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Shan Masood now averages 28 after 50 Test innings - worst ever for any Pakistan batsman in history!

You did not answer the question. What do you think his average will look like after 5 years of playing? Tell me a number.

It all depends on how many games Pakistan are scheduled to play in the next 5 years, I haven't really checked, nor I have to much time to do that, so I can't really give you an exact number.

But as I said earlier, now that he has the backing of the board and will be permanent member of the team and possibly captain his average will definitely be going up!!
 
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It all depends on how many games Pakistan are scheduled to play in the next 5 years, I haven’t really checked, nor I have to much time to do that, so I can’t really give you an exact number.

But as I said earlier, now that he has the backing of the board and will be permanent member of the team and possibly captain his average will definitely be going up!!

Why are you being so technical.

Just give me a number. What will his average year-by-year look like in 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027.

This is assuming Pakistan plays 8 Tests a year.
 
His innings today was a real mixed bag.

Some lovely shots, playing and missing and then a horrible shot to get out.

Standard Inns from Mr "English speaking" tailender.
 
Why are you being so technical.

Just give me a number. What will his average year-by-year look like in 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027.

This is assuming Pakistan plays 8 Tests a year.

Can you check how many exact number of games Pakistan are playing in each format and then I could give you a estimate guess of his average!!

Although I’m hoping he will be around for another 10 years, he’s only 32! Misbah played till 42!!
 
He will have a long career like Hafeez did based on some some good looking boundaries before getting out.
Hafeez deserves a lot more respect than he gets from Pakistani fans. At his best, he was a good all rounder. Shan Masood doesn't even have 1% of Hafeez's talent.
 
Can you check how many exact number of games Pakistan are playing in each format and then I could give you a estimate guess of his average!!

Although I’m hoping he will be around for another 10 years, he’s only 32! Misbah played till 42!!

I already told you. Just assume Pakistan plays 8 Tests a year.

8 Tests is 16 innings

Come on. It is not rocket science.

Give me the average of each year of Shan Masood for TESTS ONLY:

2023: X
2024: X
2025: X
2026: X
2027: X

If you really want, you can give me for 10 years or 15 years. But I only asked for the next 5 years.

2028: X
2029: X
2030: X
2031: X
2032: X
2033: X
2034: X
2035: X
2036: X
2037: X
 
I already told you. Just assume Pakistan plays 8 Tests a year.

8 Tests is 16 innings

Come on. It is not rocket science.

Give me the average of each year of Shan Masood for TESTS ONLY:

2023: X
2024: X
2025: X
2026: X
2027: X

If you really want, you can give me for 10 years or 15 years. But I only asked for the next 5 years.

2028: X
2029: X
2030: X
2031: X
2032: X
2033: X
2034: X
2035: X
2036: X
2037: X

Can’t give you an answer based on assumptions!!

I think we are only playing 2 tests now for rest of the of year and not 8!

Let’s be honest, Shan is a 50+ average test match player, only reason he has not been able to achieve that is because of the previous incompetence of the board!!

If he had continuously played for last 10 years he could be on 30 test match 100s!
 
Hafeez deserves a lot more respect than he gets from Pakistani fans. At his best, he was a good all rounder. Shan Masood doesn't even have 1% of Hafeez's talent.

Hafeez was a genuine flat track bully. Absolutely useless anywhere else.

Shan Masood, on the other hand, is so bad that he can't be compared to a mediocre batter like Hafeez.
 
Can’t give you an answer based on assumptions!!

I think we are only playing 2 tests now for rest of the of year and not 8!

Let’s be honest, Shan is a 50+ average test match player, only reason he has not been able to achieve that is because of the previous incompetence of the board!!

If he had continuously played for last 10 years he could be on 30 test match 100s!

You are just dancing around the question just like Shan dances on pitch when facing pace.

So you are saying Shan Masood would average 50.00+ if he continuously played and if the board was competent. BTW Do you know Shan Masood’s father is part of the PCB Board of Directors. So you are contradicting yourself and indirectly considering the batsman incompetent.

30 Test Centuries is a lot. That puts him in the league of:
Virat Kohli — 27 100s
Steven Smith — 30 100s

So Shan is a better player than Kohli, Smith, and others?
 
The Shan dismissal on Day 5 of the 2nd Test vs NZ

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Can’t give you an answer based on assumptions!!

I think we are only playing 2 tests now for rest of the of year and not 8!

Let’s be honest, Shan is a 50+ average test match player, only reason he has not been able to achieve that is because of the previous incompetence of the board!!

If he had continuously played for last 10 years he could be on 30 test match 100s!

Bhai...Kuch ziyada nahi ho gya...........:apology
 
You are just dancing around the question just like Shan dances on pitch when facing pace.

So you are saying Shan Masood would average 50.00+ if he continuously played and if the board was competent. BTW Do you know Shan Masood’s father is part of the PCB Board of Directors. So you are contradicting yourself and indirectly considering the batsman incompetent.

30 Test Centuries is a lot. That puts him in the league of:
Virat Kohli — 27 100s
Steven Smith — 30 100s

So Shan is a better player than Kohli, Smith, and others?

How exactly is that dancing around? You want me give you an estimate average without knowing exact number of matches we will play!! Come on, cut out the being clever act!

And again how is that contradicting myself when it comes to Shan selection? That's not me contradicting myself at all, infact it proves that Shan wasn't selected because of his connections through his father, had to at been the case he would have been a permanent member of the side for last 10 years! So I hope now people will stop calling him parchi and sifarishi!
 
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Some strange excuses coming out for a player who is averaging 28 in Test cricket after over 50 innings.

The Board now being blamed.

What next? The weather?
 
How exactly is that dancing around? You want me give you an estimate average without knowing exact number of matches we will play!! Come on, cut out the being clever act!

And again how is that contradicting myself when it comes to Shan selection? That's not me contradicting myself at all, infact it proves that Shan wasn't selected because of his connections through his father, had to at been the case he would have been a permanent member of the side for last 10 years! So I hope now people will stop calling him parchi and sifarishi!

You claimed that the PCB Board of Directors' incompetency was the reason for Shan Masood's failures. However, his father being part of the Board contradicts your claim, because you are implying that his father is incompetent (which indirectly implies Shan the batsman as well). But your original argument was that Shan is an excellent batsman.

I asked multiple times for you to estimate the average, but you just danced around and not gave an answer. I already said you to assume 8 Test matches a year, but still you did not comply. One big part of cricketing discourse is the discussion of mathematics and intricate statistics of rich data points this sport has. Not willing to discuss averages (accumulative, progressive, year-by-year) of players is quite illogical because statistics is an integral part of the cricket analytical discussion. Throwing a number out is not hard, it doesn't require much skill or crunching of mathematical models.

According to studies in many fields, there are some mantras or theorems taught:

Psychology says that the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
Statistics use mathematical data from past and current trends to predict the future.

As far as subject matter is concerned. Shan Masood's average has been on a steep decline since his century @ the Old Trafford in 2020—He averaged 34 then. Now after 13 innings that average has plunged to 28. This completely puts rest to your statement: "His average is only going one way, which is up!!".

I never called him parchi or sifarishi, that is just your thinking. Maybe the reason why he hasn't been a permanent member of the Test side was the he has the most Ducks as Pakistani Test Opener (7 Ducks in 53 Innings) after Mohammad Hafeez (8 Ducks in 105 Innings). And apparently you think that he would have 30 Centuries if he was "permanent member" of the Test side. And you want him to play for an another 10 years. Can you please justify your thinking?
 
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No fluke!! It’s sheer guts and determination on his part to make sure Pakistan are always in the game!!

Every post of yours has been extremely baffling and head-scratching just like a Shan’s innings.

Can you give one example of a game where Shan Masood has contributed positively in the past year?
 
Every post of yours has been extremely baffling and head-scratching just like a Shan’s innings.

Can you give one example of a game where Shan Masood has contributed positively in the past year?

Bhai jaaan no need to scratch your head so much!! It’s just a cricket forum!! Relax

Pretty much in all games against England T20 series and World Cup he contributed significantly!

Hence why now he was awarded test match and one day place! On top of that vice captain too!
 
PCB is totally oblivious to his embarrassing record. All they see is fluency in English & that is good enough to not only keep him in the team but also grant him vice-captaincy in ODIs. What a joke.

Perhaps one of the few instances that we agree entirely.

This new management is so comical with the stuff they're doing, that I think my mind's not ready to accept it as reality. Peak fever dream material.
 
He will english speak his way to a respectable average of 29 in the next two years and retire with dignity.
 
The Shan dismissal on Day 5 of the 2nd Test vs NZ

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So he almost gets out and decides that on the next ball, he will try to hit a big shot, which obviously doesn't work out for him.

What a genius.... not.
 
Let’s be honest, Shan is a 50+ average test match player, only reason he has not been able to achieve that is because of the previous incompetence of the board!!

If he had continuously played for last 10 years he could be on 30 test match 100s!

:)))

In our history, only Younas Khan has managed to acheive both. Score 30 test match 100s and average over 50+. Some of our greatest batsmen such as Inzamam ul Haq, Mohammad Yousuf, Javed Maindad, Zaheer Abbas couldn't achieve that feat, but you believe Shan Masood could have achieved that feat, if he wasn't 'unfairly' dropped.

Lol at the delusion :)))
 
Bhai jaaan no need to scratch your head so much!! It’s just a cricket forum!! Relax

Pretty much in all games against England T20 series and World Cup he contributed significantly!

Hence why now he was awarded test match and one day place! On top of that vice captain too!

I can't remember one T20 innings from him that had positive impact on Pakistan.

Stat Alert:
Every time, he bats more than 25 balls in a T20, Pakistan looses that match.

That includes the failed chase of 130 against Zimbabwe at the T20 World Cup, where Shan scored a magnificent 44(38) and lost the match.
 
An average of 16 now in 7 ODIs:

112 runs in 7 innings.
 
I have made peace with the reality that some people will never accept that he is not good enough.
 
He is absolutely useless. He’s hard working I’ll give him that, but there are many batsmen in amateur cricket who are hard working that never make it. He just hasn’t got the skill or talent.
 
I have made peace with the reality that some people will never accept that he is not good enough.

Myths were created how he had the best Avg in the world in list A and selfish babar was afraid to give him chance bcz he will replace him as captain in his best format.
 
Can’t give you an answer based on assumptions!!

I think we are only playing 2 tests now for rest of the of year and not 8!

Let’s be honest, Shan is a 50+ average test match player, only reason he has not been able to achieve that is because of the previous incompetence of the board!!

If he had continuously played for last 10 years he could be on 30 test match 100s!

Guy avgs in 30s even in firstclass.
 
Shan has not done anything for a long time.He was clueless today.Shafiq should play in all ODIs.I hope he will be part of the squad for the upcoming World Cup.
 
I still can't believe the management played Shan at 4 just to accommodate him. How can a traditional opener be starting his innings in the middle overs? You just dont have time to get on and need to get on with it like Rizwan showed.
 
This guy just does not belong in a Pakistan shirt. Shafique should have been playing instead, why do we love TTFs
 
Why wouldn't you invest in young guys like Abdullah, Saim who are already better than Shan skillwise and in better form ? Pakistan cricket boggles the mind
 
Even a broken clock is correct twice every 24 hours, and I fear a century is round the corner from Shan.
 
Right move to have dropped Shan?

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Shan given a lifeline by inclusion in the 4th ODI - can he make it count?
 
Looks like Shan going for gold here - played some good shots
 
As expected legendary Shan Masood fails again. I would sack Mickey Arthur only for this decision of bringing Shan back into the side, let alone other things.

Mickey didn't achieve anything with SL or with Australia. He had a fairly successful stint with South Africa but that was majorly because RSA had a very strong side at that time. He is an ordinary coach, I don't know why Sethi was dying to have him.
 
It just baffles me beyond belief how this guy keep on playing for national team. Bang average player with no strokes what so ever. He would not even make the Holland or Bermuda cricket first team never mind make national team and also vice captain. Begs belief what the selection think tank see in him. Must be his good English that’s about it.
 
Until and unless the crowd doesn't humiliate this useless guy like they did to khushdil shah.. He will continue torturing the fans...
 
We dropped Iman who averages 50+ in ODIs for this fraud. :)))

Playing with Shan means that you are starting every match with 10 men. He has been playing for Pakistan for 10 years. Does he have to play for another 10 years for people to realise than he is not international standard? I am getting sick and tired of seeing this guy in Pakistani colours.
 
Installing Shan means the whole team is on a slippery slope.
 
Embarrassing this guy needs a counselling on self esteem and pride, may earn his livelihood becoming a hawker than thus cheap backdoor sell-action
 
We dropped Iman who averages 50+ in ODIs for this fraud. :)))

Playing with Shan means that you are starting every match with 10 men. He has been playing for Pakistan for 10 years. Does he have to play for another 10 years for people to realise than he is not international standard? I am getting sick and tired of seeing this guy in Pakistani colours.

Imam was not dropped. With the series secure I think they wanted to give Shan a chance at his natural position in which he failed miserably. He surely won’t make the cut now for the next squad .
 
dude puts up mountains of runs when hes totally out of contention and flatters to deceive when the spotlight shines. about time Pakistan move on from him.
 
Imam was not dropped. With the series secure I think they wanted to give Shan a chance at his natural position in which he failed miserably. He surely won’t make the cut now for the next squad .

If that is the case, why don't Fakhar, Babar & Rizwan get rested to give others a chance? Surely their place is the team for world cup is secured too.
 
I think Shan is a solid cricketer but I think he is really mentally fragile when it comes to pressure. Reminds me of Azhar Ali's approach in the last few years. Too tentative.
 
I think Shan is a solid cricketer but I think he is really mentally fragile when it comes to pressure. Reminds me of Azhar Ali's approach in the last few years. Too tentative.

Why would anyone compare Azhar Ali to Shan Masood?
 
During yesterday's match there was a section where the commies were discussing 15 man suqads for both sides for the WC. All of them were unanimous that Shan Masood doesn't make it. Mohammed Nawaz also misses out, although there was some arguments for why he might make the squad.

It's pretty damning when not a single commentator or fan can make a case for a player.

That said - would it shock anyone if this underserving player made the WC somehow?
 
No more Shan Masood please atleast not in WC squad let a deserving guy make the cut
 
His "backing power" doesn't realize that consistently pushing him in the eleven is doing more harm to Shan by having the home crowd turn against him. It will only pile up the pressure on him.
 
We hear a lot of about his fitness and training regime but I don’t see any of it. He is slow and weak.

He has zero ability with the bat but if he was working as hard in the gym as some say, surely we should be seeing the results by now.

There is no doubt that he is the worst batsman to ever play for Pakistan for a substantial period of time. People compare him to Ramiz but even Ramiz wasn’t this bad.

Imran Farhat was Brian Lara compared to him.
 
Updated ODI stats:

Innings 9
Runs 163
Average 18.11
Strike-rate 69.65

Even Shan himself would admit that they are very poor numbers.
 
We hear a lot of about his fitness and training regime but I don’t see any of it. He is slow and weak.

He has zero ability with the bat but if he was working as hard in the gym as some say, surely we should be seeing the results by now.

There is no doubt that he is the worst batsman to ever play for Pakistan for a substantial period of time. People compare him to Ramiz but even Ramiz wasn’t this bad.

Imran Farhat was Brian Lara compared to him.

For a guy of his size and supposed fitness you would expect some degree of being able to muscle the ball to the boundary once in a while at least, but I'm pretty sure club cricketers can hit the ball further. Guy has next to no talent and his best bet is probably as a commentator where he can utilise those English skills.
 
For a guy of his size and supposed fitness you would expect some degree of being able to muscle the ball to the boundary once in a while at least, but I'm pretty sure club cricketers can hit the ball further. Guy has next to no talent and his best bet is probably as a commentator where he can utilise those English skills.
Commentator, fitness trainer or coach if he gets his certifications. He is already 34 and is a lost cause
 
He's 33 now. No matter how hard he works, he's not getting any better. Please let's move on for good.
 
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