Shane Bond vs Dale Steyn - Skillwise

[worldlife92]

The sample size of stats is less for Bond as he was injury-prone but still extremely skillful in the limited matches he played. Steyn had an illustrious career and is considered an ATG by many. Who is your pick?



SHANE BOND'S STATS

Format Format	M Matches	Inn Innings	B Balls Bowled	Mdn Maidens	Runs Runs Given	W Wickets	BB Best Bowling	Econ Economy Rate	Avg Average	SR Strike Rate	4W 4 Wicket Hauls	5W 5 Wicket Hauls
Test Test 2001–09	18	32	3372	113	1922	87	6/51	3.41	22.1	38.8	7	5
ODI ODI 2002–10	82	80	4295	88	3070	147	6/19	4.28	20.9	29.2	7	4
T20I T20I 2005–10	20	20	465	2	543	25	3/18	7.00	21.7	18.6	0	0

DALE STEYN'S STATS

Format Format	M Matches	Inn Innings	B Balls Bowled	Mdn Maidens	Runs Runs Given	W Wickets	BB Best Bowling	Econ Economy Rate	Avg Average	SR Strike Rate	4W 4 Wicket Hauls	5W 5 Wicket Hauls
Test Test 2004–19	93	171	18608	660	10077	439	7/51	3.24	22.9	42.4	27	26
ODI ODI 2005–19	125	124	6256	71	5087	196	6/39	4.87	25.9	31.9	4	3
T20I T20I 2007–20 2007–20	47 47	47 47	1015 1015	3 3	1175 1175	64 64	4/9 4/9	6.94 6.94	18.4 18.4	15.8 15.8	2 2	0 0
1st class 2003–19	141	254	27183	973	14569	618	8/41	3.22	23.6	44.0	33	35
List A 2004–19	180	177	8844	99	6991	284	6/39	4.74	24.6	31.1	5	6
T20 2007–21	228	225	1145	15	1357	263	4/9	6.85	19.4	16.4	2	0

 

[batandballbattle]

easily steyn, might have been a closer call had we seen more of bond

 

[kron]

The sample size of stats is less for Bond as he was injury-prone but still extremely skillful in the limited matches he played. Steyn had an illustrious career and is considered an ATG by many. Who is your pick?



SHANE BOND'S STATS

Format Format	M Matches	Inn Innings	B Balls Bowled	Mdn Maidens	Runs Runs Given	W Wickets	BB Best Bowling	Econ Economy Rate	Avg Average	SR Strike Rate	4W 4 Wicket Hauls	5W 5 Wicket Hauls
Test Test 2001–09	18	32	3372	113	1922	87	6/51	3.41	22.1	38.8	7	5
ODI ODI 2002–10	82	80	4295	88	3070	147	6/19	4.28	20.9	29.2	7	4
T20I T20I 2005–10	20	20	465	2	543	25	3/18	7.00	21.7	18.6	0	0

DALE STEYN'S STATS

Format Format	M Matches	Inn Innings	B Balls Bowled	Mdn Maidens	Runs Runs Given	W Wickets	BB Best Bowling	Econ Economy Rate	Avg Average	SR Strike Rate	4W 4 Wicket Hauls	5W 5 Wicket Hauls
Test Test 2004–19	93	171	18608	660	10077	439	7/51	3.24	22.9	42.4	27	26
ODI ODI 2005–19	125	124	6256	71	5087	196	6/39	4.87	25.9	31.9	4	3
T20I T20I 2007–20 2007–20	47 47	47 47	1015 1015	3 3	1175 1175	64 64	4/9 4/9	6.94 6.94	18.4 18.4	15.8 15.8	2 2	0 0
1st class 2003–19	141	254	27183	973	14569	618	8/41	3.22	23.6	44.0	33	35
List A 2004–19	180	177	8844	99	6991	284	6/39	4.74	24.6	31.1	5	6
T20 2007–21	228	225	1145	15	1357	263	4/9	6.85	19.4	16.4	2	0

Was a case of what could have been. Bond bowled 140 to 150 consistently at his peak. Dint last long enough.

If he was injury free, he could have been better than steyn in my opinion.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Shane Bond had a very short career but if he had played as many matches as Dale Steyn he would have broken all the bowling records by now.

 

[sweep_shot]

Bond was brilliant and probably could've surpassed Steyn.

Steyn obviously ended up being more successful.

 

[kron]

Bond was brilliant and probably could've surpassed Steyn.

Steyn obviously ended up being more successful.

I feel steyn is very overrated here. You csn check his record in away games. He is well below top tier greats.

I totally agree bond was truly special. Could have been mcgrath level player.

Steyn is good but I would put him in tier 2 along with Pollock, Donald, Anderson (who averages 20 btw in the last 10 years),

 

[Suleiman]

I feel steyn is very overrated here. You csn check his record in away games. He is well below top tier greats.

I totally agree bond was truly special. Could have been mcgrath level player.

Steyn is good but I would put him in tier 2 along with Pollock, Donald, Anderson (who averages 20 btw in the last 10 years),

Someone had to say it.

Steyn is vastly overrated on here, mainly by Indians who didn’t have fast a bowler to get behind till Shami / Bumrah made their mark. So they lived their fantasy of having a world class fast bowler through him till about 2015-16.

Anderson was underrated for the longest time here with people not even knowing his stats yet calling him Clouderson or whatever. Thankfully that myth has been erased.

 

[kron]

Someone had to say it.

Steyn is vastly overrated on here, mainly by Indians who didn’t have fast a bowler to get behind till Shami / Bumrah made their mark. So they lived their fantasy of having a world class fast bowler through him till about 2015-16.

Anderson was underrated for the longest time here with people not even knowing his stats yet calling him Clouderson or whatever. Thankfully that myth has been erased.

Lol they got behind steyn? Why ? Ha.
He had 2 good series vs india in India and one average one. He found reverse in the 2009 series so he gets overrated cause of that. But check his overall stats in Pakistan, Australia and England he has been pretty average.

I am not going to lie I used to underrate Anderson too and he was poor till about 2011 ish. Then something changed. Last 10 years he has been in scintillating form. Averages like 20 in the last 10 years. Uncanny ability to extract seam movement on any pitch. Only thing that hurts bis legacy is the poor outi f vs Aussies in Australia and in England although he did well in the away series they won down under around early 2010.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yes, Shane Bond was pretty skillfull and if he had a full fledged career, he would have been mentioned along the likes of Steyn, Imran, Anderson etc who were top tier.

The thing is that if he had a full fledged career, his home or away average might have hampered a bit too and then we would have looked to find gaps in his career too. Nevertheless, he was a pretty exciting player and an absolute thrill to watch.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Shane Bond had a career that was not long enough to make a comparison out of it. From what I have seen, Shane was quick and had more skill to be a great. Steyn was also a fabulous bowler. This comparison cannot do justice to anyone of them.

 

[kron]

Shane Bond had a career that was not long enough to make a comparison out of it. From what I have seen, Shane was quick and had more skill to be a great. Steyn was also a fabulous bowler. This comparison cannot do justice to anyone of them.

There was an interview where shoaib talks about him and he clearly stated in the video that bond was a different breed. He said he was far more skilled than himself. Surprising yes but he did say it. So that should tell us really that bond indeed was a truly special talent. Unfortunately destroyed by injuries.

 

[Swashbuckler]

What did Bond do outside home, especially in the subcontinent?

Steyn is the GOAT, having those stats in the most batting friendly period in the history of test cricket is amazing. He won test series in Eng, Aus, NZ, Pak, SL, drew 2 test series in Ind with amazing spells. Look at peer review, everyone rates Steyn as the GOAT.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Someone had to say it.

Steyn is vastly overrated on here, mainly by Indians who didn’t have fast a bowler to get behind till Shami / Bumrah made their mark. So they lived their fantasy of having a world class fast bowler through him till about 2015-16.

You think Steyn having match/series winning performances in Eng, Aus, Ind, Pak, NZ, SL has nothing to do with it?

Anderson was underrated for the longest time here with people not even knowing his stats yet calling him Clouderson or whatever. Thankfully that myth has been erased.

When Steyn and Anderson's career overlapped, bowling average difference was almost 10 runs per wicket. In that period Steyn had matchwinning performances on dead pitches of Aus, Ind, Pak. Anderson had nothing.

What happened in last 7-8 years is that pitches have become spicier across the world, more result oriented. Anderson has reaped benefits of playing on such pitches. Forget Anderson, look at Ishant Sharma, till 2015 Ishant had bowling average close to 40 but post 2015 his bowling average was in early 20s. He improved but by so much? Also every team had 3-4 50+ averaging batsmen in Steyn's time, reflecting flat nature of pitches worldwide. Since 2015, only 2-3 have such numbers and even Kohli, Root are below 50 now, don't tell me Samaraweera was a greater test batsman than Kohli, Root, Warner etc.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Shane Bond had a very short career but if he had played as many matches as Dale Steyn he would have broken all the bowling records by now.

Shane bond was the James bond of the NZ cricket.

 

[kingusama92]

Shane Bond was thrilling to watch. He was one of the great entertainers at his peak but seriously injury-prone. The guy made Akhtar's fitness issues look insignificant.

Great control of swing, menacing yorkers, and a devastating slower ball when he used it.

Definitely one of the most talented pacers the world has seen.

Having said all of this, I still rate Steyn higher. Steyn was a more intelligent bowler with better control and stamina. This is in Test cricket of course.

 

[kron]

You think Steyn having match/series winning performances in Eng, Aus, Ind, Pak, NZ, SL has nothing to do with it?

When Steyn and Anderson's career overlapped, bowling average difference was almost 10 runs per wicket. In that period Steyn had matchwinning performances on dead pitches of Aus, Ind, Pak. Anderson had nothing.

What happened in last 7-8 years is that pitches have become spicier across the world, more result oriented. Anderson has reaped benefits of playing on such pitches. Forget Anderson, look at Ishant Sharma, till 2015 Ishant had bowling average close to 40 but post 2015 his bowling average was in early 20s. He improved but by so much? Also every team had 3-4 50+ averaging batsmen in Steyn's time, reflecting flat nature of pitches worldwide. Since 2015, only 2-3 have such numbers and even Kohli, Root are below 50 now, don't tell me Samaraweera was a greater test batsman than Kohli, Root, Warner etc.

Anderson took wickets even on dead wickets post 2010

 

[Cricket Warrior]

for white ball cricket i will pick Shane Bond and for Red ball i will go with Dale Steyn

 

[Itachi]

Anderson took wickets even on dead wickets post 2010

Check again.

The so called "underrated" is an actual reflection. Some people have started to overrate him.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I feel steyn is very overrated here. You csn check his record in away games. He is well below top tier greats.

I totally agree bond was truly special. Could have been mcgrath level player.

Steyn is good but I would put him in tier 2 along with Pollock, Donald, Anderson (who averages 20 btw in the last 10 years),

Who averages 20 in last 10 year?
Please post proper stats with facts here along with away average also.

 

[160KPH]

Both were extremely skilled but Shane Bond’s career was cut so short by injury that there’s no comparison.

Steyn is one of the GOAT bowlers. He bowled in one of the worst eras for fast bowlers with some of the flattest pitches we have ever seen. Despite this, he performed incredibly almost everywhere including some stunning spells in India. I believe he still has the second highest SR, only behind Rabada who plays in an era which is much much more bowling friendly in Test.

 

[giri26]

Steyn in Tests by a huge margin. Shane Bond's Test career was too short for comparison. In ODI's though Bond was brilliant and he takes it for me. Overall it is Steyn as he was good ODI bowler and a ATG Test bowler.

 

[ElRaja]

cant comment on bond as a test bowler, sample size too small. steyn on the other hand was an ATG, its amusing people trying to downplay him on this forum, dude was the premier fast bowler in an era which was batsman dominant, he was head and shoulders clear of every other test pacer for nearly ten years. some of the people commenting here are truly delulu.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Boind unfortunately had to leave the cricket arena too soon due to his injury but I will pick Dale Steyn over him in red ball format. Shane might have excelled steyn in the odis but the red ball format is a different game and Dale definitely makes SHane look ordinary. Not that Shane played similar matches to Steyn so there is no comparison.

 

[volcyz]

Watch highlights of Shane Bond in thr 2001 VB series and the 2003 World Cup.

Basically one man threat that ended Mark and Steve Waughs ODI careers

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Watch highlights of Shane Bond in thr 2001 VB series and the 2003 World Cup.

Basically one man threat that ended Mark and Steve Waughs ODI careers

Its too big a statement to make.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Bond had a short career due to injuries otherwise he could have been an even bigger thing compared to Steyn or any other bowler.

 

[Human786]

Steyn - you cannot compare a small burst with a long term explosion

 

[Cover Drive Six]

No comparison. Steyn is GOAT material. He is very skilled, can swing both ways, and has everything in his arsenal.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Lol, some people are ridiculous. Steyn is the GOAT along with Mcgrath, Marshall and Hadlee