Shaheen Afridi's poor last over is just as much to blame for the loss as Hassan Ali's dropped catch

[shah9425]

It was tactical errors in last 4 overs can't put blame on one guy

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I don't think Hassan's dropped catch or Afridi's poor last over were the only reasons for defeat. Throughout Pakistan and Australia's innings, there were several occasions when Pakistan could have done things better - better batting against spinners, run out chances, dropped catches, better thought though bowling etc.

However, everyone remembers only the last 5 overs. Unfair.

 

[street cricketer]

You are being too harsh on a 21 year old baby in international cricket.

Lol you would be calling for the head if an Indian player had done this

 

[Colorblind Genius]

 

[realitygaf]

If you want a list of collective "failures"

limited failures
- Babar Azam strike rate before getting out
- 19th over going for 3 runs
- not bowling shaheens 3rd over before 13th over
- middle order collapse

big failures
- not bowling more spin
- 3 sixes in penultimate over
- 4 run outs missed

game changing failures
- drop catch

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol you would be calling for the head if an Indian player had done this

My comment went over your head. Try again.

 

[street cricketer]

My comment went over your head. Try again.

Fair play

 

[cricketjoshila]

2016 T20 WC semi Rahane 40 off 35

2021 T20 WC semi Babbar 39 off 34

Anyone sees any similarity?

 

[Giannis]

I don't think Hassan's dropped catch or Afridi's poor last over were the only reasons for defeat. Throughout Pakistan and Australia's innings, there were several occasions when Pakistan could have done things better - better batting against spinners, run out chances, dropped catches, better thought though bowling etc.

However, everyone remembers only the last 5 overs. Unfair.

We only dropped one catch, the fielding was excellent throughout the match, that dropped catch made people switch back to the same old narrative of Pakistan being a "bad fielding side". It's hard to break stereotypes even when they were spot on for most of the game, Australia dropped even more catches.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Shaheen should have bowled 3 overs upfront.
The catch cost the game they wouldn't have got thier if they caught it.

I would have brought Shaheen on when Wade/Stoinis partnership started to blossom.

 

[UzmanBeast]

2016 T20 WC semi Rahane 40 off 35

2021 T20 WC semi Babbar 39 off 34

Anyone sees any similarity?

WI game was something else. Cannot be compared to this one.

PakvsAus was constantly a game of tug and war, and in the end, Australia kept pulling whilst we kept slipping.

 

[Lego20]

In the IPL I have seen pacers resort to full blooded outside off stump yorkers when they are dealing with a dangerous hitter in the zone. In this format there are times when the bowler has to realize he can't get a wicket and needs to desperately bowl a dot delivery instead. This is a skill that Pakistani bowlers need to learn against the best T20 batting line up's

Finally, some praise and admiration for IPL! And, admission of our neighbor watching it secretly (I want a Shaheen Afridi Emoji!)

 

[shamaan]

I would have brought Shaheen on when Wade/Stoinis partnership started to blossom.

I just think shaheen should be bowling most of his overs upfront as he's way better upfront than at the death.

 

[UzmanBeast]

I just think shaheen should be bowling most of his overs upfront as he's way better upfront than at the death.

I agree.

IMO we need to find a bowler who hits the deck hard, to complement Shaheen in the PP.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He is young and 95% of his career has been international cricket and PSL. He needs to work with the right people to get a better mindset, game awareness, adapting and developing new skills. What happened in the game was a freakish knock by Wade that can occur anywhere by anyone. It wasn't like he ran into a rampant Stokes or a prime Dhoni who revel in pressure situations. Plus his case isn't helped by the fact that he been taught by Aqib Javed and Waqar Younis for the majority of his career.

 

[Artaxerxes]

People should get over the loss in semi final and move on.Hope the team will learn from it’s mistakes.Winning and losing is part of the game.England was billed as the favourite but it lost the semi final.

 

[Kroll]

Finally, some praise and admiration for IPL! And, admission of our neighbor watching it secretly (I want a Shaheen Afridi Emoji!)

Don't know why any self-respecting Pakistan fan would? Since our players are debarred from it.

It doesn't merit any praise or admiration whatsoever from our POV.

 

[Napa]

If you watched the game the bubble burst within Pakistan team with that catch. all the players were almost on their knees. SHaheen was OUT of it at that point. That drop catch was THE pivotal moment. Shaheen gave up as did the rest of the Pakistani team. they were emotionally exhausted by the dropped catch

Professionals shouldn’t let a “bubble burst”. After the dropped catch the “win predictor” still favored Pakistan with 56%. It actually rose from 55% from the previous ball.





It of course would have been even higher than 56% if the catch had been taken, but Pakistan was still very much in the game. Regardless of setbacks, professionals shouldn’t give up when they still have a chance to win, however small. And Pakistan was actually still favored to win.

 

[sweep_shot]

Professionals shouldn’t let a “bubble burst”. After the dropped catch the “win predictor” still favored Pakistan with 56%. It actually rose from 55% from the previous ball.

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It of course would have been even higher than 56% if the catch had been taken, but Pakistan was still very much in the game. Regardless of setbacks, professionals shouldn’t give up when they still have a chance to win, however small. And Pakistan was actually still favored to win.

Do you actually take win predictor seriously? LOL.

 

[Napa]

Do you actually take win predictor seriously? LOL.

I take it more seriously than your analysis such as “Maxwell is the only dangerous Aussie batter left”.

The predictor is based on statistical analysis of previous games. Maybe you didn’t take statistics seriously too.

 

[Napa]

Idk that wasn't an easy catch as hassan had to make a lot of ground and wasn't even feeling well at the end of his over, that ball itself was a poor delivery I actually thought it was going to be six but fell short, I think Shaheen was gonna be smacked for sixes regardless of the outcome of that catch. He just lost his momentum from his first spell.

Also, Hassan may have momentarily lost the ball in front of the floodlights.

 

[sweep_shot]

I take it more seriously than your analysis such as “Maxwell is the only dangerous Aussie batter left”.

The predictor is based on statistical analysis of previous games. Maybe you didn’t take statistics seriously too.

That was not my analysis. LOL. It was a commentary thread where things move very fast.

You clearly have a faulty understanding of the definition of "analysis".

You also give too much emphasize on irrelevant statistics.

 

[Runner Up]

Hassan Ali did drop the world cup that is the fact. Shaheen Afridi just couldn't recover after what Hassan Ali did and he started bowling yorkers instead of length balls one after another. Arrey bhai yorker he daalni thi to wide yorkers daalta but as I said he just lost his mind.

 

[Napa]

That was not my analysis. LOL. It was a commentary thread where things move very fast.

So "Maxwell only" was not your opinion but someone from the commentary thread. It is not honest to quote without attribution.

You clearly have a faulty understanding of the definition of "analysis".

You also give too much emphasize on irrelevant statistics.

Statistics makes a probabilistic prediction. Maybe random posters on the internet can make better predictions than the "win predictor", but I doubt it.

If you like, you can do a statistical test to check the accuracy of the predictor.

 

[sweep_shot]

So "Maxwell only" was not your opinion but someone from the commentary thread. It is not honest to quote without attribution.



Statistics makes a probabilistic prediction. Maybe random posters on the internet can make better predictions than the "win predictor", but I doubt it.

You are mudding the water and being very pretentious here.

Why would I post an analysis on a commentary thread? Commentary threads are like chat rooms. Things move fast. Posters post fast.

Win predictor is a joke and anyone who follows cricket regularly is unlikely to take it seriously.

Maybe watching too much IPL is making you focus too much on irrelevant statistics.

 

[PakEngFan]

Indians seem hell bent on blaming it on Shaheen.

 

[Napa]

You are mudding the water and being very pretentious here.

Why would I post an analysis on a commentary thread? Commentary threads are like chat rooms. Things move fast. Posters post fast.

Win predictor is a joke and anyone who follows cricket regularly is unlikely to take it seriously.

Maybe watching too much IPL is making you focus too much on irrelevant statistics.

I value the "win predictor" more than I will ever value your "analysis". You may think differently, that is your choice.

You may disagree, peace.

 

[Napa]

Indians seem hell bent on blaming it on Shaheen.

... and Pakistanis like Shahid Afridi.

I don't know about "Indians", but personally I think the loss is not due to one player, but many players. My point is that the loss didn't become inevitable after Hassan dropped the catch, the team could still have won.

Somewhere in the world, Rahat Ali is smiling.

 

[mikeypbadana86]

Thé missed run out chances ,thé actual différence.

I still remember imran nazirs run out in 2007 t20 World cup final against india,when hé was going great Guns 33 off 14 balla which tilted thé match in Indias favour

Recently concluded IPL RCB lost thé match and ended up in 3rd place as opposéd to second, when maxwell was run out against sunrisers

 

[PakLFC]

Remember some months back Hassan dropped Kemar Roach I think at the boundary line. The result was we lost the series to the West Indies. I just do not trust his catching consequently can not forgive him for letting us down again. He will cost us many future matches I assure you.

 

[Suleiman]

The catch came at a crucial point and broke his spirit for sure. If Wade had been caught it would’ve given Shaheen the momentum and confidence to bowl better. Ofc part of the game is how you bounce back when one of your team mates drops one.

Hasan still takes most of the blame for the loss because not only did he bowl absolute dross that day, but dropped the wicket of the guy who finished things off. A wicket falling at that point in time would’ve definitely increased the pressure on Aus (though they would still be favorites to win from there- but not by much)

 

[street cricketer]

I don't know why Pakistanis keep blaming Hasan for the catch. It was not a straight forward catch at all, he had to catch it while running sideways and 7/10 times every Pakistani fielder drops that barring Shadab. Even with the catch, I don't think it was a given Pakistan would've won as scoring 20 off 10 balls is not an impossible scenario for batsmen these days, especially when you had a set Stoinis at the other end and the likes of Cummins and Starc are no mugs with the bat. 170 was just not enough as Aus showed in the final.

 

[shamaan]

I agree.

IMO we need to find a bowler who hits the deck hard, to complement Shaheen in the PP.

Dahani needs to partner shaheen.altough both proberly not as good with the older ball.

 

[Zaz]

Sorry but hasan ali has been on and off a liability with the ball and in the field too

He needs to stop with all his theatrics and actually start performing or he can sit out again

 

[shamaan]

Indians seem hell bent on blaming it on Shaheen.

That's becouse they know how good shaheen is

 

[Savak]

Why didn't the captain and the senior players go up to Shaheen and slow the game down?

I am surprised no one has mentioned this. Wasim Akram has mentioned this that there are times in T-20 cricket where the batsman is just on an unstoppable roll and given the fast paced nature of the format and the critical match situation, sometimes the bowler just falls under pressure and cannot think for himself instantly. In this situation, it is vital that the captain, the vice captain, wicket keeper, senior players form a huddle or go up to the bowler to calm him down, get him to take a break for a minute or two and give him suggestions on what to bowl precisely given the form the batsman is and what is the likeliest way to get a dot ball.

This is what the likes of Babar, Rizwan, Hafeez and Shoaib Malik are there. What was the point of having Hafeez, Malik in the squad if they were not going to provide the side their experience. Surely someone could have suggested to Shaheen to bowl a wife outside the offstump full blooded 90 mph plus yorker to either get a dot ball or to restrict the batsman to a single. If Wade and Stoinos would have gotten only 2-3 of the next 3 deliveries. That would have left 16-17 runs to get of the final over.

I was very dissapointed to see the captain and the senior players not play their roles properly given that scenario. I have seen Dhoni do stuff like in very tight games loads of time and even come out on top. Who can forget the India Bangladesh T-20 WC match in 2016.

 

[Napa]

I am surprised no one has mentioned this. Wasim Akram has mentioned this that there are times in T-20 cricket where the batsman is just on an unstoppable roll and given the fast paced nature of the format and the critical match situation, sometimes the bowler just falls under pressure and cannot think for himself instantly. In this situation, it is vital that the captain, the vice captain, wicket keeper, senior players form a huddle or go up to the bowler to calm him down, get him to take a break for a minute or two and give him suggestions on what to bowl precisely given the form the batsman is and what is the likeliest way to get a dot ball.

This is what the likes of Babar, Rizwan, Hafeez and Shoaib Malik are there. What was the point of having Hafeez, Malik in the squad if they were not going to provide the side their experience. Surely someone could have suggested to Shaheen to bowl a wife outside the offstump full blooded 90 mph plus yorker to either get a dot ball or to restrict the batsman to a single. If Wade and Stoinos would have gotten only 2-3 of the next 3 deliveries. That would have left 16-17 runs to get of the final over.

I was very dissapointed to see the captain and the senior players not play their roles properly given that scenario. I have seen Dhoni do stuff like in very tight games loads of time and even come out on top. Who can forget the India Bangladesh T-20 WC match in 2016.

Excellent question...

Quite a contrast from the India-Bangladesh T20 WC in 2016 with India playing Bangladesh. Dhoni, Yuvraj, Kohli and especially Nehra spent quite a bit of time talking to Pandya. India managed to win though Bangladesh needed only 2 runs from the last 3 balls.



Just because a catch is dropped doesn't mean the game is over. Australia still had to get 18 runs from 9 balls, hardly a situation for a team to give up.

 

[sweep_shot]

Yeah. Good point.

I thought Shaheen bowled those 3 deliveries very quickly. They could've had a little team meeting.

 

[Rana]

The whole team was shell shocked after the Hassan over and then the drop catch

20 off 6 is peanuts these days when the momentum is with you, this was still 20 off 12 to begin the over with, the drop catch just confirmed to everyone that this match is gone now. Plus I feel there was no confidence in Rauf saving the game even if he had 10-12 runs to play with.

 

[Savak]

The whole team was shell shocked after the Hassan over and then the drop catch

20 off 6 is peanuts these days when the momentum is with you, this was still 20 off 12 to begin the over with, the drop catch just confirmed to everyone that this match is gone now. Plus I feel there was no confidence in Rauf saving the game even if he had 10-12 runs to play with.

These are not good enough excuses. A team like Australia would never give up from this situation, they will make you fight and earn every run.

 

[Rana]

These are not good enough excuses. A team like Australia would never give up from this situation, they will make you fight and earn every run.

You can’t compare the two nations when it comes to sporting mindset. There is no other sporting nation in the world that can rival the Australian mindset, even the US in comparison is a myth that they are as mentally strong as the Australians.

Pakistanis are emotionally motivated, a lot of passion and aggression but they can give up a lot quicker than others. I was amazed how Pakistan did not give up in the CT17 final when Azhar Ali dropped Kohli, who was at the peak of his powers at the time and was a monster chaser in cricket.

 

[Napa]

You can’t compare the two nations when it comes to sporting mindset. There is no other sporting nation in the world that can rival the Australian mindset, even the US in comparison is a myth.

The comeback Test series win by India after being blown away by Australia in the first Test certainly showed Indians could match the Aussies mentally.

 

[Major]

2022, looking at the way Shaheen and Haris got smoked, just shows death bowling is still a big concern. Both these bowlers bowl the last few overs for Pakistan cricket.

Even in the world t20 it was these two along with hassan who were getting smoked.

Shaheen might have become a star, but he is yet to bowl well in death overs.

 

[Rana]

Shaheen should bowl 3 in the powerplay and one over after the time out break.

After this, he has no business besides fielding at long on!

 

[Third Man]

Shaheen should bowl 3 in the powerplay and one over after the time out break.

After this, he has no business besides fielding at long on!

Well if you're saying this after watching today's match, Haris Rauf shouldn't be bowling at all then.

 

[silentkiller187]

88.4
Hasan Ali to Chandimal, no run, dropped! Was that a slower delivery nicely disguised? Chandimal hit this straight to Hasan Ali, he was in a good position to catch but he spilled this. Should have been taken. Hasan Ali stretches for putting it down. Hope he hasn't injured himself attempting that catch

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[Moeey]

Shaheen should bowl 3 in the powerplay and one over after the time out break.

After this, he has no business besides fielding at long on!

He has bowled the most overs overall. He is amongst top 5 along with Cummins bumrah etc. He needs rest. Can't perform constantly without proper rest. He is a class bowler.