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Shan Masood - Why is he selected again?

Shan Masood mystery!!!

I fail to understand what is so special about Shan. He hardly has any strokes, all he does is wastes balls, builds pressure and gets out. Even his 67 runs in A team was far too slow.
Even in test matches opener cannot have a negative approach. The only reason why I think he was included and persisted is because he can speak English. He has a mediocre First Class record, doesn't have a single List A 100 and has one of the most horrible Twenty20 average of only 13(that is shocking and proof of his limitless strokes).

There are so many players who can easily replace him. If Azhar Ali opens, which he is completely capable of doing, you can easily fit in Haris, Fawad, Babar Azam, heck even Adnan Akmal. All i am saying is injustice is being done as there are far more deserving players than Shan who should be playing instead of him.
 
I saw only the dismissal today , but that looked ugly ...as bad as Fawad Alam ugly .
 
Shan is the perfect backup someone would like to have when being dropped from the national team.
 
Where are the Hafeez haters?

Don't get me wrong, I support every player who represents Pakistan, but Shan is not good enough to replace Hafeez yet!


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Shaan looked good before he was bowled with an absolute beauty.

Sad to see how many PAK fans have jumped on him.

Surprisingly the three most disliked are Shehzad, Amin & Shan. All three with good background and speak English well. Seems PP'ers have something against these type of people.

Shan will come good. That was an absolute beauty which got him.

Being a beauty has nothing to do with leaving that much gap between bat and pad. Looking good for 10-15 runs is not good enough for test cricket. You will be considered mediocre if you look good, play a few good strokes and then get out below 20. Umar Amin has the same issue.
 
He got a good ball but was definitely not an unplayable ball. I cant buy this technically sound batsman story cause if he was anywhere near technically correct that ball would have hit his bat or pad and that way outside off stump so no point in getting out too.

Poor batsman in FC and should not be playing ahead of Harris Sohail.
 
This is an awesome delivery. Any other batsman of the world would have gotten out to this delivery.

That's not true at all. Yes it spun a lot, but a top order batsman should not have allowed it to spin like that. If he would have got his feet closer to the pitch of the ball and kept his bat close to his body, he would have smothered the spin and the delivery would not have looked as "special" as it did. Sorry but that is inept batting.
 
Give him a break. He got a 70 against Steyn :hafeez

But could not handle mr smoothie :tahir

His high Bat lift makes him vulernable to spin bowling. That's how Imran Tahir got him. He was bowled by Ish Sodhi another leg spinner. He has a better technique against Fast bowlers. Lets see how he handles Sodhi in the next 3 innings. Still think Fawad Alam deserves a chance. How you can you not play someone who averages so high (in First Class) and performs.
 
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I can't believe how you guys are lambasting the poor guy, he may not be a 50 avg batsman, but surely he has a few good qualities excellent fielder, committed on the field, articulate, all that helps in team bonding, frankly i will take a 35 avg batsman with excellent fielding than a 50 avg batsman who can't take dollies like rahat ali. Seriously, pak cricket culture does not appreciate street smart mediocre players rather they are on the lookout for gifted - dumb cricketers, I would on any given day take the former because of the value they bring to the team, look at India almost all the players are mediocre but they are smart, have good fielding standards since ipl, false aggression and full of empty arrogance and yet they clinch close games. Pak can unearth a few exceptional talents every now and then, who would win you games but they would soon be found out, because they are plain stupid, sheer talent can only take you so far. You may be a mediocre batsman and bowler but there can be no compromise in the fielding standards, this should be the approach for pak and if that happens pak would win more than they are doing these days. Cricket has changed a lot, the sooner the pak establishment makes peace with this fact, the better it is for pak cricket.
 
I can't believe how you guys are lambasting the poor guy, he may not be a 50 avg batsman, but surely he has a few good qualities excellent fielder, committed on the field, articulate, all that helps in team bonding, frankly i will take a 35 avg batsman with excellent fielding than a 50 avg batsman who can't take dollies like rahat ali. Seriously, pak cricket culture does not appreciate street smart mediocre players rather they are on the lookout for gifted - dumb cricketers, I would on any given day take the former because of the value they bring to the team, look at India almost all the players are mediocre but they are smart, have good fielding standards since ipl, false aggression and full of empty arrogance and yet they clinch close games. Pak can unearth a few exceptional talents every now and then, who would win you games but they would soon be found out, because they are plain stupid, sheer talent can only take you so far. You may be a mediocre batsman and bowler but there can be no compromise in the fielding standards, this should be the approach for pak and if that happens pak would win more than they are doing these days. Cricket has changed a lot, the sooner the pak establishment makes peace with this fact, the better it is for pak cricket.
Nice Joke. India with mediocre players, Rohit and Kohli are full of potential. Dhoni averages 50+ in ODIs. Raina is a special player and Jadeja FYI averages 50+ in FC.
 
His average might not be good ......... but he did great in last season. scored at the rate of above 50.
he was done by a very good delivery in first innings vs NZ so cant blame him.
 
That's not true at all. Yes it spun a lot, but a top order batsman should not have allowed it to spin like that. If he would have got his feet closer to the pitch of the ball and kept his bat close to his body, he would have smothered the spin and the delivery would not have looked as "special" as it did. Sorry but that is inept batting.

he is abviously not Saeed anwar yet ...... some things you learn with experience. warner got out like that, doesnt mean he is a bad batsman.
 
Some seriously atrocious comments in this thread, wake up to yourselves people.
 
I don't know if he is good or not, But I know one thing that Fawad Alam deserves to be in the test team ahead of him.
 
I don't know if he is good or not, But I know one thing that Fawad Alam deserves to be in the test team ahead of him.
Haris Sohail, Fakhar, Sami, Fawad and Azhar the Opener. All deserve above Shan the P a r c h i Masood.
 
Looks like a strokeless wonder, just as bad as manzoor in my eyes and looks techincally a **** poor player as well, yet sadly the selectors seem to see something special that we dont :facepalm:
 
It is torture out there for him and consequently for Pak fans.

How did he get an international stint? :srt
 
he needs to start using his feet to spinners....horrible idea to play them off the back foot....you dont do that unless you have quicksilver feet, which he doesnt. 3 tests isnt enough to decide on him imo.....he seems to be a decent bat.
 
Feel sorry for him but there is no substitute for talent. He has good ingredients minus the most important one.

I'm sure a lot of PPers have more ability but couldn't pursue this game professionally for various reasons. :razzaq
 
Even though it's turning a mile, he looks clueless against spin.

He does have a great defence against the pace bowlers though; firm and balanced.

If he has any future, he needs to improve drastically against the spinners.
 
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Feel sorry for him but there is no substitute for talent. He has good ingredients minus the most important one.

I'm sure a lot of PPers have more ability but couldn't pursue this game professionally for various reasons. :razzaq

i still have hope for him..interestingly enough he seems quite solid with the quicks .....doesnt use his feet against spinners which is decidedly un subcontinental and a little bewildering.
 
Needs to show some performance and give fans a reason to back him So far there hasnt been any

A good 70 odd today would go a long way to answering a few critics

Is he capable?
 
Feel sorry for him but there is no substitute for talent. He has good ingredients minus the most important one.

I'm sure a lot of PPers have more ability but couldn't pursue this game professionally for various reasons. :razzaq

Has about the same timing ability as Azhar but Azhar has confidence behind him.
 
Get rid of this ......, really really bad for players performing tirelessly in domestic and he is playing ahead of them.
 
Looking utterly clueless at the moment

Edit: Hits his first 6. Hope he gets some confidence now
 
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He was out anyway..it was clipping leg stump. Stop whinging.

It was an awful decision both by the umpire and whoever is sat fiddling with the hawkeye. You might not like to hear a different opinion but that is what these forums are here for. Either accept it or leave the discussion.
 
But you gotta have a pretty decent bias towards the player to find the decision unfair. Anyway , enoy your freedom.
 
Limited player who at best will get you 20-30 runs per inns, not international standard and should be dumped!
 
But you gotta have a pretty decent bias towards the player to find the decision unfair. Anyway , enoy your freedom.

Not at all. The ball was bowled from wide and was going past leg stump to the naked eye, really the umpire would not have given that out 9 times out of 10 in the first place. Why hate on Masood for being given out in such dubious circumstances? Does he really deserve that?
 
He was out anyway..it was clipping leg stump. Stop whinging.

you have to be ridiculously biased against the guy to say that.....in no universe is trent boult doing that with an an old ball on a 5th day wicket....without the ball even pitching
 
I don't know if he is good or not, But I know one thing that Fawad Alam deserves to be in the test team ahead of him.

I somewhat agree to that. As a team, we need to identify who our batsmen are and who like to play in long term future.
I believe your best batsmen should play both test and ODI formats and expecially tests. That is why I think we should play Fawad Alam, Umar Akmal and Sohaib Maqsood in both tests and ODI's. we got it right with Ahmed Shahzad and look he has started to deliver.
However, with Azhar and Asad playing as test specialist, the chances look bleek.

Fawad Alam however, should not play as an opener. He has a weakness against ball moving away and apparently Misbah as well. So he should replace misbah in future, like for like. (just a joke)
 
I dunno whether he deserves to be in the team or not, but one thing I liked was that he worked on his technique with Grant after getting out in the first inning and implemented what he learned in the second. I suppose that kind of learning should probably be done at lower levels but I still found it impressive.
 
I didnt see but he played for a forty today and again got out on a good ball apparently. has anybody seen him play today?
just a food for thought, not by means comparing him to anyone. but do you know saeed anwar got a pair in his first test match.
 
I am not saying he is a good player though, all I said is that he was doing quite well today before getting a poor decision against him. I don't really see why anyone should be arguing against that.

Fair enough, the decision was dubious.
 
He was out anyway..it was clipping leg stump. Stop whinging.

No one is whining. There are technical flaws in the technology as it sometimes shows bizzare trajectories for the ball, like It did in the semi final (WC 2011) it showed a straight ball spinning a mile.
 
As an Opener Shan has a good technique against the pacer. Especially how he leaves the ball. but Against spinners especially leg spinners, he sruggles to keep the ball out. He makes Ish sodhi look like a "Shane Warne"
 
Just a gentle word of warning. DO NOT bring in any personal stuff about Shan etc - we are not interested in his family etc.
 
As an Opener Shan has a good technique against the pacer. Especially how he leaves the ball. but Against spinners especially leg spinners, he sruggles to keep the ball out. He makes Ish sodhi look like a "Shane Warne"

To be fair though, Sodhi was bowling into the rough and the ball was exploding from there, spinning very sharply and with variable bounce. Shan actually adjusted well considering the circumstances.
 
I think he still has weakness against spin. But still, I would have continued with him for few more Tests because

1. He is a lefty - great to have a left-right opening combination
2. He has a very good technique against moving balls - I ave hardly seen him disturbed by pacers. Got out to a swinging ball indeed, but that was a shocker of a decision. I wonder this same umpire gave BoD to Latham against Adil on 1st morning
3. He is among very few PAK players for whom it took 2 absolute beauty to get him out. This guy put value to his wicket & 'll made bowlers to earn him
4. He is a much better rotator than someone like Azar. Always looks for singles & knows his limitations
5. His footwork is better than most PAK batsmen barring YK & may be Asad
6. Tendency to play on ground - only twice he lofted & it cleared the boundary. In fact, I can't recall a single shot in both innings where the ball traveled more than 5 metres in air, unless it was meant to be.
7. He is a brilliant specialist fielder - I see him occupying a vital catching position for years

But, things that impressed me most are
1. His learning curve - just about a couple of days time, he seems to work out a method to survive against spinners. May not be eye catching, but got his job done. His spin play reminds me the old memory of 2 ugly Aussies - who used to start like No. 10 & 11, but knew how to survive & after an hour or two of struggle in the middle, for rest of the match bowling side 'll keep wondering what's going on - Langer & S Waugh.
2. Cricket intelligence - some of the improvisations we very intelligent, like he never tried hit against the spin unless it's a long hop, used the gap intelligently to rotate the strike, stretched his front pad out side line whenever in confusion, used soft hands whenever blocked a ball. This are signs that this guy knows how to survive & very much aware to ways a batsman can get the benefit of 50-50 doubts.

Only talent can't take a batsman to top level. In fact an outstanding talent with poor work ethics & game applications probably 'll end inferior to a less talented but true grit batsman. The Laras, Pontings & Tendulkars had both, but statistically Chanderpaul isn't behind any of them. I can only say that what little I have seen, if he can match Shan in intelligence, work ethics, grit (Value for own wicket) - Umar Akmal has enough talent to play 125+ Tests for PAK, but I don't back him to play even 25. Talent is nothing if the dedication, discipline or application is not there - Shan has lots of those, a perfect foil for Test opener. My only fear is PCB Selectors might play him in ODI for the 2 SIX he hit - 'll be a disaster, just like Taufique Umar 13 years back.
 
I think he still has weakness against spin. But still, I would have continued with him for few more Tests because

1. He is a lefty - great to have a left-right opening combination
2. He has a very good technique against moving balls - I ave hardly seen him disturbed by pacers. Got out to a swinging ball indeed, but that was a shocker of a decision. I wonder this same umpire gave BoD to Latham against Adil on 1st morning
3. He is among very few PAK players for whom it took 2 absolute beauty to get him out. This guy put value to his wicket & 'll made bowlers to earn him
4. He is a much better rotator than someone like Azar. Always looks for singles & knows his limitations
5. His footwork is better than most PAK batsmen barring YK & may be Asad
6. Tendency to play on ground - only twice he lofted & it cleared the boundary. In fact, I can't recall a single shot in both innings where the ball traveled more than 5 metres in air, unless it was meant to be.
7. He is a brilliant specialist fielder - I see him occupying a vital catching position for years

But, things that impressed me most are
1. His learning curve - just about a couple of days time, he seems to work out a method to survive against spinners. May not be eye catching, but got his job done. His spin play reminds me the old memory of 2 ugly Aussies - who used to start like No. 10 & 11, but knew how to survive & after an hour or two of struggle in the middle, for rest of the match bowling side 'll keep wondering what's going on - Langer & S Waugh.
2. Cricket intelligence - some of the improvisations we very intelligent, like he never tried hit against the spin unless it's a long hop, used the gap intelligently to rotate the strike, stretched his front pad out side line whenever in confusion, used soft hands whenever blocked a ball. This are signs that this guy knows how to survive & very much aware to ways a batsman can get the benefit of 50-50 doubts.

Only talent can't take a batsman to top level. In fact an outstanding talent with poor work ethics & game applications probably 'll end inferior to a less talented but true grit batsman. The Laras, Pontings & Tendulkars had both, but statistically Chanderpaul isn't behind any of them. I can only say that what little I have seen, if he can match Shan in intelligence, work ethics, grit (Value for own wicket) - Umar Akmal has enough talent to play 125+ Tests for PAK, but I don't back him to play even 25. Talent is nothing if the dedication, discipline or application is not there - Shan has lots of those, a perfect foil for Test opener. My only fear is PCB Selectors might play him in ODI for the 2 SIX he hit - 'll be a disaster, just like Taufique Umar 13 years back.

Very good post. Love to see someone being positive.

And he was in the past actually averaging 40 in list-a cricket. But of late has had a poor run of form. Still I'd keep him only in tests.

One of the most impressive strokes was the six. Not simply because it was a six, it was the way in which he played it. Usually when I see a young PAK bat coming down to hit six head up in the air eyes closed. Compare this to the six by Shan. Beautiful execution. Head down watching the ball, didn't try to overhit and overall a beautiful shot.

Second one was also very impressive. That delivery kept pretty low yet he watched it right onto the bat and executed it beautifully.

He is not talented. He admits this himself but he is a tremendous worker.
 
Very good post. Love to see someone being positive.

And he was in the past actually averaging 40 in list-a cricket. But of late has had a poor run of form. Still I'd keep him only in tests.

One of the most impressive strokes was the six. Not simply because it was a six, it was the way in which he played it. Usually when I see a young PAK bat coming down to hit six head up in the air eyes closed. Compare this to the six by Shan. Beautiful execution. Head down watching the ball, didn't try to overhit and overall a beautiful shot.

Second one was also very impressive. That delivery kept pretty low yet he watched it right onto the bat and executed it beautifully.

He is not talented. He admits this himself but he is a tremendous worker.


Forgot to mention one more point - he is among very few PAK youngster with a top hand technique. His elbow movement is perfect for a opener.
 
All that is correct especially the top hand technique, but I find him very much lacking as far as talent is concerned.

If we want a left handed technically sound opener, I'd prefer Amin to him.
 
All that is correct especially the top hand technique, but I find him very much lacking as far as talent is concerned.

If we want a left handed technically sound opener, I'd prefer Amin to him.

Amin does not want to open. He doesn't open for his fc side. Understand this.
 
Forget about technique. The most impressive thing about him is his willingness to learn and as a result the work ethic.As was the case this test. In the space of two days he worked on his flaw and didn't make the same mistake again. Thats what I rate, hard-work and sweating out there for the long hours. It is what takes you far in life, not talent.

Really good to see Pakistan players like Shehzad, Shan working hard, learning from there mistakes and trying to improve. Look at their fitness results for example. Long may this trend continue.
 
All that is correct especially the top hand technique, but I find him very much lacking as far as talent is concerned.

If we want a left handed technically sound opener, I'd prefer Amin to him.

Please. Amin is rubbish.

There is no other way to put it.
 
He will come good. Just needs abit of confidence to get him kick started. Aslong as they persist with him for a run of games he'll become more assured and will play better, I'm sure.
 
Amin does not want to open. He doesn't open for his fc side. Understand this.

Opening is the only way he can get a game and make a career. You don't always get what you want and you have to make do otherwise he rot in domestic for the rest of his life.
 
And I would get stick from you guys for saying that he has a very good technique for an opener. :ibutt
 
I don't exactly rate this guy yet but I really respect him for showing the kind of fight he put up today. After he got out to Sodhi last innings, he worked hard in the ners against that particular delivery.

Fantastic stuff.
 
Oh now he has a few fans. You guys need to start supporting cricketers from the start.
 
Amin would have opened in my ODI team - much better prospect than anyone lefti in PAK. Problem is, I have never read him opening in FC matches, which means he doesn't back himself to open. Amin, is already very shaky with his confidence, may be forcing him to open in FC (Not even Test) 'll not help his cause. I 'll play Amin in ODI as opener (& in T20 as well, if he is selected) & once he is settled as opener, may be after once YK & Misbah retires, Amin can take a spot in Top 3.

Shan is a limited player, but to a certain extent, so was Shohaib Mohammad, Hashan Tilekratne & so is Azhar Ali. In fact, when started, Boycott was stroke less wonder. Any team can afford one player who can take the shine of the ball. I think Shan has much more shots than Azhar, 5 years younger & can rotate the strike much better. He 'll definitely bat at a much higher strike rate than Azhar. Also his learning curve is encouraging & I like left-handers in top 3.
 
I don't exactly rate this guy yet but I really respect him for showing the kind of fight he put up today. After he got out to Sodhi last innings, he worked hard in the ners against that particular delivery.

Fantastic stuff.

Agree, looks like a hard working cricketer but got unlucky in 2nd innings (bizarre Hawk-Eye decision).
 
Amin would have opened in my ODI team - much better prospect than anyone lefti in PAK. Problem is, I have never read him opening in FC matches, which means he doesn't back himself to open. Amin, is already very shaky with his confidence, may be forcing him to open in FC (Not even Test) 'll not help his cause. I 'll play Amin in ODI as opener (& in T20 as well, if he is selected) & once he is settled as opener, may be after once YK & Misbah retires, Amin can take a spot in Top 3.

Shan is a limited player, but to a certain extent, so was Shohaib Mohammad, Hashan Tilekratne & so is Azhar Ali. In fact, when started, Boycott was stroke less wonder. Any team can afford one player who can take the shine of the ball. I think Shan has much more shots than Azhar, 5 years younger & can rotate the strike much better. He 'll definitely bat at a much higher strike rate than Azhar. Also his learning curve is encouraging & I like left-handers in top 3.

Amin doesn't want to open. I've suggested it to him and he is not in favour of it. Will try it soon though. He likes playing at 4.

Shan is very limited yes but I believe he can score at a 50 SR which is good. Against new ball he will hardly be troubled. Watch the way he leaves the ball. Very confidently. Plays the quick stuff real well and will be an asset in ENG, AUS & SA.

Has a lot of work to do in regards to playing spin but he will come good. He and YK are very close and YK passes him tips very often.

So many things to like about him.
 
Was very impressed with Shan today. Those 2 sixes he smacked in particular were very impressive. Lovely to watch, until he got out.

Should be persisted with.

Shehzad/Azhar/Shan can open for us anywhere in Tests. Hafeez is an option in the UAE.

Taufeeq and Afaq should be next in line after the aforementioned players.
 
Amin doesn't want to open. I've suggested it to him and he is not in favour of it. Will try it soon though. He likes playing at 4.

Shan is very limited yes but I believe he can score at a 50 SR which is good. Against new ball he will hardly be troubled. Watch the way he leaves the ball. Very confidently. Plays the quick stuff real well and will be an asset in ENG, AUS & SA.

Has a lot of work to do in regards to playing spin but he will come good. He and YK are very close and YK passes him tips very often.

So many things to like about him.



This is his biggest problem - you can tell it to him - negative mind set. He has a predetermined fear that he can't be succesful as opener. Why he should be afraid? He has the technique & shots to be successful as opener. Intelligent people look for opportunities - now the competition is too high at 4; better try as the opener & first make the team. Also, in ENG he was coming at 4 at 7/2; 12/2 which is basically opening.

This exactly why Amin averages 20 in Internationals - he always prepares for failure, rather than try other way round - back own strength & take the challenge. Also, he should look to bowl at least 15 overs in a 80 over day in FC cricket. He can be as good an ODI bowler even like Ganguly, Robin Singh or Mathews.
 
Is this the end of this torture? For him as well as PAK fans watching cricket?

Certainly hope so. I hope deserving players like Aslam, Babar etc are given chances now. Or Haris is somehow included.

The next test is half an year away anyway.
 
The end to the road for this lad me thinks, at least for international's I must say. Also for arguments sake he doesn't even have decent FC stats which blatantly begs to question how on earth, even if through methods, did he actually get selected ?? :facepalm: Farhat, as many have suggested here, was at least a gun domestic player so his inclusion was understandable but Massod is head and tails below Farhat which in itself speaks volume of where exactly Shaan stands. He can earn a living by playing in domestics since he is a professional cricketer now and I will wish him all the best but as far as international goes, AT THE MOMENT [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] 's analogy of having no ability I think now is pretty evident.

Unless and until he makes some freakish strides in his technique and temperament in FC I don't see him anywhere near the team selection once Babar Azam and Sami Aslam make the Squad. Heck even Harris's inclusion is making a case for Shaan to be dropped who is a middle order batsman - tells us everything we need to know.

Having said all the above I believe Shaan could still be included in our next assignment which is almost 8 months away since PCB works in mysterious, funny and :facepalm: worthy ways but going by what he has done this series and earlier the logical way would be to drop him and include another backup opener between Azam and Sami.

I know I know..........Wishful thinking, what am I even saying :69:
 
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This is farewell I guess.

Please focus on your education, you seem intelligent and articulate and are still young. If you love cricket, play at your local club with Bullet Drive but international cricket is way beyond your ability.
 
Newzealand dont even celebrate his wicket...they are surprised how he made it to the test team
 
This is farewell I guess.

Please focus on your education, you seem intelligent and articulate and are still young. If you love cricket, play at your local club with Bullet Drive but international cricket is way beyond your ability.

:))) Tere Khair
 
I feel for the spectators who visit the stadium to watch pakistan play when guys like taufeeq. ..shan and talha plays....
they are wrath on pakistan cricket
 
He wasn't selected on ability, after his plumb LBW Hafeez was telling him to bat with a straight bat, you guys really need to see his dismissal, his bat was 4 feet from his body.

But for all people still wondering how he was selected, his father (Mansoor Masood Khan) is CEO of UBL and is part of the Board of Governors for PCB:

http://www.pcb.com.pk/board-of-governors.html

His uncle (Ishaq Dar) is also Finance Minister for Pakistan.

This guy is the biggest sifarish after Junaid Zia. Players like Farhat at least showed potential and scored big in domestic (which arguably made it more frustrating because Ilyas used that for justifying).
 
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