Shameful the PCB hasn't gotten ahead of the game and suspended Sarfaraz Ahmed

[Sherlock]

If it's true the ICC is getting involved in this then the PCB have themselves to blame. They could've done a presser with Sarfaraz sitting next to them and made him apologise in-front of the world, then point out he wouldn't be playing any further part this tour.

Now it'll be interesting to see if they do something tomorrow before the game. They could easily drop him and give the captaincy to Hafeez/Malik, or whoever they want to give it to and replace him with Rizwan behind the stumps.

This is the time to do it, and the longer they obfuscate their duties the more fans like myself feel this is a sham, and the statement released yesterday was nothing more than a token gesture with no real substance or conclusion.

I get people think it wasn't a racist or derogatory what Sarfaraz said. But he's the captain, and person that should know who he represents. Lack of education isn't as excuse it's a symptom of people like Sarfaraz.

 

[Savak]

Unlike Cricket Australia, the PCB is smart not to let Mob Justice influence it.

 

[Sarwar89]

Sarfaraz has apologised and Faf has forgiven.
Time to move on.
PCB is not going to self destruct itself like Australian Cricket Board.
PCB will never fell on trap.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sarfaraz has apologised and Faf has forgiven.
Time to move on.
PCB is not going to self destruct itself like Australian Cricket Board.
PCB will never fell on trap.

Wow, this must be some new enlightened PCB from the one we have all mocked down the years. What a pleasant surprise.

 

[MenInG]

PCB cannot suspend him now as they have made a statement which kind of absolves him (with a little slap on the wrist)

Maybe the ICC can do that - lets see.

 

[Varun]

Unlike Cricket Australia, the PCB is smart not to let Mob Justice influence it.

The PCB and 'Smart' don't belong in the same sentence.

More like doing nothing is the default option, which the PCB is exercising at the moment. Anything else will require tough decisions and the resultant uproar/outrage, which they aren't prepared to face.

 

[Savak]

PCB cannot suspend him now as they have made a statement which kind of absolves him (with a little slap on the wrist)

Maybe the ICC can do that - lets see.

Sarfaraz should sue all the Pakistani's who did the proteas a favor by aggressively bringing the matter to the notice of the South Africans and the ICC even though they initially didn't even make note of it.

 

[PakPremi]

Sarfaraz should sue all the Pakistani's who did the proteas a favor by aggressively bringing the matter to the notice of the South Africans and the ICC even though they initially didn't even make note of it.

I was thinking the same was there a need for Pakistani fans to make much ho ha about it. What Sarfraz said was pathetic but thanks to our fans the incident has been projected as if he murdered someone. I cannot believe how eager many are here to seehaevy punishment merged out to Sarfraz just because they want rid of him at any cost.

 

[Saj]

Sarfaraz should sue all the Pakistani's who did the proteas a favor by aggressively bringing the matter to the notice of the South Africans and the ICC even though they initially didn't even make note of it.

There is one person who brought it to the attention of the world and that person was Sarfaraz himself.

It's easy to blame others. This would not have happened if he had kept his trap shut.

 

[Pete Rose]

The PCB and 'Smart' don't belong in the same sentence.

More like doing nothing is the default option, which the PCB is exercising at the moment. Anything else will require tough decisions and the resultant uproar/outrage, which they aren't prepared to face.

It’s a babu type organization where they require quorum and process for every meeting. Their default position to any crisis is to send uncle inti to the front lines

 

[Greenstorm]

PCB handled it perfectly. It wasn't that big a deal.

 

[Ahmed216]

It’s a babu type organization where they require quorum and process for every meeting. Their default position to any crisis is to send uncle inti to the front lines

lol so true

 

[Savak]

There is one person who brought it to the attention of the world and that person was Sarfaraz himself.

It's easy to blame others. This would not have happened if he had kept his trap shut.

That is a separate issue but like I said the proteas and the ICC didn't even notice the comments or episode. It is very obvious a Pakistani went to the ICC and the proteas to inform them about what happened. Sarfaraz should take these Ehsan Faramosh Pakistani's who ratted him out to the ICC and the Proteas team.

 

[PakPremi]

The PCB and 'Smart' don't belong in the same sentence.

More like doing nothing is the default option, which the PCB is exercising at the moment. Anything else will require tough decisions and the resultant uproar/outrage, which they aren't prepared to face.

PCB been smart enough not to over react like our fans and order execution without analysing the crime, they have issued a perfect statement to put water over fire and SA also have accepted Sarfraz action as Ill advised heat of moment comment.
Sarfraz will get deserved punishment .

 

[Saj]

That is a separate issue but like I said the proteas and the ICC didn't even notice the comments or episode. It is very obvious a Pakistani went to the ICC and the proteas to inform them about what happened. Sarfaraz should take these Ehsan Faramosh Pakistani's who ratted him out to the ICC and the Proteas team.

The match was televised.
Millions around the world watching.
Stump mics there.
Many Urdu speaking ICC employees.

But yes blame someone else.

 

[Varun]

That is a separate issue but like I said the proteas and the ICC didn't even notice the comments or episode. It is very obvious a Pakistani went to the ICC and the proteas to inform them about what happened. Sarfaraz should take these Ehsan Faramosh Pakistani's who ratted him out to the ICC and the Proteas team.

The game is not being played in a savannah in Mongolia. There are video and audio cameras all over, with millions watching and listening across the continents. The only way Sarfraz was getting off in your fictional book is if the whole world collectively chose to ignore his obviously derogatory remark over the stump mic.

Personally, I was always thinking that it was a matter of time before something like this happened. Sarfraz yells at his own teammates, always figured it was a mere matter of time before he flipped the bird at someone from the opposing ranks.

 

[Varun]

PCB been smart enough not to over react like our fans and order execution without analysing the crime, they have issued a perfect statement to put water over fire and SA also have accepted Sarfraz action as Ill advised heat of moment comment.
Sarfraz will get deserved punishment .

If this is so, this punishment needs to be stated, and the news of the same should be broadcast.

 

[PakPremi]

The match was televised.
Millions around the world watching.
Stump mics there.
Many Urdu speaking ICC employees.

But yes blame someone else.

With due respect Saj do you think SA or ICC would have asked someone to translate everything Sarfraz was saying ? They would only do that if they had a reason to do so.
In any case although it has embarrassed Pakistan yet again but may turn out to be blessing in disguise as Sarfraz was burdened with too much pressure. You cannot captain in three formats and keep wicket in all three and then come to bat with regular collapsesfrom top.He was bound to crack. I also think Sarfraz is a bit hyper most times so we need a cooler captain in mould of Misbah but more attacking.

 

[topspin]

That is a separate issue but like I said the proteas and the ICC didn't even notice the comments or episode. It is very obvious a Pakistani went to the ICC and the proteas to inform them about what happened. Sarfaraz should take these Ehsan Faramosh Pakistani's who ratted him out to the ICC and the Proteas team.

I thank the Pakistani(s) who reported this incident. There is no excuse for racist comments.

This mindset sumps up why Pakistan hasn't progressed because we blame the messenger not the offender....

 

[PakPremi]

If this is so, this punishment needs to be stated, and the news of the same should be broadcast.

Saber my friend all in good time go and watch a execution movie meantime. Seriously what is the rush the only people eager are posters on this forum. ICC and PCB must be working together in background. The person offended is hardly itching to punch Sarfraz, and SA are happy with statement and apology.

 

[PakPremi]

I thank the Pakistani(s) who reported this incident. There is no excuse for racist comments.

This mindset sumps up why Pakistan hasn't progressed because we blame the messenger not the offender....

I think everone has blamed Sarfraz but we could have raised it to PCB privately. PCB may not have done anything concrete but at least they w p ups have warned and educated players for better behaviour. Truth is people are gladSarfraz has shot himself in foot because many here wanted to get rid of him at any cost and wererejoicing every time he failed in batting or lost a match.

 

[Saj]

With due respect Saj do you think SA or ICC would have asked someone to translate everything Sarfraz was saying ? They would only do that if they had a reason to do so.

People are being naive if they think ICC officials will not have heard and understood what was said. It was clear as day.

 

[Savak]

The match was televised.
Millions around the world watching.
Stump mics there.
Many Urdu speaking ICC employees.

But yes blame someone else.

The Urdu speaking employees were disloyal to the nation of Pakistan.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The PCB and Sarfaraz should have offered a better apology - they could have still said that there was no racist intent behind the words however in hindsight admitted that such language shouldn't be used whether it's speaking aloud to oneself or talking about an opposing player. And with this in mind they could have suspended Sarfaraz for a token 1 or 2 matches. Then that would have been the end of it.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The Urdu speaking employees were disloyal to the nation of Pakistan.

So do you think Saj was disloyal to the nation of Pakistan?

 

[Savak]

So do you think Saj was disloyal to the nation of Pakistan?

Nope, just the Urdu speaking ICC employees who ratted Sarfaraz out. When Ramiz Raja was asked during the commentary, he deflected it.

 

[Savak]

TV reporters are reporting that the match referee had called Sarfaraz, Mickey Arthur, Ramiz Raja, Imran Tahir, the black player in question, FAF and had played the clipping and asked Imran Tahir, Ramiz for their assessment opinion.

Am sure all the parties defused the situation.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Ramiz was the only postive in this situation

 

[Greenstorm]

I was thinking the same was there a need for Pakistani fans to make much ho ha about it. What Sarfraz said was pathetic but thanks to our fans the incident has been projected as if he murdered someone. I cannot believe how eager many are here to seehaevy punishment merged out to Sarfraz just because they want rid of him at any cost.

This. Sarfaraz made a mistake but now the world perceives him as racist which he clearly did not meant to be.

 

[CricketDon]

I don’t think it was meant in a racist way. However it was racist. Simple as that. He should be banned for the rest of the series.

 

[fitCricFan]

Sarfraz manned up and apologized and rightfully so. The Proteas have also accepted his apology so its water under the bridge now.

if you just want to suspend Sarfraz, do it on his performance not just because of your personal dislike.

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB handling the matter poorly.

 

[Hyperion66]

PCB seriously needs to groom their players and stop them from unleashing their painduness on field for the world to see.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

TV reporters are reporting that the match referee had called Sarfaraz, Mickey Arthur, Ramiz Raja, Imran Tahir, the black player in question, FAF and had played the clipping and asked Imran Tahir, Ramiz for their assessment opinion.

Am sure all the parties defused the situation.

Sarfaraz should sue all the Pakistani's who did the proteas a favor by aggressively bringing the matter to the notice of the South Africans and the ICC even though they initially didn't even make note of it.

The Urdu speaking employees were disloyal to the nation of Pakistan.

I feel the Pakistanis who blew this issue out of proportion were disloyal to the nation. Sarfraz was distasteful and personally pathetic for me using such words and should learn to shut up his mouth as he is representing Pakistan not his street but there was never any racial intend behind it. If he wanted to hurt, insult or degrade the player he would have taunted him in English. The player never noticed him and felt offended on the pitch till the end. Even the ending match cermony was all held in good spirits.

It was just murmuring of words which all of us have done when playing cricket in Pakistan "Abey out ho ja, out ho ja atak he gya hai wicket par" and many similar ones. Doesnt mean we are addressing the batsman rather showing frustration to ourselves and sometimes of talking with our teammates.

I can understand the hoe and cry coming from Indians (understandable) and the unhappiness of overseas Pakistanis who are raised abroad (but are not fully culturally Pakistanis) but the cultural Pakistanis who live or have lived a major part of their life in Pakistan and the ones who even though have settled abroad but are still culturally the same went to new lows in just their hatred of his Sarfraz due to his performance while some fell prey in hands of media who want masala.

 

[Hyperion66]

PCB seriously needs to groom their players and stop them from unleashing their painduness on field for the world to see.

BTW I didn't mean no offence or anything, being paindu isn't a crime but when that inner painduness is let loose it brings nothing but shame and embarrassment. I hold the same opinion about our own paindu Pandya as well.

 

[Pete Rose]

PCB seriously needs to groom their players and stop them from unleashing their painduness on field for the world to see.

I would say two separate issues:
1. Grooming definitely
2. My frustration with pcb is with how they are handling the fall out, leading from behind

 

[Suleiman]

This is making big news. Even overseas desis who otherwise don't give a hoot about cricket are noticing this news.

 

[Snowflake]

Well done, PCB. No need to make a big deal out of this. Hopefully, Sarfraz receives a reprimand and that is that.

 

[Itachi]

The Urdu speaking employees were disloyal to the nation of Pakistan.

I think they were disloyal to sarfaraz (not Pakistan) as he brought shame to the nation and hence they believed sarf shouldn't represent Pakistan. Pakistan isn't what sarf was representing so it does make sense to alienate him.

 

[angrypathan]

Cannot believe the drivel being spouted by many posters in this thread. Calling people who rightfully called out Sarfraz being an obnoxious fool disloyal to their country? I'm honestly in disbelief here.

 

[Faiz_Ahmad]

Sarfaraz has apologised and Faf has forgiven.
Time to move on.
PCB is not going to self destruct itself like Australian Cricket Board.
PCB will never fell on trap.

True , time to move on

 

[blackanhyellow]

Sarfaraz has apologised and Faf has forgiven.
Time to move on.
PCB is not going to self destruct itself like Australian Cricket Board.
PCB will never fell on trap.

PCB falls on a lot of traps actually.

However, I agree with you that Sarfraz apologized and hopefully he learned from his mistake.

Life is all about making mistakes and learning from them and then improving. No one is perfect.

 

[Shafi]

Does anyone know when is the hearing?

 

[aukhan]

Typical PCB. Not shocking at all. No matter who the chairman is, PCB remains the same.

 

[Shafi]

Typical PCB. Not shocking at all. No matter who the chairman is, PCB remains the same.

Mani never looks the part neither has any strong personality. He is as bad as Ijaz Butt.

 

[aukhan]

Mani never looks the part neither has any strong personality. He is as bad as Ijaz Butt.

He was a former ICC president, there were some hopes from him. It now looks like he behaved the same way Zaheer Abbas did as ICC president.

He will soon break the record of Mamnoon Hussain as the most useless head ever.

 

[Shafi]

He was a former ICC president, there were some hopes from him. It now looks like he behaved the same way Zaheer Abbas did as ICC president.

He will soon break the record of Mamnoon Hussain as the most useless head ever.

ICC president is like string in a puppet position. So anybody can get the job.

 

[786pk]

Saber my friend all in good time go and watch a execution movie meantime. Seriously what is the rush the only people eager are posters on this forum. ICC and PCB must be working together in background. The person offended is hardly itching to punch Sarfraz, and SA are happy with statement and apology.

ICC needs to set an example, racism is not tolerated in the slightest. It doesn't matter if the person and SA aren't offended. Also, I can't believe how ignorant some posters are...how can you support this kind of behaviour. Every Pakistan fan should have reported this and I hope Pakistani media run their course when he heads back home afyer the tour. Disgusting!

 

[Shafi]

ICC needs to set an example, racism is not tolerated in the slightest. It doesn't matter if the person and SA aren't offended. Also, I can't believe how ignorant some posters are...how can you support this kind of behaviour. Every Pakistan fan should have reported this and I hope Pakistani media run their course when he heads back home afyer the tour. Disgusting!

This Mani used to talk big and criticize then PCB chairmen for not handling the job properly but in the actual face he is the worst when ts time to deal the situation. Now ICC humiliate us by impose ban on Sarfraz to show who is the boss.
Very very poor choice of PCB chairman by IK.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

The Urdu speaking employees were disloyal to the nation of Pakistan.

FYI, Indians could understand that just fine. And I am sure ICC has Indian employees too.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So PCB dont ban the player and still no action from the ICC

 

[Majid Khan]

So PCB dont ban the player and still no action from the ICC

ICC is probably hoping that PCB takes action first, so they don’t get Pakistani fans accusing them of any bias or double standards after ban, and meanwhile PCB officials must be enjoying PSL launch parties and wishing the issue dies its own death and becomes forgotten in a day or two or the ICC deal with it and the paperwork that goes with it.

 

[Shafi]

ICC is probably hoping that PCB takes action first, so they don’t get Pakistani fans accusing them of any bias or double standards after ban, and meanwhile PCB officials must be enjoying PSL launch parties and wishing the issue dies its own death and becomes forgotten in a day or two or the ICC deal with it and the paperwork that goes with it.

When ICC hearing on this matter?

 

[PakPremi]

ICC needs to set an example, racism is not tolerated in the slightest. It doesn't matter if the person and SA aren't offended. Also, I can't believe how ignorant some posters are...how can you support this kind of behaviour. Every Pakistan fan should have reported this and I hope Pakistani media run their course when he heads back home afyer the tour. Disgusting!

No one is supporting the behaviour in fact many think good riddance if it causes Sarfraz to lose captaincy. However at the same time it is not fans responsibility to grass up misconduct of national team players , especially when it was a heat of moment albeit pathetic muttering from Sarfraz who was not being violent or directly confronting the player in question.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

It was a clear racist comment and there is no two ways about it. When you address someone as "Abbey kaale" it is as rascist as a white person calling us as "Oye Curry munchers". I dont care if calling someone Kaale is racist or not in the streets of Karachi, but you don't do it in SA. It is extremely dissapointing to see few people here are saying Sarfraz was not rascist. Maybe its their green tinted glass which is barring them from seeing things rationally but Sarfraz (captain of Pakistan national team) was clearly rascist.

PCB, if they want to show the world that they are a board that maintain ethics...would immidiately call back Sarfraz from the tour. It does not matter what SA or Faf says, being a host they are just pardoning their guest while biting the teeth but onus is on PCB to act.

 

[PakPremi]

It was a clear racist comment and there is no two ways about it. When you address someone as "Abbey kaale" it is as rascist as a white person calling us as "Oye Curry munchers". I dont care if calling someone Kaale is racist or not in the streets of Karachi, but you don't do it in SA. It is extremely dissapointing to see few people here are saying Sarfraz was not rascist. Maybe its their green tinted glass which is barring them from seeing things rationally but Sarfraz (captain of Pakistan national team) was clearly rascist.

PCB, if they want to show the world that they are a board that maintain ethics...would immidiately call back Sarfraz from the tour. It does not matter what SA or Faf says, being a host they are just pardoning their guest while biting the teeth but onus is on PCB to act.

Racist remark - Yes
Sarfraz was being racist - No
Agree with the last part of your post.
Some other board though has not set high standards by lifting suspensions from their players.

 

[Shafi]

Shameful to ICC as well not to take action against Sarfraz. This guy only knows how to abuse people. I used to love Sarfraz but CT win got to his head.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So PCB continues to pick its shameful captain.

Disgraceful behavior 1 Cricket 0

 

[aukhan]

Shameful PCB.

 

[Mamoon]

Farcical decision to allow Sarfraz to captain (and play) on this tour. Pathetic and disgraceful.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

The Urdu speaking employees were disloyal to the nation of Pakistan.

Pathetic mindset.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

Shameful and pathetic from PCB.only PCB can do this.

 

[Usman Chadda]

It was a clear racist comment and there is no two ways about it. When you address someone as "Abbey kaale" it is as rascist as a white person calling us as "Oye Curry munchers". I dont care if calling someone Kaale is racist or not in the streets of Karachi, but you don't do it in SA. It is extremely dissapointing to see few people here are saying Sarfraz was not rascist. Maybe its their green tinted glass which is barring them from seeing things rationally but Sarfraz (captain of Pakistan national team) was clearly rascist.

PCB, if they want to show the world that they are a board that maintain ethics...would immidiately call back Sarfraz from the tour. It does not matter what SA or Faf says, being a host they are just pardoning their guest while biting the teeth but onus is on PCB to act.

Sarfraz is from Karachi, so yes it matters whether calling someone ‘Kaala’ is racist or not there. The sane bunch here, who neither have an agenda nor behave like teenage girls, understand where Sarfraz was coming from. Because we know the ground realities, having spent quite a bit of time in our home country.

Sarfraz should be disciplined for saying those words as the Pakistan cricket team captain, but you are on heavy drugs if you believe he was hurling a racial abuse at Andile Phehlukwayo, who had no way of knowing what Sarfraz said anyway.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

Sarfraz just used street language (which he does for every Pakistani player as well) ...what is the big deal?

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Racist remark - Yes
Sarfraz was being racist - No
Agree with the last part of your post.
Some other board though has not set high standards by lifting suspensions from their players.

With due respect, I disagree. Hardik Pandya didnt abuse anyone or misbehave in the cricket field. He was simply saying in an Indian talk show what he does in nightclub in his personal life. That is no bodies business actually. Even then BCCI went ahead and banned them for 5 ODI matches each. In Rahul's case....he didnt even said anything and got banned.

Sarfraz was representing Pakistan and was caught spouting racial taunts in cricket field. Both the cases are very different.

 

[MenInG]

Let's stay with Sarfaraz/PCB on this thread.

 

[Marathonrunner]

Sad to see that ICC or PCB has not taken any stand for such incident . SA should have been punished atleast for few matches

 

[cricketjoshila]

When will PCB realise the problems of bad PR?

 

[MenInG]

When will PCB realise the problems of bad PR?

This is the PCB we are talking about. The realization will come in some report which will be compiled 20 years from now....

 

[Dark Magician]

What's suprised me with this whole episode is people on this forum making excuses for such conduct. Shocked to be honest.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is the PCB we are talking about. The realization will come in some report which will be compiled 20 years from now....

Why are the people of the subcontinent so obssessed with these "Reports" which some retired bureaucrat or judge will prepare?

Ehsan Mani is someone who knows the ins and outs of how to manage a organisation. I wonder what stopped him.

 

[Pete Rose]

Why are the people of the subcontinent so obssessed with these "Reports" which some retired bureaucrat or judge will prepare?

Ehsan Mani is someone who knows the ins and outs of how to manage a organisation. I wonder what stopped him.

Ehsan Mani is like those old school managers, where folks do meetings and delay decisions to the next meeting.

 

[Sherlock]

As suggested the ICC have thrown the first punch and the PCB have been caught flat-footed.

Good on them for banning Sarfaraz because it really should've been Pakistan with the first move

 

[Sherlock]

Headline today for all of us to think about...

"PCB disappointed with ICC's decision to suspend Sarfraz Ahmed"

 

[Saj]

Well they've put him on the first plane out of South Africa, admitted the charge, said the player was in the wrong, but they are still disappointed with the decision to ban him

 

[Saj]

I feel the Pakistanis who blew this issue out of proportion were disloyal to the nation. Sarfraz was distasteful and personally pathetic for me using such words and should learn to shut up his mouth as he is representing Pakistan not his street but there was never any racial intend behind it. If he wanted to hurt, insult or degrade the player he would have taunted him in English. The player never noticed him and felt offended on the pitch till the end. Even the ending match cermony was all held in good spirits.

It was just murmuring of words which all of us have done when playing cricket in Pakistan "Abey out ho ja, out ho ja atak he gya hai wicket par" and many similar ones. Doesnt mean we are addressing the batsman rather showing frustration to ourselves and sometimes of talking with our teammates.

I can understand the hoe and cry coming from Indians (understandable) and the unhappiness of overseas Pakistanis who are raised abroad (but are not fully culturally Pakistanis) but the cultural Pakistanis who live or have lived a major part of their life in Pakistan and the ones who even though have settled abroad but are still culturally the same went to new lows in just their hatred of his Sarfraz due to his performance while some fell prey in hands of media who want masala.

Excuses that the ICC quite rightly ignored and subsequently slapped a 4-match ban.

It's easy to blame others.

 

[Darkrai]

PCB is a joke. They are hurting the reputation of Pakistan.