"Shaheen might have gone for 14-15 crore had he been there at the IPL auction" : Ravi Ashwin

[Moeey]

I'm not gonna bother arguing this topic any longer with someone who did not even see Amir bowl during his early days.

Amir is definitely a nobody and he will go down in history as a nobody. But that was not the case when he burst onto the scene.

Asif was special. Not amir.

 

[MenInG]

Asif was special. Not amir.

STAY ON TOPIC.

Thread is about SSA.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

When someone as good as Shaheen comes around you don't need for him to do XYZ to declare he is once in a generation. The very idea that one player can single-handedly win you a series is ludicrous and has no basis in reality.

India won those two series in Australia because they had a very good and balanced side, of which someone like Rishabh Pant was a key part of. But to say Pant single-handedly won India that series is simply wrong. It was a team effort where a number of guys played integral roles.

Pakistan unfortunately does not have that kind of balanced side in test cricket right now. But that doesn't take away from how good Babar is or how good Shaheen is.

Their legacy will be based on their accomplishments but their ability, talent, class is evident right now. And only a fool who knows nothing about cricket would deny that.

 

[GreenBee]

And there isn't about Indian bowlers? I guess you were living under a rock when Indian posters were over-hyping Umran Malik to the moon.

Umran hype was all pace, take that away and he is barely club level.

Hype around Shaheen on the other hand seems to be about him being in the same league as Bumrah and Cummins, and eclipsing them soon in your own words, which is just not true.

His entire Test career has been bashing minnows while getting smashed against top sides. He will have to change that to come anywhere close to Bumrah and Cummins, and then we can talk about eclipsing the two.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Umran hype was all pace, take that away and he is barely club level.

Hype around Shaheen on the other hand seems to be about him being in the same league as Bumrah and Cummins, and eclipsing them soon in your own words, which is just not true.

His entire Test career has been bashing minnows while getting smashed against top sides. He will have to change that to come anywhere close to Bumrah and Cummins, and then we can talk about eclipsing the two.

He is very much in the same league because whenever people talk about the greatest fast-bowlers in the world today they talk about Cummins, Bumrah, Rabada and Shaheen. That is the very definition of beng in the same league.

Shaheen is also in his early 20s whereas Bumrah is 28, Cummins is 29 and Rabada is 27 which automatically means that the time left on their careers is not that much. Especially for someone like Bumrah who has started picking up a number of injuries in recent years.

Meanwhile Shaheen at this young age has already won Cricketer of the Year and established himself as one of the top fast-bowlers in the world...with his best years ahead of him.

As for my statement saying that Shaheen will eclipse the other three, that's not a prediction...that's a spoiler.

 

[GreenBee]

He is very much in the same league because whenever people talk about the greatest fast-bowlers in the world today they talk about Cummins, Bumrah, Rabada and Shaheen. That is the very definition of beng in the same league.

Shaheen is also in his early 20s whereas Bumrah is 28, Cummins is 29 and Rabada is 27 which automatically means that the time left on their careers is not that much. Especially for someone like Bumrah who has started picking up a number of injuries in recent years.

Meanwhile Shaheen at this young age has already won Cricketer of the Year and established himself as one of the top fast-bowlers in the world...with his best years ahead of him.

As for my statement saying that Shaheen will eclipse the other three, that's not a prediction...that's a spoiler.

For that to happen, not being a cannon-fodder in Test Cricket would be good start. He can't keep playing Zim, Bangla, WI and Sri Lanka forever to balance the harmless pie-chucking against top sides.

 

[MenInG]

Small reminder

The statement about SSA was made by a current Indian player.

Stick to answering him.

 

[Mesozoic]

I have watched enough of Shaheen's Test match bowling to say that he is currently nowhere near the level of Bumrah, Cummins or Rabada. Heck even Shami, Hazlewood, Boult, Nortje or Jamieson. .

People are going way overboard with his hype over here.

 

[Moeey]

I have watched enough of Shaheen's Test match bowling to say that he is currently nowhere near the level of Bumrah, Cummins or Rabada. Heck even Shami, Hazlewood, Boult, Nortje or Jamieson. .

People are going way overboard with his hype over here.

Agreed. In t20 he is very good but even in t20 outside opening spell he hasn't been good vs top sides. Honest truth.

Bumrah is also not a wicket taker in t20. He has declined. He is overrated in t20.

So has rabada.

I would say hazlewood Is the best followed by joffra. Rest including shaheen etc come after.

 

[Moeey]

When someone as good as Shaheen comes around you don't need for him to do XYZ to declare he is once in a generation. The very idea that one player can single-handedly win you a series is ludicrous and has no basis in reality.

India won those two series in Australia because they had a very good and balanced side, of which someone like Rishabh Pant was a key part of. But to say Pant single-handedly won India that series is simply wrong. It was a team effort where a number of guys played integral roles.

Pakistan unfortunately does not have that kind of balanced side in test cricket right now. But that doesn't take away from how good Babar is or how good Shaheen is.

Their legacy will be based on their accomplishments but their ability, talent, class is evident right now. And only a fool who knows nothing about cricket would deny that.

Then how did hadlee do well for n.z by himself. You could make such excuses for lot of players.
Shaheen isn't good enough in tests or even odi outside opening spell. That's the reality.

 

[Moeey]

He is very much in the same league because whenever people talk about the greatest fast-bowlers in the world today they talk about Cummins, Bumrah, Rabada and Shaheen. That is the very definition of beng in the same league.

Shaheen is also in his early 20s whereas Bumrah is 28, Cummins is 29 and Rabada is 27 which automatically means that the time left on their careers is not that much. Especially for someone like Bumrah who has started picking up a number of injuries in recent years.

Meanwhile Shaheen at this young age has already won Cricketer of the Year and established himself as one of the top fast-bowlers in the world...with his best years ahead of him.

As for my statement saying that Shaheen will eclipse the other three, that's not a prediction...that's a spoiler.

Does that account for age fraud too? Because remember what amir said. Lot of players age fudge.

My personal opinion is that shaheen won't touch the big 3. Hell hazlewood is better.

 

[Marooned]

Check his averages in sena for tests.

Once in a generation. Lmao.

Cummins bumrah rabada these are once in a generation.

Meh. I know all that.

Well he played in these places as as youngster with no support. But ofcourse let's look past all of it we being the zombie analysts we are?


There's more context to the numbers too. For eg. Shaheen averaged 35 vs Australia but even Cummins averaged above 30 that series while Yasir averaged ~50 with bat! Yeah, those were the conditions.

Bumrah for eg. bullied a hapless Australian lineup of marshes and finches and Handscombe and averaged 17. When the main batsmen returned he averaged a mediocre ~30.

In NZ, when India visited, when Bumrah averaged over 30 all 3 NZ pacers averaged in teens, when Pakistan visited both Boult and Southee averaged over 30... so you got to consider the conditions too before comparing.

So yeah, I don't need sports nerds to tell me about numbers. Sports nerds are the worst kind of nerds because they don't even know what they are seeing and then hope to appear smart by half baked analysis.

Shaheen's ceiling is the highest of any present bowler. His combination of height pace and swing is absolutely once in a generation.

 

[Moeey]

Meh. I know all that.

Well he played in these places as as youngster with no support. But ofcourse let's look past all of it we being the zombie analysts we are?


There's more context to the numbers too. For eg. Shaheen averaged 35 vs Australia but even Cummins averaged above 30 that series while Yasir averaged ~50 with bat! Yeah, those were the conditions.

Bumrah for eg. bullied a hapless Australian lineup of marshes and finches and Handscombe and averaged 17. When the main batsmen returned he averaged a mediocre ~30.

In NZ, when India visited, when Bumrah averaged over 30 all 3 NZ pacers averaged in teens, when Pakistan visited both Boult and Southee averaged over 30... so you got to consider the conditions too before comparing.

So yeah, I don't need sports nerds to tell me about numbers. Sports nerds are the worst kind of nerds because they don't even know what they are seeing and then hope to appear smart by half baked analysis.

Shaheen's ceiling is the highest of any present bowler. His combination of height pace and swing is absolutely once in a generation.

It's really. I have seen shaheen bowl after new ball effect wears off. He is bang average. He will never big at the level of big 3. Cummins bumrah rabada are on another level. Period.

Lol at hapless australiam same australia would have smoked current average shaheen.

What about in England? What happened to shaheen there.

I can make excuses for lot of players by nitpicking stats.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

For that to happen, not being a cannon-fodder in Test Cricket would be good start. He can't keep playing Zim, Bangla, WI and Sri Lanka forever to balance the harmless pie-chucking against top sides.

He doesn't decide the FTP. He just goes out there and takes wickets. He can single-handedly destroy Bangladesh's batting on one day and make India's top order look like a house of cards the next.

Format or opposition does not matter when you have class and quality in spades. And Ashwin: one of the smartest people in cricket knows that. Otherwise he wouldn't have made this statement.

 

[Moeey]

He doesn't decide the FTP. He just goes out there and takes wickets. He can single-handedly destroy Bangladesh's batting on one day and make India's top order look like a house of cards the next.

Format or opposition does not matter when you have class and quality in spades. And Ashwin: one of the smartest people in cricket knows that. Otherwise he wouldn't have made this statement.

Ashwin is a booksmart noob. He isn't smart at all lmao. Bookworm. He failed his engineering subjects. Had to retake many times. So much for being smart.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Ashwin is a booksmart noob. He isn't smart at all lmao. Bookworm. He failed his engineering subjects. Had to retake many times. So much for being smart.

Look, I know you want my attention but I have no desire to give a troll such as yourself any. So why don't you stop quoting me and just buzz off. Capeesh?

 

[GreenBee]

He doesn't decide the FTP. He just goes out there and takes wickets.

Only against minnows as a Test bowler.

I myself said that he would easily fetch a million plus in IPL auctions, on current form, he is one of the best in LOIs.

But don't compare a Test nobody to Bumrah and Cummins. Few good T20 overs was never a criteria to judge the best bowler.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India have siraj, tyagi who is way better than naseem btw in terms of potential, prasidh krishna, kuldeep sen, umran malik who is actually 22 (real age).
There are plenty more coming through the pipeline.

Let's not worry about India yea?
We should worry about ourselves first.

And no shaheen is not even close to once in a generation bowler.

Hire a good plumber(Dirk Nannes may be? ) to fix that pipeline because it is broken and these guys are finding it hard to play for India.

 

[Moeey]

Hire a good plumber(Dirk Nannes may be? ) to fix that pipeline because it is broken and these guys are finding it hard to play for India.

That's cause bcci don't select their fast bowlers and give chances as their main bowlers are really good. They have seniority preference. It works based on exprience. Young talents will find it hard to come through.

In our case we have no choice as a our front line bowlers barring ahaheen are bang average. So we have to try youngster beauties.

 

[Moeey]

Only against minnows as a Test bowler.

I myself said that he would easily fetch a million plus in IPL auctions, on current form, he is one of the best in LOIs.

But don't compare a Test nobody to Bumrah and Cummins. Few good T20 overs was never a criteria to judge the best bowler.

He was never good enough to tie their laces in tests or even odi tbh. Don't think he ever will be. That's reality. We have too many delusional fans.

 

[Moeey]

Look, I know you want my attention but I have no desire to give a troll such as yourself any. So why don't you stop quoting me and just buzz off. Capeesh?

I dont care about you or care enough to specifically reply to you. Don't be delusional again. Just like you are with regards to shaheen.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Only against minnows as a Test bowler.

I myself said that he would easily fetch a million plus in IPL auctions, on current form, he is one of the best in LOIs.

But don't compare a Test nobody to Bumrah and Cummins. Few good T20 overs was never a criteria to judge the best bowler.

Maybe you need to look at the Test rankings. Shaheen is ranked higher than Bumrah. Cummins and Bumrah might be better but Shaheen is very much in the same league and in the same conversation. Only a matter of time before he will eclipse both.

And considering Bumrah had only broken into India's T20 side when he was as old as Shaheen whereas Shaheen has already established himself as one of the top fast-bowlers in the world, I'd say he's doing pretty well.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Worlds greatest democracy

Yes. Where someone wishing harm on our nation is not allowed.

 

[Ab Fan]

Shaheen as test bowler is as much in the same league as Bumrah, Cummins and Rabada as Adam Voges was in the same league as Smith, Kohli, de Villiers, Sangakkara in tests in mid-2010s.

The only similarity between them was their batting averages that's it. Just dig deeper and you will get a reality check right there.

 

[Marooned]

Shaheen as test bowler is as much in the same league as Bumrah, Cummins and Rabada as Adam Voges was in the same league as Smith, Kohli, de Villiers, Sangakkara in tests in mid-2010s.

The only similarity between them was their batting averages that's it. Just dig deeper and you will get a reality check right there.

I'd take a 22 year old Adam Voges

 

[Jazx]

I don't think any franchise would invest 14-15 crores for a fast bowler in a t20 league which is mostly dominated by batsmans. And that too on shaheen who have no clue how to bowl in death overs. Maybe a 7-8 crore deal would be maximum for him.

 

[Bilal7]

Rahul Dravid is in awe with the Pakistani bowlers and Ashwin is admitting that they would be in high demand but some bitter Indian fans, who got old on a Pakistani cricket forum, cannot find it in themselves to admit that yes, Pakistani cricketers are superstars in the eyes of the Indian public.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Rahul Dravid is in awe with the Pakistani bowlers and Ashwin is admitting that they would be in high demand but some bitter Indian fans, who got old on a Pakistani cricket forum, cannot find it in themselves to admit that yes, Pakistani cricketers are superstars in the eyes of the Indian public.

That presenter couldn't stop shamelessly fawning over Wasim :

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He would have gone for 20 crores after this performance against New Zealand.

 

[Bilal7]

That presenter couldn't stop shamelessly fawning over Wasim :

It's good that Pakistani cricketers aren't allowed in the IPL. They'd get into too much fitna from the Indian public due to their dashing looks too.

 

[Bilal7]

Shaheen, Shadab, Babar, Rizwan, Haris and Naseem would all be the star players of an IPL franchise each.

IPL franchises would agree to play Maulana Tariq Jamil's bayaans on the PA system at their stadiums if it meant that Rizwan would play for them.

They'd pay Shaheen millions just to do the star-man pose from the dugout every time an Indian trundler picks up a wicket.

Naseem would get signed and immediately would get poached by some Bollywood director and star in several rom-coms.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I am sure Pak players do not care about IPL money.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Shaheen, Shadab, Babar, Rizwan, Haris and Naseem would all be the star players of an IPL franchise each.

IPL franchises would agree to play Maulana Tariq Jamil's bayaans on the PA system at their stadiums if it meant that Rizwan would play for them.

They'd pay Shaheen millions just to do the star-man pose from the dugout every time an Indian trundler picks up a wicket.

Naseem would get signed and immediately would get poached by some Bollywood director and star in several rom-coms.

Naseem can be side kick for some Bollywood hero.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Speaking on his YT channel


"I have thought a lot about how crazy it would have been if Shaheen Afridi had been there in an IPL auction. A tall left-arm seamer who sets the game with the new ball and also unleashes yorkers at the death. He might have gone for 14-15 crore had he been there at the IPL auction"

"All Pakistani fast bowlers clock 140-145 kph consistently. I don't think any team in world cricket has such a rich backup of fast bowlers. Pakistan have always been a side with so much raw talent on display."

"Imad Wasim is a notable exclusion from Pakistan's squad. He has been a regular feature for them in the T20 format. But he is not there this time. Instead, they have gone for Mohammad Nawaz, who is very much like Ravindra Jadeja"

It is a blessing in disguise, more money is often not a good thing. Pakistani players are known to turn their back on PCB when offered big money elsewhere. IPL followed by PSL could have simply over worked him. No Indian player is allowed to play in other leagues but IPL. Only BCCI is allowed to have a monopoly like that. if other boards did the same thing IPL will die. BCCI does that so it's player can focus for national duty. And BCCI also thought about PCB and did PCB a favor as well. A little neighborly love.

Ashwin's views about Imad are worth taking a note of. Imad qualifies just on his batting ability in Pakistan's weak middle order.

 

[shamaan]

Shaheen, Shadab, Babar, Rizwan, Haris and Naseem would all be the star players of an IPL franchise each.

IPL franchises would agree to play Maulana Tariq Jamil's bayaans on the PA system at their stadiums if it meant that Rizwan would play for them.

They'd pay Shaheen millions just to do the star-man pose from the dugout every time an Indian trundler picks up a wicket.

Naseem would get signed and immediately would get poached by some Bollywood director and star in several rom-coms.

Shadab would have gone for close to 10 crores.

 

[Mamoon]

I guess having their players picked by IPL franchises in a fantasy world is the ultimate goal of Pakistani fans.

If a player is worthy of IPL then it means he has made it.

Embarrassing chest puffing in this thread.

 

[Kriketer]

Who gives a flying about our players worth in that useless vacation pay league. I hope we never play in it and fans discussing such imaginary figures are embarrassing. There's enough cricket already happening and I would rather want Pakistani players participating in better leagues like Big Bash, English T20 where they will face much better local talent on better grounds than average cricketers of India on phatta wickets. PSL also keeps getting better each year so our players are fine.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Shaheen, Shadab, Babar, Rizwan, Haris and Naseem would all be the star players of an IPL franchise each.

IPL franchises would agree to play Maulana Tariq Jamil's bayaans on the PA system at their stadiums if it meant that Rizwan would play for them.

They'd pay Shaheen millions just to do the star-man pose from the dugout every time an Indian trundler picks up a wicket.

Naseem would get signed and immediately would get poached by some Bollywood director and star in several rom-coms.

This is a fun read

 

[Dagestani_Eagle]

I guess having their players picked by IPL franchises in a fantasy world is the ultimate goal of Pakistani fans.

If a player is worthy of IPL then it means he has made it.

Embarrassing chest puffing in this thread.

Say that to Ashwin now.