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The test match games are early mornings for me so I haven't been to watch the full extent of his captaincy.

However, for the little I have seen, his captaincy seems to be pretty impressive. Keep in mind, it's not easy for a debut captain to make good decisions. It takes time to learn from your mistakes and rectify in subsequent games. In that respect, I think Shan Masood has hit the ground running and has thus far done a terrific job.

From what I've heard (and seen), he's made some good DRS choices (taken and not taken), and good fielding positions to set up batsmen (I think Warner first test first innings).

His batting is more of a concern at this point. In the first innings of the first test match vs Australia, he played with positive intent while everyone was in defensive mode. In the end he made a streaky 30 +.

Second test match he played beautifully. Only managed to score a 50 in the first innings, but again positive intent was there. Shan with the help of Shafique had shifted the momentum towards Pakistan which I thought would have been unthinkable against Australia in Australia. Just wished he cracked on to make a century.

So, now the real question - should Shan Masood be considered as captain for ODI's ?

His List A record speaks for itself with an average above 50. Much better than his first class record. He's in red hot form in domestic.

Maybe try him for a couple of series ?

Problem is age is no longer his friend. He might have another 5 years left at best - but maybe it gives Pakistan enough time to find a suitable replacement ?

In any case, it's pretty clear I'm in favor :) Just unclear who to drop.
 
What I've noticed about him as captain is that he's very calm and composed. He doesn't speak much or overreact, and the field settings he arranges show he's not afraid of taking risks. In terms of batting, I've seen an attacking intent and a leading from the front approach in him.

Now, he's the captain of Karachi Kings of PSL 9, and it is right around the corner. So, I believe if he has a good PSL season, he might earn the ODI captaincy too.
 
The test match games are early mornings for me so I haven't been to watch the full extent of his captaincy.

However, for the little I have seen, his captaincy seems to be pretty impressive. Keep in mind, it's not easy for a debut captain to make good decisions. It takes time to learn from your mistakes and rectify in subsequent games. In that respect, I think Shan Masood has hit the ground running and has thus far done a terrific job.

From what I've heard (and seen), he's made some good DRS choices (taken and not taken), and good fielding positions to set up batsmen (I think Warner first test first innings).

His batting is more of a concern at this point. In the first innings of the first test match vs Australia, he played with positive intent while everyone was in defensive mode. In the end he made a streaky 30 +.

Second test match he played beautifully. Only managed to score a 50 in the first innings, but again positive intent was there. Shan with the help of Shafique had shifted the momentum towards Pakistan which I thought would have been unthinkable against Australia in Australia. Just wished he cracked on to make a century.

So, now the real question - should Shan Masood be considered as captain for ODI's ?

His List A record speaks for itself with an average above 50. Much better than his first class record. He's in red hot form in domestic.

Maybe try him for a couple of series ?

Problem is age is no longer his friend. He might have another 5 years left at best - but maybe it gives Pakistan enough time to find a suitable replacement ?

In any case, it's pretty clear I'm in favor :) Just unclear who to drop.
Yep he has taken good reviews so far. His decisions and bowling changes have also been decent. The tough part of the job for Shan is that his first job as captain turned out to be a tour of Australia and also against a recent test crowned champions in their own home. So things are tough initially for him but if he could win even one match this tour then certainly this will do great to his confidence as captain. He just needs the backing of fans and some time and if he could weather the early storm then certainly he could leave his mark as a great captain.
 
The test match games are early mornings for me so I haven't been to watch the full extent of his captaincy.

However, for the little I have seen, his captaincy seems to be pretty impressive. Keep in mind, it's not easy for a debut captain to make good decisions. It takes time to learn from your mistakes and rectify in subsequent games. In that respect, I think Shan Masood has hit the ground running and has thus far done a terrific job.

From what I've heard (and seen), he's made some good DRS choices (taken and not taken), and good fielding positions to set up batsmen (I think Warner first test first innings).

His batting is more of a concern at this point. In the first innings of the first test match vs Australia, he played with positive intent while everyone was in defensive mode. In the end he made a streaky 30 +.

Second test match he played beautifully. Only managed to score a 50 in the first innings, but again positive intent was there. Shan with the help of Shafique had shifted the momentum towards Pakistan which I thought would have been unthinkable against Australia in Australia. Just wished he cracked on to make a century.

So, now the real question - should Shan Masood be considered as captain for ODI's ?

His List A record speaks for itself with an average above 50. Much better than his first class record. He's in red hot form in domestic.

Maybe try him for a couple of series ?

Problem is age is no longer his friend. He might have another 5 years left at best - but maybe it gives Pakistan enough time to find a suitable replacement ?

In any case, it's pretty clear I'm in favor :) Just unclear who to drop.

We have Imam, Abdullah, Babar, Rizwan, Salman…

How many more of these 70s cricketers are we going to stack our ODI side with?
 
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The next major ODI tournament is in 2025. Its better to give someone else the reigns for the upcoming cycle. Someone who can captain until the WC ideally.

If Shaheen does well in T20s then he should get the ODI job too.
 
He should have had an extended run as ODI opener and then been captain through the 2023 world cup (assuming his domestic List A performances would translate).
 
Does he deserve an ODI spot let alone being the captain?

I feel like Pakistan have better options than Shan in ODI (Fakhar, Babar, Abdullah, Saim, and even Imam).
Are you kidding me with Imam? 😑
After the horrow show he has put up in back to back major championships, the only people who would still want to stick with their guns for this fat useless dud would be his uncle, best mate, agency, pr & I guess the wife.
 
Shan's performance in domestic has been top class but his international performance is mediocre. Maybe a long run for him can make him eligible for this role but as of yet, I do not think so.
 
We have Imam, Abdullah, Babar, Rizwan, Salman…

How many more of these 70s cricketers are we going to stack our ODI side with

One of them would have to be dropped. Can't have too many accumulators in the side it wouldn't make sense.
 
Does he deserve an ODI spot let alone being the captain?

I feel like Pakistan have better options than Shan in ODI (Fakhar, Babar, Abdullah, Saim, and even Imam).
On performance alone he deserves a place but hard to drop Fakhar or Abdullah Shafique at the moment. Just not sure whom he should replace.
 
With Imam's recent form in ODIs we can easily give him a chance

If he performs well better better to appoint him a captain in ODIs too
 
AS PER REPORT:

Pakistan's Test captain, Shan Masood, is being considered to replace the injured Saim Ayub in the Champions Trophy squad. His selection depends on his performance in the second Test against the West Indies.

Although Masood has played only 9 ODIs with an average of 18, he is seen as a solid candidate to provide stability at the top of the batting order, especially with Abdullah Shafique's recent struggles in white-ball cricket.

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In contetion for CT squad is the test skipper Shan Masood .

Shan stats as ODI batsman are Avg 18 , SR 69.7

Good move or disaster
 
We don't need stability at the top of the order we need some firepower. I am not totally against Shan but let's try him in tri series first
 
Will be interesting what the revolutionaries think of it, having Shan with a 60s SR what will the team achieve, not to mention that Shan is 35 years old so what long term value does he provides
 
Will be interesting what the revolutionaries think of it, having Shan with a 60s SR what will the team achieve, not to mention that Shan is 35 years old so what long term value does he provides

The revolutionaries wanted Saim Ayub as an opener before he debuted, who is now our second most important LOI batsman after Fakhar.

Whilst the RizBarians from the stone age were backing players like Imam, so Shan’s strike rate shouldn’t really bother them.
 
If I recall Shan played the ODI’s during our home season in 2022/23 before finally being dropped for the Asia Cup.

It was a total disaster!
 
The revolutionaries wanted Saim Ayub as an opener before he debuted, who is now our second most important LOI batsman after Fakhar.

Whilst the RizBarians from the stone age were backing players like Imam, so Shan’s strike rate shouldn’t really bother them.

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Thank you for your valuable input, got it what s between the lines
 
cant have a line up of abdullah shafique shaan masood babar azam and Rizwan its not a freaking test match
 
The revolutionaries wanted Saim Ayub as an opener before he debuted, who is now our second most important LOI batsman after Fakhar.

Whilst the RizBarians from the stone age were backing players like Imam, so Shan’s strike rate shouldn’t really bother them.
Bro I will check his comments in the Saim thread.
 
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Masood ain’t going anywhere he has some deadly contacts.. don’t be surprised if he worms his way in the odi teams.
Said this months ago what stranglehold has this guy got on PCB Aus & SA won’t even make him water boy.
 
why not give shazaib khan or ali zaryab a ago in the upcoming tri series? and if they do well playing them champions trophy
 
Let's not forget he's the captain of Karachi Kings. Certain posters are bound to back him but have been put in a difficult position since all the vitriol against RizBar
 
The revolutionaries wanted Saim Ayub as an opener before he debuted, who is now our second most important LOI batsman after Fakhar.

Whilst the RizBarians from the stone age were backing players like Imam, so Shan’s strike rate shouldn’t really bother them.

Saim received tremendous support from both Babar and Rizwan. They persisted with him and he's gotten more chances than many others. They even dropped down to accommodate him on the top.
 
Let's not forget he's the captain of Karachi Kings. Certain posters are bound to back him but have been put in a difficult position since all the vitriol against RizBar
Who’s backing him? For what?
 
Saim received tremendous support from both Babar and Rizwan. They persisted with him and he's gotten more chances than many others. They even dropped down to accommodate him on the top.

Babar and Rizwan aren’t a part of the selection committee.

How did they persist with him?

They were forced to accommodate him because of his performances in domestic and franchise leagues.
 
Would back Shan to show more intent than Imam at the top of the order. His list A record is also pretty good from memory
 
Saim received tremendous support from both Babar and Rizwan. They persisted with him and he's gotten more chances than many others. They even dropped down to accommodate him on the top.
Yes, but the drop should've come early as Saim was always the better choice to open the innings in T20 cricket.
 
Who’s backing him? For what?
It feels like an issue of lesser of the evils at this stage. If the options are Abdullah, Shan, and Imam… who would it be?
Ideally, it’s none of them, but now this is what it has come down to
 
It feels like an issue of lesser of the evils at this stage. If the options are Abdullah, Shan, and Imam… who would it be?
Ideally, it’s none of them, but now this is what it has come down to
Tbh Pakistan ain’t got the cojones to back a young gun like Maaz or Hassan Nawaz

I know the OG Younis Khan would step up and bring in a young shooter to rise to the occasion if he were captain @topspin
 
Tbh Pakistan ain’t got the cojones to back a young gun like Maaz or Hassan Nawaz

I know the OG Younis Khan would step up and bring in a young shooter to rise to the occasion if he were captain @topspin
Haha, exactly.

In a universe where the only options are Shan, Imam, Abdullah, and Haseebullah, I’d live with Shan Masood. Mainly because he brought in “Shan Ball” at some point. At least he made an effort to play modern cricket in red ball.
 
Abdullah Shafique wipes the floor with Shan Masood..

Not interested in his ducks against SAF.

Anyone who has seen both bat knows / should know it is a day and night comparison
 
LOL... crazy idea this... Shan should not even be the test captain and play as a player and now we are hearing rumors of brining mediocrity in ODIs as well... crazy
 
Yes, but the drop should've come early as Saim was always the better choice to open the innings in T20 cricket.

He had a rough start and many had written him off after the first 20 innings or so. Babar and Rizwan though took him under their wings and persisted with him
 
LOL... crazy idea this... Shan should not even be the test captain and play as a player and now we are hearing rumors of brining mediocrity in ODIs as well... crazy
Bouncer bhai I don't know what cricket you watch but in tests shaan is the second highest scorer since his come come back just 10 runs behind rizwan

But youtmr happy to have babar who is at the bottom of the table from all batamens who played since shan come back
 
Bouncer bhai I don't know what cricket you watch but in tests shaan is the second highest scorer since his come come back just 10 runs behind rizwan

But youtmr happy to have babar who is at the bottom of the table from all batamens who played since shan come back
Brother... You want shan in ODI team??? LOL

18 average (EVEN WORSE THAN TESTS) 69 strike rate in ODIs.

I don't know what cricket are you watching that you are in favor of Shan's inclusion... LOL
 
Brother... You want shan in ODI team??? LOL

18 average (EVEN WORSE THAN TESTS) 69 strike rate in ODIs.

I don't know what cricket are you watching that you are in favor of Shan's inclusion... LOL
I don't want Shan in odi team I'm replying to your statement about him in tests

You can't create a fake narrative to justify he shouldn't play in odi's

I'm watching cricket of 2025 your watching cricket off 2013 when shan was a poor batsmen LOL.

Let's fast forward to 23/24 shan is a better batsmen now than he was in 2013
 
I don't want Shan in odi team I'm replying to your statement about him in tests

You can't create a fake narrative to justify he shouldn't play in odi's

I'm watching cricket of 2025 your watching cricket off 2013 when shan was a poor batsmen LOL.

Let's fast forward to 23/24 shan is a better batsmen now than he was in 2013
So we should bring him in ODIs based on his one hundred in recent times and rest were all failures??

Why?
 
Brother... You want shan in ODI team??? LOL

18 average (EVEN WORSE THAN TESTS) 69 strike rate in ODIs.

I don't know what cricket are you watching that you are in favor of Shan's inclusion... LOL
The sample size is too small in ODIs. The list A record is pretty solid. 15 centuries, 35 50s, 5.7k runs @ 53 average. You can’t tell me straight face this guy should have got 7-8 games over a decade. Hes been robbed of chances
 
@BouncerGuy that's more 50's and 100's than rizwan or Babar has scored in the same period

So if your going to base this on test perfomance tell me why rizwan and babar should play ahead of him
The sample size is too small in ODIs. The list A record is pretty solid. 15 centuries, 35 50s, 5.7k runs @ 53 average. You can’t tell me straight face this guy should have got 7-8 games over a decade. Hes been robbed of chances



Haseeb also has a great list A record. Why not him???
 
Because he has no international experience in any format. It’s a total gamble with him in ICC.
Yes, I don't think he is in contention to be a part of the Pakistan squad for the upcoming Champions Trophy.
 
I don't want Shan in odi team I'm replying to your statement about him in tests

You can't create a fake narrative to justify he shouldn't play in odi's

I'm watching cricket of 2025 your watching cricket off 2013 when shan was a poor batsmen LOL.

Let's fast forward to 23/24 shan is a better batsmen now than he was in 2013

Likewise I don't want Shan in the team. You need someone far more dynamic for these super flat Pakistani wickets.

Having said that, Rizbar fan club need to stop pretending Shan v1 is = current version of Shan.
 
Tbh Pakistan ain’t got the cojones to back a young gun like Maaz or Hassan Nawaz

I know the OG Younis Khan would step up and bring in a young shooter to rise to the occasion if he were captain @topspin

One thing for sure, he wouldn't want someone with Babar's pathetic cricketing mind to captain the side. Younis Khan had the best cricketing brain out of all the Pakistan captains I've seen since 2000.
 
Likewise I don't want Shan in the team. You need someone far more dynamic for these super flat Pakistani wickets.

Having said that, Rizbar fan club need to stop pretending Shan v1 is = current version of Shan.

@emranabbas

Fair enough. I agree with that.
Right now they seem to be deciding between the 4 options Abdullah, Shan, Imam or Haseeb. The question was who can you live with among the 4 for now until Saim returns?
 
@emranabbas

Fair enough. I agree with that.
Right now they seem to be deciding between the 4 options Abdullah, Shan, Imam or Haseeb. The question was who can you live with among the 4 for now until Saim returns?

I agree with @topspin that we need a like-for-like replacement. However, we currently don’t have that option. Those comparable to Saim have very little experience at the U19 or Pakistan A level.

At the moment, we only have four options, and Shan is the best among them.

Shan will face criticism regardless, as those who support Rizwan, Babar, or PTI often provide biased opinions, stuck in a cycle of hero worship.
 
Not in favour of Shan becoming captain of odi team but I hope he does just to put hero worshipers in place
Yeah it just doesn’t make sense how the people who are seriously against him are also staunch supporters of Babar and Rizwan in T20s

One guy even said the other day “we will open with Shan in a World where teams are opening with Head and Salt”

What a hypocritical thing to say.
 
When did i say the same about him???? Show me the post
I never claimed you said anything. I am asking you, what makes you continue watching Pakistan cricket play with Rizwan as T20 captain? Why is it an issue then if Shan does become ODI captain?
 
I never claimed you said anything. I am asking you, what makes you continue watching Pakistan cricket play with Rizwan as T20 captain? Why is it an issue then if Shan does become ODI captain?
same issue that is with Asif ali being named as t20 captain... LET THEM FIND A PERMANENT SPOT IN THE TEAM FIRST....BROTHERRRR
 
same issue that is with Asif ali being named as t20 captain... LET THEM FIND A PERMANENT SPOT IN THE TEAM FIRST....BROTHERRRR
Let them find a permanent spot how? By opening the batting and scoring at a sr of 100 to get to 50?
 
Let them find a permanent spot how? By opening the batting and scoring at a sr of 100 to get to 50?
This is ODI thread... bring t20 means nothing to me... Shan's stats in ODI are as poor as Riz form in t20s atm... Pathetic

KHUSH???
 
This is ODI thread... bring t20 means nothing to me... Shan's stats in ODI are as poor as Riz form in t20s atm... Pathetic

KHUSH???
No, because you still don’t understand the issue with Rizwan in T20s

What good is an ‘in form’ Rizwan in T20s?
 
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No, because you still don’t understand the issue with Rizwan in T20s

What good is an ‘in form’ Rizwan in T20s?
Rizwan is not the topic here.. SHAN IS...

Prove why he deserves to be the captain, and let alone, why he deserves a spot on the team.
 
Rizwan is not the topic here.. SHAN IS...

Prove why he deserves to be the captain, and let alone, why he deserves a spot on the team.
It’s the same argument for Rizwan in T20s

Why should he even be in the side let alone be the captain? It’s subjective, but you’ve already set the precedent.
 
It’s the same argument for Rizwan in T20s

Why should he even be in the side let alone be the captain? It’s subjective, but you’ve already set the precedent.
this thread is about SHAN... SHAAANNN... CAN YOU SEE THE TITLE???

SHAN
 
Dont get fooled by them. SHan is also a domestic bully. Tests are enough to bear him... Let him play tests only...
Test doesn’t seem to be his strong suit. Doesn’t seem to have temperament for it.

His best use right now is temporary role in ODIs until Saim and Fakhar are both back.
 
Test doesn’t seem to be his strong suit. Doesn’t seem to have temperament for it.

His best use right now is temporary role in ODIs until Saim and Fakhar are both back.
Sure. GO for it... Shan first ODI stint was as bad as Azam khan in t20s, but we have a habit of trying tested failures again...

I think PCB will not pick him but let's see.
 
Sure. GO for it... Shan first ODI stint was as bad as Azam khan in t20s, but we have a habit of trying tested failures again...

I think PCB will not pick him but let's see.
Shan Masood has had an OK year in Test cricket, being the second-highest scorer after Saud Shakeel.

He was also Pakistan’s least worse performer in the T20 World Cup 2022 but hasn’t featured since. And rightly so.

In terms of credentials, Shan edges past Azam. 😂
 
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