Selective Outrage - Faux Humanitarianism

[Tubs]

I think we all agree on this forum that what Israel is doing is terrible. It is less obvious what should be done, but such is the case of geopolitics, nothing is ever obvious.

That being said, why do Pakistanis (and members of other Muslim countries) not give even 1% of the consideration for the minorities of their countries as they do the Palestinians? Since this is a Pakistan-based forum, let's take that as the example. Ahmadis have their discrimination enshrined in law- can't call themselves Muslim, can't call their place of worship mosques, and face such terrible social pressure. Gay people can be punished be law for, well you know what (unsure if I'm allowed to say that on this forum) and face incredible social ostracization. Many people have been thrown in prison indefinitely and given the death penalty for hurt feelings- also known as blasphemy. I don't even need to mention the rampant misogyny and disgusting practice of forced conversions (usually of minors) and the deplorable act that comes with it. Not to mention, only Muslims can become PM. The French cartoons sparked far more outrage than the horrible treatment of minorities and marginalised groups.

The plight of the Palestinians is also seen as far more important. Why is this?

 

[Mamoon]

Most people do not have the capacity to be true humanitarians. Their concern and their empathy for a particular group is religiously, politically, culturally of ethnically motivated.

As a said in the other thread, Pakistanis who call Israel-Palestine conflict a humanitarian crisis would be least bothered if the roles were reversed and the Jews were getting squashed and struggling for freedom.

Similarly, they wouldn’t care about the rights of Kashmiris in India if they were not Muslims.

Your humanity and thus your empathy is shaped by what matters the most to you. It could be your nationality, your religion, your ethnicity etc.

For most Muslims and especially Pakistanis, whose identity crisis has always been a great tragedy, humanity has everything to do with religion.

We are amongst the most insensitive people on earth with absolutely no regard, no respect and no empathy for people of other religion.

We also stereotype them such as making sweeping statements about Hindu Indians and Israelis but the role is reversed, we start crying and playing victim.

The same people who have waged a social media war on Israel lose their voice when it comes to standing up for the plight of minorities in Pakistan.

The excuse that the scale is different is disingenuous - none of them have the courage to take up arms and fight alongside the Palestinians - they are making noise on social media and they can also make noise for the treatment of minorities in Pakistan.

They can change their profile pictures and tweet against the forced conversion of Hindu girls in interior Sindh just like they are plastering Palestinian flags all over social media.

The same goes for our leadership. Imran Khan does not have the courage to make a single tweet against the people who are violating the rights of minorities in Pakistan and treating them like animals.

If your humanity is politically, religiously or ethnically motivated, so be it. It is understandable. However, the least you can do is to have enough shame to not call it humanity.

When you try to play the humanity card then you will be called out for your hypocrisy and double-standards.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think we all agree on this forum that what Israel is doing is terrible. It is less obvious what should be done, but such is the case of geopolitics, nothing is ever obvious.

That being said, why do Pakistanis (and members of other Muslim countries) not give even 1% of the consideration for the minorities of their countries as they do the Palestinians? Since this is a Pakistan-based forum, let's take that as the example. Ahmadis have their discrimination enshrined in law- can't call themselves Muslim, can't call their place of worship mosques, and face such terrible social pressure. Gay people can be punished be law for, well you know what (unsure if I'm allowed to say that on this forum) and face incredible social ostracization. Many people have been thrown in prison indefinitely and given the death penalty for hurt feelings- also known as blasphemy. I don't even need to mention the rampant misogyny and disgusting practice of forced conversions (usually of minors) and the deplorable act that comes with it. Not to mention, only Muslims can become PM. The French cartoons sparked far more outrage than the horrible treatment of minorities and marginalised groups.

The plight of the Palestinians is also seen as far more important. Why is this?

Because humans are selective as you yourself have pointed out.

 

[Robert]

Support in this place for that dreadful man in the Kremlin - who committed a genocide of the Chechen Muslims - and apologies for the Chinese government which is carrying out a genocide of Muslims right now as we speak - sickens me.

It seems that mass killing of Muslims is ok to some as long as the mass killers are anti West.

Digital morality. Not based on love at all.

 

[golagunda]

It is not as if this hypocrisy is limited to muslims. For all the clamor about defending freedom of expression when charlie hebdo publishes a cartoon, there was hardly a whimper in the western media when Israel literally bombed media offices of AP and AJ out of existence in Gaza at 10 minutes notice.

Muslims are in such a deplorable state that we just use the internet to vent our frustrations as we are completely powerless to do anything meaningful against Israel. But greater responsibility always lies with the more powerful and more enlightened which at this point is supposed to be the West. Not that they deserve this label in my opinion.

 

[MenInG]

Has anyone said that one humanitarian issue is worse or better than the other?

If not then what is the issue in raising all of those issues or showing concern for them?

 

[Giannis]

Support in this place for that dreadful man in the Kremlin - who committed a genocide of the Chechen Muslims - and apologies for the Chinese government which is carrying out a genocide of Muslims right now as we speak - sickens me.

It seems that mass killing of Muslims is ok to some as long as the mass killers are anti West.

Digital morality. Not based on love at all.

Vice versa you have those in the west who only condemn China for their treatment of Muslims yet support Israel and India.

 

[Giannis]

OP what you're doing is also a logical fallacy called 'whataboutism', you don't care about human rights either but don't like the the support for Palestinians and criticism of Israel so you've decided to change the subject.

 

[Robert]

Vice versa you have those in the west who only condemn China for their treatment of Muslims yet support Israel and India.

If you are taking about American Evangelicals, I doubt they care about the Uighur either as they think Islam is a Satanic perversion of Christianity.

 

[MenInG]

Has anyone said that one humanitarian issue is worse or better than the other?

If not then what is the issue in raising all of those issues or showing concern for them?

The problem I have is when people bring in "What about Ahmedis" when we discuss the plight of Kashmiri Muslims or Palestinians as if we arent allowed to talk about anything else, as if there is some presumed priority list of issues which must be addressed in that one order alone.

I call that hypocrisy - and that is what a few are indulging in when they refuse to even acknowledge the pain of the Palestinians.

 

[Giannis]

If you are taking about American Evangelicals, I doubt they care about the Uighur either as they think Islam is a Satanic perversion of Christianity.

Not just Evangelicals but plenty of westerners that have been loud about the treatment of Uighur (really for geopolitical reasons not cause they actually care) yet at the same time support Israel and India.

 

[OMB]

Not just Evangelicals but plenty of westerners that have been loud about the treatment of Uighur (really for geopolitical reasons not cause they actually care) yet at the same time support Israel and India.

Hey, nice try to rope in India in this debate.
India has nothing to do with Palestine conflict yet was one of the first in 1970's to recognise Palestine demand for a separate state. India has diplomatic relations with everyone including Israel but it has not withdrawn its support for recognition of Palestine.

 

[Giannis]

Hey, nice try to rope in India in this debate.
India has nothing to do with Palestine conflict yet was one of the first in 1970's to recognise Palestine demand for a separate state. India has diplomatic relations with everyone including Israel but it has not withdrawn its support for recognition of Palestine.

Yeah nice try missing my point. [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] brought up Muslims ignoring the treatment of uighurs and chechens yet coming out in support of Palestine only cause it's "anti-west" so I flipped the argument - the same people in the west that are speaking out for the Uighurs have been supporting Israel and even ignoring India's atrocities in Kashmir.

Also while India was pro-Palestine in the past, we're not in the 70s - India has officially recognized Israel and the Indian government and army under Modi have been very close to Israel, in fact on social media right you will thousands of Hindutvas coming out in support of Israel, this is actually topic being discussed on twitter right now about India's far right has been big supporters of Israel and how a lot of it is rooted in anti-Muslim bigotry.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Right-wing Hindutiva nationalists are spewing that their efforts haven’t been recognised by an apartheid state &#55357;&#56862; <a href="https://t.co/9o9oaY8NFk">pic.twitter.com/9o9oaY8NFk</a></p>— Jennine #SaveSheikhJarrah (@jennineak) <a href="https://twitter.com/jennineak/status/1393776810383405061?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One really notable thing in this round of Gaza bombardment has been how the replies to so many social media posts about the air strikes are just flooded with Hindu nationalists celebrating how awesome they are <a href="https://t.co/7ajhMvSN6a">https://t.co/7ajhMvSN6a</a></p>— Tom Gara (@tomgara) <a href="https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1393193361071300616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[OMB]

Yeah nice try missing my point. [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] brought up Muslims ignoring the treatment of uighurs and chechens yet coming out in support of Palestine only cause it's "anti-west" so I flipped the argument - the same people in the west that are speaking out for the Uighurs have been supporting Israel and even ignoring India's atrocities in Kashmir.

Also while India was pro-Palestine in the past, we're not in the 70s - India has officially recognized Israel and the Indian government and army under Modi have been very close to Israel, in fact on social media right you will thousands of Hindutvas coming out in support of Israel, this is actually topic being discussed on twitter right now about India's far right has been big supporters of Israel and how a lot of it is rooted in anti-Muslim bigotry.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Right-wing Hindutiva nationalists are spewing that their efforts haven’t been recognised by an apartheid state �� <a href="https://t.co/9o9oaY8NFk">pic.twitter.com/9o9oaY8NFk</a></p>— Jennine #SaveSheikhJarrah (@jennineak) <a href="https://twitter.com/jennineak/status/1393776810383405061?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One really notable thing in this round of Gaza bombardment has been how the replies to so many social media posts about the air strikes are just flooded with Hindu nationalists celebrating how awesome they are <a href="https://t.co/7ajhMvSN6a">https://t.co/7ajhMvSN6a</a></p>— Tom Gara (@tomgara) <a href="https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1393193361071300616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol @ interpreting media rants from some fanatics as a GOI stand. India is more than one party or one ideology and the sources you have quoted show a very narrow minded opinion of Hindutva.
If you fish for such kind of content, you will find it. Let us be more practical and talk at what GOI has been doing for all these years.

Relations with Israel doesn't mean breakaway from support from Palestine. Politics and Diplomacy are never a zero sum game.

and I have read what Roberts wrote, it was different than what you interpret.

 

[Giannis]

Lol @ interpreting media rants from some fanatics as a GOI stand. India is more than one party or one ideology and the sources you have quoted show a very narrow minded opinion of Hindutva.
If you fish for such kind of content, you will find it. Let us be more practical and talk at what GOI has been doing for all these years.

Relations with Israel doesn't mean breakaway from support from Palestine. Politics and Diplomacy are never a zero sum game.

and I have read what Roberts wrote, it was different than what you interpret.

India's "cyber hindus" (the name for Indian nationalist internet shills ) are notorious around the world, every single tweet by an Israeli account or any news about Palestine is flooded with comments from Indians cheering Israel on and insulting Palestinians and this is has been noted by international journalists and activists so this more than just an anomaly.

Let us be more practical and talk at what GOI has been doing for all these years.

Yeah we've seen what India's done over the past 7 years Modi is great friends with Netanyahu, India has given the Israeli defense industry bilions of dollars in exchange for arms and India has always been a popular destination for IDF soldiers to vacation after the end of their conscription

Relations with Israel doesn't mean breakaway from support from Palestine. Politics and Diplomacy are never a zero sum game.

In this case it does - India recognizing Israel is moving support away from Palestine, Modi being all chummy with Netanyahu and the Indian intel working with Israel is moving support from Palestine. This is a zero sum game especially when it comes to human rights.

 

[OMB]

India's "cyber hindus" (the name for Indian nationalist internet shills ) are notorious around the world, every single tweet by an Israeli account or any news about Palestine is flooded with comments from Indians cheering Israel on and insulting Palestinians and this is has been noted by international journalists and activists so this more than just an anomaly.



Yeah we've seen what India's done over the past 7 years Modi is great friends with Netanyahu, India has given the Israeli defense industry bilions of dollars in exchange for arms and India has always been a popular destination for IDF soldiers to vacation after the end of their conscription


In this case it does - India recognizing Israel is moving support away from Palestine, Modi being all chummy with Netanyahu and the Indian intel working with Israel is moving support from Palestine. This is a zero sum game especially when it comes to human rights.

No my friend. Doesn't work like that. Let us not go looking for social media rants as authentic sources.
I only told you that India has supported Palestine, that India is not one party or one ideology and will never be and that Social media rants should not be taken as GOI official stance.
I am not criticizing your opinion even though I don't agree with it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Support in this place for that dreadful man in the Kremlin - who committed a genocide of the Chechen Muslims - and apologies for the Chinese government which is carrying out a genocide of Muslims right now as we speak - sickens me.

It seems that mass killing of Muslims is ok to some as long as the mass killers are anti West.

Digital morality. Not based on love at all.

Don't you feel that could be applied to us in the west as well? Why do we care selectively about Chinese or Chechen Musilms when it suits us, but display such public fear of Muslims in Britain itself?

 

[Varun]

Don't you feel that could be applied to us in the west as well? Why do we care selectively about Chinese or Chechen Musilms when it suits us, but display such public fear of Muslims in Britain itself?

Possibly because the latter aren't being oppressed?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Possibly because the latter aren't being oppressed?

So you are saying that we should fear Muslims because British Muslims aren't being oppressed?

 

[Kashmirilion]

Don't you feel that could be applied to us in the west as well? Why do we care selectively about Chinese or Chechen Musilms when it suits us, but display such public fear of Muslims in Britain itself?

Or as per usual when people avoid talking about the war on terror in middle east and Afghanistan which has killed MILLIONS of innocent Muslims. Nah it's ok NATO can do what they like they are saints but that man in Kremlin he's the worse kind of evil why? because he annexed Crimea.

 

[Varun]

So you are saying that we should fear Muslims because British Muslims aren't being oppressed?

No - just using the logic of your own sentence, I'm saying that the West doesn't 'care' about British Muslims for the same reasons they 'care' about oppressed Chinese or Chechen Muslims.

If there is some fear prevalent, it is due to some other factors you yourself must be aware of.

 

[dblock]

Selective championing / caring is embedded within all of us - it might range to quite a large degree between individuals, but it's impossible to care about all causes and all people equally. Your moral compass will differentiate who is right or wrong.

So nothing new here - you can apply the same principle to most issues and people (black lives matter, woman's rights are two prominent issues of late which this has been seen).

Probably OP wants to deflect subject / feels uncomfortable with the level of support Palestinians are getting.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No - just using the logic of your own sentence, I'm saying that the West doesn't 'care' about British Muslims for the same reasons they 'care' about oppressed Chinese or Chechen Muslims.

If there is some fear prevalent, it is due to some other factors you yourself must be aware of.

You seem to be talking in riddles but I think we can agree at least on the topic of the OP. Selective humanitarianism/faux outrage is fairly widespread across nationalities and ideologies.

 

[Robert]

Not just Evangelicals but plenty of westerners that have been loud about the treatment of Uighur (really for geopolitical reasons not cause they actually care) yet at the same time support Israel and India.

Hmm. I don’t move in such circles. Everyone I know deplores Israel’s actions in West Bank and Gaza Strip.

 

[Robert]

Or as per usual when people avoid talking about the war on terror in middle east and Afghanistan which has killed MILLIONS of innocent Muslims. Nah it's ok NATO can do what they like they are saints but that man in Kremlin he's the worse kind of evil why? because he annexed Crimea.

And killed 50K Muslims civilians in Chechnya (250K according to some estimates), but he gets a free pass for that from some because he pushes back against NATO.

 

[Tubs]

Support in this place for that dreadful man in the Kremlin - who committed a genocide of the Chechen Muslims - and apologies for the Chinese government which is carrying out a genocide of Muslims right now as we speak - sickens me.

It seems that mass killing of Muslims is ok to some as long as the mass killers are anti West.

Digital morality. Not based on love at all.

Not sure who that man is, but I condemn what he did. But you supported Putin 'punishing' Navalny for saying bad things about Muslims. Putin also killed many Chechen Muslims, too. You also deny the Uighur genocide. You are the definition of selective outrage.

OP what you're doing is also a logical fallacy called 'whataboutism', you don't care about human rights either but don't like the the support for Palestinians and criticism of Israel so you've decided to change the subject.

Check my last few posts, all have shown support for Palestine. I even said despite the fact that apostasy has been treated as a capital offence in Palestine, I support them because they shouldn't get genocided. This isn't whataboutism, I don't think you understand what that is, it is a consistency test. Pakistanis don't care about what happens to the minorities at home, but feel absolute outrage (justifiably) for Palestinians. Why? Just because they're Muslim? Then why does Palestine side with India on Kashmir? Does the ummah not come into it then? Stop playing the victim all the time and thinking that the world is against Islam.

 

[Kashmirilion]

And killed 50K Muslims civilians in Chechnya (250K according to some estimates), but he gets a free pass for that from some because he pushes back against NATO.

Putin is no Saint and I don't defend him. But why do you make him out to be a bigger evil than US deep state or even UK establishment? Both of whom who have been bombing the middle East in to democracy for the last 20 years and who by far have killed more innocents than the big bad bear! Selective much?

Unlike some fake Pakistanis and hindutva trolls on this forum I do think you are a genuinely nice guy but your selective bias toward certain countries or movement's is so obvious. Stand up for the truth Robert. I expect that much from you. You are good poster.

 

[Tubs]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

My bad, Ignore my post to you earlier, I entirely misread and misunderstood your post!

 

[Firebat]

Everyone is guilty of this. Any human is naturally drawn to issues or struggles that they feel they can relate to, or are connected to. Muslims will be drawn more to oppression of Muslims, rather than oppression by Muslims. The same way Jews would be drawn more to issues of anti-Semitism or Hamas rockets compared to the atrocities being committed in Gaza.

You show outrage about any issue and in reply I could name a multitude of issues which you haven't been outraged by, painting you as a faux humanitarian who is selective in their outrage.

You either care about everything or you're a hypocrite. The energy and enthusiasm of public outrage will never be shared equally across all issues, so it's impossible to win.

 

[Markhor]

I definitely think there's a selectivity within the Muslim community even as it relates to other Muslims being persecuted, let alone persecution against non-Muslims.

Obviously al-Aqsa means the Palestinian issue will take greater precedence. However what's happened to the Rohingyas, Uighurs and Muslims in the Central African Republic is independently recognised as ethnic cleansing too yet the reaction is more muted from the Islamic world.

Why ? The first two countries are allies of China whose largesse is propping up many Muslim economies including Pakistan, and the latter country is African whose lives are perceived to be more expendable than our Arab brethren who we constantly try to ape, in a region where "that sort of thing" happens.

Then there's the lamentable treatment of Muslim minorities in places like Pakistan that was founded on the very basis of rights for minority groups. The social media hashtags from our pro-human rights, anti-colonialist ummah defenders go strangely missing despite a systematic campaign of terror being conducted against the Hazara Shia in Balochistan, and state sanctioned persecution against the Ahmadis including heroes of Pakistan who helped develop our nuclear programme - without which India would've bombed us many times over.

It's human to have biases but if one is genuine about universal human rights then you cannot have a hierarchy of victims.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Unfortunately, Muslims have the most selective outrage in the world. You would never see them talking about the treatment of Ahmadis, non-muslims in the Muslim countries whereas I've seen a lot of non-Muslims on my Instagram posting about Palestine even though it's not directly related to them but never have I seen a Muslim post about the treatment of Ahmadis in Pakistan, Kurds in Turkey and non-Muslim being harassed and converted in the Muslim countries.

 

[street cricketer]

While I would like to see the day when Indians and Pakistanis care about minorities in their own countries, I know that's unrealistic and the more pragmatic view is that all humans are tribal in nature, more so in our part of the world where due to extreme polarisation of communities, hindus in India will always care more about hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh than muslims in India while Pakistani muslims would care more about muslims all over the world than hindus and christians in Pakistan.

It's not ideal but at the end of the day, it's human nature to care more about your community than other communities but what annoys me is when people brand it as "humanitarian reasons" when everyone knows it's purely motivated due to tribal reasons. I saw a few comments on the Israel Palestinian issue asking why western leaders were not talking against Israel on the recent flare up. Lets be honest, how many times have you seen muslim leaders openly talk about non muslim conflicts in the past. The fact is everyone can't react to every issue with equal emotions. Plight of your community will always matter more than the plight of other communities, as unfortunate as it sounds. It is why western leaders reacted to the burning of the Notre Dame church by saying that their "heart ached" at the sight of it as it appealed to their anglo Saxon sensibilities while not talking much about actual lives being lost in the recent conflict in Palestine. In the same manner, muslims will always care more about muslim issues above anything else.

The long and short of it is that people's reactions are almost always driven by their tribal nature than due to any "humanitarian cause", although it would be great if people owned up to it.

 

[street cricketer]

Yeah we've seen what India's done over the past 7 years Modi is great friends with Netanyahu, India has given the Israeli defense industry bilions of dollars in exchange for arms and India has always been a popular destination for IDF soldiers to vacation after the end of their conscription


In this case it does - India recognizing Israel is moving support away from Palestine, Modi being all chummy with Netanyahu and the Indian intel working with Israel is moving support from Palestine. This is a zero sum game especially when it comes to human rights.

Not sure what you're implying here. Geopolitics isn't a zero sum game. While India's official stance on the Israeli Palestinian conflict might appear like fence sitting, it's not that different to how it has always approached diplomacy even in the past with its non aligned movement and everything.

As for the Israeli soldiers backpacking in the Himalayas, conscription in military is mandatory for their citizens. So what do you advocate, just deny entry to any Israeli citizen? Not sure how that would work.

India recognised Israel in 1950 and it's not the only country to do so. Almost all countries recognise Israel except the muslim countries and even the arab nations are starting to recognise Israel. I know it's not ideal to have relations with states accused of committing human rights violations but it's an unavoidable task in geopolitics. India is not the one attacking the Palestinians, Israel has some of the most advanced military technology in the world which is beneficial to India and hence the massive trade relations. If that's questionable, Pakistan actually exports fighter jets to Myanmar accused of committing a genocide against the Rohingyas, guess why. For geopolitical reasons.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Why attack only India for recognizing Israel? Even the fan favorite Turkey recognized Israel and have daily flights from Istanbul to Tel Aviv.

 

[dblock]

Unfortunately, Muslims have the most selective outrage in the world. You would never see them talking about the treatment of Ahmadis, non-muslims in the Muslim countries whereas I've seen a lot of non-Muslims on my Instagram posting about Palestine even though it's not directly related to them but never have I seen a Muslim post about the treatment of Ahmadis in Pakistan, Kurds in Turkey and non-Muslim being harassed and converted in the Muslim countries.

Is there any meaningful metric in which you can measure selective outrage? Seems like common consensus on this thread that it seems fairly universal across most nations / religions / tribes.

To label one particular set of people as being worse at this, is probably personal bias unless there is some credible info outside of one insignificant persons Instagram posts.

 

[UP]

Not a single word or statement from the Muslim Ummah to condemn and halt Saudi invasion of Yemen which has created the worst humanitarian crisis in the world. The war started in 2014. The social media jihadis aren't even aware of the Saudi invasion. The corrupt Muslim leadership has been so quiet on this matter that its shameful. Its pretty much a Iran vs Saudi Arabia match.

 

[Gayle_Force]

Not a single word or statement from the Muslim Ummah to condemn and halt Saudi invasion of Yemen which has created the worst humanitarian crisis in the world. The war started in 2014. The social media jihadis aren't even aware of the Saudi invasion. The corrupt Muslim leadership has been so quiet on this matter that its shameful. Its pretty much a Iran vs Saudi Arabia match.

I don’t know about the Muslim ummah but it is pretty evident that the Saudi-Pak relationship were strained in recent years primarily because the Pak Govt did not provide military support to Saudis against Yemen. Pakistan has suffered great economic consequences as a result.

I think it would be tough for a country to openly condemn an ally country, especially one that is far more powerful.

 

[Varun]

Why attack only India for recognizing Israel? Even the fan favorite Turkey recognized Israel and have daily flights from Istanbul to Tel Aviv.

And let's not even talk about China.

Leave alone the Western countries these posters call home.

 

[guna]

People will feel more pinch when the atrocities are committed against their own people or group or race.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why attack only India for recognizing Israel? Even the fan favorite Turkey recognized Israel and have daily flights from Istanbul to Tel Aviv.

India is fine to recognise Israel, but if Indians are going to bring that topic here it is usually coming loaded with religious baggage. If Turks do that, they would get a similar response on a Pakistan forum. Don't try to be cute.

 

[Gayle_Force]

There are two issues being jumbled up here, humanitarian and legal.

The OP is 100% right that more voice should be raised against the issues against minorities everywhere. However, at the end of the day those are internal country issues and there is limited intervention that can happen against them by the international community.

The issues in Palestine/Israel are not just humanitarian but also violate international law because of illegal occupation. Therefore, more action is demanded from the international community. Otherwise, it gives freehand to all powerful countries to occupy smaller countries without repercussions.

Pakistan has interest in this not just because of humanitarian issues but also because the actions here can impact Pakistan’s position on Kashmir.

 

[Wristy_Shuffler]

This question always comes up whenever there is unrest in Palestine.

I can't speak for Pakistani's living in Pakistan but I can relate my experience as British Pakistani to offer some insight.

The issue of Palestine is something that was brought to my attention by other british Pakistani's from a very young age, I knew about it even before becoming fully aware of the problems in Kashmir and during my childhood, other events involving the brutal persecution of muslims were not spoken about enough between people to the extent that a child would become aware of them. This is pre-social media days.

But Palestine was/is different - I remember people from school, mosque and my siblings telling me about it and showing me pictures from very early childhood. From what I can tell, most other British-Pakistani's have had the same exposure but feel free to correct me if anyone here has a different experience.

I don't know why this is so but Palestine is such an anomaly among all the opression that occurs in this world. First of all, when we consider that we are living in the age of so-called 'liberals' and 'progressives' etc - Whatever the term you want to describe this - it basically is the idea that gives fuel to decisions such as invading the middle-east to depose an evil dictator in the name of freedom (never mind the killing millions of civilians in the process) or restricting religious practices in the name of secular freedom. To see that in this age of ""Enlightenment"" these very same people don't just ignore the occupation and opression of the Palestinians but actively encourage and promote the opressors is abhorrent and disgusting. Is there a more blatant example of hypocrisy? Truly, it boggles the mind.

So yes, you are right in saying that the muslims should be more vocal in the persecution of people no matter where they may be or what sect they follow - the Uighur situation is in many ways worse than the occupation of Palestine but the historical context of the Palestinian struggle, the hypocrisy, the lack of representation for Palestinian people means the this vaccuum of silence is always going to be filled with the voices of muslims living in other parts of the world. And Alhmadulillah we should be glad that at least they have a voice.

Finally, while I agree with your overall message, I wouldn't call it faux humanity for the reaons' listed above. The muslim world IMO genuinely cares for causes more than any other community. Consider this, muslims as a community donate more charity per head than any other demographic, consistently.

To say we only care '1%' or our concern over Palestine is 'faux humanity' is just hyperbole.