ban him for life(who are they to ban most popular leader in the country for life), with verdict of 5-0, charges themselves were ridiculous, whole thing was classic shameless Army setup, you don't call such a court an independent judiciary...They don't want him to stand up in election, last time they start Kargil War because NS wanted trade relationship with India, Did anybody audited why Kargil happened and why the so called SC did not go after Musharif and Kayani?? - In 70 years how many Generals have been behind the bar...Politicians, 2 of the 4 tier 1 leaders are killed in last 40 years


In Democracy bureaucrat cannot run the show, that is called theocracy. Army is too powerful, basis of all their back door power is unconstitutional and illegal, they cannot throw dirt on others, they are the ones who hired NS in first place, wait a minute he bribed them into the politics...NS, Taliban, Sipa Shaba, LEJ(and all those extremist parties under the sun), all are hired and run by Army in the first place(then they become rogue), how come nobody goes after the real culprit, they are the one who has run down this country to such a state that we are equated to Afghanistan for decade now...

Was Gilani also kicked out by Army?

 

[Waseem]

Was Gilani also kicked out by Army?

Also, can you explain why the Army and judges evil nexus let Nawaz escape during rigging case? I mean there were such strong grounds to throw him out with massive irregularities (blamed on human errors), dharna, killing of people etc was more than enough for Army to do whatever they wanted but why did Nawaz get away and no one took over or at least dismissal of Nawaz?

Did Army leak Panama documents?

 

[yasir]

Was Gilani also kicked out by Army?

I dont care about Gilani, he was nobody, PM like him is a failure of democracy, shows who is really running the country. Current PM is not leader of Pindi Division, forget about Pakistan. We have a system where people have no power, as long as you bow down to Army, nothing matters...

IK is another Zardari/NS/Benizar in the making, people don't understand, unless you confront Army you cannot solve anything in Pakistan, but you cannot confront Army. Root cause of all problems in Pakistan is Law and Order, Army's policies from last 4 decades is the main reason for worsening of law and order, unless you fundamentally change those policies nothing can be changed. Its not like Benazir and NS did not wanted to solve Law and order problem(they were corrupt, but fixing law and order was paramount to their success), but they stumble across Army. Without fixing law and order, you cannot build an economy...

 

[yasir]

Also, can you explain why the Army and judges evil nexus let Nawaz escape during rigging case? I mean there were such strong grounds to throw him out with massive irregularities (blamed on human errors), dharna, killing of people etc was more than enough for Army to do whatever they wanted but why did Nawaz get away and no one took over or at least dismissal of Nawaz?

Did Army leak Panama documents?

All this hoop hala against NS, but nothing against the other Sharief, the little one...Maybe he is in good books of the entity that matters. Who knows, he may become the next PM as well... Don't tell me that only one of the Sharief is devil, other is saint

 

[Waseem]

I dont care about Gilani, he was nobody, PM like him is a failure of democracy, shows who is really running the country. Current PM is not leader of Pindi Division, forget about Pakistan. We have a system where people have no power, as long as you bow down to Army, nothing matters...

IK is another Zardari/NS/Benizar in the making, people don't understand, unless you confront Army you cannot solve anything in Pakistan, but you cannot confront Army. Root cause of all problems in Pakistan is Law and Order, Army's policies from last 4 decades is the main reason for worsening of law and order, unless you fundamentally change those policies nothing can be changed. Its not like Benazir and NS did not wanted to solve Law and order problem(they were corrupt, but fixing law and order was paramount to their success), but they stumble across Army. Without fixing law and order, you cannot build an economy...

Doesn't matter if you care about Gilani or not but he was kicked out by so called evil nexus on much smaller crime and who was at forefront back then? Yes Masoom Nawaz did everything to kick Gilani out, now he is defending himself on much more serious charges. If it was military-judiciary nexus then surely Nawaz was fully involved in that conspiracy? What is his excuse now then?

 

[Waseem]

All this hoop hala against NS, but nothing against the other Sharief, the little one...Maybe he is in good books of the entity that matters. Who knows, he may become the next PM as well... Don't tell me that only one of the Sharief is devil, other is saint

So Judiciary:
let Nawaz off the hook in rigging case....good judiciary
Dismissed Nawaz in Panama case...bad judiciary
Cleared Imran Khan in tax evasion case...bad judiciary
Cleared Shahbaz in Hudaibia paper mill case....good judiciary
Dismissed Jahangir Tareen....good judiciary

Also Hudaibia isn't about Shahbaz alone, Nawaz is also main player there.

 

[Bewal Express]

I dont care about Gilani, he was nobody, PM like him is a failure of democracy, shows who is really running the country. Current PM is not leader of Pindi Division, forget about Pakistan. We have a system where people have no power, as long as you bow down to Army, nothing matters...

IK is another Zardari/NS/Benizar in the making, people don't understand, unless you confront Army you cannot solve anything in Pakistan, but you cannot confront Army. Root cause of all problems in Pakistan is Law and Order, Army's policies from last 4 decades is the main reason for worsening of law and order, unless you fundamentally change those policies nothing can be changed. Its not like Benazir and NS did not wanted to solve Law and order problem(they were corrupt, but fixing law and order was paramount to their success), but they stumble across Army. Without fixing law and order, you cannot build an economy...

So the Noora speaks- kicking out Gilani was OK but kicking out NS isnt. What tripe!

 

[yasir]

Doesn't matter if you care about Gilani or not but he was kicked out by so called evil nexus on much smaller crime and who was at forefront back then? Yes Masoom Nawaz did everything to kick Gilani out, now he is defending himself on much more serious charges. If it was military-judiciary nexus then surely Nawaz was fully involved in that conspiracy? What is his excuse now then?

What Nawaz did to PPP and then PPP to Nawaz, back and forth in last 20 years, now IK is doing the same to Nawaz for last 4 years, that's why I said, IK is another Nawaz in the making...You are not getting the bigger picture, Army cycling through Politicians is not a solution to Pakistan's problem and its not called a democracy, we are in vicious cycle, People first have to understand where problem lies... Keeping playing that game, you will get the same results for next two decades, never go after the real culprit, best of luck to you, IK and Pakistan. There is no point of this debate, we are going in circles, lets see what results we get, we are not that far...All institutions are working so well, an excellent Judiciary, we already had world class Army, and now in IK we have found the missing link, the most honest politician one can hope for, Pakistan is another Bitcoin, soon will be shooting in the sky

 

[Waseem]

What Nawaz did to PPP and then PPP to Nawaz, back and forth in last 20 years, now IK is doing the same to Nawaz for last 4 years, that's why I said, IK is another Nawaz in the making...You are not getting the bigger picture, Army cycling through Politicians is not a solution to Pakistan's problem and its not called a democracy, we are in vicious cycle, People first have to understand where problem lies... Keeping playing that game, you will get the same results for next two decades, never go after the real culprit, best of luck to you, IK and Pakistan. There is no point of this debate, we are going in circles, lets see what results we get, we are not that far...All institutions are working so well, an excellent Judiciary, we already had world class Army, and now in IK we have found the missing link, the most honest politician one can hope for, Pakistan is another Bitcoin, soon will be shooting in the sky

What Nawaz Sharif did to PPP, he is still doing it so pretty clear it's Nawaz's own fight and not for the sake of democracy and no one really cares about Nawaz.

Whether Imran Khan will turn Pakistan into Japan or Germany is yet to be seen but one thing is for sure NawaZardari aren't ever going to play for their country let alone improve it.

Also, you can blame Imran Khan, Army or judiciary for leaking Panama documents all you want but fact is this time GODFATHER got busted through an international leak and exposed himself in front of whole world with Alif Laila stories. My father took whole lifesaving to Qatar and gave it to Qataris who invested and turned it into Billions and bought flats for us that were ALL given to one grand son

 

[IMMY69]

Pakistani Judiciary is a joke, it has been for 70 years. I am no fan of NS but the way SC ban him for life(who are they to ban most popular leader in the country for life), with verdict of 5-0, charges themselves were ridiculous, whole thing was classic shameless Army setup, you don't call such a court an independent judiciary...They don't want him to stand up in election, last time they start Kargil War because NS wanted trade relationship with India, Did anybody audited why Kargil happened and why the so called SC did not go after Musharif and Kayani?? - In 70 years how many Generals have been behind the bar...Politicians, 2 of the 4 tier 1 leaders are killed in last 40 years


In Democracy bureaucrat cannot run the show, that is called theocracy. Army is too powerful, basis of all their back door power is unconstitutional and illegal, they cannot throw dirt on others, they are the ones who hired NS in first place, wait a minute he bribed them into the politics...NS, Taliban, Sipa Shaba, LEJ(and all those extremist parties under the sun), all are hired and run by Army in the first place(then they become rogue), how come nobody goes after the real culprit, they are the one who has run down this country to such a state that we are equated to Afghanistan for decade now...

You are ranting.

Before going off of one please clear your head and remember that Pakistan has a party political system.

 

[Waseem]

Is mulk main jis ne gunah bakhshwaanay hain anti establishment ban jao:

- Altaf Hussain murders, bhatta khori aur violence kar k bhi fauj ko gaali de k in sab ka hero
- Zardari who is best example of zaalim wadera who forcibly took over sugar mills and collects bhatta is a hero after saying "main tumhari eent se eent baja donga".
- Now Nawaz after being out and out establishment man plays same card and there are plenty of so called democrats who buy his crap as well.

All criminals have a hope, just fauj ko gaali dou aur hero ban jao.

 

[the Great Khan]

Is mulk main jis ne gunah bakhshwaanay hain anti establishment ban jao:

- Altaf Hussain murders, bhatta khori aur violence kar k bhi fauj ko gaali de k in sab ka hero
- Zardari who is best example of zaalim wadera who forcibly took over sugar mills and collects bhatta is a hero after saying "main tumhari eent se eent baja donga".
- Now Nawaz after being out and out establishment man plays same card and there are plenty of so called democrats who buy his crap as well.

All criminals have a hope, just fauj ko gaali dou aur hero ban jao.

the funny part is if there is a national incident, everyone starts posting pics of "our brave jawans" just as long as they arent asked to serve their country. These so called liberals will run onto a foreign country at the fist sign of trouble. Then look to bad mouth the nation from there.

 

[Waseem]

the funny part is if there is a national incident, everyone starts posting pics of "our brave jawans" just as long as they arent asked to serve their country. These so called liberals will run onto a foreign country at the fist sign of trouble. Then look to bad mouth the nation from there.

And then their lame excuse when you question a politician, how many generals have been caught in corruption.
Well we vote you in not generals to strengthen our institutions that can catch all kind of chors so if you want all institutions to serve you and your cronies then no point complaining if someone more powerful than you does the same.

 

[Mian]

Bechara Hanif Abbasi he tried too hard to pelase the hosue of sharif but still failed to get the party ticket!

 

[MenInG]

The Lahore High Court (LHC) on Monday temporarily barred TV channels from airing alleged "anti-judiciary speeches" uttered by PML-N supreme leader Nawaz Sharif, his daughter Maryam Nawaz and other leaders.

A three-judge full bench, headed by Justice Syed Mazahar Ali Akbar Naqvi, and comprising Justice Atir Mahmood and Justice Chaudhry Masood Jahangir, had taken up a set of petitions against "anti-judiciary speeches" delivered by PML-N leaders.

The bench directed the Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (Pemra) to decide the complaints pending with it regarding the alleged contemptuous speeches within 15 days as well.

Examine: What qualifies as anti-judiciary speech?

Until the authority decides the complaints, no alleged "anti-judiciary speeches" delivered by PML-N leaders will be allowed to be aired during the 15 days, the court ruled, directing Pemra to ensure strict monitoring of programmes to prevent any such content from being broadcast.

The court also rejected an application filed by Advocate A.K. Dogar on behalf of Sharif requesting that Justice Naqvi recuse himself from the full bench.

Advocate Azhar Siddique, who was representing one of the petitioners, argued before the court that Article 19-A of the Constitution guarantees freedom of expression and the right to "fair criticism" to every citizen.

But Justice Naqvi observed that the constitutional right to fair criticism is conditional to law and regulation.

"It can't be that anyone out there goes about denouncing judicial matters and decisions in the name of 'fair criticism'," he remarked, adding that it would make sense for an expert or lawyer to comment on such matters but not everyone can be allowed to do the same.

Advocate Salman Akram Raja, the counsel for Pemra, argued that the petitioners were raising unnecessary objections against the regulatory body's authority.

He said Pemra had rejected an application against alleged anti-judiciary speeches on "technical grounds" using its authority.

"Should we not take away from this that [Pemra] allowed airing of anti-judiciary speeches by rejecting the application?" the bench asked.

"Pemra may have been made a minor error [of judgment] by rejecting the application," the counsel responded.

The court reserved its decision after hearing all arguments and subsequently announced a 15-day ban on speeches deemed to be contemptuous.

Following the Panama Papers verdict which led to Sharif's disqualification as premier, Sharif and other PML-N leaders have drawn ire for their criticism of the judiciary.

Multiple petitions have been filed in different courts against them over alleged contempt of court. Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi and federal and provincial ministers of the PML-N have also been made respondents in the petitions.

In January, the Islamabad High Court had accepted a contempt of court petition against Sharif and his daughter Maryam for making speeches critical of the judiciary.

The Supreme Court, however, dismissed multiple contempt of court petitions against the ousted prime minister last month, saying on one occasion: "Commenting cleanly on a [court] decision is the right of every citizen."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1401960/l...z-maryams-anti-judiciary-speeches-for-15-days

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">وقت آگیا ہےکہ دونوں پارٹیوں کی قیادت کوعبرت ناک سزائیں دی جائیں،جہانگیرترین</p>— Geo News Urdu (@geonews_urdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu/status/1117830661816057856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Asim_khan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">وقت آگیا ہےکہ دونوں پارٹیوں کی قیادت کوعبرت ناک سزائیں دی جائیں،جہانگیرترین</p>— Geo News Urdu (@geonews_urdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu/status/1117830661816057856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Is this a direct quote? Geo also claimed Asad Umar had been sacked, so I'm in 2 minds whether to believe this....