I am not saying he’s the worst. But he’s had plenty of chances and still is found wanting . I would still give him the next test as well and see how he goes otherwise the line should be drawn under him .
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I am not saying he’s the worst. But he’s had plenty of chances and still is found wanting . I would still give him the next test as well and see how he goes otherwise the line should be drawn under him .
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Shan has 3 innings to get a ton and he will then be the skipper of the side under the Mickey Arthur regime.
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Masood fans keep telling everyone that his career average doesn’t tell the whole story because since making a comeback January 2019, he has been a much improved batsman.
Since January 2019, he is averaging 32.75 after 14 Tests.
In his last 6 Tests, he has averaged 9.
Essentially, the entire narrative of his improvement was based on 1-2 series where he had a brief little purple patch that ended after the first Test in England after which his form has absolutely tanked & mirrored his entire career.
It is very obvious that a player who has been junk for 20-21 of his 26 Test matches & is 33 years old is just not good enough.
I don’t why it is so hard for his fans to accept or what will it take for them to agree that he is rubbish.
It is incredible how much leverage you can get for speaking good English.
Since January 2019, he is averaging 32.75 after 14 Tests.
In his last 6 Tests, he has averaged 9.
Essentially, the entire narrative of his improvement was based on 1-2 series where he had a brief little purple patch that ended after the first Test in England after which his form has absolutely tanked & mirrored his entire career.
It is very obvious that a player who has been junk for 20-21 of his 26 Test matches & is 33 years old is just not good enough.
I don’t why it is so hard for his fans to accept or what will it take for them to agree that he is rubbish.
It is incredible how much leverage you can get for speaking good English.
Shan clearly deserved to get picked based on his performances but he clearly isn’t suited for international cricket the sooner we get rid of him the better. Time to invest in Mohammed Huraira who seems much better and very young unlike Shan who is nearing mid 30s.
Absolutely is. He shouldn’t be in the team overall.
However Kamraan had an average of 30 after almost a 100 innings, playing non stop and going alongside match losing keeping. That means he was another league of terrible and Shan doesn’t compare.
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Pretty much over the last 20 years years pakistan have gone through a process of using mediocre players in a batting line up and once they fail in a certain position, all of a sudden they get shift somewhere else in the batting line up and just failing again, but this time blocking a more deserving player into the team.
We saw this with Hafeez in ODIs, failed as an opener, got more to number 3 and then number 4. End result player keeps failing but shifting them round you block a spot in middle order.
Same thing Azhar Ali in tests, was opening and did fairly well and then decide to move him to 3. Which caused issues of then needing two dependable open, but the Azhar just hogged number 3 spot with his mediocre performances.
Shan awful opening batsmen, but now at number 3 and still flopping. We have numerous middle order batsmen who could be drafted in but seems like these Nepotism / Parchi selections will get included somewhere in batting line up no matter what.
Seems like "Garbage player" quota needs to be filled in the side.
We saw this with Hafeez in ODIs, failed as an opener, got more to number 3 and then number 4. End result player keeps failing but shifting them round you block a spot in middle order.
Same thing Azhar Ali in tests, was opening and did fairly well and then decide to move him to 3. Which caused issues of then needing two dependable open, but the Azhar just hogged number 3 spot with his mediocre performances.
Shan awful opening batsmen, but now at number 3 and still flopping. We have numerous middle order batsmen who could be drafted in but seems like these Nepotism / Parchi selections will get included somewhere in batting line up no matter what.
Seems like "Garbage player" quota needs to be filled in the side.
I don't get your obsession with comparing Shan with Kamran Akmal.
Compare Shan with top order batters who have played 50 Test innings for Pakistan and see how he compares. It won't be pretty.
As I explained before, statistics were used by the OP to call Shan the worst batter to ever play for Pakistan. I believe that is firmly Kamran Akmal who was an atrocious keeper and given almost 100 test innings because of his 'batting ability'.
Shan is in the league of Farhat, Butt, Faisal Iqbal etc.
Kamran is on the level of Hassan Ali and Rana Naved with the bat had they been given hundreds of International games in the top/ middle order.
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Shan's last series I feel if he doesnt do anything special soon.
He will then spend his career playing in the Counties - which isn't a bad thing.
He will then spend his career playing in the Counties - which isn't a bad thing.
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He can always write a book or follow Ramiz’s footsteps
He will serve PCB for many years
I don't think you are comprehending the fact that there is a difference between a batter and a wicket-keeper/batter.
As for Imran Farhat and Salman Butt - they both still averaged more than Shan Masood does in Test cricket at the moment.
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Feels like it is going that way at the moment for him.
Just doesn’t seem to be capable of putting together a significant innings in Test cricket.
Under normal circumstances, that would be true. But Kamraan’s keeping was so unbelievably atrocious - I’m sure you’ve seen the infamous dropped catches thread - that he was literally losing Pakistan games with the gloves, so the main reason he was in the team was as a batsman.
Farhatt and Butt have a slightly better record but Shan has played a couple of brilliant innings and overall is close enough to be considered in the same bracket.
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Under pressure at start of his innings - needs to see it through
What's Kamran Akmal's wicket-keeping got to do with Shan Masood's batting?
To say that a wicket-keeper was in the team mainly for his batting in Test cricket is ridiculous and makes no sense at all.
Good to see that you have finally admitted that Butt and Farhat had better records than Shan Masood. You are getting there now.
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This innings and the next two are hugely important from a personal perspective.
If he scores then he is crowned skipper.
If he fails he is dropped forever.
I don't see a middle ground for him.
These knocks have massive consequences for the future direction of Pakistan cricket.
If he scores then he is crowned skipper.
If he fails he is dropped forever.
I don't see a middle ground for him.
These knocks have massive consequences for the future direction of Pakistan cricket.
No matter what he does.
If Mickey Arthur becomes our coach, Shan is likely becoming our captain.
Will be terrible for us if that happens.
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Sent in as nightwatchmen today, replacing Azhar Ali in that role.
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Umpires call, but a failure nonetheless
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What is this nonsense man! Why are we continuously persisting with useless players?!
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And..
To think that he even got nominated for the ODI squad.
What kind of leverage does this guy have, to get selected for everything? I just can't understand. Even the freaking World T20!
Just good English?
Really?
His dad has worked for the PCB in the past. I don’t know if he still does or not.
Either way. ‘Nuff said.
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Another masterful failure!
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Why are we expecting from a tried tested failure? Mentally weak player
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And..
To think that he even got nominated for the ODI squad.
What kind of leverage does this guy have, to get selected for everything? I just can't understand. Even the freaking World T20!
Just good English?
Really?
He actually did a good job in T20 WC.
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Just like Sami Aslam, Masood has been proven to be a limited player after early hype.
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No its not, everyone knows hes well connected in PCB so will keep getting picked. PCB has no shame when it comes to certain selections.
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Shan Masood is a rubbish player of spin
We need to invest in players that can play spin well, they are getting owned by very average spinners. A Player ike Mohammad huraira needs to be given a longer run, genuine batsman against spin.
We need to invest in players that can play spin well, they are getting owned by very average spinners. A Player ike Mohammad huraira needs to be given a longer run, genuine batsman against spin.
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Not just PCB. The whole media was cheering for him, wanted him in all three formats
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And..
To think that he even got nominated for the ODI squad.
What kind of leverage does this guy have, to get selected for everything? I just can't understand. Even the freaking World T20!
Just good English?
Really?
Connections! Did he not have a relative on the board or something?
Not good enough. No way he should be considered captain. I thought he could have been but I was badly wrong. We needed him to show some guts and still be there at the end of the day. He didn't and another failure.
Shafique and Shaan are causing problems to Pakistan getting a good start in each test innings.
Shafique and Shaan are causing problems to Pakistan getting a good start in each test innings.
Everyone who saying he didn't deserve to get into team. Yes he deserved it. If you ain't going to give performing players chances then whats the point. If he it was politcial or favouritism he would been in ages ago but he earned his call up this time. But he has failed and maybe will get one test more and if he fails we can get rid of him forever. He has been shocking in tests especially and I would just give him one more test to prove his worth which I don't have think he will. Mentally he can come across as weak.
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Another brilliant innings by your next captain.
Another brilliant innings by your next captain.
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A decision that could have gone either way but over a number of tests that evens itself out.
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Time to drop him from test squad forever.
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I think Sethi regime will want to start afresh and Shan is their man with or without Mickey.
He now has two innings to make their dream a reality.
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If a player is a proven failure at international level, there is no logic in selecting him even if he has a record breaking domestic season.
Some players are not capable of replicating domestic performances in international cricket so let them stay in domestic.
Shan Masood made his debut in 2013. I fail to understand why so many fail to accept the reality that he is not cut for international cricket. Why do they keep flogging this dead horse is beyond me.
There are still some people who think he will come good or worse, he should become captain.
I don’t know what it will take for them to accept the harsh reality that Shan Masood is a shambolic player at the top level.
So 1 good inng is all it would take for him to be guaranteed a permanent place....after years of mediocrity.
Hope Sethi doesn't see it this way.
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If Shoaib Malik can drag his career for 20 years then why not Masood?
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Because Malik is a million times better player than Masood & has played innings Masood cannot dream of.
Masood is arguably the worst batsman in history to play for 10+ years. It is not an exaggeration.
He has zero talent. Zero.
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When it is said that talent without hard work is nothing, the opposite is true as well. Hard work without talent is also nothing. Shan may have a good work ethic but he has zero talent at the international level. Literally any half decent batsman from the domestic will outperform Shan over a reasonable sample size if given the chance at the international level. Case in point: Salman Agha.
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People overestimate hard work. Sure as you said it makes a huge difference & you will inevitably improve with it, but you can never succeed in any sports at the highest level if you don’t possess a huge amount of natural ability to complement the hard work.
Shan Masood has done everything to excel as an international cricket but you cannot buy or train natural ability which he doesn’t possess.
Shan Masood can bat 24 hours of the day & under the watch of the best batting coach in the world & he will still not make it because he does not have the talent to do so.
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a grand total of 100 runs in his last 12 test innings. An average of 8.33.
I am ready to bet that no top order batsman in pakistans history has a streak like that. only 100 runs in 12 innings.
I am ready to bet that no top order batsman in pakistans history has a streak like that. only 100 runs in 12 innings.
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Not much talent and skills with bat but has gained vast experience. Should be tried in the roll of specialist skipper.
Also can speaka good english.
Also can speaka good english.
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Good ENglish though.
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Imagine he never had that century v England
: tailender!
: tailender!
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Some PPers have soft spot for him cause they are either English or anglophile and Shan is their indirect representative in PCT. They even support him for captaincy.
He is alright technically. Just not mentally suited for international cricket.
He is alright technically. Just not mentally suited for international cricket.
Amazing.
And that got him selected for the ODI probables as well.
What is Afridi smoking?
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That is not true.
If Shan Masood bats 24 hours a day and the best coach in the world works with him for 365 days, there will be an improvement.
Not just in Shan Masood or a cricketer.
There will be improvement in EVERY player.
Even doctors who can't memorize with a photographic memory by repeating, repetition and training become world class with a limited talent.
Hard work is under rated.
The problem is hard work has to be done for A LONG TIME before it reaps dividends.
People just assume 3 months of hard work 3 hours a day is enough to cut it at international level.
Hard work isn’t a substitute for talent. Rather, hard work should compliment talent. Hard work and talent go hand in hand. You won’t succeed at international level, if you missing one or the other.
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Everyone has talent to do it.
I don't believe anyone who says "talent doesn't exist".
It exists in every individual.
But not everyone is smart enough to "discover it, nurture it and make a career out of it".
There's talent in everyone.
But, not everyone has the talent for the TOP level.
Sure, someone has cricketing talent to be the best in their street cricket matches. Then, someone else would have adequate talent to perform reasonably well at domestic grade 1 or grade 2 level.
There are tons of such players.
But, no matter how many hard yards you put in, if you don't have talent for the top (international) level, others with much better talent will BULLDOZE you.
Someone playing for Pakistan is going to compete against the best talent of other teams. Plus, competition from within country for the same spot.
It's not going to work out if they lack in talent for the international level.
That is precisely what Shan's problem is.
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Shoaib malik scored 245 innings in his last test match. That was his least preferred format.
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Again, Masood is rubbish, doesn’t belong in international cricket and shouldn’t be in the team.
But to say he’s the worst player to play for 10+ years is wrong when we had Kamraan who played hundreds of international games and averaged in the 20s across formats.
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We are saying the same thing in a different way. Hard work will inevitably improve you. No doubt. I mentioned this in the first three lines of my post that you quoted.
However, unless you have the required natural agility, your hard work will never take you to the top.
Masood is averaging 29-30 due to his hard work. If he was lazy with a poor work ethic, he would probably be averaging 15 considering his clear lack of natural ability.
Someone who was never picked a tennis racquet in his life can become a very decent player with hard work & determination, but he will never become a Federer unless he possesses the same raw talent for the sport.
In academics, your talent is basically your IQ. You can score high marks in exams even with low IQ if you are willing to put in the effort but to be a topper, you need to have that sharpness & intelligence that you cannot achieve with hard work alone.
In summary, to be a high achiever in your domain, you need to be born with talent & then you need to take that talent to the next level with your hard work.
0 1 18 4 0 10 0 0 24 30 10 3
Terrible run of scores.
Yet some players are dropped after just 1 Test match and never picked again.
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I disagree, he was given so many chances that he played a couple of fluke innings. Even Amir had a couple of brilliant ODI innings, Leach scored 90+ opening and Gillespie has a double century. If you gave Hassan Ali and Rana Naved as many chances as Kamraan Akmal had, I guarantee they will play better innings and have a better overall career.
Shan had a lot fewer chances than Kamraan and was dropped multiple times so was never given as close to an extended run but has a couple of brilliant innings like the fourth innings chase against Sri Lanka and the 150+ score on a tough pitch in England.
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I wounder what these Backers in the back ground get from having Shan in the team? What are they actually gaining from Pushing him in the side. 100 Runs in last 12 Inns is shameful there is zero justification for picking him.
Clearly those that are giving in to outside Pressure.
A player who can speak English but cant hold a cricket bat!
Clearly those that are giving in to outside Pressure.
A player who can speak English but cant hold a cricket bat!
I see, if in doubt and struggling, compare Shan Masood with Kamran Akmal.
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I don’t see the merit in this comparison. It is random.
You are comparing a WK batsman with a specialist opener/top-order batsman. Kamran was not the most consistent but after the retirement of Latif/Moin & the emergence of Sarfraz, he was the best available WK batsman.
In 2009, he was Pakistan’s top scorer in all three formats & played an important role in World T20 2009 triumph.
There is no doubt that he had a better career than Masood & even if he did not, this is a poor comparison to begin with.
Compared Masood with others specialist openers/number 3 in Pakistan Test history & you will not find anyone worse than him.
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Sami Aslam was an upgrade over both Imam and Shan.
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i wonder where Masood is in terms of all teams and over 50 inns, i bet he must be in a top 10 as well 
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Not sure if PCB media thought this one through but...
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Not sure if PCB media thought this one through but...
It’s actually very below the belt thinking by PCB
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If he can’t score runs on these pitches, it’s safe to say he is finished as a Test cricketer. He’s capable of producing that once in a blue knock that makes his fans go gaga, but that’t not good enough and for a guy in his 30’s, you need to be more consistent as a senior player if you want to call him that
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i wonder where Masood is in terms of all teams and over 50 inns, i bet he must be in a top 10 as well
Among batsmen who have batted between 1 to 4 positions (min 50 innings), he is 10th.
Those ahead of him are specislist captain Mike Brearly; 4 WI batsmen from last 2 decades -- Shai Hope, Devon Smith, Kieran Powell, Darren Ganga; SA's Arthur Nourse from pre WW era (he had 41 wickets in 45 tests); John Dyson from Aus who played between 1977-1984; Martin Guptill & Lahiru Thirimanne from the current era.
This doesn't include batters from BD & Zim.
My cousin was looking at where he has played his Test innings and more than half have been in Asian conditions.
These sort of numbers you could see if he had played 20 or so innings in Australia and South Africa but he hasn't and that's worrying.
These sort of numbers you could see if he had played 20 or so innings in Australia and South Africa but he hasn't and that's worrying.
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Correction: It is highligghted above.
I meant to say "after failing in only 4 tests"....
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You cannot whatabout on selection issues or compare diff decisions by diff boards. The reality is that most decisions are a function also of how the team is performing; how much credit mgmt/selectors have in bank to carry underperforming player; how strongly replacement candidates are making their case for selection.
An above average performing team can afford to carry a poor performing player averaging 25-30 odd (think Ganguly 2003-05; Hussey around 2009; Collingwood 2010). Either this is because the player
a. Is a young player with high ceiling whom mgmt believes in
b. Is a proven high performance player in a middle stage of his career going through a trough wherein mgmt feels that he can come out of and go back to averaging 40-45+ for a reasonable period of time
c. Is a grizzled veteran coming to the close of his career offering poor output on field but giving intangible value to team morale and guidance off field. Management may just be trying to get him over the line for his last big series before transitioning.
With Shan, he has an average of 28 and even his biggest supporter would concede that best case that average ceiling would be around 36-38.
Since he is a comeback man that too at mid 30s age, expectation is that he can produce output immediately at 36-38 avg level and shepherd batting inns. There is no scope to give him 5-10 tests to 'find his feet'.
You can play around with the stats however you want to, but 51 Test innings is usually enough time to judge a player.
The ones who should actually feel cheated and hard done by are the players who get 1 Test, perform well and get thrown out of the team.
The concern for many I guess is that this guy has had a lot of chances yet he still hasn't managed to establish himself in the Test side.
The ones who should actually feel cheated and hard done by are the players who get 1 Test, perform well and get thrown out of the team.
The concern for many I guess is that this guy has had a lot of chances yet he still hasn't managed to establish himself in the Test side.
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This is a key posting.
He’s played half his cricket on flat wickets in the UAE/Pakistan.
The fact that he hasn’t “kicked on” in his career is disappointing— he has played important innings at Test level (and surprisingly in T20 at the recent WC) but never made the next step and achieved consistency.
Comparisons with Crawley are not reasonable as Crawley is much younger (and is being partially picked on potential) and has played over half his Tests in England and Australia — tough places for an opener.
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