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Shan Masood - Imran Farhat 2.0?

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At least Imran Farhat had domestic stats backing him up when he started his test career , he was the top opener in domestic cricket in the early years of his career.
Shan masood averages 33 in FC cricket and now averages 24 in test cricket. By look of thing it seems that he is here to stay. How long is he going to haunt us?
 
A young Farhat (2003/2004) was a far better player than Masood.
 
Soon He will be history.

When Imran Farhat was of the Age of Shan He was averaging 40 plus in Fc cricket, was much more talented and skilled.

Farhat & Toufeeq once had a great Opening Partnership against strong SA bowling lineup but Soon it all fell apart Sadly.

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TalentSpotterPk said:
Soon He will be history.

When Imran Farhat was of the Age of Shan He was averaging 40 plus in Fc cricket, was much more talented and skilled.

Farhat & Toufeeq once had a great Opening Partnership against strong SA bowling lineup but Soon it all fell apart Sadly.

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He still averages 46 in FC cricket with 26 hundreds , only nasir jamshed threatened to be a better fc opener than him before he completely lost his marbles.
 
Farhat was better than both Ahmed Shehzad and Shan Masood.

Fluent stroke maker and had good performances too.
 
Farhat is :rp infront of Shan Masood (so far)

Farhat was attacking player and always used to look for runs
 
Shan is a lot more likeable than Farhat. Seems like a hard working guy who knows his limitations but probably just isn't good enough. Farhat was pretty talented but lacked the hard work and fitness to succeed at the highest level.
 
Boi said:
Shan is a lot more likeable than Farhat. Seems like a hard working guy who knows his limitations but probably just isn't good enough. Farhat was pretty talented but lacked the hard work and fitness to succeed at the highest level.
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seems he know a bit too much
 
No. Imran played a lot of test matches overseas, yet with all his flaws he scored some useful runs. he was a far better batsman than Masood
 
Farhat actually had a pretty good cover drive and hook shot, Shan masoods only shot is late cut to the slips :facepalm:
 
I prefer players with lesser talent and more application and aptitude, than vice versa.

Are we not sick and tired of great talent without temperament. (Farhat,Nazir, Hameed, Shezzy,Akmal)
Let's have a couple of years of temperament without the great talent, and see how we go.

I want to give Masood some time
 
Abdullah said:
I prefer players with lesser talent and more application and aptitude, than vice versa.

Are we not sick and tired of great talent without temperament. (Farhat,Nazir, Hameed, Shezzy,Akmal)
Let's have a couple of years of temperament without the great talent, and see how we go.

I want to give Masood some time
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Give Masood some time for what? To learn which end of the cricket bat to hold? To learn that the red ball coming towards you you have to hit and keep on ground and not give people catching practice.

Only time Masood needs is to retire from cricket and stop embarrassing himself.
 
People have been too harsh on him.

If he is not good enough, I am sure he will be dropped after this series.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Give Masood some time for what? To learn which end of the cricket bat to hold? To learn that the red ball coming towards you you have to hit and keep on ground and not give people catching practice.

Only time Masood needs is to retire from cricket and stop embarrassing himself.
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He has shown improvement with each innings bar the last one. All of our would be openers would have struggled here.
I would only drop him if it is evident to the management there is a mental block v Anderson, otherwise I would play him
 
Abdullah said:
He has shown improvement with each innings bar the last one. All of our would be openers would have struggled here.
I would only drop him if it is evident to the management there is a mental block v Anderson, otherwise I would play him
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Please tell me what improvement he actually shown? He has one shot which is the flick of his legs, otherwise he has no real scoring shot. Am sorry but most bowlers have already worked Shan out as a batsmen at highest level and it wasnt exactly a difficult job to do so, one has to wonder what the player, coach and analysts are working on when looking at his batting as it looks like a car crash waiting to happen every inns.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Please tell me what improvement he actually shown? He has one shot which is the flick of his legs, otherwise he has no real scoring shot. Am sorry but most bowlers have already worked Shan out as a batsmen at highest level and it wasnt exactly a difficult job to do so, one has to wonder what the player, coach and analysts are working on when looking at his batting as it looks like a car crash waiting to happen every inns.
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I genuinely think that he will last longer in these conditions than the alternatives at this point who are Aslam and Shezzy. I think it would be unfair to throw Sami Aslam in at this stage.

Don't take this to mean I am saying he is the next best thing since sliced bread.

First 3 innings- in each of those, his leaving of the ball was better and there were fewer false shots. We know he has a problem outside off stump, but he won't be the first or the last to have that problem.

My expectation of hims is to make 30 (70) and he has done his job. I think right now he has a better chance than the other mentioned of doing this. UNLESS HE HAS A MENTAL BLOCK Vs JIMMY ala Warne v Cullinan. Than he should be dropped. Management are in the best place to tell this, because for me in the first innings at OT he was absolutely fine for 2 hours until he got out, so it may not have got to the ''we must pull him out of the firing line'' stage just yet
 
The think with Farhat was that he was a massive domestic bully in the early stages of his career. I concur with Mamoon's comment regarding the fact that 2002/2003 Farhat was actually a pretty decent batsman almost averaged in the decent 40s season after season.

Also people forget his meaningful contributions just because he was not a world beater - Just like how people these days diss Hafeez left right and center. Does anyone remember the Leeds test match that we won against Australia in 2010, Farhat was the leading run scorer in that match.

Also the One day series that followed after our humbling 0-3 SA test tour, Farhat came in the 4th one day and played a very gritty knock facing a rampaging ATG Styen and an extremely inform Morne Morkel. Had an extremely useful partnership with Misbah that helped us square the series going into the final fifth game. He was also the only one on that tour to smash Styen for a six.

Another record that Farhat has I guess is the highest opening partnership with Hafeez against Zimbabwe or in the world - Am not too sure about that (can someone confirm the fact) but I am pretty confident that Hafeez and Farhat played a very long innings chasing a score against Zimbabwe and both of them almost carried their bats.

For all the limitations Farhat had, I would probably take him in a heartbeat at this very moment if he is to be compared with Shaan.
 
I dont know who Shaan is comparable to tbh. He hasnt scored enough for me to make a conclusion. Although I hold farhat in pretty low regard. perhaps even lower than hafeez
 
Hawkeye said:
Farhat was better than both Ahmed Shehzad and Shan Masood.

Fluent stroke maker and had good performances too.
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This. He was beautiful to watch when he was on song with his booming drives. Unfortunately just a tulla player with no discipline. Masood is not in the same league
 
wasimjunior said:
He's a batting version of junaid zia
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Nahe Yar Comeon !! Itna bhi bura nahe hay Yar Shany :D Junaid Zia was just pure garbage on a cricket field. :facepalm: - Tauqeer Zia sahab ki Meharban Pakistan cricket nay aisay din bhi dhekain hain

Astagfirullah
 
wasimjunior said:
This. He was beautiful to watch when he was on song with his booming drives. Unfortunately just a tulla player with no discipline. Masood is not in the same league
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Absence makes the heart suffer amnesia. Farhat was pretty much Hafeez. Ok at home or subcontinent, but lost when we travel to NZ, Eng, Sa, Aus.
 
Pete Rose said:
Absence makes the heart suffer amnesia. Farhat was pretty much Hafeez. Ok at home or subcontinent, but lost when we travel to NZ, Eng, Sa, Aus.
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I think it is ludicrous to suggest that Farhat was anywhere close to Hafeez or Shehzad. Anyone suggesting this has either forgotten Farhat or is being selective with their memory. I'm the first to admit that neither Hafeez nor Shehzad have been great but they have performed far more consistently than Farhat ever did and when they have performed, they've performed big. Farhat was similar to Masood in that he would rarely, if ever, make a substantial score.
 
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Who remembers Farhat and Hameed having four consecutive 100+ opening partnerships vs New Zealand in 2003.

At that time, we thought we have found our next legendary opening pair.
 
Mamoon said:
Who remembers Farhat and Hameed having four consecutive 100+ opening partnerships vs New Zealand in 2003.

At that time, we thought we have found our next legendary opening pair.
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Came here to post this. I still think Yasir got hard done by the PCB. Guy had talent. Was a bit of a fisherman, but I think it could have been fixed.
 
Mamoon said:
Who remembers Farhat and Hameed having four consecutive 100+ opening partnerships vs New Zealand in 2003.

At that time, we thought we have found our next legendary opening pair.
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My first cricketing memory. I thought we had the best and most legendary openers in the world. :ibutt
 
Skill can be acquired with hard work
Eg misbah's batting over the years
Imran khans bowling from his early career to his prime
 
Bit harsh on farhat, we know why they are both being connected (pun intended) but farhat was miles ahead of masood
 
Farhat was worse than heaps and piles of crap.

Utterly mediocre cricketer who should not have ever played for Pakistan along with Afridi and Faisal iqbal.

His "purple patch" last for a few games after his debut and was then completely exposed in home conditions against India in 2004 (which was incidently the first time I saw him bat)

Taufiq Umer was poor too but still was a decent opener compared to damad :farhat

Masood has his flaws but makes up for it with guts and perseverance. Did not expect him to score much in England but seems like an honest trier. I would personally give him a few more chances.

Shehzad is still the better player though.
 
Farhat scored two half centuries against Australia in England (testing conditions) and won us a test match.


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Anyone remember Imran Farhat smashing Steyn for a straight 6 after Steyn sledged him and dared him to play a shot? It was great to watch.

Farhat could really blast the ball when he was in and settled. Don't think Masood is capable of such daring stroke play.
 
msb314 said:
Farhat was worse than heaps and piles of crap.

Utterly mediocre cricketer who should not have ever played for Pakistan along with Afridi and Faisal iqbal.

His "purple patch" last for a few games after his debut and was then completely exposed in home conditions against India in 2004 (which was incidently the first time I saw him bat)

Taufiq Umer was poor too but still was a decent opener compared to damad :farhat

Masood has his flaws but makes up for it with guts and perseverance. Did not expect him to score much in England but seems like an honest trier. I would personally give him a few more chances.

Shehzad is still the better player though.
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I refuse to believe that you actually "believe" in the stuff you post re. cricket/shehzad and now Masood.

Tell me it's sarcasm.

Farhat was a level above Shehzad and Masood. He had some great performances, check the thread for some references.

AND, he was a better stroke player too with better technique, unlike static feet and pre-meditation of Shehzad. Masood is another hopeless case who you know as well how got into the team.

Farhat got into the team on merit - not Shehzad/Masood.
 
As much as I dislike Farhat he tried hard. He was a limited player but in terms of skill was far better than some of these youngsters we have now. With the current scenario I think Salman Butt will soon be under consideration. Still the best available opening option. Unless one of the youngsters gets a chance and grabs the opportunity by the scruff. I have in the past recommended Umar Akmal to be tried out as opener as a final test for him. I think it could work if given a try.
 
Hawkeye said:
I refuse to believe that you actually "believe" in the stuff you post re. cricket/shehzad and now Masood.

Tell me it's sarcasm.

Farhat was a level above Shehzad and Masood. He had some great performances, check the thread for some references.

AND, he was a better stroke player too with better technique, unlike static feet and pre-meditation of Shehzad. Masood is another hopeless case who you know as well how got into the team.

Farhat got into the team on merit - not Shehzad/Masood.
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Farhat had "great performances" up until 2003. Was all downhill after that and has rightfully not been anywhere near the national team since that ill-fated 2013 CT.

Masood lacks talent - it is quite obvious but he is grinder who tries to stay at the crease and seems like an honest trier which are good qualities to have.

Farhat was lazy - plain and simple. He may have had "talent" but wasted his career by not working on his game and relying on his connections to keep him in the team. His career stats speak for themselves.

If we want to add Hameed into the mix - he was one batsman who I genuinely believe was hard done by. Had a good technique and was a great stroke player but was a bit of a fisher. Deserved far more chances than he got and could have been a great player for us.

Shehzad is more talented than Masood and has some big scores to his credit. However, it is still early in his Test career so hard to compare to Farhat and Hameed who were also "talented" in the sense of the word. Still, I hope he comes good soon.

So no I am not being sarcastic.
 
Farhat was on a different level to Shan Masood. Masood's limited stroke-play is making him a sitting duck vs Anderson/Broad.

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Shan Masood vs Imran Farhat

Someone posted that if we conpare Imran Farhat vs Shan Masood than Farhat is Like Saeed Anwar vs Ahmad Shehzad. Ignoring all the additional baggage who was a more deserving selection based on ability
 
Why have we come down to comparing two rubbish players? Do people not have better ways to spend their time more efficiently?
 
Probably Fathat at this point - although Masood's 124 vs SL at Pakellele was a miracle at the time.
 
Imran Farhat is still better than both Masood and Ahmed Shehzad.
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Imran Farhat was a brilliant player when he started off
 
Imran farhat is way better than Shan but neither should be anywhere near the team. Farhats problem was that he was a walking wicket anywhere with a little extra bounce. Shan is just a walking wicket anywhere.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
The think with Farhat was that he was a massive domestic bully in the early stages of his career. I concur with Mamoon's comment regarding the fact that 2002/2003 Farhat was actually a pretty decent batsman almost averaged in the decent 40s season after season.

Also people forget his meaningful contributions just because he was not a world beater - Just like how people these days diss Hafeez left right and center. Does anyone remember the Leeds test match that we won against Australia in 2010, Farhat was the leading run scorer in that match.

Also the One day series that followed after our humbling 0-3 SA test tour, Farhat came in the 4th one day and played a very gritty knock facing a rampaging ATG Styen and an extremely inform Morne Morkel. Had an extremely useful partnership with Misbah that helped us square the series going into the final fifth game. He was also the only one on that tour to smash Styen for a six.

Another record that Farhat has I guess is the highest opening partnership with Hafeez against Zimbabwe or in the world - Am not too sure about that (can someone confirm the fact) but I am pretty confident that Hafeez and Farhat played a very long innings chasing a score against Zimbabwe and both of them almost carried their bats.

For all the limitations Farhat had, I would probably take him in a heartbeat at this very moment if he is to be compared with Shaan.
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I wouldn't go that far... Farhat is certainly better than Masood, but that is because Masood doesn't look good at all at the moment. I woudln't want either of them in the team at the moment.

Shehzad, Aslam, Zaman all should be ahead of him for that slot I think.
 
Imran Farhat realised it too late.

In last 3,4 seasons Imran did not have any performances of note. It was mainly due to his poor fitness levels but


He must be given credit for his hard work.


We are witnessing Imran Farhat 2.0 in reality. He has worked so hard on his fitness and has become superfit. At 36-37 He lead HBL to their 3rd QEA title. He lead from the front by scoring 744 runs in 11 FC matches at a healthy average of 43.76 and a decent SR of 57. (2nd highest run aggregate)

At a similar age Misbah ul Haq peaked in Test Cricket and Sangakara stroked 4 Odi hundreds in WC.


Note : This is just an appreciation post for Imran Farhat Captain of HBL.


What's next for him ? Addition in PSL replacement draft if he tops runs chart in National T20 Cup 2018 where He will represent Multan.

Good Luck Imran.
 
Farhat was a good stroke maker but had poor tempermant. Masood and imam dont even know which end of a cricket bat to hold. Stupid comparison. :facepalm:
 
LOl.

Imran Farhat was MUCH better than this joke Shan Masood.

Expect more humiliation in SA.
 
Wow never I thought I'd see Imran Farhat praised so lavishly on PP.

It is true when Yasir Hameed and Imran Farhat hit those successive century opening partnerships vs New Zealand in 2003 that many fans including me thought that's our opening pair sorted for the next five years :))

Shan Masood has good fitness so is a darling of the team management despite repeated failures at Test level.
 
I don't know, I'm expecting Shan to do well in South Africa, and it's a bit unfair to compare him to Farhat. Don't think Farhat had it in him to play that rescue effort in Sri Lanka with Younis. Or even score 70 odd vs Steyn and co, which Shan did in UAE.

People hate him because of his alleged nepotistic connections. But it's not his fault they selected him in the WRONG FORMAT yet again. Sometimes I feel Inzi says Bismillah Hir Rahman Niraheem and then picks names out of a hat regardless of format or anything for selections he can't make his mind on.

Just an instinctive hunch, but I think Shanny will do well.
 
Suleiman said:
I don't know, I'm expecting Shan to do well in South Africa, and it's a bit unfair to compare him to Farhat. Don't think Farhat had it in him to play that rescue effort in Sri Lanka with Younis. Or even score 70 odd vs Steyn and co, which Shan did in UAE.

People hate him because of his alleged nepotistic connections. But it's not his fault they selected him in the WRONG FORMAT yet again. Sometimes I feel Inzi says Bismillah Hir Rahman Niraheem and then picks names out of a hat regardless of format or anything for selections he can't make his mind on.

Just an instinctive hunch, but I think Shanny will do well.
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Mate just watch footage of him vs Anderson and Broad on wickets with a bit in it, zero footwork, terrible off the front and back foot, a glorified tailender. The positives are that he speaks good english, has some connections and doesn't eat as much biryani as Sarfraz. There are far more deserving batsman in domestic cricket, he has blown the chances which were given to him and has shown that he can't hack it at the international level. He has spent a fair amount of time here in the UK, players from my uni have made him look like a village cricketer during MCC games. He will be slaughtered in South Africa, but credit to the kid for keeping it going despite being humiliated so many times; but that's not going to help Pakistan, we managed to get rid of Hafeez and replaced him with a guy who is arguably even more terrible.
 
shaz619 said:
Mate just watch footage of him vs Anderson and Broad on wickets with a bit in it, zero footwork, terrible off the front and back foot, a glorified tailender. The positives are that he speaks good english, has some connections and doesn't eat as much biryani as Sarfraz. There are far more deserving batsman in domestic cricket, he has blown the chances which were given to him and has shown that he can't hack it at the international level. He has spent a fair amount of time here in the UK, players from my uni have made him look like a village cricketer during MCC games. He will be slaughtered in South Africa, but credit to the kid for keeping it going despite being humiliated so many times; but that's not going to help Pakistan, we managed to get rid of Hafeez and replaced him with a guy who is arguably even more terrible.
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I see your point bro, and history and stats both tell us he will fail. But I'm backing this guy because unlike other players who get selected on links and connections he has actually been working hard on his game, that's why he is doing well in 50 over cricket. Full blame on Inzi for selecting him in the wrong format, it was not Shan's fault.

A guy like Hafeez however will come in with a million statement of why he is the opener sent by Allah himself and blessed him with batting, fielding, bowling, laser beams and dangerously good looks to do well at this level, before falling flat every time. Shan has put his head down and worked hard, no crying foul or anything (at least from what I've seen).

If I were the selector, I wouldn't have selected Shan for tests, literally no fan would, but now that he is in the team, am willing to back him rather than throw him under the bus even before the series starts for a selection he didn't have a hand in making (from what we know).
 
Suleiman said:
I see your point bro, and history and stats both tell us he will fail. But I'm backing this guy because unlike other players who get selected on links and connections he has actually been working hard on his game, that's why he is doing well in 50 over cricket. Full blame on Inzi for selecting him in the wrong format, it was not Shan's fault.

A guy like Hafeez however will come in with a million statement of why he is the opener sent by Allah himself and blessed him with batting, fielding, bowling, laser beams and dangerously good looks to do well at this level, before falling flat every time. Shan has put his head down and worked hard, no crying foul or anything (at least from what I've seen).

If I were the selector, I wouldn't have selected Shan for tests, literally no fan would, but now that he is in the team, am willing to back him rather than throw him under the bus even before the series starts for a selection he didn't have a hand in making (from what we know).
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All the best to him now that he has been picked although I have very low expectations
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] He’s a different man now as I said. Thing was he accepted he had to do better instead of showing ego and entitlement like Hafeez that I’m the best there’s nothing wrong with me. Early days still since the come back but the signs are good.
 
Looked pure class out there today against Steyn and Rabada on a green pitch. Very Very impressive!
 
From the evidence of Shan Masood’s batting in this test match, regardless of what level is his ability or talent, what is for certain is that Shan has not spent the last couple of years outside the team crying victimisation and doing Shampoo adverts - he has clearly been working on his batting, addressing his weaknesses and looks a much improved batsman , and I say that even if he scores three ducks in the next 3 innings.

This is Shan Masood 2.0 - a much more improved version.

Can anyone recall an innings where even batting legend Hafeez has looked that comfortable against a quality bowling attack in tricky conditions ?
 
There was a method to his batting today, which most pak batters always lack
 
Majid Khan said:
From the evidence of Shan Masood’s batting in this test match, regardless of what level is his ability or talent, what is for certain is that Shan has not spent the last couple of years outside the team crying victimisation and doing Shampoo adverts - he has clearly been working on his batting, addressing his weaknesses and looks a much improved batsman , and I say that even if he scores three ducks in the next 3 innings.

This is Shan Masood 2.0 - a much more improved version.

Can anyone recall an innings where even batting legend Hafeez has looked that comfortable against a quality bowling attack in tricky conditions ?
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Yes. Very good that he doesn't have an ego and an "I am the best and have no flaws" attitude
 
Shan looked really good today. So happy for him. Wish he’d got a 100 or even added 50 more to the total so SA had a daunting chase over 200 on this wicket but I’m simply glad that the top order didn’t roll over.

On the other hand , I hate the sight of imran farhat so much yet would give my right arm to have him in the team in place of fakhar.
 
Suleiman said:
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] He’s a different man now as I said. Thing was he accepted he had to do better instead of showing ego and entitlement like Hafeez that I’m the best there’s nothing wrong with me. Early days still since the come back but the signs are good.
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One thing I always give him credit for is his mental strength, it was his forte when I saw him play for Durham despite my reservations. But fair play, you were right in that he has made some improvements; early days but hopefully he can keep it up and clearly deserves another go. I don't think anyone even his biggest supporters would have predicted he would be the leading run scorer after the 1st Test.
 
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I think all of us are very guilty of being cynical after that series against england in 2016, he was up against some of the best bowlers in the world in tricky conditions and that too as an opener; Kohli didn't have the best debut tour either so expectations were unrealistic. After just one Test in SA he has done more then a number of Pak openers who have toured here over multiple series in the past. Long long way to go but it's nice to see a a little positive in the form of Shan and potential.
 
Philander will be a massive challenge for him next game. His technique will get really tested and I’m not convinced he’ll come through it. Let’s see.
 
shaz619 said:
I think all of us are very guilty of being cynical after that series against england in 2016, he was up against some of the best bowlers in the world in tricky conditions and that too as an opener; Kohli didn't have the best debut tour either so expectations were unrealistic. After just one Test in SA he has done more then a number of Pak openers who have toured here over multiple series in the past. Long long way to go but it's nice to see a a little positive in the form of Shan and potential.
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It was his struggle against Anderson's bouncers in UAE that made people dislike him. His repeated selection due to his father's influence didn't helped either.
Anyways, he has worked extremely hard in domestics, scored tons of runs and has came back with an improved technique. If he shows similar form against Philander in Newlands, than I believe we have a solid opener at our hands for tests and ODIs.
 
Both have more talent than the stats show, both have had their careers pushed on by influential people( father and father in law) and both will never reached the heights they promise. In Shaans case there is still time.
 
Hated Imran Farhat with soo much passion... Cant give him credit. Shan Masood stings but will select him over Farhat
 
I think Shan Masood has a better temperament than Imran Farhat but Imran had more range of shots than Shan.
 
Immy Farhat played against much tougher opponents back in the day. In his Vol 2.0 he had a rock solid technique.
 
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