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"Shadab Khan was bowling very well but just not taking wickets": Babar Azam

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Babar Azam in his post game presser:

Was 252 good enough?

"I believe the total of 252 was a good one and not bad on that pitch, we were not up to the mark in our bowling from start to finish, and also in the middle; We did not take wickets in the middle overs and that partnership was very costly for us; We did make a comeback in the last 5 overs, but unfortunately we did not finish well."


Regarding absence of Naseem and Rauf for this game

"Definitely, when you lose 2 of your best bowlers, that does cost (effect) your team, but the other bowlers and all other players did give their 100% in this game, but we did not finish well."


Did Shadab Khan underperform in this tournament

"Yes, Shadab Khan was bowling very well but just not taking wickets which is why you may feel that he was not bowling well; He is our best bowler, as is Mohammad Nawaz."


On Zaman Khan

"He showed great character and has also done well in the past where two times in the PSL finals he has bowled in the last over, so he had a lot of confidence in him for this task but bowling in international games is a different thing."


World Cup preparation in the context of the Asia Cup performance

"The tournament was good for us but we also made a lot of mistakes for which we need to discuss internally; You also saw that our fielding did not respond in the way it should have, we have some issues in the middle overs when it comes to bowling, so we will work on a few items; As I said, our main strike bowlers unfortunately became unfit and that does make a difference; There are always mistakes made but we will learn from them and will fix these before we go into the World Cup"


When asked about what his Plan B will be if Haris Rauf and Naseem Shah become unfit for the World Cup

"I can't tell you my Plan B for the World Cup, will tell you later (smiled)"

"Haris Rauf has a side strain and it's not too bad and he will recover before the World Cup, Naseem Shah may miss a couple of matches (in the World Cup), but I don't know yet about how long his recovery will take; In my opinion, Naseem Shah will be in the World Cup later on, but let's see."
 
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Ahmed216 said:
Shadab khan was bowling very well?? I saw him bowl 2 full tosses and 2 half trackers every over.
Don't act like a fool Babar
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Exactly my thoughts but Babar azam is not accepting that Shadab is problem for them .
 
I know people are frustrated right now, but the overreaction in this community (i.e. Pakistan cricket fans) is so common that it's embarrassing. People who have never even played league cricket in their muhalla can see that there are things that are wrong so I'm sure international cricketers can see them as well. Just a hunch.

Yes, there were massive issues like middle overs bowling and batting, Yes, Babar's captaincy is not great. A lot of the blame goes to the administrators and politics in Pakistan. Imagine playing under three different administrations within the span of a few months. And the fact that Pakistan has been playing minnows and smaller oppositions (which is a fair criticism) is not on the players. Let me repeat, players don't plan these tours etc. Players play. That's it. Things need to change I agree, but I just truly don't understand this 'burn it all down' thinking. This team is imperfect but it's definitely not broken.

I still hope, and believe, Pakistan will have a pretty successful WC campaign. Here's hoping.
 
The way things going Babar will acknowledge shadab is the problem after getting knocked off the WC.
 
yes shadab is bowling so well that iftikhar has taken over getting the wickets.

Its a huge issue every team has a very wicket taking spinner apart from us. On top of we have the worst batting line up which makes things very difficult i am afraid.
 
Bhaijaan said:
A lot of people don’t realise that majority of those low full tosses were actually tactical. It was a genius ploy by Pakistani think tank that didn’t go as per plan.
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Explain the tactics behind it
 
Bhaijaan said:
In psychology, we call this ploy mind games. He was trying to toy with the minds of the batsmen.
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Aha

They must have really been confused as to how they are getting full tosses and half trackers so regularly at this level? Genius
 
What do you expect guys?He cant publicly say that shadad was crap but i feel that there would definitely be some questions being asked internally about his position.Also i feel that due to this performance Babars power will get curtailed a bit and the coaches will take over from him as he has been given too much authority in recent times.
 
We very well know what Babar actually thinks of Shadab’s bowling behind the scenes. He is not going to throw the VC under the bus in a press conference.
 
Galla said:
What do you expect guys?He cant publicly say that shadad was crap but i feel that they would definitely be some questions being asked internally about his position.Also i feel that due to this performance Babars power will get curtailed a bit and the coaches will take over from him as he has been given too much authority in recent times.
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No questions are being asked internally

This is a friends XI, not Pakistan XI. It’s like Sunday cricket, your mates will be available for next weekend regardless
 
Rana said:
No questions are being asked internally

This is a friends XI, not Pakistan XI. It’s like Sunday cricket, your mates will be available for next weekend regardless
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They are because Zaka has just joined and he already wanted to remove Mickey but due to the test win against SL he was forced to continue with them.The coaching staff also knows this and they would be worried about their jobs and hence i think they will make babar take the backseat and take the charge.Also this time Babar doesnt have the unlimited backing of the chairman that he enjoyed with Ramiz.
 
Galla said:
They are because Zaka has just joined and he already wanted to remove Mickey but due to the test win against SL he was forced to continue with them.The coaching staff also knows this and they would be worried about their jobs and hence i think they will make babar take the backseat and take the charge.Also this time Babar doesnt have the unlimited backing of the chairman that he enjoyed with Ramiz.
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The old men could well be beefing

But nothing, and I mean NONE of that will have any impact on the playing squad.

Babar’s clique is untouchable
 
Rana said:
The old men could well be beefing

But nothing, and I mean NONE of that will have any impact on the playing squad.

Babar’s clique is untouchable
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Bro Babar doesnt have that power anymore now.There were 2 Things that gave him unlimited power:
1)Chairman's total backing(he doesnt have that now)
2)The public thought he is the second coming of bradman and this opinion is also changing now with many fans being frustrated by his own performance and approach.
 
Galla said:
Bro Babar doesnt have that power anymore now.There were 2 Things that gave him unlimited power:
1)Chairman's total backing(he doesnt have that now)
2)The public thought he is the second coming of bradman and this opinion is also changing now with many fans being frustrated by his own performance and approach.
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Let’s wait and see brother

I’ve lost all hope with this lot. I had some hopes with Mickey setting things straight, but he isn’t invested emotionally with this team and is happy to just pick up free paycheques.

The Babar who grew up under his wings has now become too big for him to reign in.
 
This is just one example of dosti, bhaichara, bro culture. You scratch my back. I scratch yours. Really need to get out of this friendship culture if we are to have any chance of world cup. Baber is not a strong captain. He just keeps picking players based on reputation rather than their form or team combination.
 
What Shadab bowled last night on this pitch was pathetic. This is not just one game. He has been bowling mediocre for over a year now but since he is in good books of Baber we never saw any youngster getting his place. This bond of Baber with some players is alarming. It's not your Mohallah Team it's team Pakistan. Either perform or get benched and let someone better than you replace you.
 
MRSN said:
What Shadab bowled last night on this pitch was pathetic. This is not just one game. He has been bowling mediocre for over a year now but since he is in good books of Baber we never saw any youngster getting his place. This bond of Baber with some players is alarming. It's not your Mohallah Team it's team Pakistan. Either perform or get benched and let someone better than you replace you.
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Why is it alarming now?

This is team unity. This wasn’t present in teams before Babar’s. This is what we needed
 
MRSN said:
What Shadab bowled last night on this pitch was pathetic. This is not just one game. He has been bowling mediocre for over a year now but since he is in good books of Baber we never saw any youngster getting his place. This bond of Baber with some players is alarming. It's not your Mohallah Team it's team Pakistan. Either perform or get benched and let someone better than you replace you.
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I so wanted usama for shadab in the last match due to shadab being a one dimensional bowler. Usama has more variety in his bowling but shadab is a gun fielder. But we need shadab to bowl well which he has not done for past 1 year.
 
His comments are fine.
He's not going to criticize Shadab Khan in public. In fact, it's imperative to give your players a boost in public and you would be considered a poor captain if you didn't.
I'm sure there will be a whole separate conversation being had behind closed doors.
 
People acting as if Babar should lambast his players in public. Grow up, Shadab is a gun fielder and has over 80 ODI wickets averaging around 32, he is also handy with the bat so there is a lot to like here. Does his bowling need refinement and does he need some time away to fix it? Sure but that does not need to be a telling off in public. No captain should or would do that.
 
owenhcricket said:
People acting as if Babar should lambast his players in public. Grow up, Shadab is a gun fielder and has over 80 ODI wickets averaging around 32, he is also handy with the bat so there is a lot to like here. Does his bowling need refinement and does he need some time away to fix it? Sure but that does not need to be a telling off in public. No captain should or would do that.
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Yes I agree that the captain should back his players but when the player is underperforming for a long time, he needs to go. Shadab is not an immortal player who cannot be changed. He can be changed at least against B-teams or lower-ranking teams like Afghanistan Zimbabwe etc.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Yes I agree that the captain should back his players but when the player is underperforming for a long time, he needs to go. Shadab is not an immortal player who cannot be changed. He can be changed at least against B-teams or lower-ranking teams like Afghanistan Zimbabwe etc.
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I agree...but that missed the point of what I was saying, which is that Babar does not need to tell anyone off in front of the cameras.
 
What do you expect Babar to say?

People seem to think he should throw Shadab under the bus to justify how emotional they’re feeling right now.

Thankfully Babar has brains and understands that you don’t chastise your players in public.
 
aukhan said:
We are not winning this World Cup. If we're lucky, we may reach the semi-finals. Babar Azam will be removed after the World Cup so there is hope of a better future.
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A better future…

This team has 2 world class players in the XI - Shaheen and Babar himself.

On talent we are a 5th/6th ranked nation.

Do people really think that Babar is holding us back from dominating the big boys?

Maybe we’ll find out after the World Cup.
 
owenhcricket said:
People acting as if Babar should lambast his players in public. Grow up, Shadab is a gun fielder and has over 80 ODI wickets averaging around 32, he is also handy with the bat so there is a lot to like here. Does his bowling need refinement and does he need some time away to fix it? Sure but that does not need to be a telling off in public. No captain should or would do that.
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Average of 32 of your main spin bowler is pretty rubbish to be fair.
 
Disagree with a captain should not throw his players under the bus. Many Pakistani captains in the past have publicly called out other players like Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Akhtar for their poor performances and Shadab is not any where near them to shine their shoes in terms of cricketing quality. He has been under performing for a long time and needs to be publically called out.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Shadab averages 78 against the top 8 ODI teams, with 8 wickets in 12 matches (since 2021)

How on earth can you consider him your lead spinner? It's not his fault he is being pushed into a role he just cannot do.
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Shadab is a PSL discovery. His bowling has fallen behind significantly compared to his debut season in 2017 where he had a killer googly, flipper and a big turning leg spinner but he has badly regressed as a bowler where the opposition target him to release the pressure created by the first three pacers.

The PCB needs to instruct him to play two three seasons of first class cricket with plenty of overs and wickets under his belt before he will make a case for recall into the team.
 
owenhcricket said:
People acting as if Babar should lambast his players in public. Grow up, Shadab is a gun fielder and has over 80 ODI wickets averaging around 32, he is also handy with the bat so there is a lot to like here. Does his bowling need refinement and does he need some time away to fix it? Sure but that does not need to be a telling off in public. No captain should or would do that.
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He needs to be dropped. ANd yes the captain needs to say it out loud now.

Shadab has been a free passenger. Whenver Shadab has a bad game, he pulls out of tour on an injury excuse. This ends up with critics ignoring his figures. This is the first time ever we have seen Shadab play a whole series/tournament and didnt pull out (probably because he knew World Cup was coming and didnt want to be dropped from the squad). Because he played a full series and his performance is there for all critics, his stats are being dissected and there are flaws. Avg of 30+ in bowling is terrible.

His bowling can only improve by first class cricket. He needs to be dropped from the team. I dont care about his fielding. His batting is also bad, he chokes. He is there for his bowling which he sucks at.
 
The way Shadab and some of the other players were being over friendly with the Indian players, I knew straight away their attitude is wrong. They think if they suck up hard enough they will get IPL contracts. ODI is the closest thing to Tests, it will expose a poor player and that is what's happening.

Some of these players have made a career out of minnow bashing and a clique of friends sustains their place in the squad. This happens with the Pakistan team time and time again.
 
Saj said:
Bowling well?

I must have been watching a different tournament.

Full-tosses, half-trackers almost every over. That's not bowling well.
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What are your thoughts on this Abrar. He’s obviously raw, but we have seen mystery spinners where the opposition have not faced or had time to analyse properly can cause problems. It’s won’t be the first time we’ve put a rookie in a major tournament
 
Major said:
He needs to be dropped. ANd yes the captain needs to say it out loud now.

Shadab has been a free passenger. Whenver Shadab has a bad game, he pulls out of tour on an injury excuse. This ends up with critics ignoring his figures. This is the first time ever we have seen Shadab play a whole series/tournament and didnt pull out (probably because he knew World Cup was coming and didnt want to be dropped from the squad). Because he played a full series and his performance is there for all critics, his stats are being dissected and there are flaws. Avg of 30+ in bowling is terrible.

His bowling can only improve by first class cricket. He needs to be dropped from the team. I dont care about his fielding. His batting is also bad, he chokes. He is there for his bowling which he sucks at.
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This is just typical Pakistan conspiracy nonsense...sorry, we're still buddies!
 
emranabbas said:
Average of 32 of your main spin bowler is pretty rubbish to be fair.
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I wouldn't say rubbish, Adil Rashid has probably been the best ODI bowler on the planet since the 2015 world cup and he averages the same...but Pakistan has done better and should do better in the spin department. This is the land of Mushy, Shaqqy and Saeed.
 
As a main spinner he was getting smashed for 2-3 boundaries every over. While your part time iftikhar getting wickets and troubling the batsmen this mean shadab need rehab.

But, as we all know he will continue to play, aus, eng and india will make 70+ runs off him in WC. Just call abrar ahmed for WC
 
Bhaijaan said:
A lot of people don’t realise that majority of those low full tosses were actually tactical. It was a genius ploy by Pakistani think tank that didn’t go as per plan.
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Brother, this comment is even more hilarious then the kudleep yadav vs shadab Khan thread.
 
My issue isn't babar not abusing shadab in public lol. If I was the captain I would never abuse a player who's performing poor in public.

The issue is, Babar is actually supporting shadab here by saying he bowled well, when he didn't. Imagine your front line spinner being overshadowed by chacha who isn't even a full time bowler and is bang Average at it.

When a player is performing poorly, you gotta tell the public that they performed poorly. It's not like babar hasn't done this in the past.

When fawad Alam wasn't performing, Babar outright stated it and straight up told everyone that "Fawad Bhai" will be dropped. He didn't insult fawad alam but detailed the reasons for his poor performance in a respectful manner.

Why didn't he do that here? It's simple because shadab, Shaheen, Rizwan. These 3 are the friend circles of Pakistan and are undroppable irrespective of what they do.

Imam is privedlged but he isn't beyond being dropped as he's been rested numerous times and Management has tried to dispose of him for shan masood in the past.

Fakhar was given leeway but he ain't undroppable either for his string of poor performances and babar is happy to critise fakhar but not shadab.

Same with our middle order and bowlers, they ain't beyond being dropped.

Rizwan, Shadab and Shaheen ( Selection criteria doesn't apply to them, For fakhar babar is like oh fakhar didn't perform well it isn't excusable, but for shadab who performed 10x worse then fakhar, the argument changes, oh he bowled well but didn't pick up any wickets.)

^^ Like what does that even mean? Bowling well but never picking up any wickets and not even being economical?

You can either bowl well and be economical and wicketless or you can be like haris, expensive but takes wickets, or you can be both economical and take wickets.

You can't be wicket less and uneconomical at the same time and then state that you bowled well lol.
 
Shahdab Khan threw an unnecessary throw to the Wickets. And it had cost 2 runs. On last delivery yesterday Pakistan needed 2 runs. If it was not happened then we would have won the match by 2 runs.
 
If it was Pak vs Ind final, i am not convinced, that we are mentally prepared to face India and defeat them comfortably. Alot of loop holes in squad and management of Pakistan team. Now we are ranking 3rd in ODI
 
FearlessRoar said:
Shahdab Khan threw an unnecessary throw to the Wickets. And it had cost 2 runs. On last delivery yesterday Pakistan needed 2 runs. If it was not happened then we would have won the match by 2 runs.
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We win the match and then what? Recieve another beating by India?

With our Injured pacers, who are the only hope that we have to upset an Indian team, we'd have received a thrashing. Shadab, Nawaz, Faheem, Shaheen who's injured with a broken finger atm, zaman Khan, Dhani, Chacha etc let's be honest these boys are getting smoked by Indian batsmen.
 
Also I just read what babar said. Babar really called shadab our best bowler. He didn't even say best spin bowler. He said best bowler, meaning babar thinks shadab is better then our wicket taking trio 😂😂😂😂😂.
 
Time for my analysis skills to tear this interview apart.

Argument 1: Was 252 good enough?

"I believe the total of 252 was a good one and not bad on that pitch, we were not up to the mark in our bowling from start to finish, and also in the middle; We did not take wickets in the middle overs and that partnership was very costly for us; We did make a comeback in the last 5 overs, but unfortunately we did not finish well."

^^ 252 wasn't a bad score I agree, and this statement is the only one I agree with Mr No 1.

Argument 2: Regarding absence of Naseem and Rauf for this game

"Definitely, when you lose 2 of your best bowlers, that does cost (effect) your team, but the other bowlers and all other players did give their 100% in this game, but we did not finish well."

^^ Who told you to play your best bowlers when it's boiling hot and humid in lahore and when you have to travel between 2 countries constantly? Did you not learn anything from the shaheen injury last World Cup? Are you really suprised when they get injured even if you're wasting their time playing against Nepal? Mashallah winning 11 philosophy is clearly showing.

Argument 3: Did Shadab Khan underperform in this tournament

"Yes, Shadab Khan was bowling very well but just not taking wickets which is why you may feel that he was not bowling well; He is our best bowler, as is Mohammad Nawaz."

^^ Joke of the century, If he was bowling well but not taking wickets he would economical. He was more expensive and took less wickets then chacha who isn't even a proper bowler to begin with. How is nawaz your best bowler? He the pinnacle of a defensive mindset.


Argument 4: On Zaman Khan

"He showed great character and has also done well in the past where two times in the PSL finals he has bowled in the last over, so he had a lot of confidence in him for this task but bowling in international games is a different thing."

Brother zaman Khan didn't do too badly, why not blame shadab for giving away 2 extra runs and helping Sri lanka win? Did zaman Khan underperform? Yes he did, but why you claiming that zaman underperformed and didn't perform up to international standards but praising shadab Khan the worst bowler of the tournament as if theirs no tommorow? Hypocrite much?

Argument 5: World Cup preparation in the context of the Asia Cup performance

"The tournament was good for us but we also made a lot of mistakes for which we need to discuss internally; You also saw that our fielding did not respond in the way it should have, we have some issues in the middle overs when it comes to bowling, so we will work on a few items; As I said, our main strike bowlers unfortunately became unfit and that does make a difference; There are always mistakes made but we will learn from them and will fix these before we go into the World Cup"

^^ Good for you? What are you talking about bro? You're the reason our trio got unfit in the first place? Why not man up and admit it that you're the problem? And if bangaldesh beats India today then you're finishing last in the super 4 stage? You suffered the most humiliating defeat in the tournament and are in danger of finishing last innthe super 4 points table, this tournament is anything but good for you.

Argument 6: When asked about what his Plan B will be if Haris Rauf and Naseem Shah become unfit for the World Cup

"I can't tell you my Plan B for the World Cup, will tell you later (smiled)"

"Haris Rauf has a side strain and it's not too bad and he will recover before the World Cup, Naseem Shah may miss a couple of matches (in the World Cup), but I don't know yet about how long his recovery will take; In my opinion, Naseem Shah will be in the World Cup later on, but let's see."

^^ Brother you don't have a Plan B 😂😂, that's why you can't tell us a plan B. Your plan B is hoping these 2 get fit again after you injured them. 😂😂
 
People are reading too much into the comment on shadabs bowling. This is babars way of dealing with the media, he doesn't ever publicly say that his player is playing poorly. Go back to khushdil and asif. I actually like it, keep the criticism in private rather than making a player the target of scrutiny from the whole nation.
 
Zaman Khan did not under perform. You gave him a very stupid field setting. Dont throw Zaman Khan under the bus.
 
I wouldn't expect a skipper to throw any of his players under the bus, but there has to be a more honest assessment and a constructive way of dealing with your players shortcomings.

It's almost like if he says something good about them, their mistakes and weaknesses will disappear.
 
shamaan said:
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Na, it does not work that way.

Field is always set by the captain. Captain has the final say. Yes bowlers do have a say and can give their recommendations aswell. But final call is of the captain. Also, another think is experience bowlers might set their own field, but newer bowlers rely on the captain, especially those that lack experience.

Babar Azam is at fault for the pathetic field placements of his
 
Major said:
He needs to be dropped. ANd yes the captain needs to say it out loud now.

Shadab has been a free passenger. Whenver Shadab has a bad game, he pulls out of tour on an injury excuse. This ends up with critics ignoring his figures. This is the first time ever we have seen Shadab play a whole series/tournament and didnt pull out (probably because he knew World Cup was coming and didnt want to be dropped from the squad). Because he played a full series and his performance is there for all critics, his stats are being dissected and there are flaws. Avg of 30+ in bowling is terrible.

His bowling can only improve by first class cricket. He needs to be dropped from the team. I dont care about his fielding. His batting is also bad, he chokes. He is there for his bowling which he sucks at.
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Bro you were saying a few months back that Shadab's body can't take the rigors of FC cricket.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Bro you were saying a few months back that Shadab's body can't take the rigors of FC cricket.
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yes i said that.

but if he wants to play odi cricket he will have to play first class.

Or else he can be a freelance t20 player. He is capable of odi cricket with his lack of skills currently
 
Babar backs his players much more than any of our previous captains did. (Khushdil, Haider, Hasan, Asif, Haider)
But he needs to draw the line somewhere.

I do think he's just not throwing his under fire players out to the wolves.

We need to fix the Shoaib Malik and Hasan Ali problem of this current world cup before it's too late (as soon as these two were dropped in 2019 wc, Pak started winning)
 
Major said:
He needs to be dropped. ANd yes the captain needs to say it out loud now.

Shadab has been a free passenger. Whenver Shadab has a bad game, he pulls out of tour on an injury excuse. This ends up with critics ignoring his figures. This is the first time ever we have seen Shadab play a whole series/tournament and didnt pull out (probably because he knew World Cup was coming and didnt want to be dropped from the squad). Because he played a full series and his performance is there for all critics, his stats are being dissected and there are flaws. Avg of 30+ in bowling is terrible.

His bowling can only improve by first class cricket. He needs to be dropped from the team. I dont care about his fielding. His batting is also bad, he chokes. He is there for his bowling which he sucks at.
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A players performance doesn't improve by playing test.

Test, odi and t20 are different formats altogether. You can be a good test bowler or a test batsmen but a horrible limited overs player.

Younis khan was a god at test. I've never seen such class, but for some reason that same class didn't transfer over to limited overs.

Yasir Shah was also a class test bowler, but drafting him in limited overs not only ruined his career in LO but also deteriorated his test performance.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Babar backs his players much more than any of our previous captains did. (Khushdil, Haider, Hasan, Asif, Haider)
But he needs to draw the line somewhere.

I do think he's just not throwing his under fire players out to the wolves.

We need to fix the Shoaib Malik and Hasan Ali problem of this current world cup before it's too late (as soon as these two were dropped in 2019 wc, Pak started winning)
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Babar literally threw zaman Khan under the bus in the same interview but has the gall to say shadab Khan is a good bowler.

He does feed his players to the wolves lol. He just doesn't feed his own buddies to them.
 
mominsaigol said:
A players performance doesn't improve by playing test.

Test, odi and t20 are different formats altogether. You can be a good test bowler or a test batsmen but a horrible limited overs player.

Younis khan was a god at test. I've never seen such class, but for some reason that same class didn't transfer over to limited overs.

Yasir Shah was also a class test bowler, but drafting him in limited overs not only ruined his career in LO but also deteriorated his test performance.
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A spinner only improves in all format by playing test cricket. Test cricket makes you bowl longer spells, those long spells makes you learn how to spin the ball, how to get varieties.

Spin bowling is a very slow art to master. Alot of spinners only got better when they got older.

Spinners do well in international cricket when they have years of experience behind them. Spinners are a different breed of cricketers
 
Major said:
A spinner only improves in all format by playing test cricket. Test cricket makes you bowl longer spells, those long spells makes you learn how to spin the ball, how to get varieties.

Spin bowling is a very slow art to master. Alot of spinners only got better when they got older.

Spinners do well in international cricket when they have years of experience behind them. Spinners are a different breed of cricketers
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That wasn't the case for yasir Shah, nor will it be the case for nouman ali, ironically nouman is a better option then shadab.
 
mominsaigol said:
That wasn't the case for yasir Shah, nor will it be the case for nouman ali, ironically nouman is a better option then shadab.
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in his hay days, Yasir Shah was very atheletic and was like Shadab in the field. Yasir shahs issue was he didnt have a googly and bowled traditional leg spin

Nauman Ali is left arm spinner, and left arm spinners dont really play ODI cricket unless they can bat. Left arm spinners dont have turn. There arn't actual left arm offies, all most all of them are slow left arm orthodox.
 
Major said:
in his hay days, Yasir Shah was very atheletic and was like Shadab in the field. Yasir shahs issue was he didnt have a googly and bowled traditional leg spin

Nauman Ali is left arm spinner, and left arm spinners dont really play ODI cricket unless they can bat. Left arm spinners dont have turn. There arn't actual left arm offies, all most all of them are slow left arm orthodox.
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Yasir Shah was not good in white ball cricket, bit overrated leg spinner i would say with no turn at all.

He mostly relies on the drifts he generates in the air and when he doesn't achieve any drift his performance becomes flat.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Yasir Shah was not good in white ball cricket, bit overrated leg spinner i would say with no turn at all.

He mostly relies on the drifts he generates in the air and when he doesn't achieve any drift his performance becomes flat.
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naa, he was amongst the best spinners produced by Pakistan in test.

In odis you need variety, but in test you need to bowl 6 balls at the same spot and see the magic.

Yasir should had been allowed to play more games and snatch the record from Danish kaneria of highest spin wicket taker. His deliveries spun well and was accurate. His issue was he got old and had fitness issues. At by the end of his career he should had been played in Asian conditions more
 
he is still trying to cover shadab which means no place for Immad Wasim in worldcup squad.
 
One issue is the language barrier, I feel Babar is unable to express himself well and ends up not saying what he means to say, even with Naseem's injury, I felt he may have misinformed us as Naseem is in Dubai undergoing tests and Babar is already declaring him unfit for the World Cup so I would not take much notice of his answers in English.
 
Shadab's Bowling avg against,

Ind/SA/NZ/Eng/SL - 39

Afg/Nepal/Hong Kong/Zim/BD - 21

Makes his career avg 32.

Career avg of 32 may not be bad, but career avg of 32 only due to performing against the likes of Nepal, Hong Kong, Zim, BD etc is bad.

If Pakistan is looking to compete against Nepal, Zim etc then he is a good player otherwise he is averaging near 40 against decent teams. Surely, any team will struggle if spin bowler is going to average near 40. He is neither a bowler or batsman based on what I have seen. Pace unit is good, but spin unit is non-existent.
 
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